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In this episode of pop Culture Weekly, It's all about
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Spider Neir. I speak with Nicholas Cage and Brendan Gleeson.
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Let's go.
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Welcome to pop Culture Weekly with Kyle McMahon from iHeartRadio
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your pop culture news, views, reviews and celebrity interviews on
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all the movies, TV music and pop culture UKRABE Weekly.
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Here's Kyle McMahon.
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Nick no Net, Hello, and welcome to pop Culture Weekly
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with Kyle McMahon. I of course am Kyle McMahon. And
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this is the show where sometimes your friendly neighborhood Spider
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Man is less friendly neighborhood and more emotionally exhausted detective
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smoking in an alley while jazz music plays in the background.
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And to be honest, I'm into it. Today's episode, Degenerates
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is all about Spider Noir, the brand new prime video
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series that brings one of Marvel's coolest alternate Universe Spider
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Verse characters into live action. And if you're a longtime
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comic fan, you already know people have been wanting this
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for years.
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I have so a little history.
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Spider Noir first appeared back in two thousand and nine
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as part of Marvel Noir which was like a special
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series which reimagine classic Marvel heroes and like darker, grittier
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worlds inspired by pulp crime fiction and you know, old
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school detective stories from the thirties and forties. So instead
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of like bright colors and Spandex and Avengers level spectacle,
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Spider Noir's world is all shadows and corruption and danger
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and morally ambiguous characters. I think, like Spider Man by
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way of old detective movies and classic film noir.
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This version of Spider Man exists.
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In an alternate timeline where New York is crawling with
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gangsters and crooked politicians and crime bosses rather than like
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giant alien invasions every other Tuesday.
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And visually the character is just so dope.
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That trench coat, the fedora, the black mask with the
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white glowing eyes. The whole esthetic of Spider Noir looks
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like somebody threw Spider Man into a rain soaked detective
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movie and was like, you know, good luck out there, buddy,
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and Spider Noir got a huge popularity boost in Spider
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Man into the Spider Verse, where Nicholas Cage voiced the
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character with this kind of like dramatic old Hollywood style
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seriousness that made everybody, including me, like instantly obsessed. He
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literally legit was delivering lines about Rubik's cubes and the
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wind and Nazis like he was starring in the most
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important movie ever made, and it was completely amazing. And
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now we finally get a full live action series on
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Prime Video with Nicholas Cage stepping into the role physically
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this time around, and it's like one of those projects
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that should exist, Like, I'm so glad it's finally here.
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Superhero fatigue has arguably become a real thing lately because
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so much of that genre, you know, has become a
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little bit identical. But Spider Noir has a very distinct identity.
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It's very stylish, it's very stylized, it's very atmospheric. It's
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less like save the multiverse everybody, and more solve the
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murder before you know the city eats itself alive crime bosses,
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which is a very cool vibe. And the series, the
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Spider Noir series on Prime Video is so awesome. I
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love stylized work. You know The Great Gatsby with Leonardo DiCaprio,
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three hundred, you know Sin City. I love that kind
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of stylized thing. And Spider Noir delivers it in droves.
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The cast is really great. Oh and what's cool. You
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can watch it in black and white like a real
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you know, noir project, or in true hue ful color.
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Now.
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I watched it in black and white, which they call
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authentic black and white, and I really feel that this
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series should be watched in authentic black and white. It
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was filmed to be watched in black and white, you know,
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it was filmed as a project specifically for black and whit.
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So like that's where it really really shines. The true hue,
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full color version is there for you. You know, if
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for some reason you're like I can't watch black and white,
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you know you have that option. But take it from me, degenerates,
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I watch it in authentic black and white, and I
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think that's the way to go. But you do you
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and let me know, you know, if you feel differently.
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Today we are talking to two absolute legends that star
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in prime videos Spider Noir, Nicholas Cage and Brendan Gleeson.
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So first up, Brendan Gleeson joins the Spider Verse as
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Silver Main. And if you know Brendan Gleeson's work, whether
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it's in Bruges or honestly fifty other incredible performances. You know,
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this man brings gravitas to everything he does. And then
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later I talk with Nicholas Cage himself about becoming Spider
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Man in Spider Noir live action, why the character resonates
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with fans and so much more so you ready, let's
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get into it. Brendan Gleeson is one of those actors
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who somehow makes every project instantly more interesting the moment
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he appears on screen. You know him from his Oscar
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nominated performance in The Banshees of Insurance, his unforgettable role
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as mad Eye Moody in the Harry Potter films. You
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know him a huge potterhead, his terrifying turn in Twenty
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eight Days Later, and brilliant performances in films like in Bruges,
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Gangs of New York and Brave Heart. Brennan could be terrifying, hilarious,
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heartbreaking and intimidating, depending on what the role and scene
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calls for. And now he is entering the Spider verse
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as Silver Maine, which is like one of the iconic
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crime figures connected to the Spider Man.
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We talked all about it and here It is my
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conversation with Brendan Gleason. Hey, Kyla, you know good, thank you,
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so congrats on the series. I really love it, and
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you know, I wonder you have played everything from hardened
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criminals to you know, deeply emotional, complex, dramatic characters.
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There's something really fun.
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For me to see you, you know, in this world,
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this dark noir comic book world.
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What drew you to Spider Noir.
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Just that the world, the whole world of it, and
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the possibility to go into a kind of an earlier
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mode of movie making, learning what you loved from it,
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getting to have a go at all that stuff, and
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at the same time being involved in something that was
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so technologically advanced that you could kind of do it
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and do it different respect of on it, that you
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could show the color version of it, and that you
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can have guys swinging around between buildings, and you can
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do all the special effects that are possible at cinematically
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these days.
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So there was that, and then the writing of it was.
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Really sharp, and working with Nick Cage was a huge
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drug because I wanted to work with him, you know,
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I just love his I love everything about the way
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he approaches the work.
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And all that stuff.
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So there were so many things honestly drawn me into it,
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and it was kind of one of those things that
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worked out pretty much the way I was hoping it would.
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That's awesome.
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Yeah, your character is such a classic Spider Man, you
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know character, this version obviously is much more grounded and
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noir inspired.
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How did you approach how did you approach building him
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for this particular universe?
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If you will, Well, I have to be honest with you.
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I didn't really refer back to the original character very
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much because it's he came as a kind of an
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you know, match with Italian mob boss type of guy
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was the way he was written, and I wanted to
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kind of move away from that if possible. And I
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had a chat early on at the process before we
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decided whether this was a good idea or not, with
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Orn and Steve and the guys to say, look, I
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you know, my Italian is questionable.
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How would you feel about it?
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Because there were a lot of Irish mob bosses around
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that time that we go this guy.
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We have a new iteration.
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Of a new basically that we start from scratch almost,
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a lot of the people, the officionados might be a
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bit disappointed.
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I didn't feel there was any point in going back
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into something because he had arrived at such a different
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kind of a character, you.
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Know what I mean.
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Yeah, And also the fact that nore itself really is
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just such a different challenge, and the fact that it
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was grounded and he wanted to he wanted to be
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real in a way that was kind of very earthy,
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so underground him and stuff that I could access myself,
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you know.
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I made him into a Dublin gangster.
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We kind of gave him a backstory from extreme powerty,
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which was true of Dublin at the turn of the
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century and all that, and sort of gave it a
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little bit of veracity that you kind of dig into
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that was kind of instinctive for me rather than learned. Okay,
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So that's that's to be honest, That's that's what's kind
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of the decision.
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Sometimes I felt I should have gone full Edward g
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Robinson on this. I should have kind of you know,
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I would have loved to really buy I just think
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he's I kept thinking I couldn't get his him out
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of my head. And at times even in the shooting,
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I say, I wonder if I should have been that
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kind of you know, classic American gangster, and I kind
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of thought maybe no, because like Nick was doing a
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lot of that stuff in terms of his his his
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stuff that he was doing. It was he was kind
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of buying into all that Cagny stuff and whatever whoever
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he was accessing. It was just and I said, well,
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maybe it's no harm to have a little bit of
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a different thing thrown in mixed there.
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I can't wait for everybody to see Spider Noir so
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I can freaking talk about it to people.
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Thank you, Brendan, Thanks a lot, Thanks, thanks a lot.
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Have a great day you too.
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Brendan Gleason. Seriously, what a phenomenal actor. And I love
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hearing him talk about Spider Noir, like it's such a
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cool role, it's such cool projects, such a cool you
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know everything about it. I just freaking love So it
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was cool to hear him talk about that. And in
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a superhero landscape where everybody's trying to top the end
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of the Universe every year, it's kind of refreshing that,
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you know, Spider Noir just kind of lives here. All right,
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We're gonna take a quick break to pay the bills.
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But when we come back, Nicholas Cage joins me to
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talk Spider Noir, stepping into live action with this character,
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and so much more.
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Don't Go Anywhere, be back in.
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Sixty Welcome back to Pop Culture Weekly. Thank you for
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supporting our sponsors who allow us to bring the show
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to you each and every week. All right, let's talk
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Nicholas Cage. Like what else could be said about Nicholas
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Cage at this point? He is his own genre. Whether
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you know him from Leaving Las Vegas, Mandy Face Off,
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Long Legs, or like nine thousand other wildly different performances.
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Nicholas Cage is one of the most fascinating actors working
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today because you really don't know which version of Nicholas
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Cage you're about to get. The man can do action, horror, comedy,
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prestige's drama, surrealism, full chaos, gremlin energy, sometimes all in
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the same movie. He's an Academy Award winner, and he's
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a national treasure literally and figuratively, and Spider Noir feels
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perfect for him. Fans loved his performance and into the
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Spider Verse because he fully committed to the old school
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noir detective energy in a way that only Nicholas Kate could,
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and now he is bringing that same energy into the
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live action version. Here he is the one and only
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Nicholas Cage.
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Thank you so much, Nick for joining me.
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I really appreciate it.
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Thanks Kyle, thanks for having.
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Me, of course. So first of all, congratulations on the series.
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I absolutely love it, and I you know, you have
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played so many iconic, kind of larger than life characters
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throughout your career, but I feel like there's something especially
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perfect about you stepping into this kind of dark, pulpy
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Spider Man universe. What was the thing about Spider Noir
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that I hooked you into this?
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can tell you that this is one of the rare
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times when a vision I had in my imagination manifested
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exactly as I had hoped it would, And it doesn't
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happen often, and I wasn't entirely sure it was going
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to get there until I finally saw all eight episodes
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and I went but it was scary. I had this concept,
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you know, I like to take from other art forms,
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whether it's music or painting, I get an idea or
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a feeling, or an aura or an essence. And I
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had done that with Warhol, and while at heart what
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he would do with these icons like Elvis and with Liechtenstein,
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Roy Liechtenstein specifically, I was always interested in how he
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had the guts to take the comic book style, the
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graphics of the comic and ansmographied into a kind of
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pop up fine art expression down to the little printing
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press pointillism. And I thought, well, what would that be like?
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As an actor? What can I do where I can
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have a genuine emotional performance but then coalesce it with
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or collide it with old style film acting like a
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Howard Hawk's Big Sleep style, any of these actors that
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I like so much growing up, Bogart, Orcagney or Edward G. Robinson,
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and mash it with Stanley's masterpiece Spider Man. And what
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would that create? The hope was that it would create
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that kind of Liechtenstein electricity that would be unlike anything
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anyone would have thought about, you know before. And I
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wanted to do something brand new, and I knew it
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was not without risk. But it was worth it. It
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was it was worth going in and just and and
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everybody was on board, which is amazing. You know that
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they had the guts and the trust and and the
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love to to allow me to to to find this
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fantasy of what could be done, especially with television.
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Yeah, I love that, and I think it's been executed perfectly.
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So kudos to you and the team for that. You
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first voiced, you know, this version of the character in
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into the Spider Verse, which obviously myself and fans absolutely loved.
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What was the challenge, if any, for you to kind
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of you know, you're taking this character that was animated and.
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Then living fully in this real life world. Was there
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a challenge? There is?
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There were many challenges and and one of the challenges
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it was, I don't want to wear out my welcome.
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I'm doing this. I'm gonna take that manner of speaking
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and that fast paced, kind of old world style of acting,
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and I'm going to do it for eight episodes. And
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then how do you make that real? When you're playing
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a character that's as indos idiosyncratic as Ben Riley, you
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also have the challenge of having genuine emotion and drama
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and comedy, you know, informing it, informing the style. This
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is an extremely stylized performance to fit in the black
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and white format. I like watching it in black and
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white because I designed my performance to look like, hopefully,
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transport you to that New York and another dimension black
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and white style from the thirties. And I had a
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great director of photography really lit it that way, and
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great wardrobe with Tracy. Everybody was on board with this
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idea of transporting you to another old world dimension. So
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the challenges were, how do you make that communicate authentically
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and emotionally m m.
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And if you could, you know, fun for a moment,
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if you could pull any one Nicholas Cage character from
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any of the you know, films and universes that you've
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done into Spider Man, into Spider Noir's you know world
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as his maybe chaotic sidekicker or whatever. Who would you
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be choosing for that?
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That's a remarkable question.
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I love it.
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I you know me, I'm always gonna go for the counterpoint, right,
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I'm gonna go try. We call it the egg and
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the crutch, two things that don't go together, but you'd
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love to see what would happen. I'm gonna go with
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the Donald Kaufman from adaptation Charlie Kaufman's younger brother or
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twin brother. He's acting like the younger brother. I want
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to see Donald Kaufman and Ben Riley in a scene together.
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I'm at it.
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Yeah, that's that's amazing. Thank you, sir.
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I'm so excited for everybody to see Spider Noir.
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It is so great. Thank you for talking with me,
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Thanks for having me. Have a great day, you too,
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Nicholas Cage.
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Honestly, Spider Noir is like one of those perfect creative
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matches where the actor and the character collide in the perfect, perfect,
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perfect way.
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Like it is perfect casting for Nicholas as Spider Noir.
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It is perfect casting for Brendan Gleeson as Silver Maid.
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It really is such an awesome, fresh, different show that
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I just I love. I really really do love it,
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and I can't wait to see more from the series. Hopefully,
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you know, hopefully there's more tales to tell here. Huge
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thanks to Nicholas Cage and Brendan Gleeson for joining me
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rainy window and a fedora talking about justice and to
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be honest, good for him. I'll see you next time.
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