May 6, 2026

David Oyelowo on Newborn, Aaron Eckhart on Deep Water & Madonna’s Huge Return

David Oyelowo on Newborn, Aaron Eckhart on Deep Water & Madonna’s Huge Return
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This week on Pop Culture Weekly with Kyle McMahon, we are diving deep into storytelling, humanity, survival and Madonna continuing to remind everyone she’s Madonna.

First, I talk with Oscar-nominated actor David Oyelowo about his powerful new film Newborn, the emotional reality of isolation and solitary confinement, why Selma somehow became even more relevant with time and why he intentionally chooses roles that scare him creatively. We also talk streaming, global storytelling and the responsibility art has to reflect the world around us.

Then Aaron Eckhart joins me to discuss his intense new film Deep Water, why every great movie is really about relationships, the psychology of human behavior and what makes acting feel truly real. Honestly, this conversation got way more philosophical than I expected - in the best possible way.

PLUS:
The lineup for the 2026 National Memorial Day Concert, Madonna and Sabrina Carpenter at Coachella, “Bring Your Love” dominating globally, Confessions 2 officially launching us into another Madonna era, and why trying to keep up with her at this point should probably qualify as cardio.

It’s smart, funny, emotional, existentially chaotic pop culture therapy. So basically… a normal week around here.


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In this episode of pop Culture Weekly, I talk with

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Oscar nominated actor David Oya Wello and Aaron Eckhart.

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Let's go.

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Welcome to pop Culture Weekly with Kyle McMahon from iHeartRadio

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your pop culture news, views, reviews, and celebrity interviews on

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all the movies, TV, music, and pop culture u Crab Weekly.

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Here's Kyle McMahon.

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Net No No, No, No.

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Hello, and welcome to pop Culture Weekly with Kyle McMahon,

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the show where we celebrate pop culture, question our life choices,

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and try to keep up with Madonna, which, honestly, at

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this point it's a full time job. In this episode,

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we've got a lot to talk about. We've got two

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incredible interviews David oh Y Looo and Aaron Eckhart, and

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they're talking about their brand new films. But first let's

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talk about Madonna, because she's not just back, she's literally dominating.

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As she tends to do. She's the top selling female

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artist in history. Her brand new track bring Your Love,

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which is the official first single off of her upcoming

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album Confessions two, which comes out July third. That track

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has already debuted at number one in forty eight countries

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on iTunes.

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Forty eight and it's been out like two.

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Days as of this recording, and on Spotify nearly two

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and a half million streams on day one. That's not

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like just Madonna releasing her latest track. It's a takeover,

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which is Madonna releasing her latest track. And because she's Madonna,

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she had popped up last week at Coachella with Sabrina Carpenter.

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They performed Vogue Like a Prayer and the new track,

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the new single, bring Your Love Together, And that night,

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after the Coachella performance, her buzz track I Feel So

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Free started building crazy momentum as the first look at

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Confessions two, which is a kind of spiritual sequel to

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Confessions on a Dance Floor, which of course was a

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huge culture defining moment in pop culture that came out

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twenty years ago two thousand and five, so a little

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over twenty years ago. And of course, you know, Hung

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Up went to number one in forty six countries. Confessions

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it sold has sold nearly twenty million albums. I mean,

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you know everybody was doing Time Goes By and the

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dance and you know that sample. Anyway, every little thing

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now that stuck in my head. So anyway, yeah, we

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are officially in a Madonna era again, and pop music

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feels a little more alive because of it. So anyway,

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go stream Bring Your Love with Sabrina Madonna and Sabrina

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Carpenter such a good nineties house esque song, and I

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think she makes it clear with I Feel So Free

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and Bring Your Love that this isn't just a rehash

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of Confessions on a dance floor.

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Madonna doesn't do that. It's, you know, a spiritual sequel,

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a sister album, if you will.

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So anyway, before like we get into everything, I gotta

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say the National Memorial Day Concert, you know, that's on

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PBS each year and I'm there every year covering it.

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They have announced the lineup for the twenty twenty six

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concert and.

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It is absolutely incredible.

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As always, Gary Sinise and Joe Montagna returned to host,

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and then they'll have performances with Noah Wiley, Melissa Leo,

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Andy Grammer, Jonathan Banks, Mickey Geiton, Amy Johnson, Alan Jackson,

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Mary McCormick, Lara Osnez, Blessing Offer, and as always, the

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Maestro Jack Everley, who will be conducting the National Symphony Orchestra.

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This will air live on PBS May twenty fourth. It's

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a Sunday at eight pm Eastern on PBS, streaming on

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PBS's YouTube and socials as well. So it's always one

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of those annual specials that like has me in tears.

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You know, it really is truly a beautiful, touching tribute

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to the brave men and women that you know put

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their lives on the line for us, and so many

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of their stories are untold and what National Memorial Day

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Concert does is tells those stories.

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So lock it right here.

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I'll have full coverage as always, and be sure to

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tune in Sunday, May twenty fourth for the National Memorial

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Day Concert.

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All right, we have got two amazing interviews.

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First up is David Oloo, an Academy Award nominated actor

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whose career is built on powerful, layered performances and he's

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someone who consistently brings depth and humanity to like everything

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he touches. And I happened to co star with him

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in a little Oscar nominated film called Selma, And by

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co star, I mean I had one line that was then.

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Cut, but you know, co star, and.

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David is talking about his brand new film Newborn, and

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then later Aaron Eckhart joins us to talk about his

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new film deep Water, and trust me, there's a lot

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going on beneath the surface of this one. There's a

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lot going on beneath the surface of this one. Get

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it anyway? Before we dive in, just a quick heads up.

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you ready, Let's get into it. David oh Yloo.

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Is one of those actors who doesn't just play characters.

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He like fully inhabits them, from powerful historical figures to

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deeply human complex roles. His performances all ways feel intentional

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and they always feel grounded. And his new film, Newborn,

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he's diving into something that feels very raw and very intimate.

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It's the kind of story that explores identity, responsibility, community

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and the responsibilities of the community for you know, our own,

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and what it really means to step into a new

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chapter of life. So in this conversation, we zoom out

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talking about his journey so far, you know, in his career,

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his philosophy on storytelling, and what continues to drive him

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creatively he always chooses such incredible roles, and then we

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zoom in on Newborn, what drew him to it, what

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made it resonate with him, and why this role stands

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out and is already incredible.

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Body of work. Here he is, David, oh Yellow, how

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are you?

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Thank you?

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Nice to see it, Nice to see you.

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So, first of all, thank you for talking with me.

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I really appreciate it.

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My pleasure.

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So a funny story, and you probably won't remember this,

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but I was on a series of Oprah's Life class

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shows and she completely changed my life. And miss A

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Yanla was on there as well, And anyway, she got

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me a gig with Huffington Post doing on her own section,

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doing like self improvement for millennials. And then I got

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this small part in Selma and so I went down, Yeah,

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I went down to Atlanta and filmed for a couple

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of days and I was supposed to be this like

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senator and that in the scene, and you know, and

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they had me with this other thing.

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I guess you were walking.

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it was outside of like the courthouse or wherever we were,

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and you kept having to walk and kept having to walk,

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and they had me as an extra like walking by

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you or something and lighted right into you.

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And I was mortified. I'm like, oh my god.

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And I said to Ava, you know, later, I was like,

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you know, this is my big debut as a you know,

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as an extra in this film, and you know, I've

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like collided with the star.

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Like oh my god.

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But anyway, it was it was such a cool experience.

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I'd obviously never done anything like that before. And then

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they had asked me to go to Selma, you know,

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when filming moved to Selma, and unfortunately with my schedule,

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I couldn't do it. But it was just such a

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cool and of all the movies in the world to

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be able to be, you know, this tiny part of

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that was so awesome, and and congratulations to you and

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all all of its success and and really what it said,

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you know.

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Thank you, my goodness, thank you so much. Well, how

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you feel about it is how I felt and continue

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to feel about it, which is how did I get

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to be involved with with this amazing thing myself?

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And I hope that when we when we collided with

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each other, I was kind to you.

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Yeah, I wasn't dismissive or anything.

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Well we all have those moments, but yeah, I mean,

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what a seminal moment in my life and in my career.

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And as you say what the film went on to say,

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and you know, at that point, Mike Brown hadn't been murdered.

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We didn't have all of that stuff happening. We didn't

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have what went on to happen with the resurgence of

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the Black Lives Matter movement. We didn't have all of

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the division that the country has gone into. We didn't

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have the degree to which the Voting Rights Act has

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been attacked.

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We didn't realize we were making something that was going

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to feel so contempt perraneous with what the country is

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going through and was about to go through. And I

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do think that is storytelling at its zenith, when it

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can continue to shine a light and hold a mirror

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to society, because unfortunately for us as humanity, we keep

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on making the same mistakes, which is why I think

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story is so important and impactful.

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I love that.

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And you know, and I think to your point, art

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as a whole, you know, mirrors often what we go

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through as a people, and good art does that even

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you know, even more succinctly, I guess you could say,

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and I think as storytellers, you know, people in the arts,

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it is often I feel they feel a responsibility as

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well to kind of, you know, to put that into

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the world. That's why I always laugh when I hear,

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you know, critics or whatever say you know, you're you're

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an artist just sing or whatever, and it's like, have

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you listened to art since the beginning of time or

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looked at art since the beginning of time? It has

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always reflected, you know, what's going on in the world. So,

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you know, I love that. As storytellers we are you know,

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storytellers are able to do that. So h And speaking

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of Selma, you know you've gone from Selma to massive

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studio films intimate dramas. Do you approach each role differently

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from the standpoint of being David as an actor or

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do you kind of have you know, a setup, if

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you will, or a template of how you're going to

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approach each role.

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I think you simply must treat each role on its

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own merit and what it requires. It's a little bit

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like making the mistake, or if you have a few kids,

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treating them all the same way. They all have personalities,

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they different needs, they all have different quirks, they all

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have different gifts that are to be accentuated and weaknesses

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that are to be bolstered. And so that's very much

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the case with the roles I get to players. You

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can imagine playing doctor King is a very specific thing

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in terms of historical figure, that time, that period, the

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size of the film, to a film like Newborn, which

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you know, in terms of the specificity of what that

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character is dealing with. Sometimes I feel the need to

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stay in character the whole time. Sometimes that's not what's required.

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more of an ensemble situation whereby you want to have

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real tentacles to the other performers and really be bouncing

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off their energy. So, you know, I think you need

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to be alive to what every character requires, every director requires,

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every cast requires. And you know, my privileged time in

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the theater is has really taught me that because every

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play requires a different muscle to be flexed. If you're

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doing Shakespeare, that's one thing. If you're doing a one

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man show, that's a different thing. If you're doing a musical,

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that's a different thing. You know, So being able to

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have that malleability is key.

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I love that and I can't wait to get into

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Newborn with you. But if I may ask you a

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few questions, zoomed out for a moment. You have portrayed

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fictional people, you have portrayed real life figures. What do

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you feel as an actor is or do you feel

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as an actor there's one harder to get right or

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one more complicated to.

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Attack, if you will.

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In terms of characters, yes, I think there's a lot

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of hazard around historical figures, obviously, because people have their

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own preconceptions about who they were or are and depending

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on what these people did.

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That either people who are greatly.

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Admired or loathed, and so that's always tricky. You have

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to make peace with the fact that you're never going

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to please everyone, but if you can please some, that's

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job done in a sense. So that that has its

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own very specific hazards. But you know, whether there's an

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action movie or a comedy, or they all have their

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thing that is gonna be the the hill to climb,

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so to speak. But I would say there is a

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very specific challenge that comes with roles like historical figures

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or famous characters. You know, I've just played long John

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Silver in a limited series of Treasure Island, and that,

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of course is an iconic character with the parrot, with.

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The peg leg, with that story, it's it's a pirate story.

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So that genre is beloved, so you know, you walk

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into a different kind of buzz saw with that. I

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welcome and relish those challenges, but you just have to

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accept that again. You know, people are going to come

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with their varied opinions to those projects.

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And are you is David, you know, because I'm sure

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this is a very individual, you know, situation, But are

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you able to kind of separate that noise because it

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seems like you're in a very good place, you know,

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to be able to say, like, I know, I'm not

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going to be able to please everybody all the time.

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Are you able to separate that as you're going into

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a role, like, Okay, this is going to be controversial

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or okay, this is going to be you know whatever,

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and kind of block that out as you're performing.

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I've gotten better at it out of necessity, you know.

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I played Henry the six of the Royal Shakespeare Company

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and played the King of England, and as you can imagine,

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there were people who took Cambridge with that, you know,

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being black and British as opposed to African American playing

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doctor King. There are folks who have things to say

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about that.

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I think I'm the first black person to play long

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John Silver. I'm sure there'll be people who need to

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say about that. I can't control the noise, you know.

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All I can control is the credibility of my performance

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and the work I put into it. I don't take

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roles that I don't think there is a legitimate reason

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for me to either take it in terms of the

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challenge it poses to me or whether I feel like

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I can bring something to that role that hopefully is additive.

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So once I've made that choice.

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I have to just stick by the fact that my

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work ethic and how successfully I achieve the role is

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literally all I can do. You just have to sort

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of walk away from the rest. I'm a human being,

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I'm sensitive, I have an ego. So if I become

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aware of a high level of criticism, of course, you

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know it, it puts a dent in your day. But

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at the end of the day, I've become better and

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better at just, you know, controlling the things I can

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and letting the go of the things I come.

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It's a great philosophy. You have been your body.

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Of work, you know, so far it's screen and stage,

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and and you've done such varied work.

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Do you think that audiences today are more open to

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different kinds of story storytelling?

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One of the things I love about Newborn, which congratulations

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by the way, it's an amazing film, is it is,

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in my opinion, visually bold, you know. And I love

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that because a different director, a different team, you know,

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could have approached that story in a different way, and

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I think it just complements the story so, well, do

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you think audiences today are open to more different kinds

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of you know, storytelling than they were maybe when you started.

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Absolutely I do, and.

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I would attribute that to streaming and the fact that

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you know, it used to be that something like Squid

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Game would be a foreign TV show or Lupin would

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be a foreign TV show. But when it has the

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level of success it has in English speaking countries, that

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just shows you that we are way more connected than

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we are divided when it comes to storytelling. And in

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the past, especially the studio system would have us believe

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that a foreign film is niche despite it coming from

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as popular as a country as India or China or

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countries within Africa. But now that streaming has sort of

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removed the geo fencing that has sort of been placed

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there in the past. You see that my kids speak Japanese, Korean,

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and French because of the shows they like to watch,

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whether it be anime or k pop or you know,

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or just the fact that you know, they did go

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to a French school, but they they are truly global

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in their mindset.

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That was not my upbringing. That was not the norm

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when I was growing up.

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I mean, we literally went to Japan recently and my

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kids were ordering food in Japanese. I couldn't get my

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head around it, and I was like, and during the pandemic,

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because they were watching so much anime, they said, well,

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we want to learn Japanese. My wife and I were like, oh, okay, fine,

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but that I guess. That's my point is that absolutely

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the diversification of interests when it comes to the audience

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is so present, and so that means you can be

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bolder with your filmmaking because yes, you're not going to

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please everyone, but you're going to please when when storytelling

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becomes more good, You're going to please enough that will

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gravitate towards what you do that will hopefully lead to

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the kind of remuneration that means there is a degree

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of success that you might not have had if your

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film only came out in America or only came out

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in the UK. Now you know, Newborn, after its theatrical run,

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will be available globally, and that is definitely something that

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was not the case for this kind of movie.

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When I first started.

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What was it about Newborn that you know you were like,

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I need to I need to do this.

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I wasn't aware of how commonplace solitary confinement was in America.

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I did not know that over eighty thousand men, women

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and children are in solitary confinement today in America.

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And when you.

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Think about the fact that that is twenty three hours

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a day in solitary, sometimes for years at a time.

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You know, I shadowed a guy called Richard Rosario who

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was wrongfully convicted of a crime commit for twenty years.

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Seven of those were spent in solitary confinement, and you

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know he has now had to deal with the fallout

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of that ten years out of prison, awarded five million

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dollars in compensation, but still dealing every day with the

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fallout of that with his wife and kids.

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I spoke to a guy who was.

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In his late teens but had been in solitary confinement

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for a year and a half at the age of fourteen.

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Like one of my kids is fourteen, I couldn't even

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begin to imagine what that must feel like.

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So shining a light on that was one of the

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things I was keen to do.

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But also as a father, as a husband, as a brother,

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all relationships that play out for Chris Newborn in the film,

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I could relate to that. I could relate the desire

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to reconnect with those things having been subjected to solitary confinement,

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and so I felt, if I can relate to it,

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hopefully an audience can relate to it. And I truly

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believe that stories at their best are relatable despite the

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fact that your protagonist might be going through something extraordinary.

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And so the connectivity to the audience and awareness of

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soltry confinement with the two components that I was interested in.

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Was there something?

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Was there something not obvious to you as you were

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you know, once you read the script and then you

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went and you know, you're portraying newborn. Was there something

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that wasn't obvious when you were reading it that became

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obvious for you once you're in production, Something that was

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almost like an aha that you hadn't seen on the page,

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but as you brought him to life on screen, was

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like Wow.

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I think when you think of solitary confinement or isolation,

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for me anyway, I thought of that primarily as a

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as something physical. I thought more literal, I mean a

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tend by a sell that physical restraint is what I

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initially initially was preoccupied by. What was surprising to me

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is just how much you crawl into your own mind

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and how much you exist there because think about it,

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ten by eight cel lights on all the time, isolation,

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no human interaction.

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The only place to go that is expansive is your mind.

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And if you're in your mind for long enough without

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any human interaction, it becomes a very confusing, blurred, magnified,

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paranoid place. And that's what I couldn't have anticipated is

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just how vaster topography the mind can be when you're

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subjected to that kind of isolation. And when I spoke

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to Richard Rosario or Shaka Senkoor, who wrote a book

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called Wrighting My Wrongs, who had also been incarcerated for

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nineteen years in his case, on and off in sology

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for seven years again, or a book by a guy

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called Albert Woodfox who had endured over forty years in

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solog you can only imagine how how complex a place

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the mind is. And that's why ours is a psychological thriller,

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because so much of it is about the complexity of

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the mind in relation to isolation.

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And it, you know, I do think it has portrayed

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that beautifully because it seems like, you know, on the page,

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it would be a hard concept to kind of get

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across on screen, but it was done expertly and that's

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you know, I love that about it. Of course, what

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do you hope that someone leaving the theater feels about

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the film? What do you hope they take from it?

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Well, I've had the privilege now of watching the film

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with a big audience, and you never know what the

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effective film is going to have until you're literally in

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that circumstance. And what I've been taken with this is

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how moved people are by the film, because ultimately it's

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a love story. It's about a man trying to reconnect

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with his family, primarily his wife and son. And what

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I am finding is that it's more relatable than I realized.

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You know, you think about solitary confinement and isolation, and

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thankfully for a lot of people, for most people, that

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is not something they're going to be able to relate to,

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but they will I imagine being able to relate to the

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desire for connection trying to recover from isolation, because no

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matter who you are, we have moments where we are lonely,

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where we are dealing with feelings of isolation, whether it's

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being misunderstood or literally isolated. Or still coming out of

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the effects of the pandemic, whatever it may be. That

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is a relatable circumstance. And you know, Richard Rosario reconnected

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with his family and his kids after the fact and

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he said love saved him. And essentially that's the core

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theme of our film. And you know what I hope

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is that that is what people are going to walk

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away with.

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I love that.

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And finally, where, you know, looking back from your first

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project to now Newborn, where does this fit in for

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for you as an actor? You know, in your kind

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of legacy thus far, if you will.

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Well, it's another opportunity to scare myself. You know, when

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I read the script, I thought, well, I don't know

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that I will be able to achieve this. I always,

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unfortunately for me, gravitate towards those almost masochistically opportunities.

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You know.

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But I always try to find projects that simultaneously entertain

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but also enlighten, and I.

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Feel this does that.

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00:28:26.720 --> 00:28:30.200
So that's part of the continuum of what I try

469
00:28:30.279 --> 00:28:33.480
to bring to the screen. But I have not played

470
00:28:33.519 --> 00:28:36.640
a role like Chris Newborn before. I have not gone

471
00:28:36.680 --> 00:28:39.519
on the journey that this film took me before. And

472
00:28:39.559 --> 00:28:42.240
I'm always looking for ways to become a better actor,

473
00:28:42.319 --> 00:28:45.119
and I think being outside of your comfort zone.

474
00:28:45.920 --> 00:28:47.279
You know, it's like being in the gym.

475
00:28:47.759 --> 00:28:51.519
There are muscles that if you don't exercise, will atrophy,

476
00:28:52.200 --> 00:28:54.559
and if you do exercise.

477
00:28:54.240 --> 00:28:58.640
You become more strong in a holistic way.

478
00:28:59.279 --> 00:29:03.960
And you know, whatever this muscle is, I've now exercised.

479
00:29:03.279 --> 00:29:06.440
It and I feel like it will go into whatever

480
00:29:06.480 --> 00:29:07.079
I do next.

481
00:29:07.119 --> 00:29:10.720
So it has ticked so many boxes for me, and

482
00:29:11.039 --> 00:29:13.480
from a legacy standpoint, you know, I just want to

483
00:29:13.599 --> 00:29:17.799
keep on building on these kind of stories and characters

484
00:29:17.839 --> 00:29:21.960
that really really scare me and hopefully, you know, continue

485
00:29:21.960 --> 00:29:24.559
to challenge my notion of what I can do. And

486
00:29:25.279 --> 00:29:27.319
I guess that that will be the same effect it

487
00:29:27.359 --> 00:29:28.960
hopefully has on the audience.

488
00:29:28.960 --> 00:29:30.880
It certainly did for me. David.

489
00:29:30.960 --> 00:29:33.160
I can't wait, you know, I can't wait for everybody

490
00:29:33.160 --> 00:29:35.720
to see Newborn. And I thank you so much for

491
00:29:35.920 --> 00:29:38.599
speaking with me and really going in depth in your

492
00:29:38.640 --> 00:29:39.880
career and Newborn.

493
00:29:39.960 --> 00:29:40.960
I really appreciate you.

494
00:29:41.839 --> 00:29:44.240
Thanks, Kyle, I appreciate it, and I'm glad you bumped

495
00:29:44.279 --> 00:29:45.400
into me all that time ago.

496
00:29:45.599 --> 00:29:48.039
Yes, and you were you really were so nice because

497
00:29:48.279 --> 00:29:51.160
you probably saw the shock on you know, on my face.

498
00:29:51.200 --> 00:29:53.079
You were like you're good, You're good or whatever you said,

499
00:29:53.119 --> 00:29:55.880
and I was like, thank you, Oh my god, I

500
00:29:55.920 --> 00:29:57.000
appreciate it, David.

501
00:29:57.559 --> 00:29:58.400
Thank you all right.

502
00:29:58.440 --> 00:29:59.720
You take care you as well.

503
00:30:02.400 --> 00:30:02.799
David.

504
00:30:02.839 --> 00:30:03.519
Oh yalloo.

505
00:30:05.759 --> 00:30:09.599
I love conversations like that because it's not just about

506
00:30:09.799 --> 00:30:14.240
that film, it's about the human experience behind it. To me,

507
00:30:14.480 --> 00:30:18.599
that's you know, you know me, Degenerates, that's where things

508
00:30:18.640 --> 00:30:20.839
hit for me and for you obviously, or you wouldn't

509
00:30:20.839 --> 00:30:24.319
be listening. All Right, We're gonna take a quick commercial

510
00:30:24.440 --> 00:30:27.359
break to pay the bills. We will be back right

511
00:30:27.440 --> 00:30:31.599
here in sixty with Aaron Eckhart talking about his new

512
00:30:31.839 --> 00:30:33.480
film deep Water.

513
00:30:33.960 --> 00:30:40.119
See in sixty.

514
00:30:40.240 --> 00:30:44.319
All right, Degenerates, Welcome back to Pop Culture Weekly. Thank

515
00:30:44.400 --> 00:30:47.880
you for supporting our sponsors, who of course support me

516
00:30:48.160 --> 00:30:48.839
to support you.

517
00:30:49.640 --> 00:30:51.920
So now let's talk about Aaron Eckhart.

518
00:30:52.039 --> 00:30:56.680
You know him from everything blockbusters, dramas, thrillers, and he

519
00:30:56.759 --> 00:30:59.839
always has like that intensity that just pulls you in.

520
00:31:01.039 --> 00:31:04.079
And in his new film deep Water, that intensity is

521
00:31:04.200 --> 00:31:06.200
front and center, both.

522
00:31:06.000 --> 00:31:09.279
Above and below the surface.

523
00:31:10.359 --> 00:31:12.559
Deep Water is one of those stories where you know,

524
00:31:12.599 --> 00:31:14.480
and I'm not being funny with this part, but what's

525
00:31:14.480 --> 00:31:18.640
happening on the surface is not what's actually happening underneath

526
00:31:18.680 --> 00:31:21.079
of the surface. And I was being funny about that earlier,

527
00:31:21.119 --> 00:31:24.839
but in this sentence, I'm not. So we get into

528
00:31:24.880 --> 00:31:27.279
all of that, the psychology of it, what drew him

529
00:31:27.319 --> 00:31:30.680
to it, how he approaches a role like this, and yeah,

530
00:31:30.720 --> 00:31:33.200
there's definitely stuff in here you're gonna want to hear

531
00:31:33.440 --> 00:31:35.720
here he is Aaron Eckcutt.

532
00:31:38.640 --> 00:31:40.000
Yes, Kyle, Hi, how are you.

533
00:31:40.160 --> 00:31:42.519
I'm doing well. Thank you, Thank you for speaking with me.

534
00:31:42.559 --> 00:31:46.519
I really appreciate it. So watching Deep Water, you know,

535
00:31:46.720 --> 00:31:48.720
one of the things that really struck me is it

536
00:31:48.759 --> 00:31:51.559
feels like, you know, as scary as it is to

537
00:31:51.599 --> 00:31:53.480
me in many ways, I'm you know, one of my

538
00:31:53.680 --> 00:31:55.880
I think my biggest fear is playing crash and the

539
00:31:55.920 --> 00:31:57.079
second one might be sharks.

540
00:31:57.160 --> 00:31:59.920
So but ultimately, what this movie.

541
00:31:59.759 --> 00:32:02.920
Comes down to me for me anyway, is it's about

542
00:32:03.000 --> 00:32:06.839
relationships and the strength of them and that emotional power.

543
00:32:07.559 --> 00:32:10.839
When you were making this, what did you feel like

544
00:32:10.920 --> 00:32:17.119
the story was really about underneath everything in relationships.

545
00:32:17.839 --> 00:32:21.960
I mean, it's that's what movies are about, human beings,

546
00:32:22.000 --> 00:32:25.519
and we want to see other human beings in relationships.

547
00:32:25.680 --> 00:32:28.039
What do you mean to somebody else, how do you

548
00:32:28.079 --> 00:32:31.480
affect somebody else? How does this circumstance affect us all?

549
00:32:31.839 --> 00:32:35.119
I mean, we're all exchanging energy every day, whether we're

550
00:32:35.119 --> 00:32:37.759
conscious of it or not, and that could be good

551
00:32:37.839 --> 00:32:41.559
energy or bad energy. We're all trying to manage ourselves

552
00:32:41.680 --> 00:32:44.599
around each other. And that's what you want to see.

553
00:32:44.599 --> 00:32:48.960
How much humanity do we have in this situation, how

554
00:32:48.960 --> 00:32:53.599
that people handle the situation differently? And the heart of

555
00:32:53.599 --> 00:32:59.160
the movie is the little girl and she lost her parents,

556
00:32:59.359 --> 00:33:04.039
she's on her own own, who sacrifices herself themselves for her?

557
00:33:04.559 --> 00:33:09.160
How do we get her through this journey? And she

558
00:33:09.319 --> 00:33:13.680
represents the heart of the movie. And it's that relationship

559
00:33:14.960 --> 00:33:19.920
that gives it is the motor And so it was

560
00:33:20.039 --> 00:33:23.559
very important to me with the humanity and also with

561
00:33:23.720 --> 00:33:28.799
Sir Ben Kingsley, you know him Zack biting himself us,

562
00:33:29.119 --> 00:33:32.279
you know, trying to problem solve that situation, putting ourselves

563
00:33:32.279 --> 00:33:36.799
at risk and all the other passengers as well as

564
00:33:36.880 --> 00:33:41.279
the first responders. It's all about that exchange of energy.

565
00:33:41.359 --> 00:33:43.319
So it was the most important thing.

566
00:33:43.640 --> 00:33:44.240
I love that.

567
00:33:44.480 --> 00:33:49.079
And you know, how do you approach playing someone who's

568
00:33:49.079 --> 00:33:54.599
so internal but still still has that intensity kind of

569
00:33:54.720 --> 00:33:59.559
underneath those demons that he's struggling with in the film.

570
00:33:59.759 --> 00:34:05.400
Well, well, I don't know, just I guess. Uh. You know,

571
00:34:05.519 --> 00:34:08.400
first of all, you're given a script and so you

572
00:34:08.440 --> 00:34:11.360
have obviously the words, but it's it's everything underneath that

573
00:34:11.519 --> 00:34:14.960
that that counts. And it's just going through your own

574
00:34:15.000 --> 00:34:18.440
life and substituting things and you know, being in the

575
00:34:18.519 --> 00:34:22.119
moment and let it, let everything. You know. It's it's

576
00:34:22.199 --> 00:34:24.679
it's interesting about people because they they don't want to

577
00:34:24.679 --> 00:34:28.239
show you anything, but everybody shows you. They can't help it.

578
00:34:28.320 --> 00:34:30.280
You know, you physically cannot help it. You have to

579
00:34:30.280 --> 00:34:33.400
show people how you feel, whether it's through your your

580
00:34:33.559 --> 00:34:37.639
your behavior, your movements, or whatever it is. And it's that,

581
00:34:37.960 --> 00:34:40.719
you know. It was Jack Nicholson's he said, Uh, they'll

582
00:34:40.760 --> 00:34:45.719
never forget, he said, he said, it's it's all about behavior.

583
00:34:46.159 --> 00:34:49.440
This whole business is about behavior. It's yeah, it's about

584
00:34:49.480 --> 00:34:54.000
script and it's about camera and lighting and blah blah blah.

585
00:34:54.239 --> 00:34:56.320
That it's really what the audience wants.

586
00:34:56.119 --> 00:34:57.639
To see is behavior.

587
00:34:58.280 --> 00:35:04.519
Because we our little behavior machines. And that's why we

588
00:35:04.559 --> 00:35:07.320
love the people watch. That's why we love to go

589
00:35:07.400 --> 00:35:12.079
online and watch these scenarios or cops the show. You know,

590
00:35:12.119 --> 00:35:17.519
how do people behave under these circumstances and always don't

591
00:35:17.519 --> 00:35:22.559
surprise you? Yeah, you know. And that's the interesting thing

592
00:35:22.559 --> 00:35:24.840
about the movies is because you're given a script and

593
00:35:24.880 --> 00:35:28.239
so you think, well, might be my character would do this,

594
00:35:28.440 --> 00:35:30.400
But then you watch a reality show and you're like,

595
00:35:30.639 --> 00:35:35.119
that's not what they did. Yeah, it's something completely bizarre

596
00:35:35.159 --> 00:35:39.199
and different, which was wonderful. And if you can do that,

597
00:35:39.280 --> 00:35:41.559
I think Jack was one of the best at it,

598
00:35:42.239 --> 00:35:46.000
if not the best ever. Behavior We remember that in

599
00:35:46.039 --> 00:35:49.199
the audience is relaship. So that's the I think the

600
00:35:49.280 --> 00:35:51.519
challenge in these in this particular circumstances.

601
00:35:51.800 --> 00:35:54.320
I love that and kind of building on that. Do

602
00:35:54.360 --> 00:35:58.559
you think that most relationships are really about love or

603
00:35:58.639 --> 00:36:02.079
is there a power? Uh? In ways that we may

604
00:36:02.119 --> 00:36:06.400
not even recognize ourselves.

605
00:36:06.639 --> 00:36:09.679
I think that it is a higher you know, that's

606
00:36:09.719 --> 00:36:13.760
an interesting question. Uh. If well, you know what, you know,

607
00:36:15.320 --> 00:36:17.400
that's a huge that I can write a novel about that.

608
00:36:18.599 --> 00:36:25.440
It's it maybe not love, Uh, it's about That's an

609
00:36:25.440 --> 00:36:30.159
interesting question, it's about I think it has less do

610
00:36:30.280 --> 00:36:32.280
its love and more to do its humanity in the

611
00:36:32.320 --> 00:36:36.199
sense that we are human beings. When we're saving somewhere else,

612
00:36:36.239 --> 00:36:40.960
we're saving ourselves. It's this desire, this and killing. By

613
00:36:41.000 --> 00:36:46.239
the way, it's this. If we didn't have that, we

614
00:36:46.280 --> 00:36:50.079
wouldn't have a civilization if because why would we care

615
00:36:50.079 --> 00:36:54.079
about somebody else if it weren't directly reflected at us. Yeah,

616
00:36:54.360 --> 00:36:57.400
we're always acting in our best interests, our self interests.

617
00:36:57.920 --> 00:37:00.679
This is an interesting question about humanity because if you're

618
00:37:00.719 --> 00:37:03.679
always acting in your self interest, why are you helping others? Well,

619
00:37:03.719 --> 00:37:06.519
you're doing it because you're doing it as if you're

620
00:37:06.559 --> 00:37:10.119
doing it to yourself or if somebody were to help you,

621
00:37:11.360 --> 00:37:14.480
and in this particular case, because all you people are

622
00:37:14.519 --> 00:37:17.000
doing in this movie is helping each other, right, Yeah,

623
00:37:17.480 --> 00:37:20.320
And then you say, well, why are they doing that.

624
00:37:20.360 --> 00:37:23.239
They're different, they're culturally they're different, or they don't speak

625
00:37:23.239 --> 00:37:25.199
the same language, or they do blah blah blah. It

626
00:37:25.239 --> 00:37:28.360
doesn't matter. It's all about humanity. It's all about this

627
00:37:28.480 --> 00:37:32.079
thing that we're on, this rock, the spinning rock, and

628
00:37:32.599 --> 00:37:39.159
how do we help each other do it? Otherwise we're incomplete,

629
00:37:39.280 --> 00:37:46.480
just anarchy and nothing lessen. Yeah, and I think that

630
00:37:46.599 --> 00:37:48.199
shit for me anyway.

631
00:37:48.320 --> 00:37:52.039
Okay, it is for you well, and you know, you

632
00:37:52.079 --> 00:37:57.000
have played so many different kinds of roles, heroes, villains,

633
00:37:57.119 --> 00:37:59.719
you know, kind of in the middle, and you keep

634
00:37:59.719 --> 00:38:04.199
coming back to these really kind of complex layered characters.

635
00:38:04.559 --> 00:38:08.800
What is it about those types of roles that you

636
00:38:08.840 --> 00:38:10.599
know that attract you, that pull you in.

637
00:38:12.000 --> 00:38:15.440
They're they're they're an actor's challenge. You know, I'm an

638
00:38:15.480 --> 00:38:18.519
actor and at the at the end of the day,

639
00:38:18.800 --> 00:38:22.519
I'm an actor. That's it. That's what I'd love to do,

640
00:38:22.599 --> 00:38:24.880
and that's what I chose to do, and fortunately I'm

641
00:38:24.920 --> 00:38:27.719
able to do it. But when I read a script,

642
00:38:27.920 --> 00:38:31.000
even if it is the actors genre, I'm not playing

643
00:38:31.039 --> 00:38:33.400
the action. I can throw punches all day long. I

644
00:38:33.440 --> 00:38:36.559
can shoot a gun or drive a car that anybody

645
00:38:36.559 --> 00:38:39.280
can do that. Of course you're having people do that

646
00:38:39.360 --> 00:38:47.000
for you. Yeah, And so really the actor's gold where

647
00:38:47.039 --> 00:38:52.719
they're important is the behavior and the emotion and the drama.

648
00:38:53.280 --> 00:38:59.159
And you know, you know movies is about movies are

649
00:38:59.480 --> 00:39:02.840
or say in movies or the theater or whatever it is,

650
00:39:03.360 --> 00:39:09.639
is about conflict. It's about crisis, and you know that

651
00:39:10.039 --> 00:39:13.519
is what attracts me to it. How How can I

652
00:39:13.679 --> 00:39:16.519
convince you that I'm going through this thing. How do

653
00:39:16.599 --> 00:39:19.239
I under immersion? How do I how do I be

654
00:39:19.320 --> 00:39:23.920
real under imaginary circumstances. That's the actor's baseline, and that's

655
00:39:23.960 --> 00:39:26.800
what I've always been attracted to. If I watch Paccino

656
00:39:27.400 --> 00:39:30.119
in uh, or if I watch you know, any of

657
00:39:30.119 --> 00:39:34.679
the MI grades, right, why are they great? How do

658
00:39:34.719 --> 00:39:37.880
they convince me that they're going through this? Look at

659
00:39:38.000 --> 00:39:42.079
Rocky whatever it is that have influenced my life, and

660
00:39:42.119 --> 00:39:44.719
that's always attracted me. And it's I think it was

661
00:39:44.719 --> 00:39:47.760
Mickey Vork that said, if you have two real moments

662
00:39:47.800 --> 00:39:51.360
in a movie, you win. You two have two actual,

663
00:39:51.480 --> 00:39:54.079
real moments in a movie. It doesn't sound like a

664
00:39:54.079 --> 00:39:58.119
big base of barometer, but uh, it's really difficult to

665
00:39:58.159 --> 00:40:02.719
do under those amounts and those false circumstances. And that's

666
00:40:02.800 --> 00:40:05.239
what compels me as an actor, is to try to

667
00:40:05.239 --> 00:40:09.559
have real moments under imaginary circumstances. And it's what as

668
00:40:09.599 --> 00:40:13.760
I say this, I'm thinking about me in drama class

669
00:40:13.800 --> 00:40:17.559
in school when I was seventeen or fourteen or whatever

670
00:40:17.559 --> 00:40:19.840
it is. It's the same question today that I was

671
00:40:19.880 --> 00:40:29.239
battling with then. Wow, it hasn't been solved yet. When

672
00:40:29.239 --> 00:40:32.920
you watch you, when you watch blend of breath blessing

673
00:40:32.920 --> 00:40:35.280
in secrets and lies, and she comes up with this

674
00:40:36.039 --> 00:40:39.119
realization that the person in front of her is her daughter,

675
00:40:39.800 --> 00:40:41.599
and she has that moment where you see it in

676
00:40:41.599 --> 00:40:46.159
her mindence. It's insane, it's exhilarating, it's the height of

677
00:40:46.199 --> 00:40:49.880
the profession. Yeah. So that's a long way of saying

678
00:40:49.880 --> 00:40:51.519
I have no idea what I'm talking about.

679
00:40:52.960 --> 00:40:57.440
Well, finally, what do you hope people take away about

680
00:40:57.639 --> 00:41:01.320
relationships or anything even beyond the story itself when they

681
00:41:01.639 --> 00:41:04.920
when they you know, finish deep Water.

682
00:41:06.400 --> 00:41:08.440
At the end of the day, we're all taking care

683
00:41:08.480 --> 00:41:10.960
of each other. At the end of the day, when

684
00:41:11.119 --> 00:41:15.039
when you're in a crisis, what it's go mode. You

685
00:41:15.159 --> 00:41:17.480
all are just taking care of each other. That's the

686
00:41:17.480 --> 00:41:24.159
default position of a human being. That people are living

687
00:41:24.239 --> 00:41:25.679
that right now.

688
00:41:26.320 --> 00:41:28.079
Yeah.

689
00:41:28.440 --> 00:41:33.519
Yeah, so everything else disappears, you know, my car payment disappears,

690
00:41:34.039 --> 00:41:38.599
my opinion on the architecture of that house, disappears everything,

691
00:41:39.199 --> 00:41:45.119
and you're just literally down to the bones of of

692
00:41:45.440 --> 00:41:48.320
really humanity of life. And that's what this movie is about.

693
00:41:49.280 --> 00:41:51.920
I love that, Aaron, I love the film. I can't

694
00:41:51.920 --> 00:41:54.840
wait for everybody to see Deep Water. Thank you so much.

695
00:41:54.880 --> 00:41:55.960
I really appreciate it.

696
00:41:56.320 --> 00:41:57.920
Thank you very much. Nice talking with you.

697
00:41:58.039 --> 00:41:59.519
Nice talking with you. I have a great day.

698
00:42:00.239 --> 00:42:03.719
Thanks Tarnet.

699
00:42:06.079 --> 00:42:10.280
Trust me on this Deep Water is definitely one you

700
00:42:10.320 --> 00:42:13.159
want to watch, and it's out right now, as is Newborn.

701
00:42:13.239 --> 00:42:15.119
All Right, So that's gonna do it for this episode

702
00:42:15.119 --> 00:42:17.639
of pop Culture Weekly. If you're not already, make sure

703
00:42:17.679 --> 00:42:21.280
you're following, subscribe, doing all the things, because you know,

704
00:42:21.400 --> 00:42:23.800
I got a lot more come in your way. I

705
00:42:23.880 --> 00:42:26.400
love you, and that's what I do for you. You know,

706
00:42:26.599 --> 00:42:28.920
somebody's got to do this hard work, and it's me.

707
00:42:30.039 --> 00:42:33.440
I'll have more interviews, more deep dives, more pop culture chaos,

708
00:42:33.840 --> 00:42:37.519
because clearly the universe refuses to slow down. And honestly,

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would we wanted to, We wouldn't. We wouldn't want it to.

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All Right, I'm Kyle McMahon, and until next time, stay obsessed,

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stay curious, and try to keep up with Madonna. Good

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luck with that one, all right, I'll see you next week.

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