M. Night Shyamalan & Cast of Servant Season 4 LIVE; Scott Hoying of Pentatonix

0:00 On this week's episode of Pop Culture Weekly, I talked to Scott Hoying, of Pentatonix about his brand-new solo single Mars, then I talk once again with M. Night Shyamalan and the cast of "Servant at the Live Premiere of Season 4." Let's go! Welcome to Pop Culture Weekly with Kyle McMahon from iHeartRadio. Your Pop Culture News, views, reviews, and celebrity interviews on all the movies TV, music and pop culture you crave, weekly. Here's Kyle McMahon. "Nanananan, hello!" And welcome to Pop Culture Weekly with Kyle McMahon. I, of course, am Kyle McMahon and I am so glad that you are here hanging out with me for the next little bit and talking and doing and living pop culture.

0:49 So last week, my favorite show in the world, "Servant," I interviewed the cast. I interviewed M. Night Shyamalan, who of course is an executive producer and Lauren Ambrose and Toby Kebbell and Nell Tiger Free. It was all about "Servant" and "Servant" is on its fourth and final season. The first episode has debuted now and if you've watched it, you saw how good was that episode. So, you know, the series almost always takes place exclusively in the Turner's House, which is on Spruce Street in Philadelphia. And this episode pretty much all took place in front of the Turner's House, particularly in the car and that car, it's just such an incredible show that never manages me, manages me, never manages to keep me on my feet to keep me being in shock as those credits roll.

1:50 And it's just so well written, so well acted, so well produced, just everybody on that team is so incredible, so talented and I love them for it. So today, I told you last week that in this week's episode, we are going to talk to the cast live from the premiere in New York City. So I talk once again with Emni Chamalan and report Grint. I talk to Uncle George, the Boris McGiver, love him. Of course, now tiger free, Matilda de He who plays Snake. Oh, and I know you haven't met them yet, but two of my favorite characters in the show, Bobby and Bev.

2:39 I love these characters. You will meet them in episode three. Oh, my God. I just immediately fell in love with them. They're crazy. They're zany. They're cool. And there's something strange going on with them. But in any event, I talk with Bobby, Barbara Kingsley, all about her role as Bobby in servant. And over the next few weeks, you know, maybe we'll have some special guests that will pop up from servant. I guess I just gave away the spoiler. You never know could happen. I'm also on today's episode. I talk with Scott Hoying, who has been on the show before with Pentatonix, but this time he is solo releasing his first major solo single called Mars, which is amazing.

3:31 Love, love, love this song. And there's two new versions that just came out. A choir version and acoustic version. And I am in love with the song. So let's start out with Scott. And if for some reason you have been under a rock, Scott is the, I guess, lead singer of Pentatonix. I guess there really isn't a lead singer. I don't know, but Scott is, you know, in Pentatonix, one of the founding members. And if for again, for some reason you live under a rock, they are essentially an acapelagroop from Arlington, Texas.

4:12 And they do like pop style arrangements with harmonies and riffing and beatboxing. And they do some cover versions of modern pop songs and Christmas songs. Sometimes medley's. They're just awesome. They essentially formed in 2011 and then won the third season of the Sing Off on NBC. And then signed with Sony and blew up. I mean, they're really, really, really amazing. For YouTube channel has over 23 million subscribers and six billion with the B views, six billion views. That's insane. The latest album is their sixth Christmas album, Holidays Around the World.

4:54 And the single release from that is called prayers for this world. And Holidays around the world, if, you know, you cut the hint in the title, has songs from different cultures that are sung, sung during the holiday season. And some new versions of some songs they've previously released plus three new originals, kid on Christmas with Megan trainer and star on top as well as prayers for this world. And they'll be going on tour in 2023. That's this year. So lots of good stuff from them. Now, by the way, they have one three different Grammy awards.

5:34 And they're up for another Grammy for best traditional pop vocal album at this year's Grammys for their album, Evergreen. So love, love, love, pentatonic and love Scott Hoying, who I'm talking with today. He is the baritone of pentatonic. He is also an incredible songwriter and musician. And his released his first big solo single called Mars. Mars, it's like this epic song, I absolutely love it. So Mars is out now. Like I said, there's two additional versions that he released just a few days ago.

6:16 So let's get in to my conversation with V1 and only Scott Hoying. So first of all, thank you so much Scott for joining me once again on I Heart Radio's pop culture weekly. I appreciate it. Of course. Hello. Thanks for having me. This is so cool. I've never done like a solo press day before. Yeah, it's exciting for you. I'm sure. Yeah, it's very exciting.

6:56 It's like just wild. I've been wanting to do this for years, but I've always been so scared. So this is the things for having me. Of course. You deserve it. And we're talking about Mars, the single, which is incredible by the way Kudos for that. Tell me, what is it like for you? You've been with pentatonic obviously for a very long time. And now as you said, you're, you know, just branching out on your own. Are you terrified? I mean, partially. Fortunately, I do think I'm in the head space where I feel like I have the confidence. And I feel good about putting it out and I can go to sleep proud of it.

7:37 I'm not putting too much pressure on it. But there is a little bit of fear. I mean, that's what helped me back for years. It was just this fear that if I did something solo, everyone would hate it. And I would develop this complex that I'm not interesting on my own without my bandmates. And so it's cool to see the response to it. And it's something I'm very proud of. And it's done more for me than just being able to put out music. It's just been a therapeutic, beautiful process of being able to be vulnerable and share my story and make art. And I love that for you. And the single Mars is absolutely insanely good. Tell me about it. Where did the song come from? And how did we get to listen to it today?

8:21 So the song came from, well, during the pandemic, I learned how to use pro tools because I had to record remotely for pentatonic stuff. And I became obsessed with pro tools and producing and writing. So I've started writing a song pretty much every day for the last year. And that's when I really started to be like, I need to do a solo project. Because a lot of the songs were very personal stories. They wouldn't have totally fit with pentatonic. And I just was working my creative muscle. I was feeling really confident in them. And probably like 80 songs into that writing a day thing. I wrote Mars. And I was like, oh man, this feels like it could be special. But let me play it for Mark. And Mark was like, this is your best one by far. I love it. He was a crying.

9:01 And that kind of started the process of talking to labels and figuring out what a solo project would look like. And right around the same time, I was arranging stuff for my dreamers, new album. And she put me as a feature on one of the songs. And so it all felt like all the planets, no pun intended were online. I love that. And again, I love that for you. And I love it obviously as somebody who loves your work. For you, it's got to be freeing in a lot of ways. And in the fact that this is you. This is Scott. And there is no-- none of your bandmates to answer a question that you might not have wanted to or whatever.

9:49 It's Scott. Is that freeing in a lot of ways too? As much as it might be a little bit scary. Is that freeing too? It's both. It's very freeing in that like we don't have to-- we usually have to unanimously agree on something creatively. And so that's obviously going to be a process. And it works. And I love it. But also there's just a lot of voices and stuff takes longer. But whenever you're doing solo stuff, it's like you can run through 20 ideas the speed of light. And really just make decisions and move on. And so there's a little bit of a flow that happens, which I think can contribute to the most authentic art.

10:31 It's just moving at a risk, not overthinking it speed. But at the same time, I do-- I am hit or miss with ideas sometimes. Sometimes I have a really good idea. Sometimes I have a non-sugget idea. And I don't have other voices or bandmates to be brought back down to Earth if I have some crazy ideas that I'm working. So it feels riskier and it's scarier in that way. Well, I think in my opinion, it is very much so paid off. So congratulations. And I really do mean that. Congratulations for taking that jump. Because of everything that you're saying. And we get an amazing track like Mars.

11:15 So is this more of a Stevie Nicks thing where you're doing Scott? But you're also-- you're not abandoning pentatonics. You're just doing Scott for right now. Yeah, exactly. Pentecostal is still really busy. We've got a whole world-torned experience in Albon and stuff. And I'm fully just as dedicated. And I love the landscape of the music industry now. Bruno Mars can be Bruno Mars and also do so. It's not like an interesting fact. I can do it. And now that things are so efficient, if I have a song idea and I can write it in two seconds, like this set up in my hotel in New York and have the song in a few hours.

11:55 And so it's honestly not as exhausting as you would think. But there are moments where I'm like, have conflicting things. But it's definitely manageable. And I will also say that doing solo stuff and writing so much and living the stream of mine has made me a better band mate just mentally and physically and physically for pentatonics. Because I've done so much arranging for the solo stuff I'm doing. That arrangement for the National Anthem we just did at the college for Bo game, got all this love. And I feel like I was able to make that arrangement as good as it was because of all the stuff I've been doing solo. So I think it's helping.

12:36 Awesome. And for Mars, it is so unique. When I first heard of the project, I don't know what I expected, but it was not Mars. And I'm glad that it went way beyond my expectations. But I was expecting, I don't know. I don't know what I was expecting. But Mars is so deeply rich and layered in not just in a lyrical way, but musically as well. Is that part of, I mean, obviously it's part of you. But was that intentional with this song or is it just the way it came out?

13:22 It's kind of just the way it naturally came out. And so at the beginning of the year when I started writing every day, I really did not let myself just have too much of a vision at first because I wanted to see where I naturally went. Because I contend to really try to calculate things. And I just saw some I wrote silly dumb goofy songs, more R&B type stuff, I wrote country sounding stuff. And I kept coming back to this epic epic was the main word that was the through line. I love choirs and orchestra and I wanted to be big and intimate. And Mars just was a song that I loved and kept coming back to and I couldn't stop listening to it and it seemed to be the close people in my lives, favorites.

14:11 That's just what it turned into. But I never really at the very beginning intended for that to be the sound. I love it. And for you, when you went to do the song, was this just you in a hotel room or whatever, just you kind of writing and playing it out and seeing what happens? Yeah, I was at my house in LA and I just went downstairs and wrote it at piano. And like finished the song and then I brought it to a producer that I love very much named John Levine and he loved the song and he kind of helped me shape it and we added a bridge.

14:53 And then he produced, he started actually playing the one piano note at the beginning. And it was like I'm hearing this kind of like coal play slow build thing and I'm obsessed with that idea. And I was like that is so perfect. And we just kind of built it out of a couple sessions together and it was really emotional. It was just so cool to see something come to life from nothing. It was powerful moment. I'm sure, especially to come from a blank page literally to this huge epic like you said, anthem is called play song. That is so beautiful. The vocals, just everything about it is absolutely beautiful.

15:34 I'm obsessed with it. Yeah, thank you. That makes me so happy. Thank you. Thank you for giving it to us. And when when you're doing any kind of music, do you do you kind of like for when you were writing for instance song a day was this, you know, some of this might go towards pentatonic. Some of it might be for me or was this a, I'm just going to write for Scott and it is, you know, it is what it is and I'll see what I like at the end or whatever. Yeah, that's a great question. I mean, it changes every day. All like have an idea for this like unhinged song that I could never write myself or it could be for pentatonic, but I'll just write it anyways.

16:19 Just to kind of like work that side of my brain and some stuff like if it gets really personal and vulnerable, I'll know it's more for me. And then if it's like a more general like kind of message that I feel like five people could relate to in the band, I will be like, maybe this is a cup of pentatonic. But then also I've written stuff that haven't inspired me to like put in a musical or something. So it's more just like the action of writing and being creative and just getting stuff on paper. I love it. And this interview is all my interviews. I never script my interviews because I like talking, you know, conversation is better. Part of the problem with that is my 80, my 80, like bounces back and forth.

16:59 You know, some like here and there. But I'm the same way. Oh, awesome. Okay. For for Mars, you just released two additional versions of the song, which one is a choir version. And they're all they're both so different. One is the choir version, which I absolutely love. And the other is the acoustic version, which I also love. But I've been particularly obsessed today with the choir version. Was that part of what you envisioned from the start? You were like, I love this song the way it is. But I think it would be cool to kind of do a version like this or how did that come about for you?

17:44 Yeah, I did intend on doing like a choir version of it from the start. And I feel like I want to do that for a couple of the songs on this project, whatever it ends up being. And like, I, you know, the idea actually stemmed from this behind the scenes video. I saw of a huge actman singing with a bunch of incredible singers for like the greatest showman rehearsal. Mm. You've watched it. And they're singing from now on and they're rehearsing it. And it's so loud in the room. And I just remember thinking I would pay a absorbant amount of money to be in that room just like soaking up that visceral energy. And it was so cool to see. And so I really wanted to do that for Mars, just get some of the best singers in LA and just belts and like it just is very human and tense experience.

18:29 And it was so fun to do. It was amazing. And the singers were so nice. They were also part of a group called Socavo, called Pushkami and Akapela. So fuck his men. Oh wow. And it was an excuse to release another version of the song. And you know, as you were recording that particular version, did you ever kind of just step back and be like, holy shit, this is my song that I wrote. You know, and here are all these amazing singers doing choir vocals on my song. Yes, I had a lot of those moments. I was very curious. I also was like, not an insecure way, but kind of like shy because it like meant so much to me.

19:09 And I was kind of emotional. So I just remember talking to the choir and being like, thank you for being a part of this. It's really emotional experience for me. And I'm so happy to be here. I was like, oh, it's like a very humble, full experience. And it was just exciting. I thought it felt really fresh and like a new, like a new chapter and a new world that opened up for me. That's cool. And you know, it really does the version both of the new, I don't want to say new versions, because the song is new. Exactly. Our so beautiful and give just a different dimension to an already beautiful song. So the finally, because I know you have a whole junk at today, where can we expect, is, you know, can we expect Mars on an upcoming album?

19:57 Are you just kind of playing it by ear right now? Where do you think it? So, you know, I don't know for sure the dream is to do an albumer and EP. I'm not sure on the timeline, but all of it's being talked about and it'll definitely be this year. And I just have so many songs that I want to put out. So if it was like, if I had it completely my way, I would have a video in a song every week, just I've written so much and there's so much of a crowd of, so it'll be coming soon. Awesome. There's some good songs on the air and pumped. Awesome. Well, thank you so much, Scott. I can't wait to see, you know, what continues to come of this other aspect of you artistically and go stream Mars?

20:38 Yes. Thank you so much for saying that. Thanks for having me. Of course. Thank you. And for the next project, come on back. Yes, I'll be here. All right. Thank you, Scott. Good to see you as well. Bye. Bye. Scott's amazing. His name is single Mars is out right now on the I Heart Radio app or wherever you listen to your music. So next up, let's get into the second round of interviews on my favorite show ever for season four and it's the final season, which I'm so bummed about, but I'm also happy knowing that they went out the way they wanted to knowing that they had 40 chapters of the story to tell and then it was going to be done.

21:30 You know, I credit M. Knight for doing that on such a successful show. So many great shows end up kind of selling their legacy by going on far too long. M. Knight's new what story he wanted to tell with these characters. New how long it was going to take and he did it. So kudos to him. One of my favorite directors ever. Let's talk to Uncle George Boris McGeaver. Hi, Boris. How are you? First of all, thank you so much for speaking with me. One of my favorite shows ever. And how has it been for you, the entire ride has been crazy as Uncle George as a viewer, has it been as fun to play him as it is for us to watch him.

22:18 Yes. No question. Absolutely. I was saying earlier this is the most fun I've had with the character in 30 years. And I'm going to have a 30 with 31 years. It's so much fun. It's just a little wackiest. As you know, we are the direction I got at my audition five years ago from night was I can tell you about it. It was three pronged. It had nothing to do with each other. Like your spiritual guy, your borrowing a cadaver or a cult or your mask killer. I'm like, so go without it. Okay.

22:58 So it's been a total blast, total blast. And now that it's over, you guys wrapped in December, and you know, you're in that studio and so long, what is it like now that you can look back knowing that that character story has been sold? I'm quite proud of it just to be involved. And I'm honored that it was really cool. I've done a few series over the years. And this was just another one. I'm so happy to have been involved with. Really? That's much fun. It's pretty cool. A lot of people like which is great. Yeah. It's absolutely, it's one of my top three favorite shows. I absolutely love it. I actually went to the sale.

23:39 They sold off a bunch of the stuff. Yeah. I don't have the fucking living. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. And I just got a couple of them and they ended up giving me some cool props and stuff which I was so thankful for. But yeah, it's just one of those shows that it's just an edge of your seat and it's so the world is built so incredibly so well written fleshed out. It's just awesome. It's just so much fun to watch. You know, it's kind of plunged in and just said, yeah, they said, "Dive." Is it deep enough? Sure. Okay. There you go. All right. Thank you so much for us. I really appreciate it. Yeah, yeah. Pleasure. Thanks much. Thank you.

24:19 Of course, of course, was Montsignore Matthew Currickey in Evil. Love that show too. He was also Tom Hammersmith in 30 episodes of House of Cards. Great actor. Love him as Uncle George. So creepy as Uncle George. And, uh, all right. Next up on the servant red carpet is snake herself Matilda Day. How are you? How are you? Good, good in you. I'm doing well, thank you. What was it like to play snake for you, uh, you know, in this incredible series?

24:59 Huge blessing. Huge blessing. I changed a lot of my life personally too because it brought Kundalini yoga to my life, you know, the snake, the snake, everything was, you know, the spine literally happened. Something led to the other which really freed me up in many ways in my personal life and my life as an actor. I saw the first few episodes of season four and I'm like dying because now I got to wait like what another month to get to get the next episode, you know. Oh, oh, really? Oh, okay. So this is your premiere too. Yeah, okay. Yeah, it's, oh my God.

25:40 It's love it. Yeah, exactly. So what was it like for you to, you know, this UK man in season four, um, absolutely incredibly tight, well written show. What was it like for you to come in and, you know, kind of do your thing in the final season? A lot of things, but at first I did have that intruder, you know, type of, am I really here? Do I, you know, can I do what I need to do? But then the art, the passion takes over and especially in a team like this where people are supported, so talented, so open minded, it makes it just, of less thing, it's a true blessing. So yeah, what's next for you?

26:23 Maybe you know better than me, that too. I don't know yet, you know, I'm auditioning maybe my manager is somewhere around, I cannot say that's what I really want. No matter what, it's great things. Thank you so much. I appreciate it. I'm a good guy. Matilda, her character snake is so interesting because so far in the series as you'll see, it's like, I like her, but I also don't because I'm not exactly sure which side she's on, the good side or the bad side. So we shall see as we continue the series coming to a conclusion by that episode.

27:09 10 next up, director and writer, filmmaker and M. Knight's M. Knight Shyamalan's daughter, Ishana Shyamalan. So first of all, I love the show, one of my favorites ever. I love the first few episodes of season four. I can't wait to see the rest of it. How for you was it? Was it like to be able to be a part of this world that's such a well built, well written series? Absolutely. I mean, I think coming in with material, that's that good and kind of a high concept, that's that's that good, really inspires you as a creative to meet those standards and keep pushing the box kind of creatively.

27:56 So I mean, this is the dream situation, I think, as both a writer and director, because you get to come in and really just imagine anything. And many, many wonderful colors to play with. So yeah. And for you, this give you more of a bug to create, you know, as a director, writer, producer, is it, are you like on fire now? Oh, absolutely. I think when you find that thing that feels like your passion, you know it immediately, and that's definitely how I felt being on the show, it was just sort of felt like where I needed to be. So yeah, and getting to hone my skills on this set and sort of become a more muscular writer director, I now feel like I can enter the kind of film world feeling good.

28:39 So do you have an interest in the types of projects that your father night is known for those, you know, which I'm obsessed with, those like kind of interesting, sometimes weird, sometimes creepy worlds, is that kind of like a thing you like to? Absolutely. I mean, I think, yeah, I think I don't know if it's a choice or not, but I feel I was born into this life where that material is just the most interesting to me and have a dark side as well. So I'm very excited to kind of be putting that into the film sphere. Yeah. Awesome. And is there can we expect, you have any plans for your next project? Yes, I'm in the process of prepping my first feature.

29:22 So that should be happening very, very soon. Yes. Thank you. It's a pleasure to meet you. Yeah. Shana Shama-laan. Love her. She's so talented and I am so excited to see her continue growing in her career. See what she does next. It's really awesome that she has actually directed and written my favorite episode so far, which is episode three called Sayons, which will come out next week with Bev and Bobby as I've been talking about for weeks. So I think it's interesting that she wrote and directed that episode.

30:05 It's my favorite one so far. And that is all because of Shana. So we'll be hearing a lot from Ishana Shama-laan coming in time. I am really, really sure of that. Next up, Bobby, who you haven't yet met, but you will in next week's episode three titled Sayons. I guess it's season four episode three titled Sayons. And she plays half of the pair of Bev and Bobby, who you are going to love. I think just as much as I do. So here she is. Stage and screen actor Barbara Kingsley.

30:47 My favorite part about season four so far. Watch the first three four episodes is Bev and Bobby. I absolutely love Bev and how is it for you? Because you ladies just kind of came in your whirlwind in the series. How much fun was that for you to kind of do this? Just it was just crazy fun. We had never met. I knew Denny's work, but if you look up my resume or my bio, it's no secret that I spent 35 years in Minnesota. Running the craft of stage. And so as a result, I learned a lot from Denny.

31:31 She's a chef. We're very different as human beings. So very different. But she has this sense of whimsy about her. And then she'll just do laser focus. And so whenever we were working, I don't know. I will find out how much you see the two of us interacting with each other. But it was always we were always this duo that fed off each other, which was so cool. And it's interesting that you came from this stage because servant is very much for me almost like a play that all kind of takes place mostly in this house. And it's very tight writing.

32:13 That house so badly. And I wandered around going, "My mom has that." You know, "Wow, it is." I wanted to go there and live. And I thought that karma would be a little weird. Kind of. Yeah, it very much. So I got to tell you, I went to the sale of the, yes. And I got a couple of things from Bevin' Bobby's apartment, which I thought was amazing. Yeah. Oh, my god. It's so cool. Yeah. It really was really cool. Yeah. I don't want it to go, but I was afraid to make me really sad. And then I'd be like, "Oh, can I even afford to buy that?" I don't know. Yeah. Yeah.

32:54 They had some awesome, you know. It was amazing. And they had basically Bevin' Bobby's apartment just kind of still set up. You know, it was awesome. So, I can't wait to see what happens with Bevin' Bobby in the rest of season 4. Thank you so much for speaking with me. Thank you. It's fun, sure. Be well. Thank you, you too. (upbeat music) Barbara Kingsley, as Bobby, love, love, love, love her. Next up, the servant herself. Now, Tiger Free. (upbeat music) Hey, good speaking with you again.

33:35 (laughing) Good, how are you? What is it? Have you seen the first few of season 4 yet or is this gonna be your first? It gonna be the first time I see it. It's gonna be, yeah. With all these beautiful people, it's gonna be, yeah. My first time. So, I'm excited. Yeah, it's one of my favorite shows ever. I've said that before. And I love your arc and how you have changed, you know, your character. Do you feel that as an actor that has happened for you too over the four seasons? Yeah, definitely. I don't think I would have been able to go and do the project I did after servant without servant. I don't think that I would have been able to have the confidence to go and make a feature if I didn't do the show.

34:22 It's kind of been the most amazing learn as you go. I didn't go to school for acting and so I just, this has been that for me and directors and night and my beautiful classmate who I love so much. (laughing) I love you. Yeah, they've been like a master class for me. So I've grown a lot. Awesome. So much now, congratulations on the series. And I look forward to the film. Nice to see you too. (upbeat music) She's a delight and if you, as you may have noticed, as, you know, we're talking, all of my papers fell, I guess, from the stand they were on and so she being awesome.

35:02 Picks them up. I mean, so cool, just love her. So Nail Tiger free is so talented and I can't wait to see her next move. All right, next up the one and only a rooper, grint. (upbeat music) Congratulations on season four. What was it like for you? You know, you've been there since day one. What was it like for you to finish, you know, this incredible story? Yeah, it was really kind of looting. I mean, from personal level, I was just being a part of the show for so long. I think personally as well. I mean, I've been, obviously, my history is part of which was a very long term, kind of job.

35:45 But in a way, this felt a little bit more kind of significant in many ways, because I became a dad halfway through, we had the little COVID interrupted our shooting. So it really feels like we've been on this incredible journey for the last five years. And yeah, for it to kind of suddenly wrap up, is it's always hard. I think we're always gonna miss the people. I think it's the perfect time to finish and I think where the show has kind of gone now, it's really interesting. Yeah, no. And it just kind of changed directions. And you never really know where you are with it. I mean, there's a lot of questions we have to answer in this season. So it's, I think it comes to a very satisfying conclusion for sure. Yeah, I can't wait to, I'm dying to see.

36:28 And now I have like a month, you don't know me to catch up, you know. But one of the things that I love is your character and how, you know, they are all, all the characters are flawed, right? But yours is very, he is very open and sometimes born with, you know, what's happening? Is that refreshing for you to do something that's just kind of raw? Yeah, absolutely. I love, whatever, when I first read, Julian, he's just got such a very specific way of speaking. I love his kind of freeness with his words. And there's just nothing that he's not afraid of anything. Particularly in the early seasons, he's this very strong character who's kind of, kind of the perfect person to have in this situation.

37:15 Because he's very cool headed and he's always got an answer. But I mean, as we see, as his kind of unpeeled to other seasons, there's a lot of guilt he's holding on to. And a lot of things he's kind of dealing with. So he's a lot weaker than we really perceive originally. And that's the interesting to kind of, it's been interesting to kind of unpeak that. Yeah, yeah. And finally, what's next for you? What do you have your next project lined up or you're taking some time off? Yeah, I go to the movie with tonight, it comes out next month. You're not, yeah, yeah. But yeah, I mean, since then, no, I think just home just being a dad as well. I'm enjoying it. Yeah. Congratulations. Thank you. Thank you for speaking with me. I really appreciate it.

37:56 "Rupert Grant, love, love, love, love him." This is my fourth interview with "Rupert Grant" and all four have been about servant one for each season. So that's exciting that, you know, I think now we'll have to have Justin check. But I think now the cast of servant are my most frequent guests with four appearances each on the show. So that's really cool. At IT. So speaking of one of my favorite directors ever, let's get into talking to him live from the red carpet in New York for the servant season four premiere.

38:39 Here's M Night Shyamala. Hey, night, how are you? Good to see you. So you are here for season four premiere. What does that like for you knowing? You know, this is the last premiere for this world. Yeah, I mean, it's a very rare thing to be able to do it. A TV show on your own terms for the entire time and finish it because it was the right time to finish it. And the audience is still at the peak of their love for the show. That's the rare, right? You're leaving when you're at the peak of the audience's love for the show because the story has finished.

39:21 And so that's just a beautiful thing. And the whole thing has been kind of poetic on so many, so many levels both, you know, I got to work with my girls, our girls got to be a part of it, but all the filmmakers that I got to work with from around the world, it just all feels like a dream that I wished to be this way. And if you really, you know, so rarely in life, does it exceed your expectations and this did? For you with, you know, with this world that you've built, would you make that choice going forward to know that there's going to be a beginning, middle? And because that is relatively rare today, is that a choice you're going to be doing from now on? Or do you kind of sometimes like the excitement of maybe it goes wherever it goes?

40:06 No, no, this is a big subject to me, what you're referencing, the idea of don't let opportunity dictate your decisions. That can't be the way. I know that's contrary to the business, but it should be the story and the creativity dictates your decisions. And as we laid it out, it was four seasons. You know, did everyone want to fifth and a sixth and a seventh? Yes, but that's the way it felt. And also what I could give at that level, you know, where I want to put in every sound effect, I want to adjust every color, I want to do every key with a composer. So to do that requires an incredible amount of dedication. And this is as much as I could give without stopping making movies.

40:50 And so I let the process and the story dictate how long the show should be. And so it was a beautiful thing. And yes, we do it again, the same exact thing. You know, you let the story dictates it and we're out. No matter how much money, no matter how much opportunity, you guys will smell that. Yeah. And that is why I've told you this before. That is why I wanted to buy it's one of my top three shows, ever, is because that authenticity that, you know, it's all about the story. And just a side note, I got to tell you, went to the sale. And I got a couple of cool things. I'm like, "I love it." So now I have a piece of one of my favorite shows. So yeah, as a big film buff, and you are too, you know, with that means.

41:33 So anyway, thank you. Congratulations on the success of servant. And thank you for speaking with me again. Thank you. Thank you. Love him. I seriously never get sick of talking to him. I got to talk to him all the time. He's a genius. He really is. And I just can't wait to see what he does next, which is in his case, is called "Knock at the cabin," which is coming out in February. So yeah, there is the footage, the audio, the audio interview from my servant season 4 live from the red carpet experience.

42:18 You can see the videos of the interviews up on the YouTube channel or our Facebook, wherever you want to find them. Or just go to podcast.popcultureweekle.com and you can see them right there. By the way, at popcultureweekle.com, you also get, there's always blog posts going up that I got for you reviews and videos and interviews and all that good stuff. So keep visiting. Please keep sharing and reviewing, reviewing helps on apapodcast. So so much. I appreciate you doing that. It helps us grow. It helps us get greater. It helps us get continued to give great interviews and content, which I hope that I do for you every single week.

43:05 Alright. That's our show for this week. Next week. We have a man called Jason Seagull and the cast of Shotgun Wedding, which I am excited about. So we'll have those out for next week. Let me know what you think of this episode. Hit me up on socials, that came back music on Twitter and Instagram. Real Kyle McMahon on Facebook and YouTube. I will see you next week. I love you. We out. Thank you for listening to pop culture weekly. You're all the latest at popgoldureweekle.com. I'm gonna combine penitanax and servant.

43:50 Because I love them both. I want to live in the house that the turners live in. Even though it's a big creepy. Maybe you won't really observe it, but my favorite show. Yes, it's servant. Dreaming on Apple TV.

44:42 Hello. Is this thing on? They all left. [BLANK_AUDIO]