Deciphering the Dynamics of the Hollywood Strike with Dominic Patten (Deadline Hollywood)

0:00 In this episode of pop Culture Weekly, I'm joined by Deadline dot Com Senior editor Don Patton. We talk all about the strike, I look at summer season, and what we can look forward to this fall in the movies, Let's go. Welcome to pop Culture Weekly with Kyle McMahon from my Heart Radio, your pop culture news, views, reviews, and celebrity interviews on all the movies, TV, music, and pop culture you crave weekly. Here's Kyle McMahon nan nan nan nant, Hello, and welcome to pop Culture Weekly with Kyle McMahon. I of course am Kyle McMahon, and thank you for joining me. I can't thank you enough. Every week you tune in and hit me up and tell me what you think and tell me what you're seeing and what you're loving, what you're not loving, what you're listening to, and I just love it all. You guys are awesome and you make this show what it is, and you're also sharing it. You know, you're sharing your favorite episodes on social and all, and I can't thank you enough for that because that makes us continue to grow. Also, your Apple podcast reviews do huge things for us, So thank you for doing that. If you've done that and if you haven't yet consider it, you know, given on us review and I might just feature your review right here on the show.

1:23 Today. I'm excited because I'm talking to once again Dominic Patton. Dom is senior editor with Deadline Hollywood, which you know, Deadline dot Com is such a huge resource for me and always has been. I go to Deadline dot Com multiple times a day because they have a full staff that is incredibly on top of everything that's breaking in Hollywood, so you know, movies, TV music, they are covering it with in depth reporting. I love Deadline and so I'm decited to talk to dom today about the strike now, going you know into it's what fourth started in May's May, June, July, August, fifth month of the strike, and you know where things stand as they are now when we can expect the artists and creatives to you know, get what they're do and what happens if if they don't come to an agreement, all that stuff. We're going to cover it all with Dom. I'm also going to ask him about, you know, twenty twenty three, the summer movie season was pretty incredible with Barbie and Oppenheimer. Of course, the big Barbenheimer double feature people were doing, which I loved and did myself.

2:43 And what dom is looking forward to this fall. You know, I'm a big horror fan, and so there's some horror movies I'm looking forward to as well as some other titles. So we talk all about that. Let's get right into my conversation with Dominic Patton from Deadline dot Com. I am here with Dominic Patton, senior editor for Deadline Hollywood. Welcome back. Thanks for speaking with me down Oh always a pleasure, my man, me as well. So first of all, as I talk about all the time, I'm at Deadline dot com for breaking news multiple times a day. Obviously, right now, the big news is the strike. What is the status of that as of this recording. I mean, it's kind of all blown up again, Kyle. I mean, you know, you had the studios finally reached out to the Writers Guild, who are the predominant union in this the Actor's Guild SAGAFRO on strike two. But they reached out to them not long after, and I mean literally a matter of hours after my colleague Peter White and I wrote a story about some back channeling that was happening between them all.

3:53 There had been no talks over one hundred and one days, so they had eclipsed the nineteen. The two thousand and seven two was an eight strike which went on for a hundred taste and they said, let's talk. You know, is that quote from the Bible? Come, let us reads them together. Turned out wasn't a lot going on there, a lot of talks, not really a schedule. It was kind of like a day here. They hear that studios made a proposal on August eleven, and they thought it was an unprecedented proposal, and they were addressing all the things that the guild wanted, residuals metrics, in terms of transparency on streamers AI writer's rooms. The whole deal didn't seem to go over so well. Writers Guild respond a little bit attention. So on Monday, August twenty one, the studios and streamers reached out to the Writers Guild and said, we would like to meet with you personally now, we'd like to have a talk. And they really seemed to imply, according to what we hear, that they wanted to make it like enough is enough, let's do this. We're done, like we're to hunt over one hundred and ten days now, writers Gil went to the meeting.

5:08 Meeting turned out to some of the biggest dealmakers in Hollywood like Ted Srrandos, Warner Brothers, Discovery boss David Zaslov, Universal boss Donna Langley, and Disney boss Bob Iger, to name a few who were in the room at this off site meeting. They were not so good at reading the room, it seems. According to the WGA, they were given a lecture about how they should be so thankful for what they're being offered and come on, guys, just go with it and take it. And the WJA said, well, hold on, why you're offering us or what you offered us as almost two weeks ago reads good at the top line or when you get into the details. They referred to a lot of loopholes and limitations and stuff like that, and that's issues that we need to deal with. And these issues need to be dealt with in a comprehensive way. We're not going to pick them off as you guys tend to like to do in your negotiations. And supposedly the studios were adasted that the writers didn't immediately accept what they were offered and feel so thankful and we're shocked. And so last on August twenty second, literally less than half an hour after the meeting was concluded, So around eight o'clock at night, the AMPTP, who represents the studios and streamers in these negotiations, sent out a press release with saying, oh my god, look at this great thing we gave to them on August eleventh, and it's all full of this great stop and amazing and this is incredible. Now, these two sides are supposed to have a media blackout. Obviously at Deadline dot com

6:41 we have sources on both sides and we're talking to a lot of people, so we know a lot about's going on. But officially they have a media blackout. Clearly they did not have a media blackout in August twenty second. So this thing comes out, and again top line looks really good. We're gonna give them all this money, We're gonna do all this stop controls, over all sorts of things, more transparency than ever these confidential memos. But then you go down into the fine print, and oddly enough, the AMPTP included an appendix which had all this fine print, and when you started reading it, a lot of these deals look kind of shaky, defining well, yes you can do this, but who is doing this? What now constitutes a showrunner? All this sort of stuff in there. I'm telling you guys all this stuff because here's here's the punchline. About four hours later, the WGA responded and they basically called BS and said this was not a negotiation.

7:35 This meeting was an attempt to make us cave. To quote them, They kind of followed up on stuff that we have reported earlier that you know the the the strategy of the MPTP is this divide and conquer, hope to turn them against each other and make the writers, some of the writers force their leadership to take a deal just to get a deal. Obviously, a lot of people are hurting economically, both in the industry and all around it Lay County. You know, the guy who provides the red plastic cups for catering, he's not providing them because there's nothing to cater now, the dry cleaners, the guy who provides lumber for the set designers and production designers, that's not happening. So we're seeing a multi billion dollar blast radius here. And the writers are simply saying at this point you're not bargaining with us. You just want to jam us up, and we're not going to do that.

8:24 So it's gonna be really interesting to see where this goes next. Now, you have to always know there are three things that are always true about Hollywood labor negotiations, which I've been covering for about twelve years. In any negotiation, one, nobody gets everything they want. Two, Eventually there is a deal at the end of the somewhere, somehow in my mediator might come in, it might be for us, it might be this, someone might finally figure out a mechanism, but there's always a deal. And the third thing is there's a reason they call this show business and not show friends, and that a lot of these people who are adversaries now, both internally and between the parties or the unions and the studios, will obviously be working together in the future at one point. But I do think that this has become an inflection point now. And I think if there was any notion that there was going to be some sort of quick agreement, and look, I'll add a fourth one to this list, everybody's posturing at some point. I don't think that's going to happen. I think I think the AMPTP really really strategically misread the situation and in releasing that August eleventh proposal, have put themselves in a position where probably the most strident and militant union in Hollywood, the Writer's Guild, has become even more strident and militant in the past seventy two hours or so. Wow. So you know, we're at the point we're almost at four months now. Are we getting to the point where this is going to

9:58 start a I mean, obviously it was always going to affect production and has it's stopped, But are we getting to a point where as consumers we're going to see huge gaps in the pipeline or less content now that we're getting to you know, we're really getting in an extended period here. Well, I mean I think what you're is there going to be dead air on network television? No? Is there going to be drama on network television, not a lot of original drama. You know, ABC will be replaying Miss Marvel, which they debuted on Disney Plus. That's also partially to promote the Marvels movie, which is coming out in November, and that's an important thing Let's remember it's not just the WJA on st right now, it's also the Actors Union sag AFRO. So not only do you have nothing being created anew, but you don't have anyone promoting anything. So when you have a movie like Blue Beetle, which is a groundbreaking movie and especially in terms of Latino representation and what have you, with some big names in it, George Lopez and many others, none of those people went out and promoted that movie. So Warner Brothers are left with a multimillion dollar movie that isn't looking like it's going to recoup anything soon. It's opening weekend was certainly underwhelming, to put it mildly, a few, you know, even Fran Dresser, the head of sag AFRA, said that she now believes that the studios and streamers desire for an extra twelve days in the negotiation with the Actors Union was just so they could promote things like Oppenheimer and Barbie Wow some degree, the Latest Mission impossible.

11:33 So when you look at what's going to be on your screen and what would be the fall season starting in about a month, you're gonna have stuff on your screen. A lot of it's unscripted, You're gonna see a lot of I would say, Chess moves so Miss Marvel on ABC. Yellow Stone, which has been on paramount and obviously on the streaming and very very successful, is now to have its first season on CBS. Lots of moves around like that. New stuff which usually would have been several episodes in the can by now going into a fall season, which usually would have started with production and writing happening in April. May clearly that didn't happen. With the w G going on strike, that's not going to happen. I think we're getting to the point where you might not even be able to really resurrect a mid season slate of dramatic scripted originals, so like seeing Bluebloods come back in January or stuff like that. The saving grace perhaps for linear TV, ABC, NBC, CBS falls one have you is sports, specifically the NFL, which still is alive and kicking pardon the pun, Otherwise it's gonna be thin gruel, I would say, for the most part. Now it's a little different with the streamers. They have stuff in the pipeline and they're not really they're not really held to a standard in terms of the advertising expectations and what have you.

12:54 Though all of them do have an ad tier now, but still even they are gonna see the pipeline is going to start dwindling to some degree. Netflix have obviously been in the forefront, doing a vast amount of international purchases. You know, we joke if you had a show that was being in Spain three years ago, everyone in America is going to see the first two seasons of it on Netflix next year. But I feel like whatever is attracting people still to linear TV that contracts, so to speak, has borderline been breached. And I don't really know. I mean, the NFL is always the great powerhouse and it has been for years. As we've seen linear ratings decline, I don't know if you're gonna be able to get people back.

13:39 Yeah. Yeah, I was reading a piece recently that said, for the first time ever, there was more streaming hours last month than linear television watching hours, which you know, for me was kind of that's like a larn in my head, like, uh, oh, you know, it's finally happened, and it's only going to I would assume, continue to go that way. And as you said, with the NFL kind of being, you know, the only saving grace in the fall for linear television. If if things aren't put together for mid season, I think it's going to be a even bigger drop, you know. I mean, you look now, you might see, you might see. Advantages also emerged because, as that famous expression of former White House Chief of Staff Rama Manuel, never let a good crisis go to way, you know, and c has things like the Walking Dead Darryl Dixon spin off with Norman Ritas, which could attract a lot of a lot of heat. Now, I don't think it'll get back to the numbers of Walking Head, Dead Head and his hey day, but it's certainly, you know, that is all done and in the can Norman will obviously not be promoting that. He can't promote that as a member of SAGABER, but that has possibilities and that, you know. But if you start looking a network, a lot of NFL at, a lot of sports, and a lot of unscripted, you know, a lot of unscripted again, Apple

15:09 TV is going to have season three of the Morning Show with Jennifer Anderson and Reese Witherspoon. That might attract attention to it, but you know, this is streaming. The streaming works on a different a different it works on a different timeline altogether, it's very hard to see. If you see something like season twelve of American Horror Story debuting on FFX in September twentieth, I believe it's very hard to see, like, among all that jumble, how are you're going to attract viewers? And remember, part of what viewership is about is this mysterious cauldron of appointment viewing and kind of flow. So you know, you turn on the TV to watch something at eight thirty that you love Abbott Elementary and you kind of hang with it for the rest of the night, and the networks depend on that to some extent. That's very, very hard to see. Do I think things like the Continental, the John Wick prequel of sort that Peacock is gonna have on September twenty second, Again, it's done. They can't really no actors to promote it, which is gonna make it harder. But it's still there and it's something out there. But again, that's streaming. Streaming has that advantage for now that is going.

16:15 That is going to fade as well. You just can't keep this thing going endlessly, and no matter how many Celebrity Jeopardies or celebrity Wheel of Fortunes, Survivor, Amazing Rays, Massing, etcetera, etcetera, Bachelor, Golden Bachelor, et cetera, et cetera. Eventually someone's gonna want to see an old, an old fashioned procedural and they're not finding it on TV. They're going to go to the streamers. And again, regardless of how this all plays out, if they solved this this week, it's still gonna take at least two months for shows to show up on television. It's gonna hit into whatever scheduling and planning, which is actually a massive deal. And you know, there's kind of the kind of secret underbellue of all this. So you getting to watch the shows that you of Chicago, p D, f D, whatever it is, our blue Bloods or whatever it is you want to watch, that's not even gonna happen anyway. So you're kind of planning. It's like you're planning for a vacation if the weather doesn't go badly, and you know, X factors galore and that. So I don't know, I mean, I don't know. I mean, I think it's a little different when you get to the big screen. But you know, some of those are hard to tell. You know, the Aquaman sequel, Aquaman in the Lost Kingdom, coming out from Warner Brothers, been moved a bunch of times.

17:29 Right now, it's for December twentieth. But you know they're looking at those blue beetle numbers. Yeah, they're they're like, we if we don't have Jason out there in my moment, if we're gonna have Jason out there pushing this or Amber heard or anything, what are we gonna get. We're gonna hope, We're gonna hope people are gonna want to show up again. A little bit of a different thing that's happening with things like for instance, Joaquim Phoenix and Vanessa Kirby in Napoleon, which is gonna end up on Apple eventually. Or you've got the new Martin Scorsese Leonardo DiCaprio movie Killers of the Flower and Moon. Sorry, actually that that one is Apple, which is gonna be in screens and then show up on Apple. So you know, big screen has a little bit of wiggle room because of the new realities. Yeah, but again, no Leo to promote it. Yep. I guess in this case, Martin Scorsese is his own brand, so you can work on that one. But it's very hard to get people into things when the things that attract them, the shiny babbles of celebrity, are no longer part of the equation. Yeah, it's it's quite fascinating and makes at least on my end for creative trying to get creative on ways to keep a celebrity interview show with no celebrity interviews. So that's been fun. But uh, you know, one thing that I think is interesting is that through all this U this summer looks like it the movie season could end up being a four billion dollars season, which would uh take us back to pre pandemic times, which I

19:04 think tells us the power of movie going that I think there was a lot of especially during and immediately after the pandemic, there was a lot of kind of people I feel like scare talking. You know, it's a it's never going back to that and uh, this is the new reality and that sort of thing. And I think Barbie, especially in Oppenheimer and Super Mario Brothers to an extent, have all shown that people will still go and and so I think that's kind of come at an interesting time in all of these negotiations, as as you know, those numbers are showing that people will will generally, you know, still go to the theater if they see a reason too.

19:48 Now, of course, those are both in my opinion, I don't want to say Flash in the Pans, they're incredibly I Oppenheimer's one of my top ten favorite films, and Barbie was amazing. However, you know, those are kind of of lightning and a bottle sort of thing. But I think that's I think that I think you're phrasing is actually really on. Flash did not do so well with my friends after all, the Ezra Miller's scandals after basically like a film that is is a cameo fest. And I'm not gonna give any spoilers, but if you've ever seen anyone who's ever been associated with a DC hero movie, you might be seeing them in this movie. And it's no spoiler to say. The amazing Michael Keaton, the first of the the the the contemporary big screen Batman's shows up. In fact, almost every Batman shows up except Christian Bale and Valcomer. You know, I think, uh, Shazam sequel, Yeah, so much. You know, I think that there there were a lot of these that kind of flamed out.

20:48 And so I think, at the same time as what you're saying, you're the last Fast and the Furious movie did okay? All right again, incredibly big name, heavy, cop heavy. I'm wondering if amidst all all this, with the strikes and the changes in our viewership, and let's admit, as you said earlier, streaming has become the predominant medium, and it has, and whether or not you want to argue if it ruins our collective experience, or you want to be honest with yourself and say, hey, studio executive, I don't know about you, but the last time I was in a movie theater, there were three guys like on their phone the whole time. There was popcorn on the bottom of my shoe. I couldn't hear the thing half the time. You know whatever, There's some realities, and you actually think that's a whole other argument that needs had about the future of cinema, Like why aren't the cinemas cathedrals of art as opposed to like, you know, seemingly closets and shopping malls. You know, I think that you might see something interesting happen with The Equalizer three, which of course has the amazing Denzel Washington in it, who is a multi generational star. And you know, you just have to see a picture of Denzel smiling and you're you're pretty much going to be promoted into that movie. But I think that all these changing habits are occurring. One thing when you look at movies, at least you know, and this is a pithy analysis of it, but franchises are failing. Brother, Yeah, they really are Barians of the Galaxy three Bowing three and it didn't made it. It made it. But like if you really look at what made it this summer, and you know, if you want to call Barbie a flash in the pan or Oppenheimer lightning in a bottle, but these were original things. You know, what Greta gerd would

22:22 did with with with Barbie, what Christopher Nolan did with Oppenheimer. You can have legitimate discussions about the values of that, the pros and cons, but you are talking about a form of artistry. I feel like we might come out of this with a very different landscape for the big screen as well. And it might be one that is not so superhero friendly anymore. Yeah, yeah, I find that, you know, what you're saying extremely interesting, Barbie. You know, n Oppenheimer are such original besides, you know, besides the fact that they are first meaning it's not a franchise per se.

23:02 They are extremely original films from you know, the cinematography, I mean, everything about them is amazing. And I hope that Hollywood does take notice to that because I hear all the time from listeners and readers and stuff that you know, they're getting fatigue. And I know people have been saying about superhero fatigue forever, but but it's I feel like what they're really saying is it's they want more original stuff. They want more creative stuff. They don't want cookie cutter stuff all the time. And I hope that that I hope, you know, executives take note of that because it has been a very interesting time this summer with what's worked and what has it. But I mean, here part of the question is, though, can they You know, Hollywood is built on many things, but stability and longevity are one of them.

23:56 To make a film is a three year process, often at best, and that's the fast tracking right, So you've got this stuff. I mean, The Flash is a great example. Ezra Miller was involved in so many scandals that by any other definition it was a career killer. Yeah, but he is literally often twice no spoiler meant. But you know the film has been out for a bit, so you know, often twice in every scene of the movie. So at a two hundred plus million dollars budget, what are you gonna do? Like, this isn't Kevin Spacey in playing John Paul Getty, you know, pull him out and bring Christopher Plummer in. Right, This is Ezra Miller is the Flash. The movie is called The Flash.

24:37 He's in it all the time. So you're kind of you're kind of stuck. You gotta go with it, like you can't pivot fast enough to change this. So I think that that's also part of it is there's still gonna be at least another year of this odd, uncomfortable and perhaps unprecedented friction in terms of what's actually getting people in theaters. You know, the Last Mission Impossible did not save cinema like the way the Top Gun sequel did with Tom Cruise. Ever before, to see how something like Napoleon or Killer Moon does, which are if you use the criteria that we're talking about, you know they are original. I mean, I know there's been other movies about Napoleon and what have you, but let's be honestly. I mean this is basically, you know, this is eighteenth century Gladiator. You know, even with one of those same actors from Gladiator, so you know he's playing, he's playing to his strengths. But where the original content whether or not you know you're interested in the Emperor Napoleon or not. But will that work? Or was Oppenheimer like well that just Oppenheimer was the counter programming to Barbie. There was this great symmetry where you saw, you know, Greta Gerwig and Margot Robbie holding up Oppenheimer tickets as well, like people are kind of like, just get the cinemas open, get people in. Is that going to continue?

25:56 I mean, Napoleon and Killer Moon are are both Apple properties. Ultimately, how does Apple promote that? And also then to a certain degree, how much does Apple really care? Yes, they want an oscar for Coda. Yes, they have a pretty muscular streaming service with some really great shows, some of which everybody knows. Ted Lasso some of which people forget about, like for all Man time, but now ay where they make their box buddy, Yeah, you know, I people like, you know, if you buy a new Apple phone, you get Apple TV for like I know, a year for free or something like that. Like they're about products, you know, And they're now moving obviously into into a VR range that might leave Facebook slash Meta in the dust. So that's a whole new landscape.

26:41 And then you got to consider that with all these talks and all these negotiations. One thing that was very interesting about two thousand and seven two thousand and eight, the writers and feels like ancient times if you think about it. But if you remember back then, you could go onto iTunes and download a movie. It took like five hours to do it, or five days. We could download a TV show, right, I remember once downloading I don't people remember it Studio sixty on the Sunset strip. Oh yeah, yeah, after West Wing And I was in Europe with family in the summer of two thousand and eight, and so before I left New York too, that I downloaded like most of that season of that why I bought it and downloaded of Apple right again, I left my computer, went away for a day, came back. It was there. So but in two thousand seven, two thousand and eight, the Writer's Guild, one of their major sticking points was this notion of what's all that going to turn into? Like, clearly, it's not gonna stop with someone buying a show for four ninety nine. There's more to this. And of course the more to this was Netflix and then Amazon and then everybody else with streaming and streaming. But coming where you're at, so I wonder with a lot of talk about AI and how that is planting seeds for another revolution, which it may or may not. It's always hard to tell with new technologies. But the other element of this is what about things like virtual reality and the metaverse and what have you? Like, are you let's say, the cinemas pick up on what we're putting down, they say, you know what, Donnic and Kyla, Right, we gotta fix these up. We gotta have grown ups in there, not teenagers who

28:11 don't care. We got to make sure these are beautiful places. The food's got to improve, the quality of improve. We got to make sure no one's on their phone, watch out for acts of violence. Blah blah, blah blah blah. Right, they do all that, and then you and I get these little lie sets and a headphone we put on and we just experienced Star Wars for real in the back of a tie Fighter in our own living room. Yeah, you know, yeah, And suddenly all those extubuters are like, we can't give this stuff away. Yeah. Yeah, It's a very very interesting time. And actually thinking about the future, not as far as that, but the fall. What do we have to look forward to to the fall? I know, I'm looking forward to some of the horror films that are coming out, and American Horror Stories, you mean, like I mean like Saw X. I'm looking forward to the Nun too.

29:03 I'm a huge Conjuring Universe fan. I love any horror and of course I'm looking forward to the new installment of American Horror Story, which see how that turns out, and and uh, the both of the Apple Films movie. Yes, yes, that those I'm excited about that. What do what do people have? You know? What are we What are the big things you're you're thinking is going to hit this this fall? Well, I'll start on the big screen. I'll move to the small big screen. Killers of the Flower Moon, Indo DiCaprio, Robert de Niro, Monin Scorsese, Holy Trinity of American Cinema. I would say The Exorcist Believer because I love the Exorcist movie. Yeah, Ordinary Angels with that Hillary Swink, I think it is going to be very interesting. Remember, Killers of the Flower Moon will be in theaters and then it will be on Apple. Napoleon from Ridley Scott with Joaquin Phoenix and Vanessa Kirby. Really looking forward to that. Never really understood why people are into Napoleon, but always understand why people are into Ridley Scott.

30:03 And that again is also gonna be in theaters. It's gonna be on a small screen. I think the new Ava da Verne film based on the Isabella Wilkinson movie cast doesn't have a date yet, doesn't have a distributor, debuting at the Venice Film Festival. But Ava is always an interesting, groundbreaking filmmaker. This is her first return to the big screen in several years, having moved mamily into the television. I mean winning shows like When They See Us, So that should be very interesting to see. Sofia Coppla's Priscilla, I mean, I know we got Elvis last year. But I gotta tell you, I think the Priscilla's story slightly they also based on tragic current events in her life and her family's life, could be the more interesting one. I think that, as I said before Equalizer three, because it's Denzel dude.

30:45 Absolutely, I think those are some really really interesting ones, interesting to see. You know, we talk a lot at Deadline, especially our box office maestro Anthony dallas Sandro, about you know, where is the tipping point that the labor strife could bring. For instance, if the Dunes sequel is moved, if Aquaman and the Lost Kingdom are moved again, that's gonna show. Okay, this is a write off this year, you know. So I think things like that are really out there. So those are ones I'm really looking to. There. There's a new version of The Color Purple obviously well you know, coming out on Christmas, musical version hopefully. I think those are good. You know, we talked a little bit about some stuff.

31:26 I'm I'm a big Walking Dead fan, so I'm into Walking Dead, Darryl Dixon. I'm basically like, what took you so long? I'm also into We Don't you know when it comes out? The one The Machine and Rick Rimes want a mini series that is gonna be Yeah, yeah, is that this fall? I think so. I think I think that one's also or maybe early next year. But you know, again, these are also movable feasts. Yeah, American horror story always interests me, you know, even if it's even if it's just a hate watch. Yes, I think I think those are those Some of those are fun. I think. You know, there's gonna be a new season of Top Boy on Netflix, season three, which is the final season, so I'm into that. So there's The Boys spin off gen V, which is coming I believe at the end of September on Amazon. You know, I love the Boys. I just think they're amazing. So let's see where that goes. So I think there's a lot of stuff out there. The question is is you know, is it you know there's another yet another one of the Power franchises coming out, Power Force. The question is, like anything in this era, and we're still in the era of PETTV. But if it doesn't seem like it right now, it's finding all this yeah, you know. Yeah, recently we had the third and final season of Reservation Dogs, which isn't quite over yet, but almost. Reservation Dogs one of those acclaimed shows around, though snubbed endlessly at the Emmy's. But amidst all this, with the labor strife, with the industry shifts and change and stuff like that, it felt like, unfortunately, this incredibly original show got overlooked because we're just trying to all figure

32:59 out where this goes. Yeah, you know, I like to use my uncle Steve and my Auntie Rose, who are in their eighties now. I often use them as a barometer because they don't know anything. They maybe they know who Ted Serrando's is, but they don't really know any of these guys are right. They know some guy runs Disney, but they don't know who these people are we talked about all the time. But for them, there's some real stuff at real shows they love, like Blue Blood's right, and when to them when that's not on, when when their man Tom Saleck is not coming back. That feels like a disruption to them, and not the type of disruption that corporate types love to brag about. So then you find yourself, I think, in a situation and this is the greatest unknown of all of this. At what point do you lose people. Yea, at what point does TV or cinema become a CD? And you're just like, I don't do CDs, dude, They're not even good coasters anymore. I got Spotify, I got Amazon, I got Apple Music, I got five hundred million songs in my phone. Why would I buy a CD? Yeah?

33:59 You know, someone go go with sound quality and you're like, I listen to it on my adphones. Dude, it's compressed. I don't care, you know, Like, if that's what you're worried about, you clearly have never heard of the entire history of radio, you know. So it's it's the Chinese have that expression, you know, I hope you live in interesting times. But interesting times doesn't always mean interesting in the good way. Yeah, it also means interesting in the unsteady way. And I think that that's where we're at here. Whether or not these technologies end up being used for what they think they're going to be used for, etcetera, etcetera, I don't know. But what I do know is that there are a lot of storm clouds from the strikes, to the change in technology to AI to viewing habits, to the monetization because people aren't making the money they want to.

34:45 I mean, now, the streamers are so expensive. I did some maths recently. They've all hyped their prices so much. If you have the majority of the streamers now it's like you're paying for cabling. It's like a lot one hundred bucks, right, So what's funny You're like, why don't Hey, this is like we got cord cutting and we're gonna have We're gonna have broadband cutting soon. People are just gonna like, look, I want my Netflix and my Disney for my kid, and that's it. I'm done. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that that's actually another episode I want to talk to you about in the future is how much you know, when do we cut it off? Because of how much everything's going up? Thank you so much for speaking with me. I as always, and as I say this all the time, I'm checking deadline dot com multiple times a day because it's breaking news twenty four hours a day, seven days a week.

35:36 When do you rest? I sleep when I'm dead? There you go a dominic Patton, Thank you so much. And of course, uh Deadline is the destination for everything that is going on in uh in you know, entertainment Hollywood, behind the scenes, in front of the scenes, everything. It is the one stop destination and I can't thank you enough for speaking with me. Thank you my friend Dom Patton. Love having him on the show always. I mean, he is just a wealth of knowledge. That's why he is senior editor Deadline Hollywood Deadline dot Com. Once again, Thanks to Tom for joining me, Thank you for listening. Get like I said, look pop culture weekly. You know, I am one person and I do the content myself. You know, I'm lucky enough to have people that help me get it out there and all that stuff. But I'm a one man show in that regard, and so there's no way I can cover even a fraction of the stuff that a Deadline does. And that's why they are my go to source. I love Deadline, always have. I use them, like I said, throughout the day, multiple times a day to see what is going on, because they're breaking the news of you know, pop culture, what's going on in Hollywood. So dead dot com. Thank you. Thank you to Dom once again. We'll have him on again, of course,

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