Caleb Landry Jones & Jojo T Gibbs (Dogman) & Black Oxygen

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In this episode of Pop Culture Weekly, I talked to the stars of the

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brand new film dog Man, including
Caliblandri Jones, and Jojo T. Gibbs.

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Plus I talked to the amazing brothers
of Black Oxygen, the great band

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with a brand new viral hit.
Let's go. Welcome to pop Culture Weekly

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with Kyle McMahon from iHeartRadio your pop
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Weekly. Here's Kyle McMahon. Na
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Welcome to pop Culture Weekly with Kyle
McMahon from iHeart. Of course,

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I am Kyle McMahon, and I
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hanging out with me to discuss all
things pop culture. We have a great

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show for you today with awesome interviews. We I'm saying, wee like there's

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a whole bunch of me, there's
only me. I talk with Caleb Landry

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Jones and Jojo T. Gibbs.
They star in the new film dog Man,

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which is a new film from Luke
Bassan written by Luke Insane. Movie.

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So Luke, if you for some
reason don't know, is a French

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filmmaker behind such incredible films as lefem
Nikita, The Messenger, The Story of

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Joan of Arc, The Fifth Element, Lucy Valerian in the City of one

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Thousand Planets, Leon the Professional Taken
with You know Liam Neeson. He's got

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Dracula a Lovetail coming up next,
which I am really excited for. But

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his brand new film is dog Man. Dog Man. It is insane,

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but like in a great way.
So it's about this man Doug, who's

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arrested while driving a truck full of
dogs. And Doug is played by Caleb

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Landri Jones. You then meet Jojo
T. Gibbs who plays his psychiatrist Evelyn,

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and she's sent to interrogate him,
and then through flashbacks, he tells

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the story of his life where he
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batshit insane and I love this movie. It's really really great and it is

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out Depending on when you listen to
this today, well I guess no matter

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when you've listened to it, it's
out today, but it's well worth your

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time. So I talk with Caleb
and Jojo from dog Man and then and

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first up I talk with the boys
from Black Oxygen David and Nick Lyle.

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They are brothers. They are incredible
guys that you just want to hang out

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with him. David is singer,
lead guitarist. Nick does drums, keyboards

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obviously vocalist as well. They've released
three studio albums and one EP so far,

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but they are currently making huge waves
with their reimagining slash cover of the

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classic song butterfly By originally from crazy
Town. The video on YouTube, which

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you can check out at the link
in the show notes, has over three

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million views already. It is crazy. You know, it's been at the

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top of the Apple charts. You
know, it's awesome, really really great

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song. I love it and I
love their videos too, and they're very

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hands on with everything that they do. So we're going to start out with

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the boys of Black Oxygen. Let's
get it. What's up. Kyle McMahon

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here with iHeartRadio pop Culture Weekly Weekly. I am here with Black Oxygen to

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brothers David and Nick. Thank you
for joining me. I really appreciate it.

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Thanks for having us. We're happy
to be here. Thank you for

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taking the care in our music,
of course. So we're going to get

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into this single that's been blowing up. But I want to go back for

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a minute first, if you don't
mind. From what I know of you

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guys, you got your start with
a kind of battle of the bands,

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right, that was kind of like
what shaped the future for you? Is

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that right? Yeah, we did
a battle of the bands where you're up

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in Kansas City. We lived here
for ten years. But we did a

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guitar competition that I won first place
as well. And then there was a

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producer that got our music, flew
us out to la with Jamie Fox in

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the studio, so got to really
soak up the vibe, meat a lot

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of music contacts and put out records
of our own and and you know,

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we got a many top Billboard hits. And then we have a world famous

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first place barbecue, sauce, Waltz
and Walmart. They came after the music,

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and yeah, we did this this
new butterfly and that's a really cool

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story. And and then like now
things are taken off to a whole new

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level. It's I really appreciate that
blessing. And now there's like all the

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major labels hitting this up for deals
and stuff. So it's that I guess

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you could say that's that's the nutshell
of the career and start to tell today.

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Well, and you had, you
know, you've had what I think

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with your last album twenty nineteen,
you had a number one, number one

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song on the rock charts, right, Yeah, that was most added Billboard

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mainstream Rock. There was even a
song and video on there with the friend

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of ours Tech nine. I don't
know if you know who is. Yeah,

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of course video legend as well,
and uh, you know a lot

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of a lot of great collaborations.
Uh. There either was a video on

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that particular album, The Times of
Our Lives that a friend of ours,

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Danny Treo, was in a short
film out of one of this song's Life

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is Beautiful as well. So he's
amazing. Yeah, he's a legend.

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Yeah, he's cool. So there's
been a lot of cool things. I

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mean after we put that record out, the Barbecue Sauce came out with the

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Food Network Chef Stretch. So things
have things have just you know, taken

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taken the growth with you know,
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in the hours and pushing every day, pushing, yeah, yeah, pushing.

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And I got to ask, how
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Like, how did that happen.
That's so amazing. You know, we're

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from Kansas City and it's a huge
barbecue town. But basically the owner of

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this restaurant, and he's a food
network guy as well as named Stretch.

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He was a fan of our band
and he was liking our posts and stuff

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like that. So David hit him
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let's do something together. He was
like, let's do a barbecue sauce.

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So we took a week and built
a recipe and got it out there and

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they put it in competitions. It's
in different stores and restaurants and it's just

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it's done really well. It's been
a lot of fun. Yeah, what's

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awesome? Any like notoriety from it? You know. And Nick is one

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of his best friend's father used to
be Wolfking Puck's secondary chefs and so Nick

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has a lot of great, great
chef skills. Nick I just always love

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food. So we turned in it
was like, this is actually really amazing.

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He wasn't just saying that. He's
like, I just don't bullshit around

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and and so they we didn't think
anything of it because we didn't know they've

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been They put in some competitions,
but It won a couple of years back,

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fourth place by the National Grilling and
Barbecue Association. Just six months ago,

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one a first place to another major
competition for best place use using it

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like on pork sandwiches. There won
this other festival, zest Fest, in

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third place. So it's it's kind
of like it's our second place, second

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place. It's taken a life of
its own, and it's in also a

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great business to have, I mean, let alone music. So what's it

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called being in barbecue sauce? You
get it? I love that? Yeah,

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Walmart online or black auction, muse
dot com. But it's a lot

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of it's like in cheals online,
different spots carret in the country. So

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that's so cool. I'm a huge
barbecue fan, so I'm going to like

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go get it now and test it
out. Yeah, I love it.

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So now you have this big hit
that from a classic song from you know,

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Butterfly, and you guys not only
did your own cover of it in

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your own way, but you had
Shifty himself join you on the song.

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How did that come about? The
way that it came about was we performed

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together like whatever four years ago and
he's like, hey, you guys,

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have really great music. Let me
give you my number, and he said

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that we're doing a big tour across
Canada in twenty nineteen and I'd like to

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take you guys as direct support.
And there's like whatever fifteen shows or whatever.

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So we did that and we were
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know, working together doing these shows
and having fun, you know, getting

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to know each other. And he
had at that point he was he thought

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it was really cool. We had
a song with Tech nine and we worked

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with Danny Treo and Billboards and he
said, I see he's been following you

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guys. So he had followed us
over you know, through covid through the

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next couple of years, and he
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still still working hard, and everything
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pace. So we had a podcast
we started called Inspiration Podcasts Black Auxtion Inspiration

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Podcast. We've had like our friend
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Danny Treo and so we had him
on and Shifty Shifty. We had Shifty

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on and he was at our spot
and he kind of teased in there about

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like he's been you know, interested
in someone to remake a more current version.

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He's had a lot of offers over
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but he hasn't felt the right moment
to do it. So after that we

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were hanging out, and then he
said that that's the one one gift in

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his life that God has really blessed
him with where he could still go anywhere

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in the world. And I thought
he had said it was like platinum and

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sixteen countries b the day, but
he I remember he said it was number

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one on Billboard when it came out, But he said that still today.

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I mean, that's the that's the
song that keeps him alive because he still

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gets paid every month off its and
movies and TV still. So he just

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said that, he said, I'd
like to give you that guys. That

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give you guys that song, and
then just I would like to hop on

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it with you guys. You could
carry it on to the next generation.

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But when it came to making it, it was all the same vibe because

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like you know, it's like our
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hip hop elements and stuff. There
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know, I'd say pop. And
he said that if we're going to do

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it. He specifically wanted to be
pop for the new generation, for the

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new kids to love. And then
same with the video. He's like,

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if we're going to do the video, he wanted to have at least one

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jungle scene room like in the original
video. Yeah. So yeah, we

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put that out and then yeah,
it's only been whatever three and a half

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months ago or something as over three
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It was number It was number twelve
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when you go to the app on
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he was really happy about it,
and we were really I was thankful to

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be given that gift because you and
I both know, like, that song

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is one song that I would say
it's realistically one of the biggest songs in

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history. I mean probably top couple
hundred or hundred. So yeah, yeah,

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you could throw a rock to pretty
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ten are going to say, oh
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the words. So to have that
gift was very cool. And he's like,

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many people have hit him up over
the years and he just said,

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you guys truly deserve it and so
I was like, man, I'm very

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humbled and yes, we accept,
let's do it. So we had a

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lot of fun doing that that project, and I will be forever grateful for

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that gift because not everyone gets a
gift like that, and that that came

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out all of a sudden. We've
had, you know, different hits of

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our own and stuff. But after
that, it's like, okay, you

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know, everyone come. It's come
calling, all the you know, the

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the the Warner, the Universal,
the Sony, and everyone's offering these major

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a major deal now. So we're
actually in the process of picking one of

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We've got all the contracts lined up
and we're looking at picking the best one

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here soon because we've been in the
studio writing our best album we've ever done,

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called Last One Standing, and three
months straight. Yeah yeah, pieces

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of art on it. You know, we've you know, we've been working

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on it and we've already sent it
off and they're like, well, this

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is amazing. So we're going to
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uh and I can't wait for you
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hear our new album and tour and
everything like that. Yeah, do you

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have a date on that yet.
On the album, there's not an official

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date, but we're going to be
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deal we're going to go with,
and then that will determine. Yeah,

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we've already said. They've already said, okay, well we all really want

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you guys. What is it exactly
that you want. We're willing to work

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with you guys, because every one
of them said, we look back through

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your stuff, and nowadays it's pretty
clear a lot of the labels, you

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know, with music hard times,
a lot of them are have less staff

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and everything, and they don't develop
artists. They want the done package.

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And they said, you already have
the track record of hits on your own,

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with past managers and past investors and
stuff. We've built this thing like

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a machine. So he's they like, you guys have the music videos,

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you've got albums, you've got a
great presence on social media, great great

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numbers. And they said, you've
done the collapse. You have entrepreneurs,

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you have barbecue sauce. We just
open up a clothing line with a partner

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on Sunset Strip in La. So
they're like, they're like they they see

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a they see a a let alone. The music a big business feature.

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So on their ends, I could
see, like, you know, they're

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going to look at it like half
music and half business. And that's something

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where we have a lot of fun
doing because we're on point. You got

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to be on point and everything to
make it work. You know, you

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can't just one thing. You got
to be a master of everything to make

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it. Because we've made it single
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the two of us. We write, produce, mix everything, all of

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our music, you know, everything, we build the graphics to the arts.

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Nick does it all make the business
calls? I mean, we've managed,

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managed, managed all of our you
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finest everything, all on our own. It's just the two of us.

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So they're like, they're like,
that's really impressive because the first thing when

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they heard the new album, they
were said, what studio did you guys

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do this? Producer? And I
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and that's a whole DUDEO. That's
what I like about the chemistry is you're

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getting two organic chemistry out of two
related brothers. And because we play all

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the instruments and everything on it.
Yeah, what is it like I got

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to ask you, you know,
do you find it harder or easier that

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you are brothers and working together constantly? You know, I feel I feel

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like in some and again this is
me talking for you, so correct me,

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but I feel like in some instances
it's like beneficial, like you guys

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know each other like the back of
your hands. But then I also feel

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like maybe you're more comfortable to butt
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I think there is a little bit
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you know, we just have the
ability to communicate so well because we've

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spent our whole lives together. It's
like there's if there is a little bit

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of butting hands, I think that, you know, we can let each

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other get away with more than we
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of the day, it's just like, hey, I don't I think that

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this should be this way. It's
like, oh you really think that?

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everything's super easy, and at the
end of the day, we know we're

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always working towards the same unified goal. Yeah, at the end of the

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day, it keeps there's one goal. It's like to keep going to the

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top. And it's not about you
know, money or fame or anything like

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that. The biggest point we want
to make is to inspire the world.

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You could be whatever you want to
be if you work hard. So it's

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like it's like uh pushing positive Yah, yeah, I never it's all about

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the best product, the best best
we could do. At the end of

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the day, it's like I think
if you go, you know, a

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lot of people don't go the extra
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that extra mile and and and and
that's why I wouldn't say it's luck.

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I would say it's because of hard
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So it's it's been uh, it's
been really neat to see a lot of

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the things open. And later in
this October or November, there's going to

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be thirty days. We just did
a deal to be in our first feature

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film, so it's company that just
actually brought us on. We did a

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contract with Gum Media Partners. If
people look them up, they've done Stallone's

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Rambo, Last Blood, Nicholas Cage's
Primal, Zoe Kravitz film, like eight

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or nine really big movies. And
the producer, the president, he was

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like, Hey, I love your
guys' music. Let's put you guys in

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a movie. I see you guys
in your videos. You could be movie

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stars. We can do this.
So there's a full script. I can't

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say the name of it yet,
but there's U and I can't say the

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name of the major actors, but
there's some major A lists. They're going

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to be there with this in the
movie, and we're going to be filming

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it this October November thirty days,
most likely in Louisiana. And they have

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us literally playing ourselves in the movie. To me thriller, And I was

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like, how many How often does
that happen where someone gets to play themselves

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because they just wrote it about these
two music guys and and and and so

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it's kind of fun. It works
out. Be yourself, We know your

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guys personalities. The guy that wrote
it knowses. And sorry, there was

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a weird emoji that popped up when
you did that. Yeah, they they

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wrote us as ourselves, and uh, I'm excited to do it and I

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and I can't wait for that as
well. So just a lot of things

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are on the up, you know. And you said it's like a thriller

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like horror or it's a music thriller. Uh, okay, less than horror,

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but yeah thriller. Okay, it
sounded really really cool right now.

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obviously a huge movie fan. So
I'm always interested when musicians are built into

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a project. So like, it's
a project about to musicians. So I'm

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like, my ears are peats,
you know what i mean. Yeah,

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So I'm excited to hear more about
that when when you're allowed to talk about

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it, So what is next?
So you're going to be looking you know,

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you're gonna be deciding on you know, which label, Which is an

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incredible place to be and by the
way, to be able to say,

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we get to decide which label we
want to go with, and you're going

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to be deciding that coming up soon. That'll lead to when you get a

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hard date for album, and then
you're gonna are you gonna tour with the

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release of the album or you're gonna
tour You're you're going to set the dates

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anyway, And we've been talking with
our our legal team. In the next

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month, we're going to pick the
deal. We've got all the contracts lined

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up, and then from there we've
already said, hey, we want to

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release it this date. I don't
want to say it because I don't want

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it to be a hard thing,
but yep, but I wanted to come

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out during summer, and the the
the main video to come up during summer,

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and then there are different shows to
come from there as well of different

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tour dates and just you know,
I think that the summer is always like

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the coolest time to release music because
people it's it's more sunny outside and yeah,

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windows are down, but that's that's
really the plan is. There's a

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there's a big plan behind the release
and all the marketing and ideas that I

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have for all the videos and stuff, and then from there it'll kind of

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we got to this will be the
busiest year of our entire life. And

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so then after this is done,
we've got all this mapped out for all

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the video shoots and the making and
all this stuff like that album. And

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then come time November, there's gonna
we'll have to train for this film about

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a month out. Then we'll shoot
it for thirty days and then then everything

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will be on the up and then
we'll go in at the start of twenty

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twenty five and cashing for the next
bigger deal. You know, absolutely,

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you mentioned luck. You know.
I always hate when people say to me,

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oh, you're so lucky or whatever, like, because there's a bit

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of luck in it, but you're
I feel like, and I don't think

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people say this on purpose, but
like you're negating the hours and hours and

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hours that they don't see that we
put into whatever it is we're doing,

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you know. You know, so
it always bothers me personally when somebody's like,

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you know, you're so lucky that
you get to do that. No,

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ruh, I mean a little bit
of his luck. But I you

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know, slave over this, you
know what I mean, Like you're sleeping

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and I'm on my laptop at three
am, you know, trying to think

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of or organize or whatever for the
next month. So like, like,

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like, iHeart is one of the
coolest radio stations to be a part of

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in the world. You know,
you worked hard to get there, yeah,

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right, right, And and yes, you know, there was a

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bit of luck in how I came
to it. I didn't go to broadcasting

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school. I was doing videos,
you know, YouTube videos and pod casts

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and stuff, and I had done
a series of Oprah Oprah's Life Class,

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a show that she had on own. I ended up doing like six episodes

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with her, which was that that
probably was luck that that happened. But

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but then from there I decided,
you know, I want to keep doing

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content for millennials and and you know, make videos for self improvement and stuff

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like that. And then I started
interviewing celebrities where I would have long form

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conversations with them about their craft.
And it wasn't so much as let's,

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you know, hype up this latest
project as it that was a part of

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it, but it was more like, tell me about why you're an artist

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and what drives you and that sort
of thing. And they started popping off

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and then the opportunity came up with
iHeart and I'm like, I didn't are

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you sure you want to talk to
me? Like I didn't go to broadcasting

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school, I never you know,
didn't do college radio or anything. And

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they were like, yeah, like
what you're doing with video and podcasting and

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all is you know what we're looking
to get into. And so but then

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I came in here and I,
you know, the one thing I always

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say, you know, I'm not
the best at anything, but I will

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outwork anybody. And and you know, I'm obviously generalizing there, but like

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obviously there's tons of hard working people
here. But the one thing that I

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can control is how much I put
in, you know what I mean.

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I can't control what somebody's reaction is
going to be, or if I'm going

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to get a deal or not.
But I can control how many hours I

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put in and how much I put
in, which is probably, as you

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guys know, kind of you know, with as much hands on as you

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are in your careers, can also
be a detriment sometimes because it's hard to

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turn it off, you know,
but it's so important, you know.

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I think it goes with many creatives
that there's that side that people don't see.

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All the years that you've hustled,
you know, all the years and

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I'm making this up for you,
but I've done free shows and to anybody

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that would listen to you or whatever
to get where you are today, you

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know, and that journey I always
feel like, exactly, it's it's never

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an over. You know. Somebody
said something about you're like an overnight success

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at iHeart, and I'm like,
what like overnight success for the last fifteen

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years. Maybe if you're considering that
overnight. I can tell you're great too.

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I mean this, you have great
vibes. This is actually this is

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one of the favorite interviews I've done
a long time. Oh, thank you,

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thank you so much. I hate
interviewing, and what I mean,

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I love talking to people. I
hate interviewing, so like I don't.

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I'm not the type who will,
you know, do que cards and all

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that stuff one, because I'm horrible
at it. I'll be like, how

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did you like record it? You
know, It's like that's so. So

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I generally only talk to people that
I enjoy their work and I want to

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know more about them. And that's
just more organic for me because I'm curious

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about what you're doing and why anyway, you know what I'm saying, And

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so I do love what I do. And similarly, similarly, similarly,

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you know, I get that vibe
from you guys that you're doing it because

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you love it, and whether you
make a dollar or one hundred million dollars,

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you'd be doing it anyway. You
know. That's right, that's right.

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You know, it's all about just
the crap, you know, making

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the music and all that stuff.
I really enjoyed the process from making the

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music, shooting the videos, making
the you know, meeting great friends along

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the way, and it's it's all
about, you know, just it's it's

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a good time and you know with
you too. Like with interviewing on so

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many greats in the in the world, I was curious. One of my

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questions for you while we're on here
was who was who would you say was

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one of your like top most enjoyed
interviews you've done, Like, oh,

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I've seen you've done some really cool
people. I checked you out before you

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hopt on here. Oh thanks,
I you know, I've done like so

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Robert de Niro. So I generally
don't get nervous Robert de Niro. I

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was nervous for not because it's like, oh my god, it's Robert de

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Niro, which, oh my God, it's Robert de Niro. But I

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was nervous because before I went into
the hotel, you know, they production

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had it set up in the hotel
in a hotel room, and before I

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went in, I had too much
time to think before it was call time.

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And I'm like, oh god,
like I say, Robert d Niro,

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like that wasn't good for me to
have that idle time, and so

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I started getting really nervous, and
I was wearing crocs because I'm not I

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went to Catholic school for twelve years, and I swore when I graduated that

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I was never wearing a tie and
a suit coat and you know all that

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again except for weddings or funerals,
and so far I've been able to stick

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to that. But so it's just
me. So I'm wearing crocs to interview

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Robert de Niro because I wear crocs
like everywhere or slides or whatever. And

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he's like sitting like this, and
he's, you know, looking at me

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as I walk in, and I
see he kind of looks at my shoes,

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and I'm thinking of Jesus, He's
probably thinking, you're interview to here,

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You're here to interview me, and
you're wearing freaking crocs, And so

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I kind of was like, oh, I wore my you know how crocs

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have the you can like do the
yeah, yeah, sport modes. Yeah.

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So I was like, oh,
I'm wearing my fancy crocks for you.

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I was like, later, these
will be my casual crocks. And

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he started cracking up, and that
kind of like just broke the ice for

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everything and it ended up being an
awesome interview. So, I mean that

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was huge for me professionally and as
a big movie fan fan Mike Posner,

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who I absolutely love and I've gotten
to spend a lot of time with him.

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I went to do a couple of
days with him on his walk across

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America, and he came and we
did a like a forty five minute long

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form interview about his entire career in
life, and that is probably my favorite

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interview because of how real I feel
like he was. He you know,

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how nitty gritty we got into being
a just a creative and he's so honest

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and truthful and wears his heart on
my sleeve like I feel I do that

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we just had such a great connection
that that's probably my favorite interview, probably

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my favorite. That's all very cool. How about for you guys, You've

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been interviewed by tons of people.
What's what's been your favorite besides obviously me.

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I mean, we've had a lot
of a lot of great interviews.

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It's you know, to be totally
honest, there's been so many. Yeah,

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I don't remember exactly at the top
of my head, you know,

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I just know that in real time. This is one that I really enjoy

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and and that makes me think too
about interviews. Is like to everyone that's

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a lot of people will see this, everyone that's watching this too, you

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know, I want to let everyone
know in the world that we appreciate you

408
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checking out the new Butterflying. Sure
keep watching it up, streaming it up.

409
00:28:44.359 --> 00:28:48.559
And there's like all types of new
merchandise on Black Auction Music dot Com.

410
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We just we just did a clothing
deal with this spot, the embroidery

411
00:28:52.559 --> 00:28:55.720
Studio and sense that this guy designs
for like Taylor Swift and a lot of

412
00:28:55.759 --> 00:28:57.799
these big icons and he's he's like, I see you guys are going up.

413
00:28:57.839 --> 00:29:02.119
I'd like to be a part of
your er. So he's back clothing

414
00:29:02.160 --> 00:29:06.480
line and he does like these really
high end clothing fashion pieces. He was

415
00:29:06.759 --> 00:29:08.680
you know, like two months ago. You know, he's he like,

416
00:29:08.799 --> 00:29:12.920
we started working on this really deeply
after talking about it, and we got

417
00:29:14.119 --> 00:29:19.319
a few pieces dropped for the Butterfly. So that was that was another dream

418
00:29:19.680 --> 00:29:22.440
come true. It really of Nix
to Nicks always loved fashion, you know.

419
00:29:22.880 --> 00:29:26.279
Yeah, that was a lot of
fun. Yeah, And did you

420
00:29:26.319 --> 00:29:30.440
ever think when you guys started out
like not only would you be doing music,

421
00:29:30.599 --> 00:29:34.960
but you know, a clothing line, a these awesome videos with you

422
00:29:34.960 --> 00:29:40.200
know, some incredible artists, you
know, doing a song blessed by the

423
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Man himself, you know, doing
a a kind of reimagining of a classic

424
00:29:44.960 --> 00:29:49.599
song. You know, a actual
movie and you know barbecue saw. I

425
00:29:49.599 --> 00:29:55.720
mean, did you ever imagine in
your head like this is what that's going

426
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to look like. I never I
never imagine, Like an exotic clothing line,

427
00:29:59.240 --> 00:30:03.119
I never imagine, and a barbecue
sauce. I never knew the barbecue

428
00:30:03.119 --> 00:30:06.240
sauce at all. That was totally
random in real time, and you know,

429
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and then they came up, and
then there's a cool factory which produced

430
00:30:10.920 --> 00:30:15.200
in the Midwest, like just being
going to see it even and then you

431
00:30:15.240 --> 00:30:18.319
know all these other things that come
from it. It's just really the blessing,

432
00:30:18.359 --> 00:30:22.079
the cherry on top, you know, like the blessing. Yeah,

433
00:30:22.119 --> 00:30:26.519
but it's all, uh, it's
all a very special thing to you know,

434
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part of it. And I always
knew. I always didn't know just

435
00:30:30.559 --> 00:30:32.799
since I was a kid, somehow
in some way that I was going to

436
00:30:32.799 --> 00:30:34.599
be in a movie, because I
always I love watching movies. That's I'll

437
00:30:34.640 --> 00:30:38.240
watch movies all the time, like
if I'm free. It's always inspiring to

438
00:30:38.960 --> 00:30:44.240
you know, like The Dark Knight
with Christian, like The Joker, that

439
00:30:44.400 --> 00:30:48.839
acting and there was always that's my
favorite movie still today. That yeah,

440
00:30:48.960 --> 00:30:52.119
just one of my tops. It's
so good. But we did our we

441
00:30:52.160 --> 00:30:56.960
did our our acting training and everything
for two years and buying the scenes in

442
00:30:56.000 --> 00:31:00.039
his school and we you know,
you learn all these techniques and you know

443
00:31:00.079 --> 00:31:03.839
how to get to the dark places
and how to you know, you know,

444
00:31:03.880 --> 00:31:07.200
practice the script correctly and everything like
that. So you know, behind

445
00:31:07.240 --> 00:31:11.119
the scenes, we really put in
our work. It's just we've had different

446
00:31:11.160 --> 00:31:14.440
opportunities, but you know, you
want to present yourself in the best way

447
00:31:14.480 --> 00:31:17.480
possible. So it's like when this
film came up and they said, okay,

448
00:31:17.480 --> 00:31:21.519
well you're not going to be the
fiftieth on the call sheet, You're

449
00:31:21.559 --> 00:31:23.200
not going to be an extra walking
in the back of the cafeteria. I

450
00:31:23.200 --> 00:31:26.720
mean, this is you guys are
going to be like top the top in

451
00:31:26.759 --> 00:31:32.079
the top four actor leads in this
and there you guys with these other stars.

452
00:31:32.119 --> 00:31:34.559
So it was the perfect opportunity so
to like sign off and be like

453
00:31:34.599 --> 00:31:41.119
okay, because that'll just bring in
more and more opportunities and yeah, yeah,

454
00:31:41.480 --> 00:31:45.799
magic, I love it. David, Nick, thank you so so

455
00:31:47.000 --> 00:31:51.200
much. I can't thank you enough
for speaking with me. I'm excited for

456
00:31:51.319 --> 00:31:55.839
you know everything. It's like you
guys keep hitting peaks that and then you

457
00:31:55.880 --> 00:31:59.119
go to the next higher pe you
know, it's it's an enjoyable ride to

458
00:31:59.160 --> 00:32:01.279
watch. I love the song,
I love the success for you, and

459
00:32:01.400 --> 00:32:06.160
I'm gonna come see you when hopefully
you'll hit Philly this summer. Sounds great,

460
00:32:06.240 --> 00:32:08.839
it sounds great. Look forward to
meeting kicking in person sometimes so absolutely

461
00:32:09.119 --> 00:32:20.799
absolutely cool. Thank you guys,
U Black Oxygen. David and Nick are

462
00:32:21.000 --> 00:32:24.599
amazing, such great guys. I
really am going to go see them when

463
00:32:24.640 --> 00:32:30.359
they perform on tour this summer.
We've got all their links in the show

464
00:32:30.400 --> 00:32:34.039
notes. I can't wait to get
their barbecue sauce too. You know I

465
00:32:34.079 --> 00:32:38.200
love me some barbecue sauce. So
there you have it. Black Oxygen love

466
00:32:38.240 --> 00:32:43.000
those boys. All right, we're
gonna take a break to pay the bills

467
00:32:43.240 --> 00:32:47.359
from our advertisers. Stay with me
and I'll see you in sixty seconds.

468
00:32:49.200 --> 00:32:52.720
All right, welcome back. Thanks
for letting us pay the bills. We

469
00:32:52.799 --> 00:32:59.079
love our advertisers. They allow me
to continue bringing great interviews with people like

470
00:32:59.359 --> 00:33:06.480
Black, Oxyjin and Caleb Landry Jones
to you and then you and I get

471
00:33:06.480 --> 00:33:09.920
to talk about it on social So
thank you for that. So I talked

472
00:33:09.960 --> 00:33:14.599
a bit about dog Man at the
top of the show, and you know

473
00:33:14.640 --> 00:33:21.440
what it's about. I talk with
the stars of dog Man, including Caleb

474
00:33:21.680 --> 00:33:28.039
and Jojo. So Caleb is besides
an actor, is also a musician.

475
00:33:28.119 --> 00:33:31.880
But he played Banshee and X Men
First Class, Jeremy and Get Out,

476
00:33:32.039 --> 00:33:37.599
Love That Red, and Three Billboards
Outside Ebbing, Missouri. He played Caleb

477
00:33:37.640 --> 00:33:40.599
in The Last Exorcism, which I
loved. He was in The Florida Project

478
00:33:40.680 --> 00:33:45.359
as Jack, which you know,
geez, I was a very early supporter

479
00:33:45.480 --> 00:33:49.240
of the Florida Project back when that
came out. I talked with the you

480
00:33:49.279 --> 00:33:54.519
know, the filmmakers behind it and
of course some of the stars and love

481
00:33:54.799 --> 00:34:00.519
that unique film. In his latest
he is starring in dog Man as Douglas,

482
00:34:00.559 --> 00:34:04.680
so I talked to him as well. Oh, and he was in

483
00:34:04.720 --> 00:34:07.760
the Twin Peaks like addition, Twin
Peaks, The Return or whatever as Steven,

484
00:34:07.880 --> 00:34:12.960
which at some point I want to
do a whole episode or two on

485
00:34:13.159 --> 00:34:19.320
twin Peaks because wow. But anyway, so there's Caleb and then Jojo T.

486
00:34:19.679 --> 00:34:25.159
Gibbs. She plays Haiti Hattie,
the lead role in the series twenties

487
00:34:25.280 --> 00:34:31.679
on be Et and now she stars
in dog Man as Evelyn, and she

488
00:34:31.760 --> 00:34:38.480
has a very interesting and juicy role. So I'm exciting excited to talk to

489
00:34:38.519 --> 00:34:44.239
them. Let's get right into it. Caleb Landry Jones and Jojo T.

490
00:34:44.360 --> 00:34:46.440
Gibbs. First of all, thank
you both for speaking with me. I

491
00:34:46.480 --> 00:34:52.039
really appreciate it. Oh, thank
you. Of course. I love the

492
00:34:52.079 --> 00:34:57.960
film. It is powerful, crazy, I love it for both of you.

493
00:34:58.559 --> 00:35:04.960
What drew you to two dog mat
Luke beson one hundred and twenty three

494
00:35:05.320 --> 00:35:10.880
Dogs? And how about for you
Jojo? Well, I got the audition

495
00:35:12.320 --> 00:35:15.760
really hastily, and I read it
real quick and saw, of course Lucasan,

496
00:35:15.840 --> 00:35:19.000
and then I saw Caleb's name and
I was like hell yah, like

497
00:35:19.159 --> 00:35:23.559
I definitely hope I get this role. And yeah, that was that.

498
00:35:23.559 --> 00:35:29.199
That's not all it took for me. Really well, Caleb, you both

499
00:35:29.199 --> 00:35:34.320
are incredible actors, and you both
do incredible performances in the film. Jojo,

500
00:35:34.400 --> 00:35:37.400
you play the therapist. That is
kind of bringing out this story,

501
00:35:37.519 --> 00:35:42.840
and Caleb, you play the person
who is you know, telling their story.

502
00:35:43.000 --> 00:35:45.480
And I mean this with one hundred
percent love and as a compliment,

503
00:35:45.559 --> 00:35:52.360
Caleb, but your performance is batshit
insane in an amazing way. What is

504
00:35:52.400 --> 00:35:59.840
it like to play a character who
is so complex and layered and insane in

505
00:36:00.599 --> 00:36:07.159
so many ways? I was probably
I'm focused on the little things, like

506
00:36:07.880 --> 00:36:14.440
one foot in front of the other
foot real as soon as I start thinking

507
00:36:14.480 --> 00:36:21.559
about it kind of emotionally or with
any real intellectual, you know, anything,

508
00:36:22.039 --> 00:36:27.960
I start to get away from something. But so Luke gave me a

509
00:36:28.000 --> 00:36:34.159
lot of things to kind of get
in my head and to play with and

510
00:36:34.199 --> 00:36:37.880
spend time with. And so I
was doing those a lot. I was

511
00:36:37.920 --> 00:36:43.679
doing all those things, and then
we would shoot the film. But it

512
00:36:43.760 --> 00:36:49.400
wasn't until Jojo arrived, and we'd
never met each other, and Luke kept

513
00:36:49.480 --> 00:36:53.800
us separate when when she when she
arrived, and so the first scene we

514
00:36:53.840 --> 00:36:59.280
did we hadn't met each other.
But the way Jojo is playing Evelyn,

515
00:37:00.519 --> 00:37:07.519
what Evelyn is in the film for
Douglas, what he's able to share because

516
00:37:07.559 --> 00:37:15.280
of who she is, is really
because of her as a as an as

517
00:37:15.280 --> 00:37:21.639
an actor, and uh, and
and as the character. But and this

518
00:37:21.760 --> 00:37:25.599
got into I feel like this is
where the discovery, if any discovery happened

519
00:37:25.599 --> 00:37:30.159
for myself or something. There was
something that happened in these three days with

520
00:37:30.400 --> 00:37:35.760
Jojo over this time where ah,
you're right, mmm, well what about

521
00:37:35.760 --> 00:37:40.400
guilt? Well, guilt is d
d who cares? And I found myself

522
00:37:40.480 --> 00:37:46.079
reasoning and not reasoning, and and
uh and Evelyn saying some things that would

523
00:37:47.639 --> 00:37:51.519
Okay, that's tough. You're right, but is it murdered? No,

524
00:37:51.760 --> 00:37:55.159
it's not murder, but maybe it
is. And it was nice to be

525
00:37:55.280 --> 00:38:01.400
confronted suddenly with these things because I
don't think Douglas is in the way that

526
00:38:01.480 --> 00:38:07.159
we are as an audience, you
know, you know, judging him based

527
00:38:07.199 --> 00:38:10.719
on his actions. So that was
a little convoluted. No, No,

528
00:38:10.840 --> 00:38:14.679
I love it and uh, and
you know, I think it speaks to

529
00:38:15.039 --> 00:38:21.679
the complexity of the character and of
the film. Thank you both so much

530
00:38:21.719 --> 00:38:24.440
for speaking with me. I can't
wait for everybody to see Yes and me

531
00:38:24.599 --> 00:38:37.719
keep talking. Shoot, I need
a great recommendation. Hella Lensrey Jones and

532
00:38:37.800 --> 00:38:44.320
Jojo t Games. Dog Man is
out right now. You gotta see it.

533
00:38:44.320 --> 00:38:47.480
It is incredible. His batshit in
saying that's all I could say.

534
00:38:47.480 --> 00:38:52.360
I don't know how else to describe
it, but it is amazing. Luke

535
00:38:52.599 --> 00:38:59.840
San never fails to amaze and make
incredible art. Black Oxygen too. You

536
00:38:59.840 --> 00:39:04.199
can check out all of their info
on the show notes. Let me know

537
00:39:04.239 --> 00:39:07.280
what you think of Black Oxygen,
let me know what you think of dog

538
00:39:07.400 --> 00:39:10.840
Man, and of course my interviews. Send your hate mail and your love

539
00:39:10.920 --> 00:39:16.400
mail and your comments to whatever it
is you're watching or consuming, listening to

540
00:39:16.800 --> 00:39:21.960
whatever, let's talk about it.
Let's talk pop culture. We got some

541
00:39:22.000 --> 00:39:24.280
great stuff coming up next time as
well, So I'll see you then.

542
00:39:24.840 --> 00:39:29.039
I love you, see you next
week. Well, thank you for listening

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to pop Culture Weekly. Here Paull
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