Oct. 30, 2024

Andra Day, André Holland (Exhibiting Forgiveness; Julie Bowen & Bruce Campbell (HYSTERIA!)

In this episode of Pop Culture Weekly, Julie Bowen steps out of her iconic "Modern Family" shoes and into the 1980s satanic panic with her new series "HYSTERIA!," alongside horror legend Bruce Campbell. Dive into the thrills and laughs of this...

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In this episode of Pop Culture Weekly, Julie Bowen steps out of her iconic "Modern Family" shoes and into the 1980s satanic panic with her new series "HYSTERIA!," alongside horror legend Bruce Campbell. Dive into the thrills and laughs of this unconventional blend of horror, comedy, and psychological tension, now available on Peacock. As Bowen embraces the challenge of exploring new acting territories, Campbell shares why this intelligent series captured his interest, with its authentic backdrop and witty script, promising a unique treat for horror enthusiasts and casual viewers alike.

Pivoting from the supernatural to the deeply personal, join Kyle McMahon for an inspiring set of conversations with the creative minds behind "Exhibiting Forgiveness." This film, featuring the talents of Andra Day, André Holland, and John Earl Jelks, marks Titus Kaphar's transition from celebrated contemporary painter to filmmaker. Titus shares his journey and the powerful autobiographical elements that influence the film’s exploration of themes like fatherhood and forgiveness.

Discover how the film resonates with the black community, shedding light on universal truths and human complexities through its compelling narrative.Forgiveness emerges as a central theme in their discussions, explored not just as a narrative element but as an ongoing and transformative process.

With Andra Day, they unravel the significance of crafting enduring art that challenges perspectives on fatherlessness and the pivotal roles women play in family dynamics. Andre Holland and John Earl Jelks delve into their personal connections to their characters, revealing emotional depths that enhance their performances. Through these stories, we emphasize the importance of empathy, understanding, and the healing power of new relationships. Join us for these enriching conversations that blend storytelling, art, and personal growth into a powerful listening experience.


Kyle McMahon's Death, Grief & Other Sh*t We Don't Discuss is now streaming: https://www.deathandgrief.show/Chapter-One-The-Diagnosis-AKA-WTF/

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In this episode of pop Culture Weekly, I talk with

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the horror icon Bruce Campbell and Julia Bowen all about

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their series Hysteria End the incredible cast of the incredible

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film Exhibiting Forgiveness, including Andre Day, Andre Holland, John Earl Jelks,

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and the creator, producer, director himself, Titus cat Far.

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Let's go.

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Welcome to pop Culture Weekly with Kyle McMahon from iHeartRadio

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your pop culture news, views, reviews and celebrity interviews on

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all the movies, TV music, and pomp culture U Crab Weekly.

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Here's Kyle McMahon.

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No, no, no, Hello, and welcome to pop Culture Weekly

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with Kyle McMahon. I of course am Kyle McMahon. And

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this episode, you know we're in spooky season, but this

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episode has got some spookiness and it's also got some incredible,

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incredible interviews, both from the spooky part and the dramatic

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art part. I speak with the cast of Exhibiting Forgiveness,

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which you've heard me talk about. This film. It stars

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Andre Day and Andrea Holland and gen Earl Jelks. It

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is directed by, conceived by produced by the incredible Titis Kafar,

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and we're going to get into that. I also talk

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with horror icon legend scream King maybe the one and

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only Bruce Campbell himself. I also speak with Julie Bowen,

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and I speak with Julie and Bruce about their new

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series Hysteria, which is available exclusively on Peacock. The series

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also premiered on sci Fi and USA Network on October eighteenth.

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But it is a wonderfully crazy, horror filled show about

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the satanic panic of the eighties and a quarterback disappears

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which causes whispers of like, you know, the occult in

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the town and satanic influences, and this heavy metal band

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called Death Crunch decide to kind of capitalize on it.

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It is really funny, it's really scary, it's a great show,

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and I mean it's got freaking Julie Bowen, Modern Family

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Queen Claire Dunfee herself, and it's got the one and

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only Bruce Campbell. So like, you can't go wrong with

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either of those. So let's start up first with Julie Bowen.

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You may know Julie from her incredible work, Emmy winning work.

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She's won multi, multiple, multiple Emmys for her two hundred

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and fifty episodes as Claire Dunfie on Modern Family. She's

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awesome and I love her in Hysteria. So let's dive

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right into my conversation with the one and knownly Julie Bowen.

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Thank you so much for joining me, Julie, I really

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appreciate it.

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Thank you, Kyle. It's a pleasure.

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Pleasure is mine. So first of all, I love I

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love Hysteria. I'm a huge horror film film buff, horror buff.

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I'm a huge comedy buff obviously, and this, I feel

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kind of beautifully marries so many genres here. What was

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it that you that drew you to the project?

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I think exactly what you just said, the fact.

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That it's not straight horror. You know, I don't love

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straight horror. I don't love like gruesome things. This felt

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very psychologically terrifying and fun because the aspect with the

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music in the eighties, and I love that sort of

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mash up between the pop thriller and the psychological questioning

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of this woman's sanity.

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That was the fun part for me.

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And did you you know it's interesting that you say

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that because looking at your film, you know, your filmography,

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your body of work, you have who be Halloween and

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you know, the the kind of genre projects that you've

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done are not really or none of them are straight

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up you know, horror or whatever. They all have some

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kind of element of something else, you know, and so

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that is purposeful for you.

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Yeah, very much.

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So.

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I mean, I was lucky enough to play a sitcom

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mom for eleven years, and I love Claire Dunfi and

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always will. But as an actress, you do want to

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do something different, and you also are I'm taking a

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huge risk. But when I read the pilot for Hysteria,

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I thought, oh, she's a mom and the kids have

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all the fun stuff. And then when I got to

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the end of it and realized, oh no, there's so

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much fun stuff for Linda. It's just very unexpected that

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I thought, I think maybe maybe the audience can go

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along on that journey. It's hard sometimes for people to

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see characters from popular sitcoms take on a different role.

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They're like, why are you doing that?

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My dad could not was very mad that Sophia made

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herself ugly for Griselda, and he said.

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Oh, tell her.

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So sometimes it's hard for people to see you outside

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of a role when you've done it for so long.

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But I feel like this one.

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It subverts itself, but I think I think the viewers

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will go along for the ride.

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So do I. And you know, of course you've won

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two Emmys for your role, and obviously congratulations, but but

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I do find it interesting and I think it's it's

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necessary when you have, you know, actors, creators in general,

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that that you need to kind of spread your wings

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sometimes and and it'ch another or what's it, scratch another itch,

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you know, or and so you've done that beautifully. And

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I love the mish mash of you know. I love

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the nostalgia the eighties thing and the marriage with the

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music and and the fears that were very real throughout

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many periods of history with this satanic panic and all

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of that, and it really, you know, kind of smartly

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melds so many numerous things to work as an excellent series.

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You know, Thank you, I mean you just you said

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it all. Do you want to do the rest of

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my interviews today? Yes, it is. It is not horror.

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It is it is a real genre bender, and I

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hope that invites a lot of people into watch, even

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chickens like me who are terrified of a jump scare.

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This is not this is not.

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Straight horror, it is not uh straight comedy, but it

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really does blend a whole bunch of elements and it

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does give me a chance to yeah, scratch a different.

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Inche speaking of jump Scares, was it. Did anybody ever

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try to scare you on set?

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The ibers ever tried to scare me purposely?

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Or my children?

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And then I play their iPads when they were little,

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and they know now when they come into the house,

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they if they go, Mom, it's me, Mom, it's me

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as they walk to the whole house because if they

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scare me, I am I am done for about an hour,

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Alan DeGeneres loved scaring.

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Me, loved it.

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Didn't love it. I love Ellen, but didn't love that. No,

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they would not.

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I was.

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They knew how it was kind of hard to be

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as crazy as as Linda is, and it was psychologically trying.

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I don't know, I'm going to punch them.

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I love that that your you know, fellow actors and

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crew and everything recognized that and and you know, left

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you alone for this project.

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Yeah, when you see the last two episodes, you'll understand

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what I'm talking about. But I get put in some

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positions as an actress and as a character that were trying.

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None of that was cgied.

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And when you see, Oh God, I hope they were

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nice to you at the end of the day, and

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they were very nice.

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Thank you Julie so much. It's a pleasure to talk

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to you. I can't wait for everybody to see Hysteria

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so I can talk about it with people.

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Great. Thank you, Kyle, I appreciate it.

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Thank you, have a good day. Thanks Julie Bowen. Love her.

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She is hysterically funny and I love her in Hysteria,

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which you can write. Watch you can watch right now

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on Pea Cock or USA or sci Fi. So all right,

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next up, horror Icon. Bruce Campbell has been on my

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bucket list of people I want to interview for since

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I was a kid, and he's best known for his

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role as Ash Williams in the Evil Dead franchise. He's

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also been in Maniac Cop, Bubba Hotzap, The Adventures of

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Briscoe County, Junior, Hercules, The Legendary Journeys, and zena Warrior Princess.

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He played Sam Axe in burn Notice on USA for

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Like years and years, and he's done so freaking much, books, movies, games,

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TV series, all of it. He is a horror icon

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and industry icon, and I am so excited to talk

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to the one and only Bruce Campbell. Thank you so

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much for joining me, Bruce, I really appreciate it.

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Thanks Guyle.

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It happened to be in the neighborhood that i'd step in.

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I love it. So, First of all, congratulations on Hysteria.

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I really love the series. I love how it genre

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bends and it's so enjoyable. What drew you, the legendary

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Bruce Campbell to Hysteria.

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If it's horror, I get real picky. I get pick

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here as an old guy. But with horror, I'm real picky,

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and it has to be it's the words, you know,

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as an actor, I would do a movie called Maniac Cop. Today,

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when I do the movie, I don't know, I don't know.

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But in nineteen eighty whatever, Yeah, let's do a movie

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called Maniac Cop. So your taste change over time. So

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in this case, if it's horror, you know, the agent's

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tends the script it's horror comedy, blah blah blah. And

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I was like, okay, sure, you know you read it

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because they're submitting it. And look, it's it's NBC Universal.

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This is Peacock Burn. Notice, Hercule, I actually do have

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history with these with these people, so I'm like, let

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me take a look. And the words jumped out of me.

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I played the chief of police of this small town

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in eighties Michigan, and I'm from Michigan. I knew Michigan

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in the eighties. I knew small towns. So it really

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was authentic and it was a fresh approach. And I

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thought it was written kind of for adults, if that

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makes any sense, rather than just trying to go for

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simple quick scares or you know, cheap whatever.

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It's good.

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There's a lot of psycho horror, and the psycho horror

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is the best kind because you don't know. You're like,

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is it real or is it not real? And my

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character has to do the same thing. Is it real

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or is it not real?

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Yeah? Yeah, And it really is such a pleasure, you know,

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obviously I'm a horror buff, and it's such a pleasure full,

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pleasureful watch. You know, it's the eighties aesthetic, the marriage

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with the music, everything just kind of beautifully blends into

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plays and there's so much, especially today, so much horror

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content and horror adjacent content and genre content that that

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I watch anyway, But but you know, this really truly.

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I would say it's it's kind of a mixture. I think, yeah, yeah,

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I mean it's kind of a mixture of you know,

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you know it does You're right on the money. It

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kind of mixes in and out. You know, it's it's

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it's very well done. And that that's why I love

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it so much. And it plays up when the you know,

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the satanic panic and that you know, there's so many

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elements going on there that that really just make it

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enjoyable for not just.

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You don't have to make up the satanic panic. It

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was real, right, meaning the panic was real? Right, Yes,

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was the satanic part of it real? That that's for

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theologians to debate. But very few court cases of actual

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demand they have had they came up with a phrase,

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you know, demonic something something possession or demonic. They just

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there's always creeps doing bad things to children, right, there's

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always going to that's not gonna change. But a lot

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of things got rolled up into that that weren't that

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and so it The complaint that a lot of officials

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had is that diverted time and resources away from actual

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problems that children were having, rather than dealing with all

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these perceived problems of my kid's going to be taken

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away into a satanic cult and brainwashed and all that.

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So it's fun, we you know. And small towns, by

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the way, small towns aren't current. So this is set

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in the eighties. It really is the seventies. Small towns

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are an extra decade behind. So this is a good

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town to do this with. If you're gonna mess with

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a town, as we'll mess with a small Michigan town

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in the eighties because they're not ready for this.

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Yeah. Yeah, and let me ask you quickly. Any update

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on the Evil Dead franchise.

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last one made the most money I ever made of

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any of the Evil Dead movies, so we'd be kind

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of idiots to not pursue that. So, yeah, we have

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I love it, can't wait and I can't wait for

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everybody to see Hysteria. It is so good. And I'm

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saying that not just as a horror buff All, the

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horror buff should watch it. But it's just a great series.

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It really is, and it's perfect for this time of year,

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and I love it. So thank you the legendary Bruce

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Campbell Hysteria exclusively on Peacock. Thank you, sir, Thank you

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Bruce Campbell. I cannot believe that I interviewed Bruce Campbell

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Ash himself, Ash Williams. It's just like a dream come

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true for me. You have no idea, So I'm so

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excited about that. Let's take a break real quick, and

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then we're gonna shift gears and and discuss the incredible

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new film Exhibiting Forgiveness with Titus Kafar, Andre Holland, gen

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Earl Jelks and Andre Day. Will be back in sixty seconds.

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we're shifting gears here for the back half of the episode.

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Exhibiting Forgiveness is such an incredible film. It is conceived, directed,

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by produced by Titus Kafar, who Titus is an incredible,

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incredible artist. He is an American contempt pray painter. He

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deals a lot, primarily, i would say, with black subjects,

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African American subjects, and some of his paintings are in MoMA,

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Yale University Art Gallery, the Seattle Art Museum, Brooklyn Museum,

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and more all over the world. He kind of rose

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to prominence with the Vesper Project, which was a fictional

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about a fictional black family in the nineteenth century that

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is able to pass for white, and so all of it,

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all the entire project, paintings, multimedia, is all this incredible

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installation where you could walk through this nineteenth century house.

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It's really really just mind boggling how his brain works.

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He's so so just he is art. This is his

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first feature film, you know, his directorial debut, Exhibiting Forgiveness,

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and he lined up quite the cast Andre Holland, Andre Day,

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John Earl Jelks, and Andrea Ellis Taylor who we had

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on a few episodes ago. But basically the film revolves

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around this black artist who's kind of rising to prominence

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and then his success is, you know, threatened by the

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return of his long absent, problematic father and what comes

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from that, and it you know, it looks at how

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family and close relationships can affect every part of our lives,

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whether we realize it or not. And so it's just

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an incredible, incredible film. I know, I keep saying it's

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an incredible film. It is an incredible film, and please

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go see it. So we're going to start with Titus

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himself and he can set the tone for the rest

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of our interviews. So let's just jump right into my

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interview with the one and only Titus Kofar. Thank you

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so much, Titus for speaking with me. I really appreciate it.

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It's nice to meet you, Kyle. It's nice to meet you.

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Nice to meet you as well. The film is absolutely

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incredible you and your body of work, you know, I

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wonder I know you've done a short before, but as

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a narrative, you know, feature writer, director, this is your first.

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Why was this story important for you to tell, Kyle.

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That's a really good question.

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This was the story to tell because of my sons. Man,

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I have two boys. My oldest is seventeen, my youngest

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is fifteen, and my seventeen year old is going off

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to college next year, and his whole life, I'd been

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telling him, I'll tell you a little bit more about

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my past.

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I'll tell you a little bit more. I'll tell you

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a little bit more when you're older.

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And well, he's definitely old enough now, and so I

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felt like this is a perfect time to sit.

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So it didn't initially start as a script, you know,

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It's started as me trying to figure out how to

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tell my boys about their dad. And I would wake

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up in the morning about five o'clock. I would start writing,

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and then i'd go to the studio and I would

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listen to what I wrote. I have this app on

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my phone that allows me to listen to what I write,

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and so all of the script became painting at the

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same time.

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So when I was done, I.

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Had a whole narrative, and then I had a whole

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series of paintings as well. By the way, those paintings

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are on viewing Beverly Hills at Gogojin Gallery up until

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If you happen to be around awesome. Thank you and

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how much of this for you? How much of the

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film is autobiographical, if any.

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So much of the film is autobiographical, you know, once

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you take it from that narrative, that personal story, and

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you put it in the script form, a bunch of

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things change. My mother, thank god, it is still alive.

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It's my grandmother who passed. The character in the film

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is a conflation of my mother and my grandmother, because

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they were both put should be towards this idea of forgiveness.

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I stepped on that nail before I got to the dump,

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not at the dump. The scene that happens upstairs happens

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in my studio, not at the gallery.

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So there are little things like that.

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The character of the wife is very different, but there

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are things like that that are different, but fundamentally the

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truth of the.

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Narrative that is based on my story, and.

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You know, it's so brave of you. I did a

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series of shows called Oprah's Life Class with Oprah and

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told my story about my father who had left before

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I was born. So, you know it, while it's very

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different in many ways our stories in that regard, there's

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also so many similarities and father less ness in many

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ways whether it's a completely absent father from the gate

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or an absent father for chunks of time or whatever.

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Their lessness is such an epidemic in this country. And

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it's always for me it was important as a man

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to tell that story. And I think it's so brave

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of you, uh, And it's it's it's brave of anybody

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to tell their story, but particularly as a man when

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it relates to your father. And we're dealing with this

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epidemic of fatherlessness, particularly from boys, and and particularly in

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the black community. It is vital that we have strong,

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positive people that are brave enough to go and say,

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this is who I am, and this is what happened

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to me, and and I'm learning from it and making,

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you know, changing those behaviors for that I could see

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or patterns or whatever in myself. So it's better for

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my children, you know.

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I mean, that's exactly that's that's that's the whole point,

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right there, man, you you said right there.

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I feel like for me, it was about the next generation.

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It was about my kids, about making sure that I

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was not passing on these same kind of burdens to them.

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It's a story that is heavy. Sometimes I'm not gonna lie.

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It is heavy sometimes, but ultimately this is a film

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about healing, and I think that healing comes through our children,

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comes through in this film. It comes through the strategy

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of making art and using that art and bringing the

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hope of that to the children. I wanted desperately to

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make sure that I didn't make the same mistakes that

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my father made, and what it took for me to

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come to that was recognizing that, in fact, my father

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was not a villain. My father was a victim of

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the circumstance that he was brought into when his father

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was just as challenging to him. I'm writing this film

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and going through this process gave me a compassion for

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him that frankly, I never had before. And the idea

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of forgivingness and this film is one that's different from

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what I had before, and probably different from what people

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think of when they generally think about forgiveness. This is

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not a story of forgiveness where we say to you, yeah,

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you give forgiveness and then enter back into a place

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of danger where this person could hurt you in this way.

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Again, it's not that it's not that I've watched so.

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Many people, particularly my mother and my grandmother and my

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aunties go back into situations give forgiveness and end up

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in the exact same situation again.

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In this film, what we're.

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Talking about is kind of forgiveness that allows you to

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be able to release your burdens, to be able to

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put the stuff that you're carrying down so that you

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can move into your own future. And that may mean,

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that may mean I say I forgive you, I release

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you of whatever debt that you have, but I'm going

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this direction, and it seems to me that you're going

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that direction, and that is Okay.

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Wow, that's so powerful. Thank you for that. And you know,

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I do think as you're saying that, it makes me

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realize that forgiveness does not at all have to mean

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things are back to normal, or we're amazing and we're

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going to hang out, or I'm going to call you

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every day or anything as you're saying.

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I want to speak to that for just a second,

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because I think there is this notion of forgiving and

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forgetting and I think it's dangerous. And the reason I

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think it's dangerous is because what we do is we

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tell victims to pretend like it never happened, just forget

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it and I don't think that that is actually healing,

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that is just pretending. I don't think that forgiveness has

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to mean that.

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You have forgotten.

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If you have completely forgotten, then how are you going

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to learn that life lesson? You have to remember some

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aspects of it so you do not repeat the situation

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again in the future.

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I am.

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I'm not an advocate of the idea that we just

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forgive and forget.

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And then we go have a beer.

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There are situations where that's the right context, but not

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in every context, and as the person who is harmed,

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it is your choice as to how you go about

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that process.

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Yes, yes, that's so powerful, and more of us need

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to remember that, not just with huge heavy issues like

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a father or a mother, but toxic friendships or relationships

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or work or whatever.

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So my friend Christian A.

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Smith, he says, forgiveness requires a renegotiation of boundaries, and

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that doesn't have to be with a father, or that

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could be with a friend.

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I can say I forgive you and unfriend you.

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I can say I forgive you and we still need

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to break up. I can say I forgive you, but

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I'm going this way, And as I said, seems like

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you're going that way and that's okay, that's not what

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we talk about. We find ourselves pushed into these situations

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where we're like, I must forgive this person. I must

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forgive this person. And the reason that that's difficult is

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because what we're saying to ourselves is I gotta pretend

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like this thing that actually was harming, that did damage

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to me, I gotta pretend like it didn't actually happen.

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That's the only way that I can be back in relationship.

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I don't think that's the right way to do it.

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I really don't.

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I that's perfectly said. You know, it's interesting to me

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that for somebody like you or myself, that, particularly with

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the father angle, you know, there's this inherent desire, at

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least for me, that you want that father in your life.

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You know, you want him to be there. And I

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had to get to a place that I learned with

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a Miss oh Oprah and Miss Yanla, that that it

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00:27:03.359 --> 00:27:07.359
was never about me. It was never an intentional decision

460
00:27:07.400 --> 00:27:09.640
on his part to say I'm going to hurt the

461
00:27:09.720 --> 00:27:13.920
sperm because I wasn't even born yet. You know, it was,

462
00:27:14.200 --> 00:27:18.720
as you're you're saying, a victim of his own circumstances

463
00:27:18.759 --> 00:27:23.079
that he was unable to be there, and it seems

464
00:27:23.599 --> 00:27:28.359
very much similar to you in that he had so

465
00:27:28.559 --> 00:27:31.039
many of his own demons and things that he was

466
00:27:31.079 --> 00:27:35.000
suffering from. That it wasn't you know saying Titus, I'm

467
00:27:35.039 --> 00:27:39.440
going to intentionally hurt you. It was he didn't know

468
00:27:39.440 --> 00:27:41.799
any better and was trying to survive.

469
00:27:42.640 --> 00:27:45.400
But I think I think you're dead on with that.

470
00:27:45.599 --> 00:27:46.599
I think that.

471
00:27:48.599 --> 00:27:52.319
We live this life and for those of us who

472
00:27:52.359 --> 00:27:58.000
have gone through this issue of fatherlessness, sometimes God, the universe,

473
00:27:58.839 --> 00:28:03.640
circumstance or Quinns brings into your life a kind of

474
00:28:03.759 --> 00:28:07.720
figure that is not your father, but there to help

475
00:28:07.759 --> 00:28:11.279
you learn some of those lessons. You got to keep

476
00:28:11.319 --> 00:28:14.799
yourself open to that. You got to pay attention to that.

477
00:28:14.839 --> 00:28:18.880
If you're so stuck in just trying to get that

478
00:28:19.559 --> 00:28:23.079
what was ultimately a toxic relationship back or some version

479
00:28:23.119 --> 00:28:25.599
of that back, you're not going to be open to

480
00:28:25.720 --> 00:28:28.519
these moments of healing that are being sent to you

481
00:28:28.839 --> 00:28:31.319
through new individuals.

482
00:28:30.480 --> 00:28:33.119
That enter into your life. It's just not going to happen.

483
00:28:33.519 --> 00:28:36.839
So I mean, I hope that the film brings people

484
00:28:36.880 --> 00:28:40.440
into a space where they can have conversations about this thing.

485
00:28:40.519 --> 00:28:43.240
This is not one of those kinds of movies that

486
00:28:43.279 --> 00:28:44.640
you kind of watch and forget.

487
00:28:44.759 --> 00:28:47.000
Is just not going to be that. This is the

488
00:28:47.039 --> 00:28:48.160
thing that people said to me.

489
00:28:48.559 --> 00:28:51.480
The other thing that has been wonderful about this film

490
00:28:51.599 --> 00:28:55.720
is it has been people from all walks of life

491
00:28:55.960 --> 00:28:58.440
who have come up to me after and said, man,

492
00:28:58.559 --> 00:29:02.480
that's my story too, white whatever, that's my story too.

493
00:29:02.680 --> 00:29:05.000
My father was the same way, where my mother was

494
00:29:05.000 --> 00:29:08.559
the same way. I hope that in a moment where

495
00:29:08.599 --> 00:29:12.359
in the world it feels like, you know, people are

496
00:29:12.440 --> 00:29:17.359
divided and not coming together, maybe just for a couple hours,

497
00:29:17.400 --> 00:29:20.920
we can come together around this idea of forgiveness.

498
00:29:21.839 --> 00:29:23.720
Titus, Thank you. I could talk to you all day.

499
00:29:23.799 --> 00:29:27.720
You're an amazing creator, and I can't wait for everybody

500
00:29:27.720 --> 00:29:30.319
to see the film. It's so incredible, so good to

501
00:29:30.400 --> 00:29:32.880
talk to you. Thank you, brother, Talk to you soon,

502
00:29:32.960 --> 00:29:39.960
all right. Titus Kafar just a genius. He's just a genius,

503
00:29:40.079 --> 00:29:42.000
and there's not much more to say about that. I

504
00:29:42.000 --> 00:29:45.079
can't wait to see what he's gonna be doing next,

505
00:29:45.119 --> 00:29:49.039
because I'll certainly be following it, all right. Next up,

506
00:29:49.119 --> 00:29:53.960
Andre Day, who oh another one. She is a Grammy

507
00:29:54.000 --> 00:29:57.920
Award winner and an Emmy Award winner, a Golden Globe

508
00:29:58.000 --> 00:30:02.680
or Winner Award winner, dominated for an Academy Award. She

509
00:30:04.000 --> 00:30:08.400
wrote and sang the song Rise Up and Arizo so

510
00:30:09.400 --> 00:30:13.559
ooh that song is just an anthem. But she also acts.

511
00:30:13.720 --> 00:30:16.599
She obviously she starred as Billie Holliday in the United

512
00:30:16.599 --> 00:30:20.480
States First Billie Holliday. You may have seen her recently

513
00:30:20.799 --> 00:30:25.839
in the Netflix original the Lee Daniels film The Deliverance

514
00:30:25.880 --> 00:30:30.559
with Monique and Glenn Close and Omar EPs Octavia Spencer.

515
00:30:30.680 --> 00:30:34.680
She was awesome in that, and she is really, really,

516
00:30:35.200 --> 00:30:40.519
really awesome in exhibiting forgiveness. So let's get into it.

517
00:30:40.920 --> 00:30:44.559
My interview with the one and Only Andrew Day, Thank

518
00:30:44.559 --> 00:30:47.400
you so much for speaking with me. I really appreciate it.

519
00:30:47.920 --> 00:30:48.920
Hi, Thank you so much.

520
00:30:49.119 --> 00:30:49.400
Kyle.

521
00:30:49.400 --> 00:30:49.799
How are you.

522
00:30:50.000 --> 00:30:54.519
I'm doing well? Thank you. Congratulations on the film. It is,

523
00:30:56.119 --> 00:31:01.039
of course, it is so powerful, so moving. I really

524
00:31:01.079 --> 00:31:04.920
am like a huge cheerleader for this film because it

525
00:31:05.079 --> 00:31:10.480
just spoke to me and left me thinking, you know

526
00:31:10.599 --> 00:31:14.200
a lot about it? Yes, And I feel like so

527
00:31:14.359 --> 00:31:19.759
much art today is made to be disposable or made

528
00:31:19.880 --> 00:31:21.799
for you to go see it and then you go

529
00:31:21.880 --> 00:31:24.079
see the sequel and then you buy the merch and

530
00:31:24.119 --> 00:31:29.200
all that, and oftentimes I feel that we lose sight

531
00:31:29.359 --> 00:31:34.400
of art itself. And so this is such a powerful

532
00:31:34.640 --> 00:31:37.240
film for me, and Titus and Andrew all of you

533
00:31:37.319 --> 00:31:41.200
have done such an incredible job with it. What drew

534
00:31:41.279 --> 00:31:45.519
you to making this, I.

535
00:31:45.440 --> 00:31:49.680
Think probably the same thing that like moved you when

536
00:31:49.759 --> 00:31:51.400
you saw it. I think that's how I felt when

537
00:31:51.400 --> 00:31:52.119
I read the script.

538
00:31:52.160 --> 00:31:52.480
First.

539
00:31:52.559 --> 00:31:55.319
First, what drew me to it was Titus Kafar's name

540
00:31:55.359 --> 00:31:57.000
on the front of the script. I was like, uh,

541
00:31:57.039 --> 00:32:00.759
what A huge fan of his work as a painter,

542
00:32:00.920 --> 00:32:03.440
and so I was very excited to see to.

543
00:32:03.400 --> 00:32:05.519
See him delving into film.

544
00:32:06.200 --> 00:32:08.160
And then I read the script and I knew from

545
00:32:08.200 --> 00:32:10.440
reading it that it was personal. I knew just because

546
00:32:10.440 --> 00:32:13.119
it was so visceral, you know what I mean, And

547
00:32:14.119 --> 00:32:16.160
so and I just I knew. I didn't I didn't

548
00:32:16.200 --> 00:32:18.440
care if I was a janitor for ten seconds in

549
00:32:18.440 --> 00:32:20.440
this movie. I was like, I want to be a

550
00:32:20.440 --> 00:32:24.720
part of this film. So so I think that's what

551
00:32:24.799 --> 00:32:25.160
drew me.

552
00:32:25.200 --> 00:32:26.720
And then just the theme of forgiveness.

553
00:32:26.799 --> 00:32:31.839
I think the real examination of forgiveness this movie is

554
00:32:31.880 --> 00:32:34.839
not like all right, I'm sorry, Okay, I forgive you

555
00:32:34.880 --> 00:32:36.359
and we're over it, you know what I mean, there's

556
00:32:36.480 --> 00:32:39.480
just listen, there's still stuff, even at the end of

557
00:32:39.519 --> 00:32:42.720
the film that maybe feels a little unresolved or feels

558
00:32:43.200 --> 00:32:45.880
because forgiveness is a process, it's a work, and I

559
00:32:45.920 --> 00:32:48.680
love that it it examines that truly and says that

560
00:32:48.720 --> 00:32:50.720
it's a hard fought battle and it's a choice you

561
00:32:50.880 --> 00:32:52.880
kind of have to make every day, and it's and

562
00:32:52.920 --> 00:32:54.880
it's and it's a scary thing, you know.

563
00:32:55.119 --> 00:32:59.799
Yeah. Yeah. I was talking to Titus about the film.

564
00:33:00.039 --> 00:33:05.079
Him and I have similar you know, I have my

565
00:33:05.160 --> 00:33:10.759
own fatherless story. It's different to his, but similar. And

566
00:33:11.279 --> 00:33:14.640
he and I were talking and he kind of said

567
00:33:14.640 --> 00:33:18.599
this thing that just wowed me, and that was we always,

568
00:33:19.200 --> 00:33:25.400
especially fatherless men, fatherless boys, always seemed to make the

569
00:33:25.480 --> 00:33:28.880
father of the super villain, often for our own lives,

570
00:33:29.000 --> 00:33:33.400
for our whole lives. And what he learned for him

571
00:33:34.079 --> 00:33:39.119
was that he wasn't a villain. He was doing He

572
00:33:39.200 --> 00:33:42.519
was a flawed human that was doing the best he

573
00:33:42.640 --> 00:33:45.559
could he thought he could with what he knew and

574
00:33:45.599 --> 00:33:46.920
what he thought he had.

575
00:33:47.400 --> 00:33:50.400
Right and to a degree, you know, when you look

576
00:33:50.400 --> 00:33:53.000
at the film, when you look at Larron's character, also

577
00:33:53.039 --> 00:33:55.480
when you think about the crack epidemic, if that was

578
00:33:55.519 --> 00:33:58.200
the particular thing that took your father or your parent

579
00:33:58.240 --> 00:34:00.839
from you, they were also as hard as it is

580
00:34:00.880 --> 00:34:03.000
to admit, they were also kind of a victim as

581
00:34:03.000 --> 00:34:04.640
well too, you know what I mean, like, which is,

582
00:34:05.400 --> 00:34:07.839
you know, of circumstance. I know that everyone makes their

583
00:34:07.880 --> 00:34:10.639
own choices, but you know, that was that took a

584
00:34:10.719 --> 00:34:12.880
lot of people, you know what I'm saying out of

585
00:34:13.239 --> 00:34:16.280
particularly the black and brown community, and so you know,

586
00:34:16.280 --> 00:34:18.159
it's hard, it's I mean, I think it's even harder

587
00:34:18.199 --> 00:34:21.239
to look at that person as you know, sort of

588
00:34:21.239 --> 00:34:23.480
a victim of circumstance and their own choices.

589
00:34:23.559 --> 00:34:25.400
But yeah, yeah, what.

590
00:34:26.239 --> 00:34:31.039
Have you learned about forgiveness from the film? You know,

591
00:34:31.119 --> 00:34:33.960
from working on the film, And what does forgiveness mean

592
00:34:34.000 --> 00:34:34.320
to you?

593
00:34:36.000 --> 00:34:37.239
Well, forgiveness for me.

594
00:34:37.280 --> 00:34:39.679
So my perspective may be a little different from some

595
00:34:39.719 --> 00:34:45.400
people's because my forgiveness is intrinsic to my faith and

596
00:34:45.480 --> 00:34:48.239
so you know, I forgiveness for me is something that

597
00:34:48.320 --> 00:34:49.960
is from God and that is of God, and that

598
00:34:50.000 --> 00:34:52.880
has been you know, given to me, and that I

599
00:34:52.960 --> 00:34:56.039
am because I love God, I am too extend forgiveness

600
00:34:56.119 --> 00:34:57.039
to everyone.

601
00:34:57.159 --> 00:34:57.719
You know, what I mean.

602
00:34:58.840 --> 00:35:02.159
And I think there is misconception that forgiveness means that

603
00:35:02.599 --> 00:35:05.719
everything someone did to you is all of a sudden Okay,

604
00:35:05.800 --> 00:35:08.360
it's okay, they're all hooked there or whatever, which is

605
00:35:08.400 --> 00:35:08.920
not the case.

606
00:35:09.000 --> 00:35:10.239
It's not saying that it's okay.

607
00:35:10.280 --> 00:35:12.679
But what it is saying is that I am freeing myself,

608
00:35:12.960 --> 00:35:15.760
you know what I mean, and you of the burden

609
00:35:15.800 --> 00:35:19.360
of carrying this wait anymore, of carrying resentment and carrying

610
00:35:19.440 --> 00:35:22.840
those things. And because you know, unforgiveness can lie to

611
00:35:22.920 --> 00:35:25.000
us and make us feel like it's a refuge when

612
00:35:25.039 --> 00:35:28.760
really it's a prison, you know. And so forgiveness to

613
00:35:28.840 --> 00:35:33.039
me is is that and also you know, but but

614
00:35:33.320 --> 00:35:35.159
this movie did help me to understand that.

615
00:35:35.320 --> 00:35:37.559
You know, it's not just something you do when you

616
00:35:37.599 --> 00:35:38.519
get over the next day.

617
00:35:38.599 --> 00:35:41.480
It is a process, and it's a very hard fought battle,

618
00:35:41.480 --> 00:35:43.119
and it is a choice that you have to make

619
00:35:43.159 --> 00:35:46.719
every day even when you don't feel like forgiving. If

620
00:35:46.760 --> 00:35:49.000
you're waiting for the moment that I feel like forgiving,

621
00:35:49.079 --> 00:35:49.519
it may.

622
00:35:49.400 --> 00:35:51.320
Never come, but you still have to forgive, you know.

623
00:35:51.440 --> 00:35:54.119
So making the choice to do that, I think is

624
00:35:54.440 --> 00:35:56.639
more important than having the feeling of it, you know.

625
00:35:56.639 --> 00:35:56.960
What I mean.

626
00:35:57.119 --> 00:35:59.880
Yeah, I love that and for you, you know, I

627
00:36:00.400 --> 00:36:03.960
did a number of episodes of Oprah's Life Class with

628
00:36:03.960 --> 00:36:11.239
with Oprah on on fatherlessness, uh, fatherless sons and and

629
00:36:11.280 --> 00:36:15.119
she changed changed my life and uh. But one of

630
00:36:15.159 --> 00:36:20.039
the things that I learned from that was that fatherlessness

631
00:36:20.119 --> 00:36:26.519
is an epidemic, particular particularly with boys, and particularly with

632
00:36:27.000 --> 00:36:30.960
black and brown boys. And you know, so as we

633
00:36:31.199 --> 00:36:36.440
as as communities, as a community try to to change that.

634
00:36:37.079 --> 00:36:42.320
The fact is that that oftentimes it is my mom,

635
00:36:42.800 --> 00:36:49.239
my grandmother, my uncles that have helped me to get

636
00:36:49.320 --> 00:36:56.079
through that which I felt this massive loss for in

637
00:36:56.119 --> 00:37:02.119
the film, you are a support system in the way

638
00:37:02.199 --> 00:37:06.519
that you can be have you is that something that

639
00:37:06.559 --> 00:37:10.559
you have drawn from from your own life, that you

640
00:37:10.679 --> 00:37:14.320
have supported a boy or a man or whatever in

641
00:37:14.440 --> 00:37:17.119
there because it's hard enough for women.

642
00:37:18.480 --> 00:37:20.960
But I was like, yes, I've drawn from real life, right,

643
00:37:23.880 --> 00:37:26.199
particularly black and brow women drawn from real life?

644
00:37:26.280 --> 00:37:28.400
Or like, yes, have we supported a boy or a man?

645
00:37:28.519 --> 00:37:32.599
Yes we have exactly, And you know, so I wonder

646
00:37:32.679 --> 00:37:36.400
how much of that from your own life is in her?

647
00:37:37.360 --> 00:37:41.000
Yeah, it's absolutely, you know. I just think that that

648
00:37:41.159 --> 00:37:44.280
is that, to be honest with you, that was almost

649
00:37:44.320 --> 00:37:46.880
the easiest point to find my way into, you know

650
00:37:46.920 --> 00:37:50.079
what I mean, because into her character because we know

651
00:37:50.719 --> 00:37:52.599
we do know what that's like. And to be honest

652
00:37:52.639 --> 00:37:54.519
with you, as women, we often know what it's like

653
00:37:54.599 --> 00:37:58.760
to put yourself on the back burner for a man's career,

654
00:37:59.000 --> 00:38:02.239
for his desire, for his trauma, for his pain, for

655
00:38:02.320 --> 00:38:05.280
his fabulousness, even as women, for us to put our

656
00:38:05.320 --> 00:38:07.760
own fatherlessness on the back burner for you know what

657
00:38:07.800 --> 00:38:10.280
I mean, their foss. So there's definitely she's absolutely a

658
00:38:10.320 --> 00:38:13.840
support system and that was definitely something I was able

659
00:38:13.920 --> 00:38:18.119
to to a way I was able to enter into

660
00:38:18.119 --> 00:38:21.320
her and I think, but what I love though, what

661
00:38:21.360 --> 00:38:24.599
I love about her character is she supported him. We

662
00:38:24.639 --> 00:38:29.400
are taught you support unequivocally, you support, without question, you support,

663
00:38:29.440 --> 00:38:31.159
You put every all of your dreams on the shelf.

664
00:38:31.199 --> 00:38:32.480
You don't think about da da da.

665
00:38:33.760 --> 00:38:37.159
And in a lot of ways we've all done that

666
00:38:37.199 --> 00:38:39.960
and we've been taught that. But in a lot of

667
00:38:39.960 --> 00:38:43.119
ways that can actually be harmful and have an antithetical

668
00:38:43.159 --> 00:38:47.719
effect to effect to loving someone into supporting them. What

669
00:38:47.760 --> 00:38:49.760
I love about Ayesha's character is it's one of the

670
00:38:49.840 --> 00:38:53.639
rare times you see that She supports and loves him

671
00:38:53.840 --> 00:38:56.840
by being there for him, by you know, making adjustments, compromising,

672
00:38:56.880 --> 00:39:00.639
but she also supports him by being uncompromised and by

673
00:39:00.679 --> 00:39:03.360
being unwavering in her dream and her life. She loves

674
00:39:03.360 --> 00:39:06.199
and supports him by loving and supporting herself. And I

675
00:39:06.199 --> 00:39:10.199
think it's very important because she has understood now, because

676
00:39:10.239 --> 00:39:14.440
she comes from a similar background to Terrell. She understands

677
00:39:14.480 --> 00:39:17.400
that she cannot pour from an empty cup. And so

678
00:39:17.519 --> 00:39:20.199
I love the moments in the movie where he reminds

679
00:39:20.199 --> 00:39:22.239
her and she reminds him it is my turn. We

680
00:39:22.360 --> 00:39:26.239
establish this because I think we always adjust to sort

681
00:39:26.239 --> 00:39:30.519
of these tempestuous environments without realizing that sometimes when we

682
00:39:30.639 --> 00:39:33.960
do that, we lose the anchor that keeps us moving forward,

683
00:39:34.000 --> 00:39:35.320
you know what I mean, And so we're floating.

684
00:39:35.360 --> 00:39:36.039
You don't realize it.

685
00:39:36.119 --> 00:39:39.559
So she does this amazing thing where she loves him

686
00:39:39.559 --> 00:39:41.440
in that way, but she also loves him by telling

687
00:39:41.519 --> 00:39:44.159
him no. She also loves him by saying, you know,

688
00:39:45.119 --> 00:39:48.440
I'm going to keep you. I'm going to keep us

689
00:39:48.480 --> 00:39:51.599
adhering to the promises we made each other in this marriage.

690
00:39:51.599 --> 00:39:53.840
And I think that's really important. I love that about

691
00:39:53.840 --> 00:39:55.960
her character. And they're dynamic in general.

692
00:39:56.199 --> 00:39:59.599
Yeah, I love it. I love your work in it.

693
00:39:59.639 --> 00:40:02.039
I can't wait. Like I said, I'm gonna be screaming

694
00:40:02.079 --> 00:40:05.800
from the rooftops for everybody to see exhibiting forgiveness. Thank

695
00:40:05.840 --> 00:40:07.880
you so much, Andrew. It's a joy to talk to you.

696
00:40:08.280 --> 00:40:10.039
Thank you same same, bless you.

697
00:40:10.119 --> 00:40:14.239
Thank you. Have a great day to take care Andre Day.

698
00:40:14.960 --> 00:40:19.880
Love her, love her voice, love her, love her art,

699
00:40:20.239 --> 00:40:27.320
and love her role in exhibiting forgiveness. She's just a triumph.

700
00:40:27.360 --> 00:40:28.760
And I can't wait. This is going to win all

701
00:40:28.800 --> 00:40:32.320
the awards. I'm telling you all right, Last, but not least,

702
00:40:32.920 --> 00:40:41.239
we have the heart really of exhibiting forgiveness. Andre Holland

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as Terrell and John Earl jelks as Lauren. John Earl

704
00:40:46.760 --> 00:40:52.639
jelks Is has mostly worked in theater. An extremely well

705
00:40:52.679 --> 00:40:56.800
known theatrical actor, he has been nominated for a Tony

706
00:40:56.840 --> 00:41:01.400
Award as Best Actor. He has a very long list

707
00:41:02.079 --> 00:41:06.000
of awards that he's won for his acting. He's also

708
00:41:06.119 --> 00:41:11.639
been in some films, film or two. He was in

709
00:41:11.679 --> 00:41:15.079
a Miracle at St Anna from Spike Lee, season three

710
00:41:15.320 --> 00:41:18.480
of True Detective on HBO, and he has a recurring

711
00:41:18.559 --> 00:41:22.679
role in Showtimes on becoming a god in Central Florida.

712
00:41:23.119 --> 00:41:26.480
I really hope that this is the role. I believe

713
00:41:26.480 --> 00:41:30.639
it is the role that John Earl Jelks wins is

714
00:41:30.679 --> 00:41:36.000
nominated for and wins an Oscar. He deserves it. And then.

715
00:41:36.199 --> 00:41:41.000
Andre Holland is widely known for his performance as Kevin

716
00:41:41.159 --> 00:41:44.559
in Moonlight, the Academy Award winning film. He also played

717
00:41:44.599 --> 00:41:48.199
Matt Miller in American horror story Roanoke, which you know

718
00:41:48.280 --> 00:41:51.039
I loved. He was in Selma, which you know I

719
00:41:51.119 --> 00:41:54.719
was in Selma. He's been on stage, on screen and

720
00:41:55.119 --> 00:41:59.440
in our lives, and he's incredible. I've been using that

721
00:41:59.480 --> 00:42:02.360
word a lot, but it is the word. So here

722
00:42:02.400 --> 00:42:07.039
it is my interview with Andre Holland and John Earl Jelks.

723
00:42:07.199 --> 00:42:10.280
Thank you so much, Andrea and John for joining me.

724
00:42:10.320 --> 00:42:13.960
I really appreciate it. Thank you, Thanks happy.

725
00:42:13.760 --> 00:42:14.199
To be here.

726
00:42:14.599 --> 00:42:18.599
Thank you. First of all, congratulations on the film. It

727
00:42:18.719 --> 00:42:25.599
is incredibly powerful. It is so deep and layered and

728
00:42:25.840 --> 00:42:29.599
really stays with you in a way that not many

729
00:42:29.639 --> 00:42:34.039
films today, I don't think. Do What is it that

730
00:42:34.159 --> 00:42:38.760
drew you both to the film, Andre, did you want

731
00:42:38.800 --> 00:42:40.119
to start script?

732
00:42:40.159 --> 00:42:43.320
Man? The script was outstanding, you know, in the very

733
00:42:43.360 --> 00:42:45.119
first draft I read, I was like, man, this is

734
00:42:45.159 --> 00:42:48.400
special and it only got better from there. I would

735
00:42:48.440 --> 00:42:51.360
say that the chance to work with such brilliant artists

736
00:42:51.840 --> 00:42:56.119
like John Andrew, Andrew, you know, Titus, the cast is

737
00:42:56.159 --> 00:42:57.280
so stacked, you know.

738
00:42:57.440 --> 00:42:59.400
It was, it was an amazing experience.

739
00:42:59.559 --> 00:43:01.599
So I would say those two things for me made

740
00:43:01.679 --> 00:43:03.280
it really easy to say yes.

741
00:43:03.719 --> 00:43:04.960
And how about you, John.

742
00:43:05.400 --> 00:43:08.840
I totally agree with that. And to be able to

743
00:43:08.920 --> 00:43:13.800
work with such a brilliant artist and Titus, I mean,

744
00:43:14.480 --> 00:43:17.960
it's art work speaks for myself. So I just had

745
00:43:18.039 --> 00:43:21.199
to know, well, I knew from just reading it this

746
00:43:21.320 --> 00:43:23.360
is going to be a pretty special piece of work

747
00:43:24.239 --> 00:43:27.000
because there's so much truth in everything that I've was saying,

748
00:43:27.320 --> 00:43:30.320
you know, in the script. So yeah, that's what Drew

749
00:43:30.360 --> 00:43:32.039
and sew is being able to read it and know

750
00:43:32.079 --> 00:43:35.679
who he was and then work with, like Andre said,

751
00:43:35.719 --> 00:43:39.360
these brilliant actors. I mean, like, what is not to

752
00:43:39.480 --> 00:43:40.960
want to be a part of something like that, you

753
00:43:41.000 --> 00:43:41.440
know what I mean?

754
00:43:42.320 --> 00:43:44.639
Yeah, I was just speaking with Titus and he was

755
00:43:45.000 --> 00:43:48.840
him and I were discussing how much of himself is

756
00:43:48.880 --> 00:43:52.320
in this story and in this work. I wondered it.

757
00:43:52.559 --> 00:43:54.480
You know, it made me wonder for both of you,

758
00:43:54.960 --> 00:43:58.039
how much of you, how much of Andre, how much

759
00:43:58.039 --> 00:44:01.760
of John or in the these characters.

760
00:44:03.519 --> 00:44:05.639
I'll say that I think a lot, a lot, you know.

761
00:44:05.760 --> 00:44:06.679
I feel like when you.

762
00:44:08.199 --> 00:44:11.440
Approach a role like this, but really any role, you know,

763
00:44:11.800 --> 00:44:14.440
I think you got to offer yourself to it if

764
00:44:14.440 --> 00:44:17.800
you're gonna if you're gonna be honest, you know. I mean,

765
00:44:17.800 --> 00:44:20.280
there's like there's the character on the page, and then

766
00:44:20.280 --> 00:44:23.440
there's the person, the human, the actor, and over the

767
00:44:23.440 --> 00:44:26.000
course of the time the rehearsal process, those two things

768
00:44:26.079 --> 00:44:26.840
kind of come together.

769
00:44:27.400 --> 00:44:28.719
And so when I.

770
00:44:28.440 --> 00:44:31.400
When I watched the movie, now you know, yeah, I

771
00:44:31.800 --> 00:44:34.360
understand that I'm playing a character, but also like I

772
00:44:34.440 --> 00:44:37.239
offered a lot of myself to it.

773
00:44:37.320 --> 00:44:38.559
Is that how you think about it, I do.

774
00:44:38.760 --> 00:44:41.239
And And to add on to that is that I

775
00:44:41.360 --> 00:44:46.519
believe that I obtually stole a lot. But what I

776
00:44:46.559 --> 00:44:50.280
mean by stole, I inherited another way. That was my grandfather,

777
00:44:50.880 --> 00:44:54.239
father and now me, even if it was to me

778
00:44:54.320 --> 00:44:57.320
that I'm trying to correct from those two, I was

779
00:44:57.360 --> 00:44:59.239
able to do that, and as you said, that's an

780
00:44:59.280 --> 00:45:01.480
actually be playing character. But at the same time I

781
00:45:01.519 --> 00:45:04.400
got a chance to take from some other places, and

782
00:45:04.880 --> 00:45:08.440
I just took strictly from the book my grandfather and

783
00:45:08.519 --> 00:45:08.920
my father.

784
00:45:09.880 --> 00:45:13.960
That's so powerful. And I love that you say that,

785
00:45:14.199 --> 00:45:17.320
because you know it's Titus and I we're talking it.

786
00:45:17.440 --> 00:45:20.840
We were discussing our you know, my own father lessness,

787
00:45:20.960 --> 00:45:24.719
his fatherlessness, and two different kind of versions of that.

788
00:45:25.239 --> 00:45:29.079
But he said something that was so like an AHA

789
00:45:29.199 --> 00:45:33.320
moment for me where he said, they're not always the

790
00:45:33.360 --> 00:45:36.440
super villains that we've made them out to be. You know,

791
00:45:36.639 --> 00:45:39.960
where for me, for my father who had left when

792
00:45:39.960 --> 00:45:42.920
my mom got pregnant, I had and then chose, you know,

793
00:45:42.960 --> 00:45:45.320
not to be around. I had always made him out

794
00:45:45.360 --> 00:45:47.679
to be this, you know, horrible person, and how can

795
00:45:47.719 --> 00:45:51.920
you do that? And the bottom line is that no

796
00:45:51.920 --> 00:45:54.880
matter what he is as a person, he is still

797
00:45:54.880 --> 00:45:58.880
a person and was dealing with his own issues and

798
00:45:58.880 --> 00:46:02.400
and was doing was living life how he was equipped

799
00:46:02.440 --> 00:46:05.039
to do it, you know what I'm saying. And as

800
00:46:05.079 --> 00:46:08.559
you say that, you know, John, with you there are

801
00:46:08.960 --> 00:46:12.320
in this character, there is people that you know, And

802
00:46:12.400 --> 00:46:16.079
it just struck me about these you know, these super

803
00:46:16.159 --> 00:46:20.000
villains that they are not. They're humans just like us,

804
00:46:20.119 --> 00:46:24.440
no matter what choices they've made. You know, did you

805
00:46:24.519 --> 00:46:27.800
find any healing in in playing Laurn.

806
00:46:29.760 --> 00:46:33.239
Not only did I find healing, I've got a chance

807
00:46:33.280 --> 00:46:37.639
to find out, well not so much find out. We

808
00:46:37.760 --> 00:46:41.480
got a chance to see if my grandfather or my

809
00:46:41.519 --> 00:46:44.800
father was sable to articulate what Tityus had put inside

810
00:46:44.840 --> 00:46:47.239
of that film, that's.

811
00:46:47.079 --> 00:46:50.159
What they would have said. Wow, that's what they probably

812
00:46:50.199 --> 00:46:50.719
would have done.

813
00:46:50.800 --> 00:46:53.760
They would have done, they would have became a better

814
00:46:53.840 --> 00:46:57.800
version of themselves. Well, once again, they wasn't equipped to

815
00:46:57.960 --> 00:47:01.519
do that. They only passed down what they knew, right,

816
00:47:01.559 --> 00:47:04.920
and what they didn't know. Like my father's always tell me,

817
00:47:05.119 --> 00:47:07.760
I don't know what to tell you. So if you

818
00:47:07.800 --> 00:47:09.559
don't know what to tell you, you got to try to

819
00:47:09.599 --> 00:47:10.639
figure it out on your own.

820
00:47:11.039 --> 00:47:15.159
Yeah. Yeah, And how about for you, Andre, was there

821
00:47:15.159 --> 00:47:18.079
people in your life that you were able to draw

822
00:47:18.480 --> 00:47:22.519
from for this or was this you you know, diving

823
00:47:22.559 --> 00:47:24.719
in as an artist completely?

824
00:47:25.039 --> 00:47:26.519
Both? Yeah, it was both.

825
00:47:26.559 --> 00:47:29.480
I mean there are definitely places where I borrow from

826
00:47:29.519 --> 00:47:35.480
the relationship with my dad and with my mom, you know. Yeah,

827
00:47:36.360 --> 00:47:38.360
other places where I had to imagine, like being a

828
00:47:38.360 --> 00:47:40.199
father for instance. I'm not a father, so I had

829
00:47:40.199 --> 00:47:43.440
to you know, make some imaginative leaps to think about

830
00:47:43.480 --> 00:47:46.559
what that might be like. But that's the magic of it,

831
00:47:46.639 --> 00:47:48.639
right You take what you know and you put it

832
00:47:48.679 --> 00:47:51.159
a little bit of what you don't know and mix

833
00:47:51.199 --> 00:47:53.199
it all up together to stew and somehow it like,

834
00:47:53.400 --> 00:47:56.039
you know, you create a character. So I'm glad you

835
00:47:56.119 --> 00:47:56.840
dug it man.

836
00:47:57.440 --> 00:48:01.880
It really truly is an incredible piece of art and

837
00:48:02.039 --> 00:48:05.400
for you, for both of you, what do you hope

838
00:48:05.800 --> 00:48:08.880
to that somebody takes? Because, like I said, for me,

839
00:48:09.199 --> 00:48:10.920
I just don't think this is kind of one of

840
00:48:10.960 --> 00:48:13.800
those I'm a huge Deadpool and Wolverine fan, you know,

841
00:48:13.920 --> 00:48:16.639
I love those kinds of movies, but it's not something

842
00:48:16.679 --> 00:48:20.639
that you know is created to make you think and

843
00:48:20.760 --> 00:48:25.159
really kind of, you know, this film is truly art

844
00:48:25.280 --> 00:48:28.559
and has stuck with me. What do you hope a

845
00:48:28.719 --> 00:48:32.360
viewer takes when they leave watching it?

846
00:48:35.760 --> 00:48:37.519
I mean, you know, I think that.

847
00:48:40.639 --> 00:48:43.960
I hope that people consider what forgiveness means to them

848
00:48:44.039 --> 00:48:47.719
in like a different way. I certainly have reframed my

849
00:48:47.880 --> 00:48:51.039
understanding of what it means to forgive. And if there

850
00:48:51.039 --> 00:48:53.360
are conversations that people need to have with folks while

851
00:48:53.360 --> 00:48:55.800
they have time, then I think that, you know, I

852
00:48:55.800 --> 00:48:58.719
hope the movie inspires them to do that, and also

853
00:48:58.760 --> 00:49:01.360
I hope that people I hope that people run to

854
00:49:01.400 --> 00:49:04.840
see this movie and that they pack the theaters and

855
00:49:05.239 --> 00:49:08.760
continue to pack the theaters because you know, I also

856
00:49:08.840 --> 00:49:10.480
understand what me and when we said they're pulling over

857
00:49:10.599 --> 00:49:11.679
in great movies like a.

858
00:49:11.639 --> 00:49:12.159
Lot of fun.

859
00:49:12.719 --> 00:49:18.280
But I think sometimes Hollywood doesn't believe that movies like these, yeah,

860
00:49:18.519 --> 00:49:21.559
can like be successful, you know, and are worth doing

861
00:49:21.639 --> 00:49:24.559
and are worth investing in. So I hope that you know,

862
00:49:24.639 --> 00:49:27.000
your audience and audiences all the world will come and

863
00:49:27.039 --> 00:49:28.920
see the movie and support it so that we can

864
00:49:28.960 --> 00:49:32.400
keep making art like this absolutely and alter that.

865
00:49:32.440 --> 00:49:35.880
I appreciate what you know you doing, and people like

866
00:49:35.920 --> 00:49:39.519
yourselves are spreading the word because it takes that you know,

867
00:49:39.599 --> 00:49:41.880
you've seen it and you know what it is to

868
00:49:41.960 --> 00:49:44.320
go and tell other people to go sit and you

869
00:49:44.400 --> 00:49:47.159
said it earlier, and hopefully everyone inspire someone else to

870
00:49:47.239 --> 00:49:50.719
maybe tell their own version or their own story something simpler,

871
00:49:50.840 --> 00:49:53.440
because once again, like you said, how it was not

872
00:49:53.440 --> 00:49:56.800
going to get behind movies like that's necessarily yeah, but

873
00:49:56.880 --> 00:50:00.760
if we show that these stories need to be told,

874
00:50:00.960 --> 00:50:03.800
you need to be seen, you never know the next

875
00:50:03.800 --> 00:50:06.119
one and then the next one in the next one,

876
00:50:06.119 --> 00:50:10.000
and so on and so forth, and also Forgiveness may not

877
00:50:10.079 --> 00:50:12.480
be what it looks like to everybody's different.

878
00:50:14.519 --> 00:50:17.880
I love that. I'm a huge champion for this film.

879
00:50:18.000 --> 00:50:22.599
I can't I'll be screaming it from the rooftops. Exhibiting Forgiveness.

880
00:50:22.639 --> 00:50:25.079
Thank you both so much. I really appreciate it.

881
00:50:25.519 --> 00:50:26.239
Thank you, thank you.

882
00:50:26.280 --> 00:50:30.679
Appreciate you man, Thank you. Have a great day. Thanks

883
00:50:31.199 --> 00:50:36.480
Andre Holland and John Earl Jels. Exhibiting Forgiveness. You have

884
00:50:36.760 --> 00:50:41.599
to see it, I'm telling you. The premiere at Sundance

885
00:50:41.639 --> 00:50:45.800
in January and is out in a limited theatrical run

886
00:50:45.960 --> 00:50:50.639
beginning today October eighteenth. Well, I guess it depends on

887
00:50:50.679 --> 00:50:53.519
when you're listening to it, but either way, it's out

888
00:50:53.559 --> 00:50:56.679
in a limited theatrical run. You need to do yourself

889
00:50:56.719 --> 00:50:59.119
a favor and see this film. It is going to

890
00:50:59.119 --> 00:51:03.119
be nominated for everything, and it deserves it because it's really,

891
00:51:03.320 --> 00:51:07.400
really that good. I'm telling you. I cried, I laughed,

892
00:51:07.519 --> 00:51:11.960
I smiled, I felt, I felt, I felt. Do yourself

893
00:51:12.000 --> 00:51:17.000
a favor. See Exhibiting Forgiveness right now and watch Hysteria.

894
00:51:17.079 --> 00:51:19.159
I want to know what you think about both of them.

895
00:51:20.039 --> 00:51:22.039
Hit me up on socials. You know where to find

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899
00:51:31.039 --> 00:51:34.599
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901
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Andra Day

Actor / Singer / Songwriter

Andra Day is an American singer, songwriter, and actor and the recipient of numerous accolades, including a Grammy Award, a Children's and Family Emmy Award, and a Golden Globe Award, along with nomination for an Academy Award.

In 2015, she released her debut album, Cheers to the Fall which was nominated for Best R&B Album at the 2016 Grammy Awards, while it's single, "Rise Up", was nominated for Best R&B Performance. To promote "Rise Up", she performed the song on The View, earning a Daytime Emmy Award nomination for the performance.

In 2021, Day made her acting debut with her portrayal of Billie Holiday in Lee Daniels' biopic The United States vs. Billie Holiday, winning the Golden Globe Award for Best Actress in a Motion Picture – Drama, and received a nomination for the Academy Award for Best Actress. Day received the Grammy Award for Best Compilation Soundtrack for Visual Media for the film's accompanying soundtrack and has starred in numerous films and series since.

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André Holland

Actor

André Holland is an American actor who is widely known for his 2016 performance as Kevin in the Academy Award-winning film Moonlight.

Holland has acted in film, television, and theatre productions. He starred as Dr. Algernon Edwards in the Cinemax series The Knick (2014–2015) and as Matt Miller in the FX series American Horror Story: Roanoke (2016). He portrayed politician and activist Andrew Young in the 2014 film Selma and sportswriter Wendell Smith in the 2013 film 42. On stage, he has starred in August Wilson's play Jitney on Broadway in 2017. He plays a lead role on the 2020 Netflix musical drama series The Eddy, directed by Damien Chazelle.

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Bruce Campbell

Actor / Author / Producer / Horror Icon

Bruce Campbell is an iconic American actor and filmmaker, best known for his cult-classic role as Ash Williams in Sam Raimi's "Evil Dead" horror franchise. With a career spanning decades, he has also captivated audiences with his blend of humor and action in TV series like "Burn Notice" and "The Adventures of Brisco County, Jr." Beyond acting, Campbell is a successful author and director, further solidifying his status as a beloved figure in genre entertainment.