Sept. 26, 2025

Tom Blyth & Daniel Webber (Billy the Kid); Summer H. Howell & Brandon Christensen (Night of the Reaper)

Tom Blyth & Daniel Webber (Billy the Kid); Summer H. Howell & Brandon Christensen (Night of the Reaper)

Pop Culture Weekly doubles up with horror thrills and historical legends! First, Kyle McMahon kicks off spooky season with Night of the Reaper - a slick, 80s-vibed Shudder original - chatting with star Summer H. Howell (Chucky, the new Carrie) and writer-director Brandon Christensen about crafting a killer babysitter prologue, Pat Benatar dance breaks, and why scares land harder when the heart shows up first.

Then we trade pumpkins for pistols as Tom Blyth and Daniel Webber ride in to unpack the triumphant, emotional final season of Billy the Kid on MGM+: brotherhood, rivalries, and filming like a true Western—horses, mountains, and all. Plus, Kyle celebrates his debut book 31 Days of Horror: Pop Culture Weekly’s Killer Guide to Surviving the 31 Day Horror Movie Challenge (it hit #7 on Amazon’s Horror charts!) and dares you to join the movie-a-night challenge.

In this episode:

  • Summer H. Howell on embracing the “scream queen” crown - and that surprise dance scene
  • Brandon Christensen on building 80s authenticity on an indie budget
  • The Halloween-tradition vibe they hope Night of the Reaper earns
  • Tom Blyth & Daniel Webber on closing the book with a big, cinematic Western finale
  • Why Billy the Kid’s themes of resistance and humanity hit right now

Stream the picks: Night of the Reaper (Shudder) • Billy the Kid S3 (MGM+)

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In this episode of Pop Culture Weekly, Tom Blythe and

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Daniel Weber discuss Billy the Kid Season three and Summer

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h Howel and Brandon Kristensen discuss Night of the Reaper.

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Let's go.

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Welcome to pop Culture Weekly with Kyle McMahon from my

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you crave weekly. Here's Kyle McMahon.

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Nana no Nut, Hello, and welcome to pop Culture Weekly

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with Kyle McMahon. I of course am Kyle McMahon, and

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this is the show where I, you know, somehow trick

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celebrities into spending time with me and you get to

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eavesdrop win win, Right, I'm Kyle, your pop culture sharp

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in today's episode is stacked like me and and all

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you can eat buffet. Let's jump right into it. First up,

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we're diving into the world of horror, my happy place

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know what you think about it. By the way, it

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hit number seven on the horror charts on Amazon. Am

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in any event, all right, so as we continue our

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dive into the world of horror, I'm talking with Night

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of the Reaper star Summer h Howell, who stars in

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the film as well as she'll be playing Carry in

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the upcoming Carry film, and the film's wickedly talented writer

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director Brandon Christensen. And Night of the Reaper is a

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Shutter original, and it follows a college student who visits

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home and ends up babysitting, and then the local sheriff

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has mailed a piece of evidence and is let on

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a scavenger hunt to reveal the killer of another babysitter.

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All kinds of stuff going on in the movie. It's

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really great. As you know, I love Shutter, so it

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is a Shutter original and it's a great film. So

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in any event, if you're into scare, suspense and sleeping

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with the lights on, this one's for you. Let's jump

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in Summer h Howel and Brandon Kristensen, Brandon, and Summer.

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First of all, welcome to Pop Culture Weekly with Kyle McMahon.

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I appreciate you guys talking to me about Knight of

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the Reaper. How you doing. I'm great, Yeah, yeah, of course,

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So the congrats on the film. I love that it's

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like this sort of throwback. It's in the kind of

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babysitter sub genre of horror. What was it like to,

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you know, do this. How did it feel for you guys.

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Somewhere you want to go first?

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Oh? Well, I had a really fun time. I filmed

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the first three days with Brandon and I got to

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dance around, I got to die spoiler alert. Yeah it was.

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It was a lot of fun, and it made me

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a little sad leaving because it was so short and sweet.

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low budget indie, you know, and so we're shooting an

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eighties movie and you know, if you've got Hollywood money,

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you can just create the eighties, but we couldn't. So

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we're just like finding things on marketplace and like finding

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locations that had, you know, all this texture and wood

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put put summer in that position to be dancing to

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Pat Benatar. It was just like such a such a

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time with this TV and this music and this you know,

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just everything was just so cool, and you know, Summer's amazing. Obviously,

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she was just so much fun and she was only

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there for three days, but I mean her presence was

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felt throughout the whole thing.

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film with more human states, what is that? Where where

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do you find that emotional core? Summer do you want

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and do. But I guess my family life is very

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connected and I have a lot to lose, so I

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pull from that kind of feeling.

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I love that. And how about for you, Brandon, as

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you know, as the man behind it.

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like she's saying, family so important. So having all these

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family connections throughout the film, like you've got the sheriff

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and his son being babysat all of these pieces, there's

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just there's a lot to lose. Like when we were

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casting Summer and she did her audition, she actually auditioned

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for Dina, but you know, her schedule was very busy

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because she had a bunch of stuff in Germany that

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she was doing right after, so we just barely sort

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of fit her in into that window. But a big

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part of it was just looking at her and being like,

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oh my god, like nobody wants to see her die

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on camera, you know, like that's so that would be

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so sad to see Summer die, and so you know,

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in this horrible position, and I think that it just

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sets the tone for the rest of the film.

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the babysitter kind of subgenre of horror.

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When I was in the eighth grade, I went to

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a birthday party at a friend's house and we watched

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When a Stranger Calls the nineteen seventy nine version, and

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we all just sat there eating pizza, drinking soda, and

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we're just watching that opening twenty minutes, which is just

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like the babysitter horror movie it's just amazing. It's like

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twenty minutes of just pure horror, and you know, and

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that always just kind of stuck with me. And so

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in my career, I've been fortunate to make movies at all,

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but I'm trying to kind of tackle different things that,

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you know, different subgenres. Like I've done found footage recently,

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the babysitter thing, I've done supernatural, Like my last one

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that came out was more of like a bodyhoror possession thing.

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playground that we're able to play in, and and Babysitter

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was just one that I always wanted to do. And this,

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you know, this story came together with my brother and

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we just were like, this is this has to be

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the next one.

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And how did you balance the kind of classic almost

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slashery sort of thing with your own take on it?

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I mean, you're you're always just like stealing from the grates, right,

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Like the opening ten with Summer is very scream driven

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with the Drew Barrymore thing like that was when we

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were talking about it's like, no, we want to get

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that Drew Barrymore and we want to have that face.

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And now we've got summer Who's you know, gonna be

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carry soon, which is a whole other thing. But yeah,

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it's just having this iconic intro that starts it and

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then you go into something you know a little a

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little softer, and you've got more of like Ty West's

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House of the Devil, which was a great, amazing film,

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and it's you know, when when you think of babysitter horror,

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it's basically when a stranger calls and then a House

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of the Devil, And I'm just trying to blend these

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two things while you know you're putting I think the

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spin that you know, we took was more in the

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execution of the story. But we wanted to set up

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a lot of familiar things on the journey so that

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the audience expects one thing and then you can kind

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of go like, ah, actually it's this thing, and it

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you know, it keeps the last act of the film

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really fresh for them because it's like, oh, this isn't

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what I was expected. I mean, that's a hope. Anyways,

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you never you never know.

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of weaving their way through. I think that's, you know,

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for me, a fresh take, you know what I mean? Yeah,

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for sure, summer you have pretty much grown up on

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screen and how you know Chucky and you'll be carry

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hell does this fit in to your like repertoire? You know?

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wasn't surprised when it came up. But the dancing really surprised.

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I don't like that wasn't a part of my audition

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or anything. It was just kind of a not last

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minute thing. But like I was already in Calgary in

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my hotel room and Brandon's texting me like, how'd you

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feel about dancing? And I'm like, I think I sent

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him back a video of like me already practicing. So yeah,

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it fits very nicely. Yeah, it was a lot of fun.

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only said she, you know, she turned on some MTV

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some catch something catchy and then she snoops and find

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cigarettes And that's basically all the script said. But then

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we had a music supervisor, Natasha Dupree. She sent us

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this list of music, and we were like going through

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you know, there's like twenty five tracks that we could afford,

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which wasn't a lot, but then you know, we're looking

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at things from like Flock of Seagulls and all this stuff,

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and it's like, oh, this is really cool. But then

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when she sent a second list and had Pat Benatar

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on it, and I was just like, oh my god,

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this could be just like we could shoot this like

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a music video, and so I sent, you know, I

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sent Summer. I was like, can you dance to this?

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Will you dance to this? You know, cause you never know?

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And then we're just that.

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Basically, her third day was almost entirely just shooting a

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music video, like she's dancing where choreograph. You know, we

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had music playing back with the whole thing so she

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could dance to it. But like, you know, we did

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a twenty two day shoot and that was by far

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the most fun. Like, it was such a blast to

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work with her on that. It sounds and I got

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to kill her.

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Summer. Do you see yourself as like a scream queen?

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I guess so I don't. I've seen a lot of

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people online calling me that now, so I'll take.

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It I mean, I think it's and I mean that

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obviously as a compliment, And I think that the horror

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community loves scream queens, you know. I mean, I I

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think that you have really captured, you know, a great

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balance between like an emotional core of your work along

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with like just being a freaking awesome scream queen. You

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know what I mean.

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That means a lot of course, Brandon, you have this

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reputation for kind of emotionally charged horror, lots of familial, familial, familial,

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you know, elements to your work. Is that conscious? Is

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that subconscious? How? How has that come out?

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Yeah? I mean I think it's kind of the old thing.

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You just write what you know. And I'm married, I

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have three kids, and so I'm seeing all these things.

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Like my first films Stillborn and Z they were about

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baby and like a you know, a kid in kind

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of the first grade and you know, kind of that

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range and there They're all kind of based off little

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things that I've just sort of picked up from fatherhood

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and just being around that stuff. And you see certain

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things and like there's nothing scarier than stuff happening to

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your own kid. Yeah, So I mean, you know, a

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big thing is just if you can tie that emotional

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core and like you know, with Carrie, Mike Flanagan's like

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the king of that. It's just if you can write

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what you know and put yourself into a little bit.

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I think it helps just add some authenticity to the story.

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And then you know, inevitably the demon comes in and

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ruins everything. But there's always just that first act stuff

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where you're dealing with these really human things and most

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of those things are things that I've personally dealt with,

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and so you're just trying to you know, it's just

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like a form of expression that you're just trying to do.

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movie about my life, super boring. But if you can

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just sprinkle some of that into something much cooler, you know,

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ad it can add an extra layer for you.

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How did you know you worked with Not the Funeral Home,

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Matt and and Justin. How did they come into this?

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and a whole bunch of awesome stuff in the genre.

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We did a movie called The Puppet Man Back and

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we shot in twenty twenty two. And it came out

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in twenty twenty three, and that just sort of set

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up a relationship with us. You know, they've got a

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really close relationship with Shutter. I've got a close relationship

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with Shutter because this is my fifth movie with them,

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and it's just sort of it felt like a natural fit.

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And they're you know, they've just you know, they're they're

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great to work with. They're nice guys, and it's just

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that's what you're kind of looking for all the time.

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It's just, you know, my company is called super Chill.

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It's just I want to work with people that are

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fun to be around. Like Summer, she was amazing. She

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just came in, she knocked it out of the park

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and left and we still talk now. You know, we

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can shoot her at text and just you know, you

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create those relationships and those friendships on set, and I

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did that with those guys too. So it's just, you know,

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it's a lucky play place to be in life, to

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be able to shoot films with cool people.

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Absolutely, absolutely, And for both of you, you know, as fans,

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well in Summer, I don't I assume you are a

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fan of Horror Summer or are you not, like do

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you are you like binging horror out?

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I'm working on it, fully drawn to it. I love

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being in horror. It's a lot of fun on set

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because nobody takes it super seriously and you're creating this

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crazy thing. But watching it, I don't know, do you

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get scared? I get a little scared. I like comedy

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a lot. Since I got Carrie, I've been trying to

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watch more horror, so I'm starting to get into.

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It, all right. And what would you say your horror masterpiece,

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like the one that you love horror wise?

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I don't know, but I watched The Fall, the House

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of Usher, and like the Haunting of Hill House. Recently,

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I was getting into Mike's stuff because I've you know,

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I'm working with him now.

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a fan of horror who has obviously works deeply with

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it creating it. Where do you see this in kind

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of the pantheon of the bigger genre of horror?

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could like wave a magic will on and get my

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outcome from this, it would be something that people revisit

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yearly at Halloween because where there's so much Halloween injected

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in the film. It takes place during Halloween. It's just eighties,

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it's fall, it's orange. If it could turned into something

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that people watch like every year, there's always movies that

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I'll watch, like you know, Halloween and Trick or Treat

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eat and things.

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Like that, and there's the same by the way, Yeah.

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October first hits and they just start going through every

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day they start watching something. People make lists and stuff

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like that, and just being able to crack that yearly

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traditional list would be so cool. I don't know if

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that's going to happen. It's such a you know, but

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even to be discussed on that level and be like, oh, yeah,

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we know, I'm watching Night of the Reaper and Halloween.

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You're just like Jesus, like, I never you know, you

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never see that coming. So I mean that that would

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be the ultimate goal for this for sure.

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For me, just you know, in response to that, for me,

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I think this will be one that I'll be revisiting

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every year because it does have that cool vibe. Another

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one for me that I plan on watching every years

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Late Night with the Devil. It just has that cool

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Halloween vibe and it's a great movie. Trick or treat

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another one. So this will be in my you know,

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annual list, and I appreciate that as a as a fan,

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So thank you both so much for speaking with me.

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I can't wait for everybody to see Night of the

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Reaper exclusively on Shutter, which I love as well. Thank

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you guys, thanks so much. Man of course, Summer Howl.

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I'm Brandon Kristenson. How awesome are they? Night of the

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Reaper is out right? Now, go scream your face off

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and support indie horror while you're at it. All right,

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taking a quick break to pay the bills. Sixty seconds,

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I will be right back. Welcome back to Pop Culture Weekly.

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Thank you for supporting our sponsors who help me bring

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this show. You know, every episode now from Herror to History.

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We are talking. Billy the Kid, the hit MGM plus

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series is back for season three, and once again I

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have got Tom Blythe and Daniel Weber here to spill

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all the wild West te So settle up. My friends

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here they are Tom Blythe and Daniel Weber. Welcome back,

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Tom and Dan. I really appreciate it. How are you

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guys doing good? Good to see you man, Good to

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see you guys. So congratulations on the series. This is

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the third and final season. What does it feel like

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closing the book on, you know, something you've worked on

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for so long? This is the both of you.

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It's tough. Yeah, this one was actually tough to say

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goodbye to. You know, we've been doing this for three years.

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I've never been on a long, long running show where

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you've lived in the carter, got to know the people

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and it's not even just cast, but it's it's the crew,

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it's everybody involved. But yeah, then also, just it really

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hit me doing saying goodbye this. It surprised me. I

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thought I was all good. I was compartmentalizing it all,

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and then I woke up the morning afterwards and I

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just I crabbed like a baby, did you? Yeah, it

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just like it just hit me, So I don't know,

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it's it's meant, I don't know, and then we Yeah,

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it's been tough, man. It's the initial closing out was

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tricky and we were sort of getting on with life figures.

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We were really tight knit cast and crew, and we're

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honestly so lucky because these days TV shows don't often

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run for that long. So to get three seasons out

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of a show that you love is a real blessing.

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And we've built this like incredible little loyal fan base

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of the of the show and U and they keep

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keep bringing us back and we've just gotten closer and

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closer each season, and so it is a family, and

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I think it translates on the screen. You can see

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how much fun we're having and we get to do

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stuff that like they don't let people do anymore. We're

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riding our on horses, shooting our own guns, like last

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doing cows.

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I mean it's in the Rockies, in the middle of

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nowhere where that you've got moose and it's just you're

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you're in the wild, like truly in the wild.

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So I think we feel blessed and like lucky to

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have done it and we'll always miss it, but we'll

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always have it.

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Yeah, I love that. And for you know, I talked

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to you guys for season one and we didn't know

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where you know, season one was in the can, but

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we didn't know if there was going to be further

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stories there or whatever. How how now that you've you know,

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taken these characters through their full arc, how do you

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feel about that that, you know, looking back on day

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one and then and then the final day story wise,

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are you does that fulfill you as actors, you know,

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as telling these stories that, as you said, a lot

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of shows don't get to tell their whole story.

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You know, there's like a richness to the at least

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our relationship that that is not what Michael's not embellished

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this story between Jesse and Billy.

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It's it's something that is part of history, but for

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somehow it's really become like it's it's the headline characters

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in history, a sort of Pat Garrett and Billy the

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Kid and Michael's fleshed out this other relationship dynamic that

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it's never been on screen before, and it's it's really personally,

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really gratifying getting to to chart the whole course of that.

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I think if we'd stopped after season one, it would

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have been, you know, a tiny part of the story,

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because really I always saw this as three chapters of

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the friendship and then the ribe that's this bitter rivalry

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throughout the Lincoln County War, and then this this one

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where you know, historically Jesse wrote to Billy the Kid

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to come break him out of prison, and so I

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always knew that that was the book end to the story,

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because that sort of tells you quite a lot about

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these these sort of bitter rivals and the one person

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he reaches out to to come and help him in

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the end is his enemy. So that sort of complicated,

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you know, reluctant brotherhood that these two have has been

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really cool to try and chart. And the end of

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this season we got it to a place where I

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think we were really it was great to do because

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it has been so much fire for us and navigating

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these characters on set and by the end of their

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team and their partners, and so we got to have

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a bit of Catharsis in the sense where we got

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to really work as a team in a sort of

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traditional you know, duo character mythos like the Bush Cashley

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and Sundance Kid or True Detective or throw them in

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Luiz like that sort of you know, their misaligned characters.

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They have different worldviews and that what a big part

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of the conflict is. That's the part that's so much

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fun to try and play.

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Sorry for you, Tom, you know, there's been so many

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portrayals of Billy in film and TV and books and

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comic books, and how is your interpretation over you know,

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the past three years changed of him.

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If it has, Yeah, I mean I've not watched any

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of the others that hadn't seen any of them when

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I started doing Billion, and I chose not to watch

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any because I didn't want to mimic anyone's performance or

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do an imitation. Wanted this to be our version, my version,

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My understanding of him has changed over three seasons. I think,

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you know, there's almost like three distinct versions of Billy

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Season that we've gone through. In the first is season one,

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he's kind of lost. He's like a lost boy. He

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loses his family, and he's on the road all the time,

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and he's moving from town to town, state to state,

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and he is searching for something, and he's searching for

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himself within the kind of like terrain he finds himself

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in he kind of starts to find it. And then

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season two, he basically is trying to like carve out

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a life for himself in this like rugged terrain and

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is kind of like trying to achieve the American dream

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still and trying to be a farmer and almost like

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be a surrogate son to Tunstall because he's never had

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a real real father along the way and then all

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that gets ripped out from under him and he's a

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lost boy again. And then he's angry and lost and

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trying to be a leader. And then season three he

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like is a leader and he's leading this kind of

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resistant group essentially against the corrupt, the corruption he sees

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around him and trying to take down the house and

459
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the Rings, which are you know, part of history, were

460
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real corrupt, real corrupt groups that were like very much

461
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forming America at the time.

462
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And so yeah, and three he's like he's like Shay

463
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gri Era.

464
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He's like a he's like a resistance figure and he's

465
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like a gorilla warfare expert. So it's cool. I get to, like,

466
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I get to see him through these like three major

467
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transitions and h and kind of end up playing like

468
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a folklore kind of resistance hero.

469
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I love that. And this is finally for both of you.

470
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You know, what do you hope fans people that have

471
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been tuning in for three years? What do you hope

472
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that they take from this final chapter in this tale?

473
00:24:31.480 --> 00:24:31.799
Ooh?

474
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I mean, first of all, I hope they entertained. I

475
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hope they get to watch Western like that is a

476
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proper classic Western it's like the hero's journey. There's relationships,

477
00:24:42.279 --> 00:24:44.440
like Dan said, that feel like Butching Sun Dance and

478
00:24:44.480 --> 00:24:51.480
like that classic Western romanticism with real Western action. So

479
00:24:51.519 --> 00:24:53.359
I hope they're entertained, and then I hope they like

480
00:24:53.960 --> 00:24:55.960
I think Michael Hurst is really good at holding a

481
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mirror up to like also what's going on today and

482
00:24:58.319 --> 00:25:01.920
saying a lot has changed and also a lot hasn't changed.

483
00:25:02.680 --> 00:25:06.839
And the political atmosphere is very much like mirrored in

484
00:25:06.880 --> 00:25:10.480
the show. And ultimately, I think Michael's trying to say,

485
00:25:10.519 --> 00:25:12.599
look like, at the end of the day, our humanity

486
00:25:12.680 --> 00:25:15.720
is what matters the most, and that's what Billy believes,

487
00:25:15.720 --> 00:25:18.200
and that's what like I think Jesse comes to believe.

488
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And I think he's kind of he's making a point

489
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about like a common humanity.

490
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Help about for you dare. I mean, I think Tom

491
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said it so perfectly. You know, obviously the entertainment aspect

492
00:25:33.720 --> 00:25:35.799
of it all, like you got three three different fates

493
00:25:35.799 --> 00:25:40.720
colliding this this season. You've got Pat Garrett who's hunting,

494
00:25:41.440 --> 00:25:44.559
You've got Billy the Kid, he's on the rum, this idealist,

495
00:25:44.920 --> 00:25:48.640
you know, revolutionary sort of figure, and then Jesse this

496
00:25:48.799 --> 00:25:54.880
sort of pragmatist, survivalist, and cynic ultimately, and I think

497
00:25:54.880 --> 00:25:58.160
we're just watching those those sort of forces, and each

498
00:25:58.359 --> 00:26:01.839
each character is such a force on their own collide.

499
00:26:01.880 --> 00:26:04.119
I think that that will be really I hope that's

500
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engaging and entertaining because it was so much fun to

501
00:26:07.559 --> 00:26:11.480
play and to flesh that out and to see what

502
00:26:11.519 --> 00:26:15.079
he does, see what Alex brings. So I think that's

503
00:26:15.079 --> 00:26:17.720
I actually thin it's gonna be incredible. It's an enormous season.

504
00:26:17.960 --> 00:26:22.720
It's full of action, great, great characters and story. And

505
00:26:22.759 --> 00:26:25.519
then yeah, it's it's I think it's a good time

506
00:26:25.599 --> 00:26:30.039
to be talking about people who stand up to essentially oppression,

507
00:26:30.759 --> 00:26:35.119
and so it's great being a part of that voice.

508
00:26:35.160 --> 00:26:38.279
And I know we're doing it in a television format,

509
00:26:38.319 --> 00:26:40.359
but it's a good message to be putting out there,

510
00:26:40.519 --> 00:26:43.799
to stand up, to have your voice heard in this

511
00:26:43.920 --> 00:26:44.519
day and age.

512
00:26:45.119 --> 00:26:47.440
Yeah, it's and it's just a testament to the fact

513
00:26:47.440 --> 00:26:51.599
that art matters, you know. Thank you both so much,

514
00:26:51.640 --> 00:26:56.160
congratulations on all three seasons. I love it and I

515
00:26:56.200 --> 00:26:57.839
can't wait for everybody to see it.

516
00:26:57.920 --> 00:26:58.880
Awesome, thank you, thank you.

517
00:26:59.400 --> 00:27:06.759
Thank you guys, Tom Blythe and Daniel Webber. Two incredible actors.

518
00:27:06.880 --> 00:27:09.480
And seriously, if you're not watching Billy the Kid yet,

519
00:27:09.759 --> 00:27:12.160
you're missing out. Start with season one. Season three is

520
00:27:12.160 --> 00:27:15.880
streaming right now on MGM plus, so binge responsibly. But

521
00:27:15.960 --> 00:27:20.240
it is a great historical action drama. I love it

522
00:27:20.599 --> 00:27:22.799
all right. That's gonna wrap it up for this episode

523
00:27:22.799 --> 00:27:25.680
of pop Culture Weekly. Huge thanks to my guest Summer

524
00:27:25.839 --> 00:27:29.400
h Howel, Brandon Christensen, Tom Blythe, and Daniel Weber. Make

525
00:27:29.440 --> 00:27:32.519
sure you subscribe, leave a review, and tell your mom

526
00:27:32.519 --> 00:27:35.599
about the show, because she and I we'd get along great.

527
00:27:36.160 --> 00:27:39.759
I'm Kyle McMahon. This is pop Culture Weekly. I love you,

528
00:27:39.880 --> 00:27:40.720
See you next week.

529
00:27:41.039 --> 00:27:44.400
Well, thank you for listening to pop Culture Weekly. Here

530
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all the latest at popcultureweekly dot com.

531
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Maight of billyyly th reper

532
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Mmhm