The First Omen with Nell Tiger Free & Insights into AI with Eric Yaverbaum

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In this episode of pop Culture Weekly, I talk once again with Nel Tiger

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Free, this time all about her
brand new film The First Omen, and

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I talk with Eric Yaberbaum, CEO
of Erico Communications, about AI and how

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it can cause crisis, not just
in celebrities lives, but yours and mine.

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You ready, let's go. Welcome
to pop Culture Weekly with Kyle McMahon

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from iHeartRadio your pop culture news,
views, reviews and celebrity interviews on all

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culture U Crab Weekly. Here's Kyle McMahon,

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nan Net Nana no net, Hello, and welcome the pop Culture Weekly

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with Kyle McMahon. I of course
am Kyle McMahon, and thank you for

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joining me once again to talk pop
culture. So in this episode, I

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talk once again with Nel tiger Free, love her. We talk about her

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brand new film The First, and
I talk with Eric Yaverbaum, who is

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CEO of Erico Communications. He is
a best selling author of seven different books

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and great guy, very very knowledgeable
about crisis, pr management, branding,

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advertising, all of that. And
so him and I talked today about some

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of the dangers of with AI and
how fast technology is moving. It's bad

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enough as you know, not just
a you know, you and me,

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but a public figure that AI can
be used against us, you know.

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And it's especially true for public figures
because there's so much video and photos and

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info out there already about them.
So I talk with Eric about you know,

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what is going on and what do
we do about it? So,

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without further ado, let's talk with
Eric Yaverbaum. So I am here with

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Eric Yavbaum, CEO of Erico Communications
and best selling author of seven different books.

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Thank you so much for joining me, Eric, that's my pleasure.

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I'm a big fan. Thanks for
having me. Thank you. So you

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are an expert and in what I'd
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And you know, with the rise
in AI, with all of the potential

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you know, bombs that could explode
in a public figures career, especially today,

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especially with the rise of AI,
you are an expert in how to

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maneuver around that, and you know
what to look for as a public figure

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or and even just as the public
should all this be a thing. Anyway,

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how are you? I'm doing great. Hopefully nobody will use AI to

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manipulate what I'm saying today exactly.
Yeah. Well, first of all,

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give me a little bit of your
background. You know, I've been running

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agencies for forty years. In New
York City, I ran an agency that

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was rated as one of the best
to work for in the country when I

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sold it to Wall Street. Worked
in the on the transition team between Bush

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and Obama, spent obamas first year
in the White House when I started the

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agency that I'm running. Now.
My spare time I write books. I've

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written seven right now, awesome,
and you seven of them all seven of

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them have been best sellers. So
your spare time hobby is also a pretty

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cool gig itself. You know what
I always say to authors, because I

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encourage everybody to write a book,
don't quit your day job. There you

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go. So what do you think
of the state of everything? I mean,

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it's hard enough being a public figure
just in general, and now you

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have AI on top of that,
where you know, somebody can type in

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some prompts into their iPhone and you
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something that he didn't say or whatever. Perfect example considering where we're out in

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history, because we're literally making it
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there's no guardrails. I mean,
don't have rules yet. I mean

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there's some, but not a lot. We're literally, you know, we're

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literally building the plane while we're flying
it. And I've done a lot of

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television interviews recently, and I said, if I wanted to, I could

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take the interview, or they could
take the interview literally manipulate exactly what I

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said could spread all over the internet
like wildfire in a minute. How do

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I get that all back in.
One of the things I learned as a

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kid in this industry is the worst
time to prepare. Elizabeth Dolp said this

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to me. The worst time that
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river's rising, And you know,
that's where we're at right now with AI,

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at a very precarious time in all
of history for us, all of

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us who were watching anything to know
what's real and what's not. I recently

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watched they showed me a clip of
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and you know, I watched it. I watched the clip. I

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knew it wasn't real. I mean, my eyes could see that, let

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alone, that was unlikely they would
be playing one on one. And when

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they showed me a clip that was
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than a year later. I couldn't
it looked real. That's what happened in

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less than a year. And the
thing about artificial intelligence is the rate at

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which it's getting better, the velocity
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never seen velocity like this before.
It's improving itself every single solitary day.

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Wow. So is there a plan
in place to you know, do we

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need legislation? Is there a legislation
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this? Is it a governmental problem? Well, yes, we need we

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need legislation, we need guardrails,
we need laws. We have none of

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that. I mean, if you
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one of the things that you would
have seen is that the people that are

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asking the questions they don't they don't
understand technology. I think the wrong people

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are asking the questions. We need
a younger demographic policing and monitoring what any

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of us say on any given day. And you know, again, we're

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we're you know, we're we're we're
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There's there's nothing in place right now. I really hope that there will be

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before the presidential election. Because there's
going to be some We got enough of

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an issue with misinformation as it is. If you're a public figure, and

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you know, we'll take you know, the most recent incident, you know,

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with the royal family. But look
at what one picture turns into,

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you know, an incredible conspiracy theory
that it's not you know, Kate Middleton

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just wanted it. She altered her
hand in the picture. And everybody knows

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it's a fake picture. I mean
everybody, doesn't. You look at that

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picture. Look look real to me
and clearly a mistake to do anything like

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that, especially when you're involved in
the middle of you know, all sorts

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of rampant speculation. But you know, that's the world that we live in

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now, and you know, I
do hope I strongly encourage, you know,

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members of Congress to do something about
this, to make sure while we're

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electing a president of the most powerful
country in the world, that we're all

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getting as the most accurate information we
possibly can. And there's two things about

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you know, AI, what we
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what we read and who we can
trust, and what we see because if

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you know, a picture can speak
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speak a thousand words. Imagine what
a video can do, and imagine what

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a video can do that's been altered
by AI that we cannot tell was altered

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by AI. Yeah, you know, I I am. You know,

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I'm no Ryan Seacrest or anything,
but you know, I have a sizable

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audience, and so I've always been
cognizant of what I put into texts and

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that sort of thing. Not that
I'm doing anything nefarious, but I'm just

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worried that, you know, somebody
can screenshot that and who knows what they

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can turn it into. And now, of course you again, you can

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go online and make me say something
that I didn't never said in the first

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place. Is there any kind of
technology that can I know, Adobe does

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something with water marking, which I
don't know enough about how that works,

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But is there technology that we could
use as a standard to say this is

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generated? Yeah, water marking is
good. And by the way, there

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is rules have been put in place
by Facebook and by Google in anticipation of

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all sorts of political advertising where it
will be watermarked. But that's just you

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know, that's just Facebook and Google. There's a whole world out there of

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you know, information dissemination that doesn't
have that rule in place. But yes,

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water marking can let me Now it's
like you know, in the good

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old days, the Good Housekeeping seal
of approval, let me know if it

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was approved by Good Housekeeping, it
must be good or consumer reports again the

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old days. Yeah, watermarking can
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But we you know, we're seeing
commercials on television now that are generated by

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AI. We're seeing all sorts of
things spin around the Internet that are generated

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by AI. And it's hard to
discern. If it was hard to discern

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between fact and fiction, it's significantly
harder to discern between what am I looking

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at that is actually legitimately filmed and
what am I looking at that's been altered

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by AI. So how does a
person just you know, a regular Joe

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if I'm you know, browsing online. What are some tips that can help

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me determine I'm looking at you know, ex. Public figure saying this or

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this is something some guy you know
in a basement in some other country created

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with you know, a free tool. Well, generally speaking, pretty much

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like everything, if you have the
patience to do it, or if you

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want to do it if you try
to source something in multiple places, is

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you'll be able to tell when when
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of you know, a news event
as an example, and you search that

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news event in other ways and you
see it portrayed in two different ways,

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you know, as a red flag
somebody one of those was changed. And

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that's the best that you can possibly
do. And you know, we're in

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an era now where if you want
accurate information, you're going to need to

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do that, especially if you're using
you know, digital resources to get your

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information, which the vast majority of
people are. And most people aren't reading

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the newspaper, most people aren't watching
you know, their television in the morning

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anymore. They're getting all of their
information digitally, social and digital media.

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That is the information dissemination landscape that
we live in now. You've got to

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check multiple places, and you've got
to feel really confident about the places that

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you check being accurate. And what
about for public figures, you know,

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how can they do their best because
there's there's not going to be a fool

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proof way. What's the best way
to kind of you know, do your

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best to to kind of contain something
like this, Well, the best thing

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that you could possibly do is be
prepared. Now, what is your plan?

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What will you do when the video
spreads all over the internet about you

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that's not even anything you ever said
or a legit whatsoever. What is your

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plan? Do you have something in
place? You know, in the old

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days, when there was a in
my youth, I was well known as

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being a crisis counselor. One of
the things about being a crisis counselor I

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always tell a story about you know, I represented or my agency did a

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lot of multinational companies. I would
get a heads up out of Stockholm,

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just as an example. Oh,
this terrible story just ran in Stockholm.

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It'll hit the United States by Monday. We could work all week forty eight

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straight hours all weekend long to prepare
for when it hit the United States.

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Now we have one second. There's
no time to prep The only time to

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prepare your plan is in advance.
Wow, And that's when people should be

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consulting someone like you to have a
plan in place. Correct, Yes,

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everybody should be calling just me?
Well yeah, yeah, I mean you

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need to get professionals involved who have
experience, And I use experience loosely because

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this is really we're in the wild
wild West right now. This is really

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brand new, and the people that
have any depth of experience or few and

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far between. But you want to
get somebody to advise you that's had some

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experience with this literal issue. You
know, in the next year you're going

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to find a lot of people that
have. But it's so important that when

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you consult with anybody who has experienced
doing this, that they can show you

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here's what happened with X y Z
famous person, Here's what we did.

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Here's what we can do for you. Because it's complicated, it's changing every

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single solitary day, and experts are
few and far between. I mean,

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the thing about technology is for absolutely
everybody, no matter how old you are,

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the fact that technology is advancing in
our lifetime. Every single solitary viewer

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of this podcast will know. Yes, of course, technology has been advancing

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my entire lifetime. The difference is
the velocity and the rate at which is

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changing, and it's faster and faster
and faster and faster. It's breathless to

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keep up with. Yeah, it's
terrifying. And you know, as I

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think about it, I think of
even not just public figures, but you

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know, custody battles and jaded lovers
and all. You know, there's all

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kinds of ways that this could affect
everybody and anybody. Well, I mean,

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you know, I grew up in
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TV for most of my career.
I was in real newspapers for most of

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my career, you know, being
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Anybody can have their own Facebook channel. Now this is one example. Yes,

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every single solitary one of us should
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from pedestrians to corporate America and everything
in between. If I want to,

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you know, a listener or review
or wants to start with one of

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your books, what's the one you
say? You would say, start with

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this one. First, none of
them. Don't read any of them,

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They're all out of date. To
second I write, and I mean,

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this is the same thing. This
is the issue with you know, expertise

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and who do you trust. I
mean people I don't know. Fifteen years

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ago, twenty years ago, they
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unquote social media expert and they want
to pay my agency to give them social

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media advice. And what I would
tell people when I talked about this on

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television all the time. Is any
advice that I can give you will be

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out of date By the time I
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now? What you will see is
a lot of new re sources coming out,

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And then the question becomes is I
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Digital at Speed. I couldn't write
it fast enough. It was out of

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literally to significantly make that more challenging. People who play in the AI space

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and play and work in the AI
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you're going to want to go to
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tiger Free talking the First Omen see
in sixty. All right, welcome back

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she is starring in the first Omen,

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And I love this film obviously.
The Omen is a classic iconic horror movie

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came out in nineteen six seventy six
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and it's a classic film, you
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film that was directed by Richard Donner
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original Omen actually received mixed reviews from
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success, and it grows like seventy
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sixty two million at the US box
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grossing films of the year, and
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dollars, so and it ended up
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Best Original Score. It also,
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Omen two, which was released in
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The Final Conflict in nineteen eighty one, Omen four The Awakening in nineteen ninety

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one, and then a remake of
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the franchise and you know, links
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before you watch the new one.
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yeah, the sixth film. The
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so good. It is a prequel
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stars Nel Tiger Free, who I
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she prepares to take the veil to
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who is a priest who warns Margaret
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on within the church. It is
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very moody in its cinematography. The
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just jump scares, but kind of
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mean. The soundtrack is absolutely wildly
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and it's I really love how it's
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on that are it's just wonderfully written. It's moody and atmospheric. There's so

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many twists and turns. Nell is
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the original Omen. So let's jump
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Tiger Free. So, first of
all, once again, now thank you

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for joining me on iHeart. I
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we are talking about the First Omen, which I saw a screener of and

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I am obsessed with it is Yes, I love it so much. It's

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like it's so good. It's moody, and it's atmospheric, and it's like

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world building. You are amazing.
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seat and it's horror and it's just
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I really do love it. Thank
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Stevenson. Yes, yes, so
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obviously the star of the First Omen. Why did did this project speak to

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you? I mean, I'm a
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original Omen when I was around eleven, so, you know, discovering what

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the character's journey is and who she
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it just felt like the most exciting
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be honest, And when I read
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a sense of relief because I was
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and I read it and I was
like, look, even just coming

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as a fan, I love what
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if I'm not a part of it, I hope I am, like I

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didn't know yet, and even if
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I'm just something I'd really want to
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I got the phone call. Yeah, and then going and you know,

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actually filming and going into production.
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Omen is such a iconic horror film,

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beloved by so many, not just
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you know, such a big movie. Once you finally got to set,

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were you like, oh wow,
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Yes? Truly, truly, Yes, we actually hit the ground running

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quite intensely. We the first scene
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was which I just called seam one
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my head. It's the scene where
I'm in without giving a spoiler, of

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Brennan's apartment and that whole sequence.
It took us like three days to get

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the whole sequence, which is also
my audition scene, which was a big

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one. So like we started with
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the cast and the crew and everyone. It just felt like, you know,

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a baptism of fire if you will, at the beginning. And you

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know, I wasn't used to so
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getting used to just everyone around us, and it just Yeah, there was

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definitely a moment where there was like
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I was like, oh, this
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you had seen the Omen originally when
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for me, especially as you being
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now you're a part of that legacy

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or a part of that franchise and
it's such an excellent, you know,

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chapter into the series. Were you
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you know, I am now a
part of a film, that film franchise

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that I've loved since I was eleven. Oh, my god, absolutely absolutely.

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I don't think at any point eleven
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thought that one day, you know, I would be a part of it.

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It's just like even like a concept
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at the time. Yeah, when
I when I knew I was going to

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do this movie and knew who my
character was and what it was going to

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be, I just kind of,
like I keep saying, I just geeked

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out. It's like the best way
I could describe it. It's like it's

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such a strange thing to wrap your
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like such an iconic film from so
long ago, where you just it feels

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so removed from you, as like
something that you can like revere and and

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you know, admire and look up
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become a part of it was genuinely
it was a real like pinch me moment,

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especially doing it on the with aar
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just kind of like this is the
dream. Yeah. Yeah. As a

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as a horror buff and as a
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For me, I cannot wait for
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good and it's you know, such
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franchise, but into horror in general, and I love the world building that

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was done. I felt, you
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that I love Servants so much,
is one of my favorite series ever,

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is because Night did such an amazing
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like I lived down the street from
the you know, the Brownstone in Philly.

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This is similarly. It's well thought
out. You know, I felt

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immediately with the opening scene like I'm
okay, I'm here and I'm in it.

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I'm trying to be as spoiler for
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obviously you're doing tons of cuts and

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scenes and you're going out of order
often and that sort of thing. But

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do you still get to feel that
like, Wow, I'm in this world

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that's been created or as an actor, are you like kind of because it's

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so cut up and stuff in production, does that take you out of that?

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good question. It was such an

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immersive experience making this movie. You
know, we were in Rome, and

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the longer we spent in Rome with
like the content that we were making them

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more it kind of like induces this
paranoia because there's statues in so much religious

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iconography, and it felt like they
were watching us for a while, and

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like, you know, it kind
of induced this. There's a little bit

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of this like paranoid state for in
everybody because we'd been living with it for

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so long, and like ninety nine
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we're on location. We're actually there, we're doing those things. And if

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it was very rare that we were
on the sound stage, but even if

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we were, Arkasha made sure that
the atmosphere felt exactly like it should be

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in the scene. So like you
know, there's a in the ending,

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we're in these catacombs for like we
shot it over like six or seven days,

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and we're in this room where you
know, it was a giant dome,

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so you couldn't hear your own voice
because of the echoes, and there

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was fire, and it felt like
how it felt like it translated the way

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that you saw it. That's how
it felt, and it always felt that

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way. There's a particular scene where
I come out of the car and that

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you know, there's something happens.
I don't want to say. I was

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shot at four in the morning and
we were all, you know, running

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on empty, but and it just
everything just lent itself to make it feel

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like we were living this thing.
And it's a really helpful thing performance wise

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as well. When you feel like
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that's awesome. And it comes across
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a viewer, I mean it.
I love that you're saying that, because

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it feels like it. You know, I wondered how much was the movie

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magic, but you're saying that,
you know it was there for you too,

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and I love to hear that.
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know, even all of the special
effects, that all of it, none

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of it's CGI. It's like pretty
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It's all there, which is awesome
and something a lot, you know,

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especially as a horror buff, not
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You know, a lot of CGI
has done a lot in horror, and

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you know very much so with the
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those like real you know, kind
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which was also a treat as a
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that as well. I think it was

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trying to keep with the original in
the seventies where they didn't have access to

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the same sort of technology that we
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there was an element of nostalgia without
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anything was borrowed too heavily or a
Kasha was great at that and that was

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all the Carsha's bag. But like, yeah, having these physical practical effects,

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I think it keeps it keeps tonally
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kind of like an ode to that. Yeah. Yeah, for you,

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you know, as you're doing the
first OMEN, as you're reading it,

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you know the script for me very
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seat, you know, like I'm
all in immediately. As you know,

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as I mentioned earlier, do you
get that same Do some of that get

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lost as you go through? Like
you know, I'm assuming the shoot was

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at least a few months, did
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there for around four and a half
four four and a half months, So

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do you lose that as it goes
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an actor like stay all in,
because I imagine some days you're like,

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I don't want to be in this
like dark place today, or are you

409
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able to pull it and be like
all right now, you know what I

410
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mean, let's just dive all in
or how do you handle that mentally,

411
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especially with something that's kind of dark? You know, yeah, it was

412
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really dark content. I think the
way that you handle that is just like

413
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keeping some levity in your personal life, like even just you know, something

414
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I leant on to give me some
sort of separation is that, like,

415
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you know, Margaret has a different
accent than I do, and things like

416
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that, where you can kind of
switch back to yourself and like shed the

417
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skin a little bit. Luckily for
me, I find that pretty easy thing

418
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to do, is to separate the
character from myself. I think, I'm

419
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whatever. The opposite of a method
actor is just kind of just let it

420
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go and let it live there and
then come and put the skin back on

421
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the next day. Yeah, and
you know, the content was really dark,

422
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but the energy was lovely, and
like the environment was lovely. The

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people we all lent on each other
so much, like I cannot even explain

424
00:31:22.799 --> 00:31:26.960
to you that the love and the
relationship I have with our cast show.

425
00:31:26.000 --> 00:31:32.079
It was like we bonded because so
much because we made this crazy thing together.

426
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And you know what, like carsh
says, we took a lot of

427
00:31:34.319 --> 00:31:37.920
big swings, and there were lots
of moments where I was like, Okay,

428
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this is either going to be really
good or really bad. Let's hope.

429
00:31:41.680 --> 00:31:45.359
Let's hope for the best and hopefully
it's the former, but you know,

430
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I'll let people decide. And yeah, it never felt too strenuous for

431
00:31:51.079 --> 00:31:53.200
me because I just I always really
believed in what we were doing, so

432
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I wanted to go there and go
to those places in my head. Yeah,

433
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I love that, and like I
said, it comes across that way.

434
00:32:02.039 --> 00:32:05.759
I just I was always kind of
curious, you know, even with

435
00:32:05.839 --> 00:32:10.839
like Servant, where you're you're dealing
with heavy material. So it's cool to

436
00:32:10.880 --> 00:32:15.000
know, you know that you're able
to, you know, when you wrap

437
00:32:15.039 --> 00:32:19.039
for the day, like Okay,
I'm nell and I'm gonna text my friends

438
00:32:19.119 --> 00:32:21.799
or you know what I mean whatever, going to go for the for a

439
00:32:21.880 --> 00:32:25.279
drink with the nun that was in
the corner of my room. That's kind

440
00:32:25.279 --> 00:32:29.559
of the thing, Like, you
know, it's kind of the thing like

441
00:32:29.720 --> 00:32:34.160
Ishta who has a very specific and
terrifying role in the movie is like one

442
00:32:34.200 --> 00:32:37.039
of my closest friends. It's just
like you separate characters from person and you

443
00:32:37.079 --> 00:32:42.000
all go get a drink afterwards.
Yeah, how wonderfully weird. Your job

444
00:32:42.079 --> 00:32:49.079
is jobs and you get paid for
it, which was awesome. It's like

445
00:32:49.160 --> 00:32:52.960
the dream, you know, to
get paid to love or to get paid

446
00:32:52.599 --> 00:32:57.160
to do what you love is always
so incredible. Yeah, I'm really enjoying

447
00:32:57.200 --> 00:33:00.759
like the concept of the moment of
being paid to just terrify people. That

448
00:33:00.880 --> 00:33:07.160
is such a satisfying feeling. Are
you I would think you're a scream queen

449
00:33:07.240 --> 00:33:10.359
now right. I don't know.
I don't know if I've yet earned that

450
00:33:10.519 --> 00:33:14.240
ty stile. I might have to
get a few more under my belt,

451
00:33:15.559 --> 00:33:20.160
but it's something I'm working towards.
Okay, all right, And are you

452
00:33:20.319 --> 00:33:27.279
like you're like you're totally going to
be doing more horror film. I hope.

453
00:33:27.359 --> 00:33:30.559
So. I mean, I'm happy
to try anything, or it seems

454
00:33:30.599 --> 00:33:32.119
to be the place where I feel
most comfy at the moment. You know,

455
00:33:32.200 --> 00:33:36.000
I think it would be more challenging
for me to do like a Rongkong

456
00:33:36.160 --> 00:33:40.839
or something no one's getting decapitated today. No, I think I would be

457
00:33:40.920 --> 00:33:44.920
quite a polarizing thing to be happy
smiling all the time. But you know,

458
00:33:45.960 --> 00:33:47.519
never say never. I'm just always. I'm just interested to see.

459
00:33:47.559 --> 00:33:50.880
To be honest, I don't know
what I'm doing next at all. I'm

460
00:33:50.920 --> 00:33:54.079
like consumed in the Oman verse at
the moment. Yeah, yeah, but

461
00:33:54.160 --> 00:33:58.319
we'll see. Yeah. I think
I think, in my opinion, you're

462
00:33:58.359 --> 00:34:01.519
a scream queen already. I mean, you did such a great job with

463
00:34:01.519 --> 00:34:07.319
with Margaret, and speaking of you
were talking about accents. I probably sounded

464
00:34:07.359 --> 00:34:09.880
like a crazy person as I was
leaving the screening room, but I was

465
00:34:10.119 --> 00:34:14.400
you were at one point You're like
hello, and I'm going to butcher it

466
00:34:14.480 --> 00:34:19.639
and embarrass myself, but you know
you're like you were like, hello,

467
00:34:19.760 --> 00:34:24.239
Hello, gorgeous or something. Do
you know what I'm talking about? Hello

468
00:34:24.519 --> 00:34:32.639
gorgeous? That was pretty good.
Do you when you're doing accents, do

469
00:34:32.760 --> 00:34:37.679
you find it hard to turn off? Like, and this kind of goes

470
00:34:37.840 --> 00:34:39.599
with what you were saying with the
character at the end of the rap or

471
00:34:39.639 --> 00:34:44.039
the end of the day. But
but I feel like when you are,

472
00:34:45.039 --> 00:34:50.360
you know, doing a character that
is not in your native accent, uh

473
00:34:50.480 --> 00:34:52.280
is it hard to kind of turn
that part off too, because I feel

474
00:34:52.320 --> 00:34:57.079
like that's more like a thing that
you know, you're doing it for so

475
00:34:57.199 --> 00:35:00.760
many hours a day, specific thing
or is that just kind of like the

476
00:35:00.800 --> 00:35:04.559
rest of it for you. It's
just kind of like the rest of it,

477
00:35:04.599 --> 00:35:07.320
to be honest, that accent is
kind of a helpful tool because it

478
00:35:07.400 --> 00:35:10.199
lets you just immediately slip back into
a character. It just gives you such

479
00:35:10.199 --> 00:35:15.639
of separation between you and them.
And to be honest, I haven't done

480
00:35:15.679 --> 00:35:20.920
an English accent in this on screen
for I think seven years now, wow,

481
00:35:21.079 --> 00:35:23.559
So I'm just used to it.
I feel like acting Nell as American

482
00:35:24.199 --> 00:35:30.679
now, I was just kind of
hoping for the best and plots along next

483
00:35:30.679 --> 00:35:32.880
to her. That's kind of how
I feel. American Nell has all of

484
00:35:32.920 --> 00:35:37.760
that, all this, you know, all the good stuff, and ELL's

485
00:35:37.800 --> 00:35:40.519
just in a constant state of panic. I don't even know what I sound

486
00:35:40.599 --> 00:35:47.039
like anymore, to be honest,
if this is my real accent, genuinely,

487
00:35:50.000 --> 00:35:52.920
it's so funny. Do you.
And again I'm trying to be as

488
00:35:52.920 --> 00:36:00.639
spoiler free as possible. Is there
room for more entries in the omen the

489
00:36:00.079 --> 00:36:04.039
universe? I hope? So I
hope. So I think, you know,

490
00:36:04.079 --> 00:36:07.599
there's so many new characters in this
film that we introduce, and you

491
00:36:07.639 --> 00:36:10.599
know, an any films following could
follow any of their trajectories and you know,

492
00:36:12.199 --> 00:36:15.920
go to anybody's perspective. So I
think that there's definitely room. It's

493
00:36:15.000 --> 00:36:22.599
open for it. Well see how
this one goes. Look, I don't

494
00:36:22.639 --> 00:36:24.679
think there's going to be a problem
at all. This is such I'm like

495
00:36:24.960 --> 00:36:30.760
is screaming from the rooftops about the
First Omen. It is coming out this

496
00:36:30.840 --> 00:36:36.400
week or today or whenever, depending
on when you're watching it or listening.

497
00:36:36.639 --> 00:36:38.920
But now, thank you so much
for speaking with me once again. I

498
00:36:38.960 --> 00:36:44.000
actually think this makes you the guests
that I've had on the most now,

499
00:36:44.000 --> 00:36:49.079
because there was like four seasons of
Servant, plus we did the Red Carpets

500
00:36:49.079 --> 00:36:51.440
and all that, so it was
like eight, you know, eight different

501
00:36:51.440 --> 00:36:57.119
times with Servant, and now this
would be nine. Yeah, that is

502
00:36:57.119 --> 00:37:00.960
an absolute honor. I have to
keep that honor. I'll come on as

503
00:37:00.039 --> 00:37:07.119
many times as you'll have me.
Of course. Thank you, it's yours.

504
00:37:07.360 --> 00:37:12.079
Thank you so much, Nell.
Congrats on the film. I can't

505
00:37:12.079 --> 00:37:16.159
wait for everybody to see the First
Omen. Thank you, Nell. Tiger

506
00:37:16.280 --> 00:37:22.079
free love her. She is such
a delight. She is so talented,

507
00:37:22.159 --> 00:37:24.559
and she's so much fun too.
I got to hang out with her at

508
00:37:24.599 --> 00:37:31.280
the rat party for After I'm Sorry, the premiere party for the Final Servant,

509
00:37:31.440 --> 00:37:36.280
Final season of Servant. She is
so much fun, She's so down

510
00:37:36.320 --> 00:37:39.000
to earth, such a ball.
She's hilarious and so talented, and I

511
00:37:39.159 --> 00:37:45.280
am loving that she keeps on just
shooting up higher and higher and hire in

512
00:37:45.320 --> 00:37:49.920
the entertainment business. It's well deserved. Such a great person, all right.

513
00:37:50.440 --> 00:37:54.679
So you can get my full review
on Popcultureweekly dot com of the first

514
00:37:54.679 --> 00:37:59.880
Omen. I guess sound dyslexic.
There. You can get my full review

515
00:38:00.159 --> 00:38:04.679
the first Omen up on Popcultureweekly dot
com, And like I said, check

516
00:38:04.719 --> 00:38:13.559
out the guide to the omenfranchise on
podcast dot Popcultureweekly dot com and get yourself

517
00:38:13.599 --> 00:38:16.559
all caught up if you want.
Before you go and see the first Omen.

518
00:38:16.599 --> 00:38:20.880
It is so good. I want
to know what you think about the

519
00:38:20.920 --> 00:38:24.719
first Omen and what you think about
this episode. Hit me up on socials.

520
00:38:24.760 --> 00:38:30.960
I'm on Instagram and Facebook and YouTube
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521
00:38:30.039 --> 00:38:34.480
me up and let me know what
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522
00:38:34.639 --> 00:38:37.480
or Kyle McMahon or Popculture Weekly,
one of them. You'll hit me somehow,

523
00:38:37.480 --> 00:38:39.840
you guys find a way to send
me hate mail, send me some

524
00:38:40.639 --> 00:38:45.559
love mail too, and maybe I'll
just feature your hot take on the show.

525
00:38:46.039 --> 00:38:50.599
All right, I'll see you next
week. I love you. We

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