Kevin Bacon & Jennifer Nettles (The Bondsman); Comedy Icon Sandra Bernhard

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In this episode of pop Culture Weekly, I talk with

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the one and only Kevin Bacon and the amazing Jennifer

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Nettles and the legendary comedian and Sandra Bernhard. Let's go.

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Welcome to pop Culture Weekly with Kyle McMahon from My

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Heart Radio your pop culture news, views, reviews, and celebrity

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interviews on all the movies, TV, music and pop culture

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u CRABE Weekly. Here's Kyle McMahon.

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Nick No No no NT, Hello, and welcome to pop Culture

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Weekly with Kyle McMahon. I, of course am Kyle McMahon.

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I thank you as always for joining me once again

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for another episode of pop Culture Weekly. We've got such

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a great all interview episode, and I talk with the

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one and only Kevin Bacon and Jennifer Nettles, who I love.

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I love sugar Land, I love Jennifer Nettles, I love

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her voice, I love her acting. She's just an amazing person.

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And I'm talking to both of them about the brand

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new series The Bondsman on Amazon Prime Video. And I

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talk with Sandra Bernhardt. I love her so much. She's

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one of my favorite comedians and she has been, you know,

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just such at the forefront of so many things in

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comedy in her incredible career, so I'm really excited to

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talk to her too. Just an update on me, I

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went to the orthopedic doctor once again, and I have

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been downgraded from the full immobilizing brace that was going

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from like my thigh high thigh all the way down

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to my ankle, and now I'm in a compression sleeve.

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I'm still using crutches, and I'm gonna be able to

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test out driving soon. So it'll be almost two months

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since I've driven myself anywhere, which is crazy. But in

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any event, that's just a little update on me. So

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let's get right into it because we have a big

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show today that I'm really excited about. Today. We have

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the distinct honor of speaking with a true original. She

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is a comedic force who has never been afraid to

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speak her mind ever, and she's been making us laugh

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for decades with her sharp wit and her fearless observations

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and her marriage of comedy and music. She is a

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cultural icon. She is a trailblazer, and she is a

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living comedy legend. The incomparable Sandra Bernhardt is on today

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and I am so excited to talk to her. She

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is joining us to talk all about her brand new

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comedy tour, the Shapes and Forms twenty twenty five tour.

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So that's gonna be awesome. I can't wait to see it.

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And you can catch her live in cities across the country,

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so make sure to check Sandra Bernhard dot com for

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dates and tickets and all that stuff. So let's jump

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right into my interview with the one and only Sandra Bernhart. Well,

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first of all, thank you, the one and only Sandra

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Bernhard come to iHeartRadio as a pop culture weekly. I

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really appreciate it. You're an amazing talent. Thank you.

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Thank you appreciate it.

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Of course, So you you were going to talk about

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your your tour dates for this year and and certain

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show that you're currently on.

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What U But I would like to go back for

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a second. You started in stand up and you know

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you've come to do so many many things TV, books, music, movies.

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What what was it when you were first starting out

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that you sent out to do well?

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I mean back in the day when I started off,

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you could like just sort of come with a notion

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that you wanted to be a performer and entertainer, and

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then you kind of fell into it. I mean, I

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guess unless you went to college and maybe studied, you know, acting,

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But I didn't do it that way. I came to

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LA when I was nineteen, and I learned how to

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become a manicurist. So I had a day job and

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I was working in Beverly Hills and I just kind

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of like was hanging out at the Rocky Horror Show

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on sunset, the live show at the Roxy, and I

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just fell in with a bunch of kids who are

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from the San Gabriel Valley, and I just cracked them up,

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you know, and they thought, Oh my god, you're so funny.

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You're so funny. And then I met this woman who

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I was doing her nails and she was singing at

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this venue called the what was called the Beverly Hills.

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It'll come to me in a minute, and I'm gonna

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take you there. And they would open Mic Night and

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I'm gonna introduce you to Paul Mooney and he's gonna

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love you and think you're the coolest person in the world.

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So I went down and opened Mike Night. I put

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together five minutes of my material and I got up

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and I was kind of like a strangely kind of

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a hit, you know, without even trying. And then I

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met Paul Mooney and my friend Lotus Weinstock, and they

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were like my mentors and took me under their wing,

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and that's how it all started. It was like, I

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didn't know I wanted to be a singer. I wanted

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to be an actress. I knew I was funny, but

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I didn't think about stand up comedy per se. But

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it was kind of like it ended up being the

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perfect kind of way into everything because it was back

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in the seventies and not many women were doing what

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I was doing, which was sort of like free wheeling crazy,

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you know, comedy that wasn't like, you know, Philistiller or

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Joan Rivers, like self deprecating. It was like, hey, I'm cool,

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I'm postmodern, I'm post feminists, and you know, of course

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I'm cool. Of course I'm sexy. Of course you know

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of course I'm beautiful. So that was something that people

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hadn't done before. And then I started singing, and all

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of a sudden, it all kind of came together, and

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that's how I jumped in and how it started. But

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today it could happen because everybody would do it on

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TikTok or they would do it on Instagram, and there

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were you know, this was just like me with a

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crazy notion going to a club. The little Club was

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the name of the club by the way on Cannon Drive,

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and the magic just happened.

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I love that that got it did because we have gotten,

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you know, so much work from you and one of

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the and you can correct me if I'm wrong, but

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one of the things that I think stands out for

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me looking at your career, you were on David Letterman

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a lot, and that didn't seem to be a normal thing,

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especially for a woman comedian. Is that right?

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Yeah, well, there were a few of us that There

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was Terry Garr, there was me, a couple other on

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and that would go on, and just and other guys

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too that were his friends. But the really great thing

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about that was I mean, yes, I always had something

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to tie into it, promoting, but I didn't go on

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to promote. I just ended up going on to like

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it was almost like performance art. I'd go on with like,

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you know, my own idea, my own set, and then

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they'd be the pre interview and I'd tell them things

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I was going to do. But most of the time

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it didn't end up being that at all. I would

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just go off on these tangents, which you can see.

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I was on the show thirty times Wow. So I

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always tried to have like a theme to my my

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appearance and developed this funny, kind of flirtatious relationship with Dave,

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which I did have a crush on him, but that

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that was that was unrequited love. That nothing ever get that.

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And back then, you know, people you tune in if

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you miss David Letterman, you miss David Letterman. There wasn't

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no there was no Tomorrow, there was no YouTube. There

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wasn't like there were no clips. You saw either you

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watched it in real time or you never got to

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see it, un let's say, because they didn't repeat you know,

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talk shows. So you know, especially at college kids we

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get together, you know, and watched together. It was a

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whole thing. So I developed this great audience from those

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appearances and again just from being so in the moment

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and improvisational. It's just that kind of stuff can't happen anymore.

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Yeah, And it just so happened that on YouTube today

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a video of you came up in my recommendations. You

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and Madonna on Letterman was incredibly funny. Was that was

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any of that? I want to say exactly?

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Yeah, well no, not really. I mean, the only thing

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that was planned was that I was going to bring

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her on the show because she'd never been on before,

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and we had been hanging out a lot, and we

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just de how we're going to address the thing, and

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and but what we kind of ended up doing. No,

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it was like there were little maybe there were moments

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of things we were going to talk about, but then

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it just like blew wide open. Of course, David was

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like out you know, outraged, and you know, this was insane,

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and these two crazy women and his whole thing with

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me dismissing me. It was just it all just happened again.

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They wouldn't let anything like that happen now.

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Yeah, And it was I mean I was laughing hysterically,

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and you said something about Sean Pain and then and

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then you made a comment to madonnaa you're you're even

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better or something.

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You know, it was like, you know, yeah, I stupt

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with with Sean, but you were even better. It was

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like again back then, you know, that was like nineteen

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eighty eight. That was like, oh my god, you know,

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I was like blew everything up because you know, the

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whole gay thing was like, you know, it still was

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a little bit like uncharted territory.

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Yeah, and you know you've been at the soap and

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Donna for that matter, have been at the forefront of

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you know, the lgbt QI plus community.

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You won't install me if you miss the letters.

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Thank you where you know, you've been at the forefront

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of this forever. And it's interesting because for me looking

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back at something a video like that from nineteen eighty

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eight and seeing just how shocked and you know, everybody was,

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and it's like, you know, not that something like that

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would happen out of high school today, but like it's

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it's so much more accepted today, where you and Madonna

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in that case, we're very much at the cutting edge

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of that sort of thing that brought acceptance, you know.

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Yeah, yeah, it's true. Well also it's like we're comfortable

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with who we are, so you know, for myself, I

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can always speak for myself. You know, sexuality and you know,

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love and relationships have always sort of you know, been

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very fluid, and you know I flowed in and out

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of them, so fluid and flowing anyway. So that wasn't

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like like a big deal for me. So when when

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everybody else seemed to respond a certain way, I was

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always like, I mean, really, I mean, thoughts having crossed

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your mind, Attractions, you know, you know, people aren't appealing.

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Everybody who's beautiful or sexy or interesting is appealing, right

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and subject for you know, a possible you know, relationship.

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So that was just sort of what I was presenting

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in a fun, you know, sort of from you know,

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uninhibited way.

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And so much of your career has not shied away

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from things like that. Was that intentional or is that

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just because it was so much a part of your

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world and your community that that's what reflected in your art.

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Well, I thought it's you know, it became something that

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was sort of a little bit of a fallback just

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because nobody else had really done it. And then I

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started getting sort of like comfortable and into because I

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saw the reactions I was getting from it. But also

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it's like it's like kind of like poking at culture,

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poking at society in a way that makes people kind

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of open up a little bit. And I've always done

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that in my work. I've always wanted people to like,

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you know, if you're sitting in a dark room and

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you've got the curtains down, you're kind of looking out.

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Once you just open the curtains and like let the

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sun in and like look at what's happening out on

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the street, you know what I mean, it's so much

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more fun than being fearful of it. So I like

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to think I infuse my work with the idea of

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throwing the curtains open and revealing all the light.

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Yeah, I love that. And you know, as we're talking,

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I'm thinking you did the same thing similarly similarly with Roseanne,

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you know, on the series. You know you've done that.

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So you've broken so many boundaries in your art that

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I don't know. I think it's a pretty powerful thing.

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I think I think it is. And and you know,

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I mean it's harder and harder to do just because

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there's so much shock value in the world. But I

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think the thing that transcends at is honesty and really

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looking at things. You know, it's easy just to be like,

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you know, loud or drunk or sexual or you know,

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you know, show your you know, your body in a

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way that's just sort of like for you know, attention

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but if you like cut through all of that and

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you get down to like the real like essence of

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who you are, that's what really pushes people's buttons and

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makes them either wake up or like become aware of

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I love that. And uh, you know another thing that

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I've loved about your career and love about your career

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is your marriage of different forms of art. So I'll

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give you an example. When I was a kid in

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the nineties, there was a video store right up the

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street for me that had DVDs and such, and I

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was there every day getting a new movie, and you know,

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it's my thing. And here I am on a pop

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culture show. But one of the DVDs that I eventually

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got was your stand up and it was very much

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a marriage of music and comedy and art. Is that

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you know? Can you speak to that a little bit?

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You did a whole thing with Stevie mix Songbird with

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Christy McVie and and had this whole thing about Stevie

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and this, you know, that whole thing. I mean, it's

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just me as a child, you know, as a kid

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watching this, I'm just like, this is so cool because

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this isn't the other stand up DVDs that I've watched.

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You know this like marries all kinds of things.

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I take songs that have a lot of impact and

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you know, sense memory, and I write monologues that are

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not about the song, but about something that sort of

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runs maybe parallel or maybe it's something that's completely out

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of a left field, but you know not unlike when

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you're driving or walking down the street and you're listening

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to a song, you might encounter something and in the

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future you'll think of that song in conjunction with that experience.

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So I do a lot of that of you know,

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synthesizing songs and feelings and memories and creating like either

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you know, kind of comedic dramatic pieces that have you know,

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have impact and you're like, oh wow, it's like, you know,

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it's like when you watch a movie and they use

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certain music, it's like it's evocative. And that's what I

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like my work to be. That's that's the one overwriting

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word is evocative.

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like I said, you know, I was going through that

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whole store, every DVD in that store, and so I

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had seen, you know, whatever order it was in, I guess,

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alphabetical in the stand up comedy section. None of the

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other ones that I had seen were like that at all.

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it's uncategoriable, so you kind of like have to put

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it where people would just assume it would be. Yeah,

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thank you, that's a high compliment. I appreciate that.

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Oh, thank you. So today, you know, you're still touring,

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you have new tour dates that are coming that are

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you know, throughout twenty twenty five on the Shapes and

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Forms tour. You are in a very big hot show

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right now. What is life like for for Sandra Bernhard today?

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Well, same as it always is. You know, it's like

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it's like it's day to day. You know, it's like

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you get up and you have your life. I have

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my dog, I have my girlfriend and my daughter. I

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mean she's out on her own. But you know, well

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it's it's it's you know, I do what I do.

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I go to the gym, I go shopping, I cook,

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I watch you know, women's college basketball. I'm in the

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middle of March madness, you know, and simultaneously, you know,

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you sort of soak in the whole idea that you know,

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you're you continue to be a part of, you know,

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important work, and people respect you so they want you

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to be in there in their work. Like Ben Stiller

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asked me to do Severance, and you know, I've been

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sitting on that for a year now because we shot

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it last year and I was like, you know, you know,

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you work, you shoot something and then you sort of

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put it in your back pocket and you don't think

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much about it, and then it comes out and you're like, wow.

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You know, it's like, you know, you just never know

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what's going to really have that sort of you know impact.

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And it's really nice at this point in my career,

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in my life that I still you know, make a

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difference in you know, a scene or a show. It's

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you know, it's it means a lot to me. It's

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not you know, I don't take it for granted.

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Did you you know, were you aware of the impact

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of I'm a huge Apple TV Plus fan and and

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I've worked with them a lot on their various series.

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You know, in regards to to my show and Severance,

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especially I loved the first season, but it seems like

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season two just blew up even further. Did you So

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you weren't expecting this kind of zeitgeist explosion.

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No, I don't. There's no way of knowing it. First

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of all, when when you shoot your scenes, you really

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don't know any idea what else is happening in the

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other scenes. You don't get a script, you only get

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your scenes. They keep it very compartmentalized and you know, separate,

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which I think is smart. You can only focus in

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on what you're doing and.

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And I think that I think that the you know,

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the election made a big difference. I think that people

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are feeling you know, sort of uncertain, unmoored, and I

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think touchdowns like great shows like like severanths kind of

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like mean more in these times than they write in

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other times. It also took a long time to do it.

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A lot of it had to be put on hold.

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It takes a long time to shoot the show, and

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people were desperate for the second season, and you know,

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I think and because of it, it just had a

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bigger and much bigger impact than anybody could have imagined.

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Yeah, it's awesome. I love I love it. I love

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you in it. Of course. Tell me about touring. I

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mean you've been doing this, you know, for a while,

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and here you are still today doing it. Is that

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like your home creatively for you?

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a part of a show where you get to like, well,

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I'm not walking on the set. That's not mine in

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telling people what I'm going to say. So you know,

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I have such a strong point of view. And when

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you can write your own work and continue to have

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that thread throughout your career and people come to expect it,

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it's something you just never want to stop doing.

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And is it that is part of it? That live

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you know, that instant reaction. It's obviously different when you're

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doing a film or a series that you know a

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year later you're getting you know, feedback on stage, it's

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like instant.

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Right exactly exactly, and you know you're making the physical

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effort to like go to places and you know, I

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have my band and my people I work with and

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it's our little insular world and it's fun and you

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know it's just it's you know, I've always been so

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attracted to rock and roll, into to music and getting

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to you know, have a lot of friends who are

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singers and performers, and so it's my little microcosm of

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that world and getting to reenact as much of it

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as I get to as I can and do. And

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I just love it. I love being on the road.

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I mean, we don't go endlessly. We just do a

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few dates and I come home. You know, I don't

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think I'd be the kind of person to go out

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on a three month tour unless I had a hit

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song and you know it was being supported in a

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way that you know made sense. But for what at

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the level I do it, I really just enjoy it.

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It's fun and you get to go back to cities

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you haven't been to in a long time. You see

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people and fans that have been coming for years, and

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it's just, you know, it's you can't you can't replicate it.

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It's not like anything else, like you said, it's just

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it's a one of a kind experience.

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I love that and for for you, you know what's

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next for you? Like I said at the top, you

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know you've books, you know, stage, screen, every kind of

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medium you can think of, what's what's next that you

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know you're looking forward to.

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Well, you know, like like everything else, I kind of said,

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I mean, besides my own work, I don't ever really

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know what's coming down the pike in terms of my acting.

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So you know, when they people come around, you know,

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like I'm gonna I'm in an episode of that show

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Percy Jackson coming up. I'm they just released those second

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season of Survival of the Thickest, my friend Michelle Buteau's

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show on Netflix. I'm in an episode of that. I

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shot a small scene in Marty Supreme, which is Timothy

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shallow May's film that's coming up at the end of

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the year that Josh Softy directed. So things just come

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to me, but I don't. I can't really just call

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it the shots. And that's okay except for my own work.

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And so I just sit and wait for my manager

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to call me and say, yeah, they want you for this,

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they want you for that. There might be periods where

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things are quiet, but it'll all, you know, it always

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sort of picks up again.

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I love that. I love you. I love your outlook

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on everything and your work. Please say thank you. Everybody

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can go and see you on tour. The dates are on.

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Your website Burnhard dot com and we'll have that on Instagram.

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Yes, everywhere. We'll have all the links so people can

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get you every where you are. And please come on

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back on the show whenever you want. Thank you, of course,

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thank you so much. Of course, Sandra Bernhard love her

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And it is like like I said, from when I

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was checking when I was a kid checking out you know,

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every DVD. Literally my goal was to watch every movie

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in top ten music and video in Ellesmere, Delaware when

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I was a kid. I picked that one up and

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I just loved it so much. It was just unlike

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anything else I had seen. All the other comedy specials

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i'd boughted were just the comedians just standing and talking,

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which you know, obviously some amazing stuff, but hers was

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just different. It just blended music and comedy and theater

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and it was just so cool and it remains cool,

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and she remains cool. So it was a huge thing

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for me to be able to interview her, and I

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welcome Sandra, you know, back to the show whenever she wants.

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We can talk whatever she wants, whenever she wants. And

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I know you guys feel the same all right, So

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we're gonna take a quick break to pay the bills,

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and when we come back, we are talking with Kevin

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Bacon and Jennifer Nettles. See you in sixty all right, beautiful,

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Thank you for supporting our sponsors and helping us pay

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the bills. Our sponsors allow you know, me to do

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this for you, and so thank you and thank them.

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Thanks to them, is what I'm trying to say. All right.

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So The Bondsman is this brand new show on Amazon

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Prime Video out right now, and I am in love

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with it. It is you know, I would say comedy

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action horror series. I guess you could say. It stars

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Kevin Bacon and Jennifer Nettles and Beth Grant, Joline Purdy

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and Kevin is hub hallerin who is this murdered bounty

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hunter and he comes back from the dead after being

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resurrected by the Devil. But there's a catch. He is

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resurrected by the Devil to trap and send demons that

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have escaped from the prisons of hell by chasing them

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down kind of like cal you know he did as

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a bounty hunter and kind of learn how his own

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sins got his soul Condemned to Hell. So it's an

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awesome show. I highly recommend you watch it on Amazon

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Prime Video. Horror fans, comedy fans, you know, action fans.

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It's got all of the things. So let's start our

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interviews for The Bondsman. I am so hyped to be

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joined by a multi talented artist who has conquered the

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music charts and she's won Grammys, an Emmy, and now she,

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you know, has been bringing her presence to the screen.

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She's in The Exorcist, Believer last year. She's been in

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some great stuff and I love her. She's got a

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voice that can soar in a stage presence that commands attention.

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She is a true force in the entertainment world. And

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now she's taking on this thrilling new role in The Bondsman,

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and everybody's going to be talking about this. I'm telling you,

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she is here to discuss The Bondsman, and she co

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stars in it with Kevin Bacon and she plays his

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ex wife, so you know, funny and interesting dynamics. So

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let's just jump right into it. My interview with the

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one and only Jennifer Nettles. Thank you so much for

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speaking with me. Jennifer I really appreciate it.

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Thank you, Kyle.

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How are you.

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I'm doing well, thank you. Congrats on the series. The

477
00:28:02.680 --> 00:28:05.640
Bondsman is so great. I'm a huge horror fan and

478
00:28:06.000 --> 00:28:09.480
I absolutely love it. And it's much funnier than I

479
00:28:09.480 --> 00:28:10.200
thought too.

480
00:28:10.880 --> 00:28:13.039
Right, it has a lot of comedy. It has a

481
00:28:13.039 --> 00:28:15.480
lot of heart. Like it's not just the horror and

482
00:28:15.519 --> 00:28:18.000
the gore. It's got the comedy. It's even got some

483
00:28:18.079 --> 00:28:20.680
camp in there too, you know, like it has a

484
00:28:20.680 --> 00:28:23.200
lot of levity. It's like highs and lows, dark and light.

485
00:28:23.960 --> 00:28:27.079
What drew you to play marhand?

486
00:28:29.079 --> 00:28:31.400
First of all, the script and the idea for the

487
00:28:31.480 --> 00:28:36.640
story and the world. I loved that it was. You know,

488
00:28:36.720 --> 00:28:41.680
I definitely love supernatural otherworldly. I'm not necessarily a horror

489
00:28:41.720 --> 00:28:44.240
fan per se, or at least in terms of like

490
00:28:44.359 --> 00:28:47.720
old school slashers, you know, whenever I was growing up,

491
00:28:47.720 --> 00:28:50.519
I was always like totally freaked out by those. But

492
00:28:50.880 --> 00:28:54.240
when we get into the supernatural, the otherworldly, the.

493
00:28:57.319 --> 00:28:58.759
Even you know, I could even.

494
00:28:58.599 --> 00:29:02.200
Go into sci fi sometimes, like depending so I can,

495
00:29:02.279 --> 00:29:06.680
I can I enjoy different genre, right, But the script

496
00:29:06.720 --> 00:29:09.839
for this itself really popped for me. And when I

497
00:29:09.920 --> 00:29:12.759
read when I read something I always say, like, as

498
00:29:12.759 --> 00:29:16.480
a musician, first I read with my ears, not my eyes.

499
00:29:17.240 --> 00:29:20.319
So how does this sound? Does it sound authentic?

500
00:29:20.440 --> 00:29:20.640
Is it?

501
00:29:20.720 --> 00:29:20.920
You know?

502
00:29:20.960 --> 00:29:23.920
How does it sound? Can I hear someone saying this?

503
00:29:24.039 --> 00:29:26.720
And it was so real and so authentic to me

504
00:29:26.799 --> 00:29:30.160
when I read it, even though the subject matter is

505
00:29:30.319 --> 00:29:35.039
absolutely out there right, but the characters felt so real.

506
00:29:35.200 --> 00:29:38.400
The characters felt so real to me that I was like, Okay,

507
00:29:38.440 --> 00:29:42.400
And then and first and foremost Kevin Bacon, of course,

508
00:29:42.759 --> 00:29:46.240
you know, I mean like to be able to star

509
00:29:46.400 --> 00:29:49.640
opposite him, to be able to work with him, having

510
00:29:49.680 --> 00:29:51.559
been a fan and grown up a fan. You know,

511
00:29:51.640 --> 00:29:55.119
he's an icon in Hollywood. So to me, it's I51200:29:55.200 --> 00:29:57.839



joke and say, like the stuff of the show is51300:29:58.079 --> 00:30:01.319



of nightmares, but working with Kevin Bacon is the stuff51400:30:01.319 --> 00:30:01.839



of dreams.51500:30:02.039 --> 00:30:05.559



I love that I was talking to him and we were,51600:30:05.599 --> 00:30:11.640



you know, discussing how musical the the series is, and51700:30:11.680 --> 00:30:14.640



he was saying early on that there was talk about51800:30:15.920 --> 00:30:21.480



you know, the act, the characters, you know, being more51900:30:21.519 --> 00:30:26.079



even more musically oriented than than what ended up being.52000:30:26.079 --> 00:30:28.240



But the two of you ended up you know, I52100:30:28.240 --> 00:30:30.119



think it's so awesome that the two of you ended52200:30:30.200 --> 00:30:36.000



up kind of infusing your own artistry as as musical52300:30:36.079 --> 00:30:40.599



artists as well into the series. How was that for you?52400:30:41.519 --> 00:30:44.279



That was amazing And to me that was definitely also52500:30:44.519 --> 00:30:48.960



a big draw to the project because you know, to52600:30:49.039 --> 00:30:53.079



be able to write for a show as the character52700:30:53.359 --> 00:30:56.160



in character, that's such a you. I don't really know52800:30:56.240 --> 00:30:59.240



any show out there right now that is doing this52900:30:59.400 --> 00:31:01.119



in the way that doing it, so I think it53000:31:01.160 --> 00:31:03.559



makes it really unique. But for me, as an artist,53100:31:03.599 --> 00:31:06.000



you know, and loving music and coming to things many53200:31:06.039 --> 00:31:09.839



times through music first, to be able to write for53300:31:09.960 --> 00:31:12.519



Mary Anne as Mary Anne and be a part of53400:31:12.519 --> 00:31:15.599



this world and the show really can get you that53500:31:15.759 --> 00:31:20.319



much more deep into the character and into the world53600:31:20.359 --> 00:31:22.559



and into the story. You know, to do that through53700:31:22.559 --> 00:31:25.960



the music, and then even you know, getting to collaborate53800:31:26.000 --> 00:31:30.519



with Kevin on a musical level as well was exciting53900:31:30.599 --> 00:31:33.119



because of course we all know him as a Hollywood icon,54000:31:33.160 --> 00:31:35.000



but we also know that he's had a band for54100:31:35.079 --> 00:31:37.920



many many years and he tours and they record, you know,54200:31:38.000 --> 00:31:42.079



he and his brothers. So I was familiar enough with that,54300:31:42.200 --> 00:31:45.279



but you never know until you get in a room54400:31:45.319 --> 00:31:47.799



with someone to collaborate how that's going to be. And54500:31:47.880 --> 00:31:51.880



I was thrilled, you know, to find out that we54600:31:52.000 --> 00:31:56.799



had a really natural ease in our collaboration. And he's54700:31:56.839 --> 00:32:02.920



such a fantastic writer and amazing lyricist and a wonderful54800:32:03.079 --> 00:32:06.559



musician you know, across the board. So we had a54900:32:06.559 --> 00:32:08.279



lot of fun on this project.55000:32:08.920 --> 00:32:11.200



And it comes comes through as a viewer, you know.55100:32:11.319 --> 00:32:14.480



And and uh, when I as I was reading the55200:32:14.480 --> 00:32:17.319



production notes before I started the series and I heard55300:32:17.319 --> 00:32:19.079



this the first thing. First of all, I thought it55400:32:19.160 --> 00:32:21.480



was is behaving.55500:32:22.720 --> 00:32:25.680



I know, listen, dude, like, do you know I have55600:32:25.880 --> 00:32:28.839



laughed so much because obviously the fourth season of Gymstones55700:32:28.920 --> 00:32:32.160



is out now, you know, and Amy Lee going from55800:32:32.240 --> 00:32:37.720



like televangelist to demon hunter, right and all of it,55900:32:37.799 --> 00:32:41.119



you know, with music involved. I just I feel like, yeah,56000:32:41.200 --> 00:32:44.200



total total, a wide wide range.56100:32:44.200 --> 00:32:45.000



I got range.56200:32:45.559 --> 00:32:46.680



I got range.56300:32:46.599 --> 00:32:49.200



From from heaven to hell and back again.56400:32:49.920 --> 00:32:50.440



That's right.56500:32:51.200 --> 00:32:54.880



You brought up a really interesting point that it is56600:32:55.000 --> 00:32:58.279



super interesting to me, and I'm sure for you as56700:32:58.279 --> 00:33:01.720



an artist that this is an opportunity that you know,56800:33:01.799 --> 00:33:05.559



most artists, actors when they're coming into a script don't56900:33:05.599 --> 00:33:09.400



get to be you know, obviously, you many actors, you know,57000:33:09.559 --> 00:33:12.519



kind of dive into the personality of their role and all.57100:33:12.559 --> 00:33:18.759



But you are literally writing, you know, from this character57200:33:19.000 --> 00:33:24.279



and and her and their experiences. And that's that's a57300:33:24.400 --> 00:33:28.279



really cool angle that you know has got to be rare.57400:33:28.359 --> 00:33:30.680



I would assume absolutely rare.57500:33:30.759 --> 00:33:32.279



It is absolutely rare. I mean, like I said, I57600:33:32.319 --> 00:33:34.640



don't know any other show that's doing it. And and57700:33:34.720 --> 00:33:40.000



for me, you know, obviously as a writer and a musician,57800:33:40.119 --> 00:33:44.319



even in my own original work, you know, all of57900:33:44.359 --> 00:33:49.039



that is storytelling. Not all of that is autobiographical confessional, right,58000:33:49.160 --> 00:33:52.480



I mean sure, everyone, every artist puts his or her58100:33:52.480 --> 00:33:55.960



emotional landscape into every song that he or she writes,58200:33:56.119 --> 00:33:58.440



and yet not all of it is a confessional.58300:33:58.480 --> 00:33:58.640



You know.58400:33:58.720 --> 00:34:00.960



Some of us do more that that than others. But58500:34:01.039 --> 00:34:04.440



some of the songs are absolutely there for the story58600:34:04.480 --> 00:34:09.320



of it, you know. So that wasn't anything new luckily58700:34:09.559 --> 00:34:12.000



for me, you know, creating a character or creating a58800:34:12.039 --> 00:34:14.800



story in that way, what was new. It's almost like58900:34:14.840 --> 00:34:17.519



I came at it from the flip side. Then with59000:34:17.719 --> 00:34:21.760



this with this project, because I got to obviously read59100:34:21.760 --> 00:34:24.719



the script, understand the characters have all of this story59200:34:24.760 --> 00:34:27.840



already there, and then go even deeper with the music59300:34:27.880 --> 00:34:30.119



and I do think it makes it super unique. I59400:34:30.119 --> 00:34:33.079



think it adds to the world right that we've created.59500:34:33.400 --> 00:34:37.079



It adds to the show because you get a whole59600:34:37.119 --> 00:34:40.639



other level right of these people and of what they're59700:34:40.679 --> 00:34:43.760



going through, and of their relationship and of their backstory.59800:34:43.800 --> 00:34:45.440



All of that is in the music.59900:34:45.800 --> 00:34:47.679



And we're going to be able to get it in60000:34:47.719 --> 00:34:49.599



an EP. The bondsman helm.60100:34:49.360 --> 00:34:52.159



Bet are you there at iHeartRadio? Are going to be60200:34:52.159 --> 00:34:54.800



able to play it right there in the EP that's60300:34:54.880 --> 00:34:57.119



coming out the day after. I don't know when this60400:34:57.159 --> 00:34:58.599



is when we're going to be doing this here that60500:34:58.639 --> 00:35:01.679



you know we're actually right now, but it's going to60600:35:01.719 --> 00:35:03.960



be coming out the day after the show comes out.60700:35:04.320 --> 00:35:06.559



I can't wait for that, are we can? We hope60800:35:06.599 --> 00:35:09.679



for any you know, maybe live appearances in the future60900:35:09.719 --> 00:35:12.039



where you're both doing somehow. I would love that, you know.61000:35:12.119 --> 00:35:15.119



We did actually when sugar Land was out on tour61100:35:16.440 --> 00:35:20.760



just before the holidays, we had Kevin come out and61200:35:20.800 --> 00:35:23.480



we performed one of the songs that's on the EP,61300:35:23.920 --> 00:35:25.960



So you'll be able to see some snippets of that61400:35:26.119 --> 00:35:28.880



video that we captured when we were in Austin. He61500:35:28.960 --> 00:35:30.760



came out and joined us on the road, and of61600:35:30.760 --> 00:35:34.280



course the crowd went bananas, you know, because I set61700:35:34.320 --> 00:35:36.039



it up. It's like I've been working on this project61800:35:36.079 --> 00:35:38.039



and now you're going to get to say your one61900:35:38.079 --> 00:35:40.519



degree away from Kevin Bacon, you know.62000:35:40.760 --> 00:35:42.320



So of course everybody loved that.62100:35:42.480 --> 00:35:44.960



But yeah, it was it was a super fun performance.62200:35:45.519 --> 00:35:47.840



I can't wait for everybody to see this. I got62300:35:47.880 --> 00:35:50.239



to ask you finally, are you are you, I mean62400:35:50.840 --> 00:35:54.360



the Exorcist Believer now the Bondsman. Are you a scream queen?62500:35:55.280 --> 00:35:55.480



Ah?62600:35:55.719 --> 00:36:01.159



I I guess I I think you are. Oh my god,62700:36:01.239 --> 00:36:03.039



we just established it right here.62800:36:03.360 --> 00:36:04.400



Yeah, I think I am.62900:36:04.559 --> 00:36:05.480



I'm a screampoint.63000:36:05.840 --> 00:36:07.599



I love it. I am, I love it.63100:36:08.079 --> 00:36:08.400



I am.63200:36:08.480 --> 00:36:09.320



I am claiming that.63300:36:09.440 --> 00:36:11.159



You know what, I'm using this for the rest of63400:36:11.239 --> 00:36:11.519



the day.63500:36:11.559 --> 00:36:13.159



I'm using it. I'm a scream point.63600:36:13.280 --> 00:36:16.000



I am right here.63700:36:16.119 --> 00:36:17.880



You coined it right here.63800:36:20.079 --> 00:36:22.400



I love it. Thank you Jennifer so much. I can't63900:36:22.400 --> 00:36:25.679



wait for everybody to see The Bondsman and check out64000:36:25.679 --> 00:36:29.360



the ep The Bondsman Helen back and uh and we'll64100:36:29.400 --> 00:36:31.239



be seeing you again. Thank you. You're a joy to64200:36:31.280 --> 00:36:31.880



talk to and.64300:36:32.000 --> 00:36:34.559



I likewise, yes, yes, thank you, thank you so much.64400:36:34.559 --> 00:36:35.239



I have a great day.64500:36:35.400 --> 00:36:37.280



Thank you you too, Thank you Bye bye.64600:36:37.719 --> 00:36:48.519



Soun Jennifer Nettle Love Love Love Scream Queen Jennifer Nettles.64700:36:48.559 --> 00:36:51.880



She is so awesome, such a great person. And her voice,64800:36:52.280 --> 00:36:57.320



oh my goodness, gracious, if you haven't for some reason64900:36:58.239 --> 00:37:00.280



listen to sugar Land and you've lived on nder a65000:37:00.360 --> 00:37:04.320



rock for the last fifteen years. She her voice is65100:37:04.639 --> 00:37:09.119



just oh so powerful. Yeah. She you know, she's also65200:37:10.039 --> 00:37:12.800



featured in The Righteous Gemstones, which I absolutely love that65300:37:12.880 --> 00:37:15.840



movie or that series as well, and she is hysterical65400:37:15.880 --> 00:37:18.760



in that. She's just so great and I hope that65500:37:18.800 --> 00:37:21.639



she comes back on the show for her next project65600:37:21.719 --> 00:37:26.360



because she's just awesome. All right. Next up, we have65700:37:27.239 --> 00:37:31.400



the one and only Kevin Bacon. He is a cinematic65800:37:31.639 --> 00:37:36.960



icon and his career spans decades of unforgettable performances, from65900:37:36.960 --> 00:37:40.320



like his early breakout roles to becoming a household name.66000:37:40.679 --> 00:37:45.440



He has consistently captivated audiences with his versatility and that66100:37:45.800 --> 00:37:49.400



Kevin Bacon charisma. And now he's diving back into the66200:37:49.440 --> 00:37:53.920



supernatural with the Bondsman. So, as I mentioned, you know66300:37:54.000 --> 00:37:57.599



earlier in the segment, Kevin plays Hupala and it is66400:37:57.639 --> 00:38:00.239



this kind of backwoods bounty hunter who gets it's a66500:38:00.239 --> 00:38:03.039



second chance at life and I'll say life in quotes66600:38:03.480 --> 00:38:08.079



with a demonic twist. So let's jump right into my66700:38:08.239 --> 00:38:16.199



interview with you want to only Kevin Bacon. So, first66800:38:16.239 --> 00:38:19.360



of all, congratulations on the series. I love it. I'm66900:38:19.400 --> 00:38:22.119



a huge horror fan, and I love how it kind67000:38:22.159 --> 00:38:25.920



of toes the line through multiple genres. Is that something67100:38:25.960 --> 00:38:28.239



that I mean, You're Kevin Bacon, you can do any67200:38:28.239 --> 00:38:31.360



project you want. Is that something that drew you to67300:38:31.519 --> 00:38:32.119



the project?67400:38:33.079 --> 00:38:35.880



Well, I mean, as you know, I've always loved horror.67500:38:35.920 --> 00:38:39.239



I've circled back to it from Friday Thirteenth to Tremors67600:38:39.320 --> 00:38:41.599



to Stir of Echo the Holiday.67700:38:41.679 --> 00:38:42.119



I mean, I.67800:38:44.320 --> 00:38:47.280



It's something that I'd like working in because I like67900:38:47.599 --> 00:38:49.800



how high the stakes are. You know, it's always a68000:38:49.840 --> 00:38:53.360



life or death situation. It's also just a genre that68100:38:54.039 --> 00:38:58.280



I've just enjoyed as a as a consumer. I mean,68200:38:58.519 --> 00:39:02.159



I I remember one of the first movies I saw68300:39:02.360 --> 00:39:06.119



was Vincent Price's House of Wax in three D. It68400:39:06.199 --> 00:39:09.559



was like a movie that I don't remember being a68500:39:09.559 --> 00:39:11.519



great movie, but it was, but it was a lot68600:39:11.519 --> 00:39:14.679



of fun. You put the stupid goggles on and smoke68700:39:14.719 --> 00:39:16.920



comes in the room and you and the and the68800:39:17.000 --> 00:39:20.599



girl that you're you know, sitting next to try to68900:39:20.599 --> 00:39:24.199



pretend the smoke's there. And then I, you know, I69000:39:24.320 --> 00:39:26.280



went on and you know, fell in love with like69100:39:26.559 --> 00:39:28.760



Rosemary's Baby and Don't Look.69200:39:28.679 --> 00:39:29.199



Now, and.69300:39:31.599 --> 00:39:35.840



You know the Shining and the Exorcist. You know, all69400:39:35.880 --> 00:39:41.719



those were all like beautiful, crazy, psychological, scary films that69500:39:41.800 --> 00:39:47.000



were made by auteur filmmakers. So yeah, I'm drawn to it.69600:39:47.119 --> 00:39:48.639



The thing about the Bondsman.69700:39:48.320 --> 00:39:49.519



Is is it it.69800:39:51.119 --> 00:39:53.920



Is threads a needle and I think a really cool69900:39:54.000 --> 00:39:57.199



way between horror and comedy, which are not I don't70000:39:57.239 --> 00:39:58.079



always work.70100:39:58.119 --> 00:39:59.039



It does work.70200:39:58.880 --> 00:40:03.960



Sometimes, you know. You can see examples of that sometimes70300:40:04.000 --> 00:40:07.960



in you know, things like whatever Sean of the Dead,70400:40:08.039 --> 00:40:12.800



and you know, you know some there's some there's some70500:40:12.920 --> 00:40:16.119



humor and barbarians and you know, and certainly and get Out.70600:40:16.159 --> 00:40:17.840



You know, there are some funny moments and get Out.70700:40:17.840 --> 00:40:20.679



But it's it sometimes doesn't doesn't work at all. So70800:40:20.719 --> 00:40:23.440



that that was really the That was the fine line70900:40:23.440 --> 00:40:26.320



that I think we had to walk with this show.71000:40:26.599 --> 00:40:29.679



And you did it beautifully. I also have to ask71100:40:29.719 --> 00:40:33.360



you you have an EP coming out supporting the film71200:40:33.400 --> 00:40:36.960



with Jennifer Nettles, which is set like another outlet for you,71300:40:36.960 --> 00:40:41.360



you know, as a creative where you can kind of yeah,71400:40:41.400 --> 00:40:42.239



you know, I mean, I'm I'm.71500:40:42.400 --> 00:40:44.119



I've been a musician for a really long time in71600:40:44.199 --> 00:40:46.800



writing songs from I started writing songs before I even71700:40:46.800 --> 00:40:50.760



started acting, so I've always kind of kept them separately.71800:40:50.840 --> 00:40:54.079



But for this character was already a songwriter. He was71900:40:54.079 --> 00:40:57.199



supposed to be a musician who had had a band72000:40:57.239 --> 00:40:59.719



with his wife that didn't break up. The band broke72100:40:59.800 --> 00:41:02.800



up and him and his wife broke up, and she's72200:41:02.800 --> 00:41:07.320



still singing, and so someone suggested that, you know, maybe72300:41:07.320 --> 00:41:10.000



I could write some songs for the show. And when72400:41:10.239 --> 00:41:14.199



Jennifer got cast, because she was the best actress, it72500:41:14.280 --> 00:41:16.880



also happened to be that she's also a great singer72600:41:16.960 --> 00:41:20.239



and a great songwriter. So the first thing, before we72700:41:20.280 --> 00:41:23.280



even started shooting, we got together and just started writing72800:41:23.320 --> 00:41:26.679



some tunes. And some of them made him in the show,72900:41:27.079 --> 00:41:29.000



and some of them didn't make it in the show,73000:41:29.760 --> 00:41:33.280



but we liked the songs and decided to just record73100:41:33.320 --> 00:41:35.000



them all and put them out.73200:41:35.880 --> 00:41:37.440



I can't wait for that, and I can't wait for73300:41:37.480 --> 00:41:40.000



everybody to see The Bondsman. It's such as a horror fan,73400:41:40.239 --> 00:41:43.880



it's such a great series. Thank you, mister Kevin Bacon.73500:41:43.920 --> 00:41:52.360



You're amazing as always appreciate you, Kevin freaking Bacon. I73600:41:52.440 --> 00:41:55.599



just interviewed Kevin Bacon, and I just interviewed Jennifer Nettles,73700:41:55.599 --> 00:41:59.639



and I just interviewed Sandra Bernhardt. What a freaking show.73800:42:00.400 --> 00:42:02.559



What an episode of pop Culture Weekly. I am like73900:42:03.039 --> 00:42:07.880



hi right now, not literally, I mean, you know, but74000:42:08.480 --> 00:42:10.559



I'm just high on. I get to do what I74100:42:10.599 --> 00:42:13.519



love to do. I get to, you know, interact with74200:42:13.639 --> 00:42:16.639



you and you hit me up on socials and we74300:42:16.760 --> 00:42:19.639



discuss movies and pop culture and TV and music and74400:42:19.679 --> 00:42:22.000



all of the things. And I love what I do.74500:42:22.079 --> 00:42:25.360



I genuinely, absolutely love it, and I thank you for74600:42:25.480 --> 00:42:29.280



allowing me to do this because you listening, you sharing74700:42:29.760 --> 00:42:32.280



the show, you know, on social media with your friends74800:42:32.360 --> 00:42:35.920



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