Diane Lane & Michael Gandolfini (Extrapolations); Keifer Sutherland & the cast of Rabbit Hole

1 00:00:00,540 --> 00:00:02,440 In this week's episode of Pop Culture Weekly, 2 00:00:02,440 --> 00:00:05,920 I talk to the one and only Diane, Lane, and Michael Gandalfini 3 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:08,520 about their Apple TV+ series, Extra Preleations. 4 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:10,720 Then I talk with Keither, Sutherlin, 5 00:00:10,720 --> 00:00:13,840 and the cast of "Rabbet Hall," let's go! 6 00:00:13,840 --> 00:00:18,040 Welcome to Pop Culture Weekly with Kyle McMahon 7 00:00:18,040 --> 00:00:19,460 from I Heart Radio. 8 00:00:19,460 --> 00:00:22,680 Your pop culture news, views, reviews, 9 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:25,820 and celebrity interviews on all the movies, TV, 10 00:00:25,820 --> 00:00:28,840 music, and pop culture you crave weekly. 11 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:30,920 Here's Kyle McMahon. 12 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:33,680 (upbeat music) 13 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:34,600 ♪ Nanna, nanna ♪ 14 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:36,760 ♪ Hello and welcome to Pop Culture Weekly ♪ 15 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:40,720 with Kyle McMahon, I of course am Kyle McMahon, 16 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:45,320 and there is no special rotating guest, 17 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:48,320 or wait, there is no special guest host 18 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:50,600 in the rotating panel of guest hosts this week, 19 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:53,280 as it is an all interview episode 20 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:56,440 because we have got fire today. 21 00:00:56,440 --> 00:01:01,440 Starting with Diane Lane and Michael Gandalfini, 22 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:03,920 and we're gonna talk about Extra Preleations, 23 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:06,680 which we had David Diggs on last week 24 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:09,120 to talk about this series on Apple TV+, 25 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:13,320 which is so incredibly amazing and so incredibly powerful, 26 00:01:13,320 --> 00:01:15,440 and you've got to watch it. 27 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:17,600 And talk to me on social about it. 28 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:20,320 Let me know what you think of Extra Preleations. 29 00:01:20,320 --> 00:01:24,240 It is really just one of those pieces that makes you think, 30 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:27,720 and it's what great art really does, I think. 31 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:32,160 So I talk with Diane Lane and Michael Gandalfini 32 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:35,680 about their roles in Extra Preleations, 33 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:40,680 then I talk with Kiefer Sutherland and the cast 34 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:46,520 of Rabbit Hole, which is exclusively available 35 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:48,240 on Paramount Plus. 36 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:50,480 Rabbit Hole is so good. 37 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:52,880 I'm a huge 24 fan, I watched that growing up. 38 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:54,400 I was obsessed with it. 39 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:58,840 It really, I think, redefined what television could do. 40 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:02,040 Again, after the X-Files did it before. 41 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:06,000 And it really, in my opinion, popularized, 42 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:07,560 or I guess repopularized, 43 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:12,560 cereals on television, where the one episode ends, 44 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:15,760 and then when the next one begins, 45 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:19,000 it takes place right where the last episode ended off. 46 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:24,000 So I love 24, I love Kiefer Sutherland. 47 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:26,960 And I love the show Rabbit Hole. 48 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:30,920 It is an edge of your seat thriller. 49 00:02:30,920 --> 00:02:32,640 And I don't even know how to describe it. 50 00:02:32,640 --> 00:02:36,920 I guess you could say, so Kiefer plays John Weir, 51 00:02:36,920 --> 00:02:41,040 who is this kind of in this world of corporate espionage, 52 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:46,040 where he like, you know, goes undercover and uncovers it. 53 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:50,560 And then he is framed for a murder, which it gets, 54 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:54,640 that's really all I can say, but it is so, so, so good. 55 00:02:54,640 --> 00:02:57,640 So I talk with the cast of Rabbit Hole, 56 00:02:57,640 --> 00:03:02,640 including Kiefer himself, Glenn Fakara and John Rekwa, 57 00:03:02,640 --> 00:03:06,800 Metagolding and Charles Dance, Walt Clink, Enid Graham 58 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:09,760 and Rob Yang, literally the entire cast. 59 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:12,600 It is such a good show. 60 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:16,920 We're gonna start off with Michael Gandalfini and Diane Lane. 61 00:03:16,920 --> 00:03:20,240 And if for some reason you live under a rock, 62 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:25,240 Diane Lane, besides being Mac Hent in DC's Superman series, 63 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:29,960 the DC extended universe, Martha Kent. 64 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:32,520 I feel like she was kind of young to play Martha Kent, 65 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:36,680 but she did it so well, so it's like, you know, love her. 66 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:38,320 And I love her anyway. 67 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:41,520 She is an incredible actor. 68 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:46,160 She debuted in a little romantic comedy film in 1979, 69 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:48,080 called A Little Romance. 70 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:53,080 And then of course, just became a huge, you know, power player. 71 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:56,760 She was in the outsiders from Francis Ford Coppola. 72 00:03:56,760 --> 00:04:01,360 Actually, she's been in three or four Francis Ford Coppola films, 73 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:04,520 Rumblefish, Streets of Fire, The Cotton Club. 74 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:09,520 I absolutely love her in murder at 1600, 75 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:13,640 which is a great kind of action, political thriller. 76 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:16,560 Of course, she was in the perfect storm. 77 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:21,560 I mean, like one of my favorite movies, it's just so, 78 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:23,640 oh my God, that movie is just so good. 79 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:26,040 And I just have such great memories of it. 80 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:27,440 And still love it today. 81 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:30,080 And she played Chris Cotter and that. 82 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:31,920 Then she was in Unfaithful, which, I mean, 83 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:33,440 she was in a whole bunch of other stuff, 84 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:38,120 but like the next huge one was unfaithful with Richard Geer, 85 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:42,880 which was really, really good, twisty, turny, thriller. 86 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:43,960 I love thrillers. 87 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:47,080 And then of course, man of steel. 88 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:49,720 She, oh, she was in Pixar's Inside Out. 89 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:52,720 Batman vs Superman, Dawn of Justice, Justice League, 90 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:55,000 Zack Snyder's Justice League. 91 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:59,680 And that's just a few things on the film side. 92 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:02,400 You know, she's been on television as well, 93 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:07,400 loan some dub back in the late 80s and House of Cards, 94 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:11,720 which of course was, you know, a huge series. 95 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:15,240 And now extra relations. 96 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:17,080 She's also, by the way, just FYI, 97 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:20,000 she has a new series coming up soon. 98 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:24,560 It's a mini series, I believe, with David Akelli 99 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:28,720 and directed by Regina King called A Man in Full. 100 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:31,120 And Jeff Daniel Starr is in that with her as well. 101 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:32,800 So I'm looking forward to that one. 102 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:34,880 So that for you people living under a rock, 103 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:39,880 it's just a little tiny glimpse at the one and only Diane Lane. 104 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:44,720 And along with Diane Lane, I speak with Michael Gandalfini, 105 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:49,680 who of course, of course is the son of the late great James 106 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:50,720 Gandalfini. 107 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:54,080 Michael made his film debut in Ocean's Eight. 108 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:56,240 And he starred in the many Saints of Newark, 109 00:05:56,240 --> 00:06:01,200 which was kind of a prequel to the sopranos 110 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:05,360 that takes place in Newark, New Jersey during the 60s and 70s. 111 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:08,400 So I talk to both of them. 112 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:12,760 And we're gonna jump right into my interview 113 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:17,000 with Michael Gandalfini and Diane Lane. 114 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:19,580 (upbeat music) 115 00:06:19,580 --> 00:06:22,160 (upbeat music) 116 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:33,780 - Thank you so much Diane and Michael for speaking with me. 117 00:06:33,780 --> 00:06:35,660 I really appreciate it. 118 00:06:35,660 --> 00:06:36,900 Totally, of course. 119 00:06:36,900 --> 00:06:38,060 Thanks for joining in. 120 00:06:38,060 --> 00:06:38,900 - Nice to meet you. 121 00:06:38,900 --> 00:06:40,900 - Join in, yeah. - Join you. 122 00:06:40,900 --> 00:06:41,860 - Thank you. 123 00:06:41,860 --> 00:06:46,100 So this series is incredibly powerful. 124 00:06:46,100 --> 00:06:49,420 It's also very scary in many ways. 125 00:06:49,420 --> 00:06:51,980 And at the heart of it, for me at least, 126 00:06:51,980 --> 00:06:55,860 is the human element of it all? 127 00:06:55,860 --> 00:06:58,260 Was that what attracted you both 128 00:06:58,260 --> 00:07:00,940 to your characters in the series? 129 00:07:00,940 --> 00:07:07,780 - Yeah, I definitely think that when I got the script, 130 00:07:07,780 --> 00:07:13,980 it's such an inspiring sort of, you know, 131 00:07:13,980 --> 00:07:17,220 series about things that I'm really passionate about. 132 00:07:17,220 --> 00:07:21,540 And I think a lot of people are in sort of this, you know, 133 00:07:21,540 --> 00:07:24,260 within the last, I don't know, 20, 30 years 134 00:07:24,260 --> 00:07:27,300 become a real civic duty to be aware of these things. 135 00:07:27,300 --> 00:07:32,220 But what drew me in was the relationship 136 00:07:32,220 --> 00:07:34,700 that Rowan has with his father, you know, 137 00:07:34,700 --> 00:07:37,020 and sort of the estranged relationship 138 00:07:37,020 --> 00:07:40,340 because as he's doing something that he really believes in, 139 00:07:40,340 --> 00:07:44,220 he knows that it's gonna cause his relationship 140 00:07:44,220 --> 00:07:46,340 with his father to be more strained, you know, 141 00:07:46,340 --> 00:07:49,900 and I think that there comes to a point 142 00:07:49,900 --> 00:07:54,060 when you begin to grow up where some of your views 143 00:07:54,060 --> 00:07:56,660 and some of your sort of opinions on things 144 00:07:56,660 --> 00:07:58,260 differ from your parents. 145 00:07:58,260 --> 00:08:01,540 And it's a really scary part of growing up. 146 00:08:01,540 --> 00:08:04,780 And I like really related and really thought that 147 00:08:04,780 --> 00:08:09,780 it was a beautiful, you know, relationship to have 148 00:08:09,780 --> 00:08:15,420 within this giant sort of world about, you know, 149 00:08:16,140 --> 00:08:19,060 global warming and sort of our earth. 150 00:08:19,060 --> 00:08:21,060 So it definitely drew me in, yeah. 151 00:08:21,060 --> 00:08:24,340 - And how about for you, Diane, with Martha? 152 00:08:24,340 --> 00:08:30,620 - Well, I like the fact that my character has a sort of moral 153 00:08:30,620 --> 00:08:35,140 dilemma and she wants to be in service 154 00:08:35,140 --> 00:08:40,140 to what she believes is the greater good, 155 00:08:40,140 --> 00:08:45,380 but things are revealed as she goes along. 156 00:08:45,380 --> 00:08:49,460 So we sort of see her earlier in the story 157 00:08:49,460 --> 00:08:52,260 and then I guess maybe several years later 158 00:08:52,260 --> 00:08:53,380 within the same story. 159 00:08:53,380 --> 00:08:57,300 We see her trajectory of her line of work 160 00:08:57,300 --> 00:08:58,140 and her involvement. 161 00:08:58,140 --> 00:09:01,020 We get to understand more about technology 162 00:09:01,020 --> 00:09:06,020 and the corporations that are in control of so many 163 00:09:06,020 --> 00:09:11,540 access points to what we've become dependent upon. 164 00:09:11,540 --> 00:09:14,860 And I think that that is an interesting parallel 165 00:09:14,860 --> 00:09:19,860 that Scott Burns is very gifted at paralleling 166 00:09:19,860 --> 00:09:23,340 our current experience and extrapolating 167 00:09:23,340 --> 00:09:26,060 on where we're headed based on trajectories 168 00:09:26,060 --> 00:09:29,220 that have already been seen in our rear view mirror. 169 00:09:29,220 --> 00:09:31,820 We can sort of tell the world we're on, right? 170 00:09:31,820 --> 00:09:32,820 Interesting. 171 00:09:32,820 --> 00:09:36,740 Yeah, so I was interested in her journey 172 00:09:36,740 --> 00:09:38,580 and the journey that she's on, yeah. 173 00:09:38,580 --> 00:09:40,900 - I love that. 174 00:09:40,900 --> 00:09:45,900 And for you as actors, obviously you're also fans 175 00:09:45,900 --> 00:09:52,260 of great work, was it exciting for you 176 00:09:52,260 --> 00:09:56,140 to see the story lines of the other characters? 177 00:09:56,140 --> 00:09:59,740 'Cause it's such a big cast to see their progression 178 00:09:59,740 --> 00:10:01,940 through the scripts. 179 00:10:01,940 --> 00:10:06,700 - Yeah, I mean, I hadn't read any of the other ones. 180 00:10:06,700 --> 00:10:11,700 So to begin to watch it as just a viewer, 181 00:10:11,700 --> 00:10:17,740 I got to fall in love and hate characters 182 00:10:17,740 --> 00:10:20,340 and be excited and not know where we were going 183 00:10:20,340 --> 00:10:23,100 and be surprised and laugh and laugh. 184 00:10:23,100 --> 00:10:24,700 - Yeah, for sure. 185 00:10:24,700 --> 00:10:29,020 And it's a great, great show. 186 00:10:29,020 --> 00:10:31,140 And I got to watch it as a viewer 187 00:10:31,140 --> 00:10:32,660 'cause I didn't know where it was going. 188 00:10:32,660 --> 00:10:34,740 So it was such a pleasure. 189 00:10:34,740 --> 00:10:37,260 I liked how it left, it leaves you with hope 190 00:10:37,260 --> 00:10:38,580 at the end of each episode. 191 00:10:38,580 --> 00:10:41,260 You get this little surprise gift 192 00:10:41,260 --> 00:10:44,420 like the bottom of the cracker check box. 193 00:10:44,420 --> 00:10:46,420 - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 194 00:10:46,420 --> 00:10:49,140 - So this would just leave you thinking, 195 00:10:49,140 --> 00:10:50,140 oh, thank God. 196 00:10:50,140 --> 00:10:50,980 - Yeah. 197 00:10:50,980 --> 00:10:52,420 - Yeah, absolutely. 198 00:10:52,420 --> 00:10:55,780 - And I think it is important. 199 00:10:55,780 --> 00:10:58,820 What I think is so great about extra relations 200 00:10:58,820 --> 00:11:00,460 is that on one side, you know, I'm a huge fan 201 00:11:00,460 --> 00:11:02,860 of disaster films and that sort of thing. 202 00:11:02,860 --> 00:11:05,180 And this has obviously an element of that, 203 00:11:05,180 --> 00:11:09,860 but it has the human element that I was talking about 204 00:11:09,860 --> 00:11:13,740 before where we see how it affects us in so many ways 205 00:11:13,740 --> 00:11:16,940 that many of us may not even think about 206 00:11:16,940 --> 00:11:19,500 until seeing something like extra relations 207 00:11:19,500 --> 00:11:22,740 where you're like, oh, that's me doing, you know, 208 00:11:22,740 --> 00:11:24,420 whatever one of the characters is doing. 209 00:11:24,420 --> 00:11:25,940 Or that's affected me. 210 00:11:25,940 --> 00:11:28,540 And I think that's such a powerful thing 211 00:11:28,540 --> 00:11:30,940 that the series does. 212 00:11:30,940 --> 00:11:35,180 Also seeing things on the news and just realizing, 213 00:11:35,180 --> 00:11:39,420 oh, the global seed bank, you're like, all right, 214 00:11:39,420 --> 00:11:44,140 I've heard that there's concern about their future 215 00:11:44,140 --> 00:11:46,420 when that's something that we really rely on. 216 00:11:46,420 --> 00:11:51,020 And he's so gifted at threading together 217 00:11:51,020 --> 00:11:53,860 intersecting plot lines. 218 00:11:53,860 --> 00:11:57,900 And, you know, our vulnerability as a species 219 00:11:57,900 --> 00:11:59,900 does bring us together. 220 00:11:59,900 --> 00:12:04,220 And that, you know, not only preserving the biodiversity, 221 00:12:04,220 --> 00:12:08,860 but we are also part of the bio and the diversity. 222 00:12:08,860 --> 00:12:10,340 Yeah, absolutely. 223 00:12:10,340 --> 00:12:15,300 And I think that some of these ideas can become so overwhelming 224 00:12:15,300 --> 00:12:18,620 and scary and sometimes just want you to shut off 225 00:12:18,620 --> 00:12:21,580 and not watch the news or, you know, sort of disappear 226 00:12:21,580 --> 00:12:22,460 and not know about it. 227 00:12:22,460 --> 00:12:25,500 And like the human aspect of this, as you were just saying, 228 00:12:25,500 --> 00:12:28,420 like really brings it down to like, 229 00:12:28,420 --> 00:12:32,300 you relate in ways through your families, through your friends, 230 00:12:32,300 --> 00:12:36,900 right, and you start to think about a small piece, 231 00:12:36,900 --> 00:12:39,420 an important piece, everyone's an important piece 232 00:12:39,420 --> 00:12:42,820 of a much bigger sort of universe in world. 233 00:12:42,820 --> 00:12:46,460 And I think, Scott, does so incredibly. 234 00:12:46,460 --> 00:12:49,260 So do I. Thank you both so much for speaking with me. 235 00:12:49,260 --> 00:12:52,980 I can't wait for everybody to see extra relations. 236 00:12:52,980 --> 00:12:53,980 Thank you. 237 00:12:53,980 --> 00:12:54,140 Thank you. 238 00:12:54,140 --> 00:12:55,500 Nice to join you today. 239 00:12:55,500 --> 00:12:59,140 (upbeat music) 240 00:12:59,140 --> 00:13:02,380 ♪ Diane Lane, Michael Gandalfini ♪ 241 00:13:02,380 --> 00:13:03,780 ♪ Love, love, love them ♪ 242 00:13:03,780 --> 00:13:07,500 ♪ And love extra prolace, extra polations ♪ 243 00:13:07,500 --> 00:13:10,140 I'm having problems with words today, which is funny 244 00:13:10,140 --> 00:13:12,860 'cause I get paid to play with words. 245 00:13:12,860 --> 00:13:15,700 So in any event, love them. 246 00:13:15,700 --> 00:13:18,780 There's such great actors and such great people, 247 00:13:18,780 --> 00:13:23,060 like just down to earth, good people, love their work. 248 00:13:23,060 --> 00:13:26,780 I can't wait to see Diane's upcoming series, "A Man in Full," 249 00:13:26,780 --> 00:13:31,780 and Michael is gonna be in Daredevil born again. 250 00:13:31,780 --> 00:13:34,660 I think that's been announced. 251 00:13:34,660 --> 00:13:35,820 Oh boy. 252 00:13:35,820 --> 00:13:38,620 Okay, I hope the Disney and Marvel studios, 253 00:13:38,620 --> 00:13:41,380 gods don't have me suicided. 254 00:13:41,380 --> 00:13:42,860 I think that's announced. 255 00:13:42,860 --> 00:13:44,660 If it's not, forget that I said that. 256 00:13:44,660 --> 00:13:46,980 He's also in "Bose of Freed," 257 00:13:46,980 --> 00:13:51,340 which is the upcoming film from Ari Auster, 258 00:13:51,340 --> 00:13:53,700 who is a visionary director, 259 00:13:53,700 --> 00:13:58,740 and he is starring in a Bob Marley biopic, 260 00:13:58,740 --> 00:14:00,420 which I'm really looking forward to as well. 261 00:14:00,420 --> 00:14:03,460 And of course, we'll be covering Diane and Michael's work 262 00:14:03,460 --> 00:14:05,060 from here till the day I die. 263 00:14:05,060 --> 00:14:09,180 So, or get fired, which at this rate, who knows? 264 00:14:09,180 --> 00:14:13,540 So in any event, there was my interview 265 00:14:13,540 --> 00:14:15,620 with those two amazing people. 266 00:14:15,620 --> 00:14:20,620 Next stop, we're gonna get into rabbit hole interviews. 267 00:14:20,780 --> 00:14:25,780 I can't even, I'm so afraid to say anything about the series 268 00:14:25,780 --> 00:14:29,780 because it's so good and it's so twisty and turny. 269 00:14:29,780 --> 00:14:34,580 So I'm not gonna say anything that I haven't said already. 270 00:14:34,580 --> 00:14:36,180 Okay, we're just gonna get into the interviews. 271 00:14:36,180 --> 00:14:39,060 We're gonna start up with Walt Kling, 272 00:14:39,060 --> 00:14:41,820 and a Graham and Rob Yang. 273 00:14:41,820 --> 00:14:44,500 (dramatic music) 274 00:14:44,500 --> 00:14:47,340 - Hi, have your chat with open please. 275 00:14:47,340 --> 00:14:50,140 Say your name and outlet, then begin. 276 00:14:50,140 --> 00:14:53,220 - Kyle McMahon, I heart radio's pop culture weekly. 277 00:14:53,220 --> 00:14:55,780 Thank you for joining me. 278 00:14:55,780 --> 00:14:56,820 - Thank you. 279 00:14:56,820 --> 00:14:58,700 - What a great voice. 280 00:14:58,700 --> 00:15:01,020 Oh, thank you, thank you very much. 281 00:15:01,020 --> 00:15:04,260 So I absolutely love rabbit hole. 282 00:15:04,260 --> 00:15:07,180 Saw the first few episodes, totally edge of your seat. 283 00:15:07,180 --> 00:15:09,100 I can't wait to continue. 284 00:15:09,100 --> 00:15:13,540 What was it like for all of you to film something 285 00:15:13,540 --> 00:15:16,580 that's so nail biting, so edge of your seat, 286 00:15:16,580 --> 00:15:18,500 changing all the time? 287 00:15:18,500 --> 00:15:21,300 And Rob, we could start with you and go that way. 288 00:15:21,300 --> 00:15:22,340 - Oh, it was great. 289 00:15:22,340 --> 00:15:25,020 I mean, just, I couldn't wait to find out what happened. 290 00:15:25,020 --> 00:15:27,300 We didn't get all the scripts upfront. 291 00:15:27,300 --> 00:15:32,300 We had the handful of them, and then the guys were writing, 292 00:15:32,300 --> 00:15:35,940 as far as where they wanted. 293 00:15:35,940 --> 00:15:39,620 They always have ideas, but I think they're really good 294 00:15:39,620 --> 00:15:42,140 at just seeing what we're doing 295 00:15:42,140 --> 00:15:44,780 and not being precious with things 296 00:15:44,780 --> 00:15:46,780 and coming up with better things. 297 00:15:46,780 --> 00:15:50,980 So this show really lends itself to like that, 298 00:15:50,980 --> 00:15:55,980 what you think is not what you think maybe, maybe not. 299 00:15:55,980 --> 00:15:59,020 I don't know, but yeah, it's got that. 300 00:15:59,020 --> 00:16:01,580 And it zooms from beginning, it's eight episodes 301 00:16:01,580 --> 00:16:04,380 for the first season, and it just, yeah. 302 00:16:04,380 --> 00:16:07,060 It's got no problems with that. 303 00:16:07,060 --> 00:16:11,340 Trying to follow what's going on and wanting to. 304 00:16:11,340 --> 00:16:13,660 - And how about for you, Edith? 305 00:16:13,660 --> 00:16:17,260 - Yeah, it was really exciting to be involved in. 306 00:16:17,260 --> 00:16:19,500 First of all, a spy thriller. 307 00:16:19,500 --> 00:16:21,580 It's a great genre. 308 00:16:21,580 --> 00:16:24,940 And then this one is a particular kind of spy thriller 309 00:16:24,940 --> 00:16:26,860 because it's also funny and witty, 310 00:16:26,860 --> 00:16:29,900 and we got great interesting characters. 311 00:16:29,900 --> 00:16:34,020 So I, yeah, I didn't know everything that was gonna happen, 312 00:16:34,020 --> 00:16:38,340 and when the new script would arrive in my email, 313 00:16:38,340 --> 00:16:40,140 I would immediately stop whatever I was doing, 314 00:16:40,140 --> 00:16:41,380 open it up and find out. 315 00:16:41,380 --> 00:16:44,580 And I definitely think that's what it's gonna be like to watch it. 316 00:16:44,580 --> 00:16:47,340 It's very thrilling and you think you know, 317 00:16:47,340 --> 00:16:48,980 and then you don't, so. 318 00:16:48,980 --> 00:16:50,740 - And how about for you, Will? 319 00:16:50,740 --> 00:16:52,740 - Well, is it a question, sir? 320 00:16:52,740 --> 00:16:55,340 - So is it, you know, for me as a viewer, 321 00:16:55,340 --> 00:16:57,820 I'm like nail biting edge of your seat. 322 00:16:57,820 --> 00:17:01,060 It was at the same for you as an actor, you know, 323 00:17:01,060 --> 00:17:02,460 going through this. 324 00:17:02,460 --> 00:17:03,660 - Of course, man. 325 00:17:03,660 --> 00:17:05,740 Every, every time we got a new script, 326 00:17:05,740 --> 00:17:08,820 I was like, how do you fight seeing more, 327 00:17:08,820 --> 00:17:10,860 was beating up keyframes? 328 00:17:10,860 --> 00:17:15,980 do we crazy things that I thought I would never do? You know, they're not, I've got along 329 00:17:15,980 --> 00:17:22,700 with knives, skateboards and it's a little bit of a voice dream. Absolutely. And it feels, 330 00:17:22,700 --> 00:17:28,420 you know, I've said this to all of the talent that I've interviewed today, except for keeper 331 00:17:28,420 --> 00:17:33,900 at this point. I don't know who's good or bad. I'm like, oh, I love that character and 332 00:17:33,900 --> 00:17:37,260 then I'm like, wait a second, you know, and then I'm like, Oh, no, no, they're cool. I'm 333 00:17:37,260 --> 00:17:41,580 going to be like, wait, no, no, no, no, you know, it's very, and I love that ride as a viewer. 334 00:17:41,580 --> 00:17:45,740 You know what I'm saying? That's great. Yeah. Yeah. It's exactly it. And I feel like the world we 335 00:17:45,740 --> 00:17:49,340 live in now is kind of like that. Like you think, Oh, I know what that person's about. And then 336 00:17:49,340 --> 00:17:55,100 you find out, Oh, well, maybe not. And I think it really captures the zeitgeist of show of 337 00:17:55,100 --> 00:18:01,420 that kind of paranoia that I think we're all living with. Absolutely. I can't wait for everybody 338 00:18:01,420 --> 00:18:06,700 to see or have it whole. I absolutely love it. Thank you. All three of you for speaking with me today. 339 00:18:06,700 --> 00:18:07,660 Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. 340 00:18:07,660 --> 00:18:20,060 There they are. Walt Clink in a gram and Rob Yang from Paramount Plus's Rabbit Hole, which comes out 341 00:18:20,060 --> 00:18:26,140 this Sunday, depending on when you're listening, rabbit hole comes out exclusively on Paramount Plus 342 00:18:26,140 --> 00:18:32,060 this Sunday. And then every Sunday from then on out. I love the show. I'm serious. All right, next up 343 00:18:32,060 --> 00:18:43,180 from rabbit hole, Meta Golding and Charles Dance. I thank you both so much for joining me. I really 344 00:18:43,180 --> 00:18:51,580 appreciate it. Of course. So first of all, I love rabbit hole. I saw the first few episodes and I 345 00:18:51,580 --> 00:18:57,340 am already addicted edge of my seat. And I've got to say, and this is actually a compliment to both 346 00:18:57,340 --> 00:19:05,900 of you. I can't tell whether to trust you guys or not. And again, I say that as a compliment, 347 00:19:05,900 --> 00:19:14,460 because obviously your skills are both incredible for you. How is it to read something? 348 00:19:14,460 --> 00:19:24,940 Is it as exciting for you as actors to read a script as it is for us to watch you perform that 349 00:19:24,940 --> 00:19:35,500 script when it's so nail biting? Well, speaking for me personally, I'm quite a slow reader. I have 350 00:19:35,500 --> 00:19:42,780 to read things about three times, right? My first read of this, I didn't know what was going on, 351 00:19:42,780 --> 00:19:49,020 actually. And then I read it again and I get a bit more information. And then the third time, 352 00:19:49,020 --> 00:19:59,100 I kind of know what's going on. It's very, very cleverly written, this thing. And it's the kind of thing 353 00:19:59,100 --> 00:20:09,020 that you have to watch leaning forward. You can't slouch back in a seat watching this because you've 354 00:20:09,020 --> 00:20:18,620 got to be on it the whole time. And if people watch it like that, then they'll be rewarded. But if 355 00:20:18,620 --> 00:20:23,740 they kind of sit back and think they can coast through this, they're going to be wrong. 356 00:20:23,740 --> 00:20:31,980 And how about for you, men? Yeah, for me, when I read the first couple episodes, I didn't know, 357 00:20:31,980 --> 00:20:39,180 I was like, well, is she good? Like, I didn't know. I had to keep reading and keep asking questions. 358 00:20:39,180 --> 00:20:47,020 It's every episode I thought something completely different about my character. So it was really 359 00:20:47,020 --> 00:20:54,220 fascinating to play a woman that has so many layers. And I think that that is what is really intriguing 360 00:20:54,220 --> 00:21:01,900 about the series is that you just don't know. And as an actor, that's exciting. But also, it just 361 00:21:01,900 --> 00:21:07,580 took me a while to figure it out. I mean, obviously, once I signed on, you know, it was told, they said, 362 00:21:07,580 --> 00:21:13,260 this is what the deal is, but there are just so many twists and turns that, but I didn't know. 363 00:21:13,260 --> 00:21:17,660 And I remember when I first started talking with them about this project, I was like, so wait, 364 00:21:17,660 --> 00:21:26,540 is she good? Is she bad? You know? So I love it. Thank you so much. We are at time. I really 365 00:21:26,540 --> 00:21:30,940 appreciate it. I can't wait for everybody to see Rabbit Hole. Thank you. Thank you so much. 366 00:21:30,940 --> 00:21:43,020 Metagolding and Charles dance. So Metagolding, you may know as a nobaria from the Hunger Games series. 367 00:21:43,020 --> 00:21:50,300 She's awesome. So it's Charles dance. But she was also on Empire as Terry. 368 00:21:50,300 --> 00:21:55,660 CSI Miami. She's done a lot of work and I'm excited to see all of the things that will be coming from 369 00:21:55,660 --> 00:22:03,180 her in the future. Charles dance. He played class in four-year eyes only. He was in a freaking bond 370 00:22:03,180 --> 00:22:09,900 film. How awesome is that? He was in Gosford Park. I love that movie. Oligine to house. What of my 371 00:22:09,900 --> 00:22:19,260 favorite fine films? Dracula untolds. Victor Frankenstein as Frankenstein himself. The Kingsman 372 00:22:19,260 --> 00:22:24,860 as Lord Kitchener. And he's got the liar coming up, which I'm really looking forward to. And that's 373 00:22:24,860 --> 00:22:33,500 just on the movie side as well. All right. Next up is the creators of Rabbit Hole, which I can go 374 00:22:33,500 --> 00:22:36,380 into a little bit more of them because I feel like that's not the, you know, there's nothing 375 00:22:36,380 --> 00:22:46,380 spoiler. I could say about them. These guys are awesome. So Glenn and John met at Pratt in New 376 00:22:46,380 --> 00:22:54,300 York in Brooklyn and then worked together after college at Nickelodeon doing animation. And then 377 00:22:54,300 --> 00:23:01,340 together they did cats and dogs, a bad Santa, which like what? So awesome. Bad news bears. What? 378 00:23:01,340 --> 00:23:07,820 So awesome. I love you Philip Morris was their directorial debut and they wrote it and whiskey tango 379 00:23:07,820 --> 00:23:14,860 frack, frack trot frack trot whiskey tango, Fox trot with TNFA and and Morgan Roby. And they did 380 00:23:14,860 --> 00:23:24,860 the incredible we crashed Apple TV plus the mini series about the we work drama as well as this 381 00:23:24,860 --> 00:23:33,900 is us by the way, really, really super creative awesome creators. And here they are. They are the creators 382 00:23:33,900 --> 00:23:42,300 and writers of rabbit hole. The Glenn Fakara and John Requa. 383 00:23:42,300 --> 00:23:53,820 Thank you both for joining me. I really appreciate it. Hi Kyle. Hi. Nice meeting you. I absolutely 384 00:23:53,820 --> 00:23:59,580 love rabbit hole. I watched the first few episodes was on the edge of my seat and I can't wait to watch 385 00:23:59,580 --> 00:24:10,300 the rest for you as EPs, you know, and creators. Is it as exciting and rewarding a process to, 386 00:24:10,300 --> 00:24:17,340 you know, kind of put this together as it is as a viewer? I love puzzles. I'm like a puzzle 387 00:24:17,340 --> 00:24:25,980 person. So I love problem solving, which is I guess why I do do the job I do. But so putting something 388 00:24:25,980 --> 00:24:32,060 like this together is incredibly challenging, but it's also incredibly fun and kind of satisfying. 389 00:24:32,060 --> 00:24:41,260 Keep your keep your brain elastic. And how about for you John? You know, it's we really wanted this 390 00:24:41,260 --> 00:24:47,580 thing to feel like a movie. We wanted it to move like a movie. We wanted to be shot like a movie. We 391 00:24:47,580 --> 00:24:52,220 wanted, you know, everything to be kind of like feature level. And that's hard to do in TV because 392 00:24:52,220 --> 00:24:58,060 you don't have time and you don't have money. So it was stressful. We had to drive a lot of the 393 00:24:58,060 --> 00:25:04,540 situations that would come up and get the stuff that shot that we needed to do and, you know, 394 00:25:04,540 --> 00:25:10,060 and by hook or crook. And so it was stressful making it. It was really stressful. But the 395 00:25:10,780 --> 00:25:16,060 once we went into the editing room and we had all these amazing performances and camera work, 396 00:25:16,060 --> 00:25:21,260 it was just a pure joy for me. Probably maybe the most fun I've had in my career just editing the show. 397 00:25:21,260 --> 00:25:30,460 Oh wow, that's awesome. And you know, it is one of those shows that I feel like if I was behind 398 00:25:30,460 --> 00:25:35,980 the scenes, I would need like a chart to keep track of everything. Are you guys like, you know, 399 00:25:35,980 --> 00:25:41,500 for continuity wise, are you like trying to or were you, you know, tracking every single thing to make 400 00:25:41,500 --> 00:25:48,140 sure? Because there's a lot going on. Yeah, there were three of us. And there's Glenn and I and 401 00:25:48,140 --> 00:25:53,980 Hunt. And then there's Charlie Gogalack and Dominic Garcia who we work with as well. They all 402 00:25:53,980 --> 00:25:59,020 understood it. But basically the only people who really understood it was Glenn and I and Hunt. 403 00:25:59,020 --> 00:26:05,660 And so, you know, an actor would want to change something. Or a DP would want to shoot something. 404 00:26:05,660 --> 00:26:11,660 In a different way, we'd all have to huddle up and go, can we do this? Can we do this? Are we going to, 405 00:26:11,660 --> 00:26:16,780 are we screwing ourselves? We were we were we were in Toronto for six months making this and we 406 00:26:16,780 --> 00:26:21,420 returned to our office and the whiteboard that has everything on it is still still there. Yeah, 407 00:26:21,420 --> 00:26:26,060 you know, it's incredibly complicated. I should have taken a picture of it. Yeah, that's awesome. 408 00:26:26,060 --> 00:26:32,940 Like whiteboard with Post-it notes, you know. Thank you. Because we wanted people at the end of the 409 00:26:32,940 --> 00:26:40,380 season to go. It all made sense. We don't want this lost effect, which is like, oh, it had twists and 410 00:26:40,380 --> 00:26:45,500 turns and surprises, but none of them added it up to anything. We wanted it, the audience to go, 411 00:26:45,500 --> 00:26:49,500 oh, wow, that's what this was all about, you know. The way big. Awesome. Yeah. 412 00:26:49,500 --> 00:26:55,660 I love it. Thank you so much. I can't wait for everybody to see Rabbit Hole. All right. Thank you. 413 00:26:55,660 --> 00:27:01,660 It was meaning you have you as well. Have a great day. You too. 414 00:27:01,660 --> 00:27:10,460 Lemp the car on John Rackwa. Love them and love Rabbit Hole. Like I said, airing, they be premieres 415 00:27:10,460 --> 00:27:17,020 this Sunday exclusively on Paramount Plus. It is so so good. I can't wait to talk to you about Rabbit Hole. 416 00:27:17,020 --> 00:27:23,500 All right. Next, he needs no introduction, but I'm going to give him one anyway because he's freaking 417 00:27:23,500 --> 00:27:29,020 he for Sutherland. Oops. I guess I just introduced him, but I'm going to give him a more formal introduction. 418 00:27:29,020 --> 00:27:39,900 I would say most famously, I mean, at least for me, he's Jack mother umbauer. Okay. In 24. Jack 419 00:27:39,900 --> 00:27:46,060 mother umbauer. He was in standby. Me, the lost boys, young guns, flatliners, a few good men, 420 00:27:46,060 --> 00:27:53,260 three musketeers, dark city, a time to kill phone booth, melancholia, Pompeii, and the new flatliners. 421 00:27:54,060 --> 00:28:01,900 And that's just again, a little tiny taste of his resume. Oh, and I can't forget designated survivor 422 00:28:01,900 --> 00:28:06,540 where he played the freaking president of the United States. Can you imagine? 423 00:28:06,540 --> 00:28:16,540 Hefer, mother and Sutherland. As the president of the United States. Yes, please. All right. In an event. 424 00:28:17,420 --> 00:28:24,780 There he needs no introduction, but there was 37 minutes of an introduction. The one, the only 425 00:28:24,780 --> 00:28:34,220 keeper, mother and Sutherland. Thank you so much, keeper, for joining me. I really appreciate it. 426 00:28:34,220 --> 00:28:39,900 Hey, Kyle. Thanks so much for having me. Of course. So first of all, I am obsessed with rabbit hole. 427 00:28:39,900 --> 00:28:45,260 I watched the first few episodes. It's edge of your seat. I absolutely love it. I've got to know, 428 00:28:45,260 --> 00:28:52,860 of course, I've got to know for you as an actor, do you get that same thrill reading through the script 429 00:28:52,860 --> 00:28:59,500 and putting the story together as it might be on my side as if you were watching it? Maybe even more. 430 00:28:59,500 --> 00:29:07,260 When I read these scripts, immediately I started kind of knowing exactly what I wanted to do with 431 00:29:07,260 --> 00:29:13,260 these moments. And I've been doing this for a long time, and I certainly can tell how this moment 432 00:29:13,260 --> 00:29:21,260 is going to translate to an audience. So you get very excited about having an opportunity to 433 00:29:21,260 --> 00:29:27,340 play something when you know that it's going to have a profound effect on an audience. And you start 434 00:29:27,340 --> 00:29:32,860 to kind of lean into that. One of the immediate things that I loved about the characters that 435 00:29:32,860 --> 00:29:38,060 almost out of the gate, he goes through a hundred and eight degree shift where he goes from being 436 00:29:38,060 --> 00:29:44,220 the hunter to the hunted and literally goes from being in complete control to running for his life 437 00:29:44,220 --> 00:29:50,300 and trying to navigate what is true and what is not true in the world around him. 438 00:29:50,300 --> 00:29:57,180 And so anytime you get a chance to kind of do something as dynamic as that with a character, it makes 439 00:29:57,180 --> 00:30:03,260 that character very vulnerable and it lets the audience in. And so I thought, again, 440 00:30:04,140 --> 00:30:08,460 John and Glenn, I think are incredibly talented writers and directors. I think they crafted this 441 00:30:08,460 --> 00:30:15,180 beautifully. So yeah, when I got to read these, I was as excited as I get. 442 00:30:15,180 --> 00:30:23,900 And did you shoot chronologically for the most part, or was it like production order? 443 00:30:23,900 --> 00:30:28,460 Well, we shoot chronologically in the sense that we'll shoot all of episode one and then we'll shoot 444 00:30:28,460 --> 00:30:37,740 all episode two and etc. But we do not shoot chronologically in the episode. So we might shoot 445 00:30:37,740 --> 00:30:42,540 a scene that's in the middle of episode one first and then we might not shoot the beginning till 446 00:30:42,540 --> 00:30:47,980 the very end. And that's just usually that's based on locations and what we can get. 447 00:30:47,980 --> 00:30:56,220 And we've all become used to doing that. I would probably get thrown if we shot something 448 00:30:56,220 --> 00:30:59,740 in order. I'd want to go back and fix everything that we did at the beginning. 449 00:30:59,740 --> 00:31:08,380 So that doesn't bother you to like, I feel like there's so much going on in each episode where 450 00:31:08,380 --> 00:31:15,500 something can go from, you know, as you said, zero, take a full 180 in one episode, you're able to 451 00:31:15,500 --> 00:31:21,180 kind of compartmentalize that for that particular scene. I've learned to write stuff down. 452 00:31:22,060 --> 00:31:29,100 You know, I think when I was younger, I used to try and wing it. But I, 24 actually taught me to kind 453 00:31:29,100 --> 00:31:35,260 of write stuff down and I have a scale of one to ten and kind of, I have a number that I'll put kind 454 00:31:35,260 --> 00:31:42,940 of where I'm at emotionally and in the context of that character. So I try and keep track of it 455 00:31:42,940 --> 00:31:49,420 like that and when you map it out, you know, it doesn't mean that something doesn't change a little 456 00:31:49,420 --> 00:31:57,340 on the day, but I try to have, I try to have a map. Awesome. I love that. I love 24. I love rabbit hole 457 00:31:57,340 --> 00:32:03,180 and I can't wait for everybody to see it. Thank you so much, keeper. Two. Thanks, man. Of course. Have a great day. 458 00:32:03,180 --> 00:32:03,820 Cheers, you two. 459 00:32:03,820 --> 00:32:16,300 Kiefer, mother Sullivan. I cannot believe I just interviewed Kiefer, Sutherland. And by the way, 460 00:32:16,300 --> 00:32:24,140 Diane Lane and Michael Gandalfini, what a show and the entire cast and crew of rabbit hole. What 461 00:32:24,140 --> 00:32:33,500 a show we have had this is what a show this is today. Like I'm just so, I'm so lucky to get to do 462 00:32:33,500 --> 00:32:39,980 what I do every day. And it is all because of you. Thank you so much for listening. Thanks for 463 00:32:39,980 --> 00:32:45,100 hanging out with me for the last hour ish. And I will see you next week. We got a lot of cool 464 00:32:45,100 --> 00:32:51,020 stuff continuing to come over and over and over every single week just for you. Please continue 465 00:32:51,020 --> 00:32:56,300 listening. Please continue sharing. Please continue reviewing the show, especially on Apple 466 00:32:56,300 --> 00:33:00,780 podcasts. It really helps in discovery. It helps to continue the show to grow every single week, 467 00:33:00,780 --> 00:33:08,460 which you are making us do. All right. I'll see you next week. Hit me up. I love you. We out. 468 00:33:08,460 --> 00:33:14,460 Thank you for listening to pop culture weekly. Here all the latest at popcultureweekly.com. 469 00:33:14,460 --> 00:33:29,900 I just interviewed he for Sutherland and Diane Lane. And Michael Gandalfini and the cast of 470 00:33:29,900 --> 00:33:33,900 Rabbit, hold on, paramilose.