Diane Lane & Michael Gandolfini (Extrapolations); Keifer Sutherland & the cast of Rabbit Hole

100:00:00,540 --> 00:00:02,440In this week's episode of Pop Culture Weekly,200:00:02,440 --> 00:00:05,920I talk to the one and only Diane, Lane, and Michael Gandalfini300:00:05,920 --> 00:00:08,520about their Apple TV+ series, Extra Preleations.400:00:08,520 --> 00:00:10,720Then I talk with Keither, Sutherlin,500:00:10,720 --> 00:00:13,840and the cast of "Rabbet Hall," let's go!600:00:13,840 --> 00:00:18,040Welcome to Pop Culture Weekly with Kyle McMahon700:00:18,040 --> 00:00:19,460from I Heart Radio.800:00:19,460 --> 00:00:22,680Your pop culture news, views, reviews,900:00:22,680 --> 00:00:25,820and celebrity interviews on all the movies, TV,1000:00:25,820 --> 00:00:28,840music, and pop culture you crave weekly.1100:00:28,840 --> 00:00:30,920Here's Kyle McMahon.1200:00:30,920 --> 00:00:33,680(upbeat music)1300:00:33,680 --> 00:00:34,600♪ Nanna, nanna ♪1400:00:34,600 --> 00:00:36,760♪ Hello and welcome to Pop Culture Weekly ♪1500:00:36,760 --> 00:00:40,720with Kyle McMahon, I of course am Kyle McMahon,1600:00:40,720 --> 00:00:45,320and there is no special rotating guest,1700:00:45,320 --> 00:00:48,320or wait, there is no special guest host1800:00:48,320 --> 00:00:50,600in the rotating panel of guest hosts this week,1900:00:50,600 --> 00:00:53,280as it is an all interview episode2000:00:53,280 --> 00:00:56,440because we have got fire today.2100:00:56,440 --> 00:01:01,440Starting with Diane Lane and Michael Gandalfini,2200:01:01,440 --> 00:01:03,920and we're gonna talk about Extra Preleations,2300:01:03,920 --> 00:01:06,680which we had David Diggs on last week2400:01:06,680 --> 00:01:09,120to talk about this series on Apple TV+,2500:01:09,120 --> 00:01:13,320which is so incredibly amazing and so incredibly powerful,2600:01:13,320 --> 00:01:15,440and you've got to watch it.2700:01:15,440 --> 00:01:17,600And talk to me on social about it.2800:01:17,600 --> 00:01:20,320Let me know what you think of Extra Preleations.2900:01:20,320 --> 00:01:24,240It is really just one of those pieces that makes you think,3000:01:24,240 --> 00:01:27,720and it's what great art really does, I think.3100:01:27,720 --> 00:01:32,160So I talk with Diane Lane and Michael Gandalfini3200:01:32,160 --> 00:01:35,680about their roles in Extra Preleations,3300:01:35,680 --> 00:01:40,680then I talk with Kiefer Sutherland and the cast3400:01:40,680 --> 00:01:46,520of Rabbit Hole, which is exclusively available3500:01:46,520 --> 00:01:48,240on Paramount Plus.3600:01:48,240 --> 00:01:50,480Rabbit Hole is so good.3700:01:50,480 --> 00:01:52,880I'm a huge 24 fan, I watched that growing up.3800:01:52,880 --> 00:01:54,400I was obsessed with it.3900:01:54,400 --> 00:01:58,840It really, I think, redefined what television could do.4000:01:58,840 --> 00:02:02,040Again, after the X-Files did it before.4100:02:02,040 --> 00:02:06,000And it really, in my opinion, popularized,4200:02:06,000 --> 00:02:07,560or I guess repopularized,4300:02:07,560 --> 00:02:12,560cereals on television, where the one episode ends,4400:02:12,560 --> 00:02:15,760and then when the next one begins,4500:02:15,760 --> 00:02:19,000it takes place right where the last episode ended off.4600:02:19,000 --> 00:02:24,000So I love 24, I love Kiefer Sutherland.4700:02:24,000 --> 00:02:26,960And I love the show Rabbit Hole.4800:02:26,960 --> 00:02:30,920It is an edge of your seat thriller.4900:02:30,920 --> 00:02:32,640And I don't even know how to describe it.5000:02:32,640 --> 00:02:36,920I guess you could say, so Kiefer plays John Weir,5100:02:36,920 --> 00:02:41,040who is this kind of in this world of corporate espionage,5200:02:41,040 --> 00:02:46,040where he like, you know, goes undercover and uncovers it.5300:02:46,040 --> 00:02:50,560And then he is framed for a murder, which it gets,5400:02:50,560 --> 00:02:54,640that's really all I can say, but it is so, so, so good.5500:02:54,640 --> 00:02:57,640So I talk with the cast of Rabbit Hole,5600:02:57,640 --> 00:03:02,640including Kiefer himself, Glenn Fakara and John Rekwa,5700:03:02,640 --> 00:03:06,800Metagolding and Charles Dance, Walt Clink, Enid Graham5800:03:06,800 --> 00:03:09,760and Rob Yang, literally the entire cast.5900:03:09,760 --> 00:03:12,600It is such a good show.6000:03:12,600 --> 00:03:16,920We're gonna start off with Michael Gandalfini and Diane Lane.6100:03:16,920 --> 00:03:20,240And if for some reason you live under a rock,6200:03:20,240 --> 00:03:25,240Diane Lane, besides being Mac Hent in DC's Superman series,6300:03:25,240 --> 00:03:29,960the DC extended universe, Martha Kent.6400:03:29,960 --> 00:03:32,520I feel like she was kind of young to play Martha Kent,6500:03:32,520 --> 00:03:36,680but she did it so well, so it's like, you know, love her.6600:03:36,680 --> 00:03:38,320And I love her anyway.6700:03:38,320 --> 00:03:41,520She is an incredible actor.6800:03:41,520 --> 00:03:46,160She debuted in a little romantic comedy film in 1979,6900:03:46,160 --> 00:03:48,080called A Little Romance.7000:03:48,080 --> 00:03:53,080And then of course, just became a huge, you know, power player.7100:03:53,080 --> 00:03:56,760She was in the outsiders from Francis Ford Coppola.7200:03:56,760 --> 00:04:01,360Actually, she's been in three or four Francis Ford Coppola films,7300:04:01,360 --> 00:04:04,520Rumblefish, Streets of Fire, The Cotton Club.7400:04:04,520 --> 00:04:09,520I absolutely love her in murder at 1600,7500:04:09,520 --> 00:04:13,640which is a great kind of action, political thriller.7600:04:13,640 --> 00:04:16,560Of course, she was in the perfect storm.7700:04:16,560 --> 00:04:21,560I mean, like one of my favorite movies, it's just so,7800:04:21,560 --> 00:04:23,640oh my God, that movie is just so good.7900:04:23,640 --> 00:04:26,040And I just have such great memories of it.8000:04:26,040 --> 00:04:27,440And still love it today.8100:04:27,440 --> 00:04:30,080And she played Chris Cotter and that.8200:04:30,080 --> 00:04:31,920Then she was in Unfaithful, which, I mean,8300:04:31,920 --> 00:04:33,440she was in a whole bunch of other stuff,8400:04:33,440 --> 00:04:38,120but like the next huge one was unfaithful with Richard Geer,8500:04:38,120 --> 00:04:42,880which was really, really good, twisty, turny, thriller.8600:04:42,880 --> 00:04:43,960I love thrillers.8700:04:43,960 --> 00:04:47,080And then of course, man of steel.8800:04:47,080 --> 00:04:49,720She, oh, she was in Pixar's Inside Out.8900:04:49,720 --> 00:04:52,720Batman vs Superman, Dawn of Justice, Justice League,9000:04:52,720 --> 00:04:55,000Zack Snyder's Justice League.9100:04:55,000 --> 00:04:59,680And that's just a few things on the film side.9200:04:59,680 --> 00:05:02,400You know, she's been on television as well,9300:05:02,400 --> 00:05:07,400loan some dub back in the late 80s and House of Cards,9400:05:08,040 --> 00:05:11,720which of course was, you know, a huge series.9500:05:11,720 --> 00:05:15,240And now extra relations.9600:05:15,240 --> 00:05:17,080She's also, by the way, just FYI,9700:05:17,080 --> 00:05:20,000she has a new series coming up soon.9800:05:20,000 --> 00:05:24,560It's a mini series, I believe, with David Akelli9900:05:24,560 --> 00:05:28,720and directed by Regina King called A Man in Full.10000:05:28,720 --> 00:05:31,120And Jeff Daniel Starr is in that with her as well.10100:05:31,120 --> 00:05:32,800So I'm looking forward to that one.10200:05:32,800 --> 00:05:34,880So that for you people living under a rock,10300:05:34,880 --> 00:05:39,880it's just a little tiny glimpse at the one and only Diane Lane.10400:05:39,880 --> 00:05:44,720And along with Diane Lane, I speak with Michael Gandalfini,10500:05:44,720 --> 00:05:49,680who of course, of course is the son of the late great James10600:05:49,680 --> 00:05:50,720Gandalfini.10700:05:50,720 --> 00:05:54,080Michael made his film debut in Ocean's Eight.10800:05:54,080 --> 00:05:56,240And he starred in the many Saints of Newark,10900:05:56,240 --> 00:06:01,200which was kind of a prequel to the sopranos11000:06:01,200 --> 00:06:05,360that takes place in Newark, New Jersey during the 60s and 70s.11100:06:05,360 --> 00:06:08,400So I talk to both of them.11200:06:08,400 --> 00:06:12,760And we're gonna jump right into my interview11300:06:12,760 --> 00:06:17,000with Michael Gandalfini and Diane Lane.11400:06:17,000 --> 00:06:19,580(upbeat music)11500:06:19,580 --> 00:06:22,160(upbeat music)11600:06:22,160 --> 00:06:33,780- Thank you so much Diane and Michael for speaking with me.11700:06:33,780 --> 00:06:35,660I really appreciate it.11800:06:35,660 --> 00:06:36,900Totally, of course.11900:06:36,900 --> 00:06:38,060Thanks for joining in.12000:06:38,060 --> 00:06:38,900- Nice to meet you.12100:06:38,900 --> 00:06:40,900- Join in, yeah. - Join you.12200:06:40,900 --> 00:06:41,860- Thank you.12300:06:41,860 --> 00:06:46,100So this series is incredibly powerful.12400:06:46,100 --> 00:06:49,420It's also very scary in many ways.12500:06:49,420 --> 00:06:51,980And at the heart of it, for me at least,12600:06:51,980 --> 00:06:55,860is the human element of it all?12700:06:55,860 --> 00:06:58,260Was that what attracted you both12800:06:58,260 --> 00:07:00,940to your characters in the series?12900:07:00,940 --> 00:07:07,780- Yeah, I definitely think that when I got the script,13000:07:07,780 --> 00:07:13,980it's such an inspiring sort of, you know,13100:07:13,980 --> 00:07:17,220series about things that I'm really passionate about.13200:07:17,220 --> 00:07:21,540And I think a lot of people are in sort of this, you know,13300:07:21,540 --> 00:07:24,260within the last, I don't know, 20, 30 years13400:07:24,260 --> 00:07:27,300become a real civic duty to be aware of these things.13500:07:27,300 --> 00:07:32,220But what drew me in was the relationship13600:07:32,220 --> 00:07:34,700that Rowan has with his father, you know,13700:07:34,700 --> 00:07:37,020and sort of the estranged relationship13800:07:37,020 --> 00:07:40,340because as he's doing something that he really believes in,13900:07:40,340 --> 00:07:44,220he knows that it's gonna cause his relationship14000:07:44,220 --> 00:07:46,340with his father to be more strained, you know,14100:07:46,340 --> 00:07:49,900and I think that there comes to a point14200:07:49,900 --> 00:07:54,060when you begin to grow up where some of your views14300:07:54,060 --> 00:07:56,660and some of your sort of opinions on things14400:07:56,660 --> 00:07:58,260differ from your parents.14500:07:58,260 --> 00:08:01,540And it's a really scary part of growing up.14600:08:01,540 --> 00:08:04,780And I like really related and really thought that14700:08:04,780 --> 00:08:09,780it was a beautiful, you know, relationship to have14800:08:09,780 --> 00:08:15,420within this giant sort of world about, you know,14900:08:16,140 --> 00:08:19,060global warming and sort of our earth.15000:08:19,060 --> 00:08:21,060So it definitely drew me in, yeah.15100:08:21,060 --> 00:08:24,340- And how about for you, Diane, with Martha?15200:08:24,340 --> 00:08:30,620- Well, I like the fact that my character has a sort of moral15300:08:30,620 --> 00:08:35,140dilemma and she wants to be in service15400:08:35,140 --> 00:08:40,140to what she believes is the greater good,15500:08:40,140 --> 00:08:45,380but things are revealed as she goes along.15600:08:45,380 --> 00:08:49,460So we sort of see her earlier in the story15700:08:49,460 --> 00:08:52,260and then I guess maybe several years later15800:08:52,260 --> 00:08:53,380within the same story.15900:08:53,380 --> 00:08:57,300We see her trajectory of her line of work16000:08:57,300 --> 00:08:58,140and her involvement.16100:08:58,140 --> 00:09:01,020We get to understand more about technology16200:09:01,020 --> 00:09:06,020and the corporations that are in control of so many16300:09:06,020 --> 00:09:11,540access points to what we've become dependent upon.16400:09:11,540 --> 00:09:14,860And I think that that is an interesting parallel16500:09:14,860 --> 00:09:19,860that Scott Burns is very gifted at paralleling16600:09:19,860 --> 00:09:23,340our current experience and extrapolating16700:09:23,340 --> 00:09:26,060on where we're headed based on trajectories16800:09:26,060 --> 00:09:29,220that have already been seen in our rear view mirror.16900:09:29,220 --> 00:09:31,820We can sort of tell the world we're on, right?17000:09:31,820 --> 00:09:32,820Interesting.17100:09:32,820 --> 00:09:36,740Yeah, so I was interested in her journey17200:09:36,740 --> 00:09:38,580and the journey that she's on, yeah.17300:09:38,580 --> 00:09:40,900- I love that.17400:09:40,900 --> 00:09:45,900And for you as actors, obviously you're also fans17500:09:45,900 --> 00:09:52,260of great work, was it exciting for you17600:09:52,260 --> 00:09:56,140to see the story lines of the other characters?17700:09:56,140 --> 00:09:59,740'Cause it's such a big cast to see their progression17800:09:59,740 --> 00:10:01,940through the scripts.17900:10:01,940 --> 00:10:06,700- Yeah, I mean, I hadn't read any of the other ones.18000:10:06,700 --> 00:10:11,700So to begin to watch it as just a viewer,18100:10:11,700 --> 00:10:17,740I got to fall in love and hate characters18200:10:17,740 --> 00:10:20,340and be excited and not know where we were going18300:10:20,340 --> 00:10:23,100and be surprised and laugh and laugh.18400:10:23,100 --> 00:10:24,700- Yeah, for sure.18500:10:24,700 --> 00:10:29,020And it's a great, great show.18600:10:29,020 --> 00:10:31,140And I got to watch it as a viewer18700:10:31,140 --> 00:10:32,660'cause I didn't know where it was going.18800:10:32,660 --> 00:10:34,740So it was such a pleasure.18900:10:34,740 --> 00:10:37,260I liked how it left, it leaves you with hope19000:10:37,260 --> 00:10:38,580at the end of each episode.19100:10:38,580 --> 00:10:41,260You get this little surprise gift19200:10:41,260 --> 00:10:44,420like the bottom of the cracker check box.19300:10:44,420 --> 00:10:46,420- Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.19400:10:46,420 --> 00:10:49,140- So this would just leave you thinking,19500:10:49,140 --> 00:10:50,140oh, thank God.19600:10:50,140 --> 00:10:50,980- Yeah.19700:10:50,980 --> 00:10:52,420- Yeah, absolutely.19800:10:52,420 --> 00:10:55,780- And I think it is important.19900:10:55,780 --> 00:10:58,820What I think is so great about extra relations20000:10:58,820 --> 00:11:00,460is that on one side, you know, I'm a huge fan20100:11:00,460 --> 00:11:02,860of disaster films and that sort of thing.20200:11:02,860 --> 00:11:05,180And this has obviously an element of that,20300:11:05,180 --> 00:11:09,860but it has the human element that I was talking about20400:11:09,860 --> 00:11:13,740before where we see how it affects us in so many ways20500:11:13,740 --> 00:11:16,940that many of us may not even think about20600:11:16,940 --> 00:11:19,500until seeing something like extra relations20700:11:19,500 --> 00:11:22,740where you're like, oh, that's me doing, you know,20800:11:22,740 --> 00:11:24,420whatever one of the characters is doing.20900:11:24,420 --> 00:11:25,940Or that's affected me.21000:11:25,940 --> 00:11:28,540And I think that's such a powerful thing21100:11:28,540 --> 00:11:30,940that the series does.21200:11:30,940 --> 00:11:35,180Also seeing things on the news and just realizing,21300:11:35,180 --> 00:11:39,420oh, the global seed bank, you're like, all right,21400:11:39,420 --> 00:11:44,140I've heard that there's concern about their future21500:11:44,140 --> 00:11:46,420when that's something that we really rely on.21600:11:46,420 --> 00:11:51,020And he's so gifted at threading together21700:11:51,020 --> 00:11:53,860intersecting plot lines.21800:11:53,860 --> 00:11:57,900And, you know, our vulnerability as a species21900:11:57,900 --> 00:11:59,900does bring us together.22000:11:59,900 --> 00:12:04,220And that, you know, not only preserving the biodiversity,22100:12:04,220 --> 00:12:08,860but we are also part of the bio and the diversity.22200:12:08,860 --> 00:12:10,340Yeah, absolutely.22300:12:10,340 --> 00:12:15,300And I think that some of these ideas can become so overwhelming22400:12:15,300 --> 00:12:18,620and scary and sometimes just want you to shut off22500:12:18,620 --> 00:12:21,580and not watch the news or, you know, sort of disappear22600:12:21,580 --> 00:12:22,460and not know about it.22700:12:22,460 --> 00:12:25,500And like the human aspect of this, as you were just saying,22800:12:25,500 --> 00:12:28,420like really brings it down to like,22900:12:28,420 --> 00:12:32,300you relate in ways through your families, through your friends,23000:12:32,300 --> 00:12:36,900right, and you start to think about a small piece,23100:12:36,900 --> 00:12:39,420an important piece, everyone's an important piece23200:12:39,420 --> 00:12:42,820of a much bigger sort of universe in world.23300:12:42,820 --> 00:12:46,460And I think, Scott, does so incredibly.23400:12:46,460 --> 00:12:49,260So do I. Thank you both so much for speaking with me.23500:12:49,260 --> 00:12:52,980I can't wait for everybody to see extra relations.23600:12:52,980 --> 00:12:53,980Thank you.23700:12:53,980 --> 00:12:54,140Thank you.23800:12:54,140 --> 00:12:55,500Nice to join you today.23900:12:55,500 --> 00:12:59,140(upbeat music)24000:12:59,140 --> 00:13:02,380♪ Diane Lane, Michael Gandalfini ♪24100:13:02,380 --> 00:13:03,780♪ Love, love, love them ♪24200:13:03,780 --> 00:13:07,500♪ And love extra prolace, extra polations ♪24300:13:07,500 --> 00:13:10,140I'm having problems with words today, which is funny24400:13:10,140 --> 00:13:12,860'cause I get paid to play with words.24500:13:12,860 --> 00:13:15,700So in any event, love them.24600:13:15,700 --> 00:13:18,780There's such great actors and such great people,24700:13:18,780 --> 00:13:23,060like just down to earth, good people, love their work.24800:13:23,060 --> 00:13:26,780I can't wait to see Diane's upcoming series, "A Man in Full,"24900:13:26,780 --> 00:13:31,780and Michael is gonna be in Daredevil born again.25000:13:31,780 --> 00:13:34,660I think that's been announced.25100:13:34,660 --> 00:13:35,820Oh boy.25200:13:35,820 --> 00:13:38,620Okay, I hope the Disney and Marvel studios,25300:13:38,620 --> 00:13:41,380gods don't have me suicided.25400:13:41,380 --> 00:13:42,860I think that's announced.25500:13:42,860 --> 00:13:44,660If it's not, forget that I said that.25600:13:44,660 --> 00:13:46,980He's also in "Bose of Freed,"25700:13:46,980 --> 00:13:51,340which is the upcoming film from Ari Auster,25800:13:51,340 --> 00:13:53,700who is a visionary director,25900:13:53,700 --> 00:13:58,740and he is starring in a Bob Marley biopic,26000:13:58,740 --> 00:14:00,420which I'm really looking forward to as well.26100:14:00,420 --> 00:14:03,460And of course, we'll be covering Diane and Michael's work26200:14:03,460 --> 00:14:05,060from here till the day I die.26300:14:05,060 --> 00:14:09,180So, or get fired, which at this rate, who knows?26400:14:09,180 --> 00:14:13,540So in any event, there was my interview26500:14:13,540 --> 00:14:15,620with those two amazing people.26600:14:15,620 --> 00:14:20,620Next stop, we're gonna get into rabbit hole interviews.26700:14:20,780 --> 00:14:25,780I can't even, I'm so afraid to say anything about the series26800:14:25,780 --> 00:14:29,780because it's so good and it's so twisty and turny.26900:14:29,780 --> 00:14:34,580So I'm not gonna say anything that I haven't said already.27000:14:34,580 --> 00:14:36,180Okay, we're just gonna get into the interviews.27100:14:36,180 --> 00:14:39,060We're gonna start up with Walt Kling,27200:14:39,060 --> 00:14:41,820and a Graham and Rob Yang.27300:14:41,820 --> 00:14:44,500(dramatic music)27400:14:44,500 --> 00:14:47,340- Hi, have your chat with open please.27500:14:47,340 --> 00:14:50,140Say your name and outlet, then begin.27600:14:50,140 --> 00:14:53,220- Kyle McMahon, I heart radio's pop culture weekly.27700:14:53,220 --> 00:14:55,780Thank you for joining me.27800:14:55,780 --> 00:14:56,820- Thank you.27900:14:56,820 --> 00:14:58,700- What a great voice.28000:14:58,700 --> 00:15:01,020Oh, thank you, thank you very much.28100:15:01,020 --> 00:15:04,260So I absolutely love rabbit hole.28200:15:04,260 --> 00:15:07,180Saw the first few episodes, totally edge of your seat.28300:15:07,180 --> 00:15:09,100I can't wait to continue.28400:15:09,100 --> 00:15:13,540What was it like for all of you to film something28500:15:13,540 --> 00:15:16,580that's so nail biting, so edge of your seat,28600:15:16,580 --> 00:15:18,500changing all the time?28700:15:18,500 --> 00:15:21,300And Rob, we could start with you and go that way.28800:15:21,300 --> 00:15:22,340- Oh, it was great.28900:15:22,340 --> 00:15:25,020I mean, just, I couldn't wait to find out what happened.29000:15:25,020 --> 00:15:27,300We didn't get all the scripts upfront.29100:15:27,300 --> 00:15:32,300We had the handful of them, and then the guys were writing,29200:15:32,300 --> 00:15:35,940as far as where they wanted.29300:15:35,940 --> 00:15:39,620They always have ideas, but I think they're really good29400:15:39,620 --> 00:15:42,140at just seeing what we're doing29500:15:42,140 --> 00:15:44,780and not being precious with things29600:15:44,780 --> 00:15:46,780and coming up with better things.29700:15:46,780 --> 00:15:50,980So this show really lends itself to like that,29800:15:50,980 --> 00:15:55,980what you think is not what you think maybe, maybe not.29900:15:55,980 --> 00:15:59,020I don't know, but yeah, it's got that.30000:15:59,020 --> 00:16:01,580And it zooms from beginning, it's eight episodes30100:16:01,580 --> 00:16:04,380for the first season, and it just, yeah.30200:16:04,380 --> 00:16:07,060It's got no problems with that.30300:16:07,060 --> 00:16:11,340Trying to follow what's going on and wanting to.30400:16:11,340 --> 00:16:13,660- And how about for you, Edith?30500:16:13,660 --> 00:16:17,260- Yeah, it was really exciting to be involved in.30600:16:17,260 --> 00:16:19,500First of all, a spy thriller.30700:16:19,500 --> 00:16:21,580It's a great genre.30800:16:21,580 --> 00:16:24,940And then this one is a particular kind of spy thriller30900:16:24,940 --> 00:16:26,860because it's also funny and witty,31000:16:26,860 --> 00:16:29,900and we got great interesting characters.31100:16:29,900 --> 00:16:34,020So I, yeah, I didn't know everything that was gonna happen,31200:16:34,020 --> 00:16:38,340and when the new script would arrive in my email,31300:16:38,340 --> 00:16:40,140I would immediately stop whatever I was doing,31400:16:40,140 --> 00:16:41,380open it up and find out.31500:16:41,380 --> 00:16:44,580And I definitely think that's what it's gonna be like to watch it.31600:16:44,580 --> 00:16:47,340It's very thrilling and you think you know,31700:16:47,340 --> 00:16:48,980and then you don't, so.31800:16:48,980 --> 00:16:50,740- And how about for you, Will?31900:16:50,740 --> 00:16:52,740- Well, is it a question, sir?32000:16:52,740 --> 00:16:55,340- So is it, you know, for me as a viewer,32100:16:55,340 --> 00:16:57,820I'm like nail biting edge of your seat.32200:16:57,820 --> 00:17:01,060It was at the same for you as an actor, you know,32300:17:01,060 --> 00:17:02,460going through this.32400:17:02,460 --> 00:17:03,660- Of course, man.32500:17:03,660 --> 00:17:05,740Every, every time we got a new script,32600:17:05,740 --> 00:17:08,820I was like, how do you fight seeing more,32700:17:08,820 --> 00:17:10,860was beating up keyframes?32800:17:10,860 --> 00:17:15,980do we crazy things that I thought I would never do? You know, they're not, I've got along32900:17:15,980 --> 00:17:22,700with knives, skateboards and it's a little bit of a voice dream. Absolutely. And it feels,33000:17:22,700 --> 00:17:28,420you know, I've said this to all of the talent that I've interviewed today, except for keeper33100:17:28,420 --> 00:17:33,900at this point. I don't know who's good or bad. I'm like, oh, I love that character and33200:17:33,900 --> 00:17:37,260then I'm like, wait a second, you know, and then I'm like, Oh, no, no, they're cool. I'm33300:17:37,260 --> 00:17:41,580going to be like, wait, no, no, no, no, you know, it's very, and I love that ride as a viewer.33400:17:41,580 --> 00:17:45,740You know what I'm saying? That's great. Yeah. Yeah. It's exactly it. And I feel like the world we33500:17:45,740 --> 00:17:49,340live in now is kind of like that. Like you think, Oh, I know what that person's about. And then33600:17:49,340 --> 00:17:55,100you find out, Oh, well, maybe not. And I think it really captures the zeitgeist of show of33700:17:55,100 --> 00:18:01,420that kind of paranoia that I think we're all living with. Absolutely. I can't wait for everybody33800:18:01,420 --> 00:18:06,700to see or have it whole. I absolutely love it. Thank you. All three of you for speaking with me today.33900:18:06,700 --> 00:18:07,660Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.34000:18:07,660 --> 00:18:20,060There they are. Walt Clink in a gram and Rob Yang from Paramount Plus's Rabbit Hole, which comes out34100:18:20,060 --> 00:18:26,140this Sunday, depending on when you're listening, rabbit hole comes out exclusively on Paramount Plus34200:18:26,140 --> 00:18:32,060this Sunday. And then every Sunday from then on out. I love the show. I'm serious. All right, next up34300:18:32,060 --> 00:18:43,180from rabbit hole, Meta Golding and Charles Dance. I thank you both so much for joining me. I really34400:18:43,180 --> 00:18:51,580appreciate it. Of course. So first of all, I love rabbit hole. I saw the first few episodes and I34500:18:51,580 --> 00:18:57,340am already addicted edge of my seat. And I've got to say, and this is actually a compliment to both34600:18:57,340 --> 00:19:05,900of you. I can't tell whether to trust you guys or not. And again, I say that as a compliment,34700:19:05,900 --> 00:19:14,460because obviously your skills are both incredible for you. How is it to read something?34800:19:14,460 --> 00:19:24,940Is it as exciting for you as actors to read a script as it is for us to watch you perform that34900:19:24,940 --> 00:19:35,500script when it's so nail biting? Well, speaking for me personally, I'm quite a slow reader. I have35000:19:35,500 --> 00:19:42,780to read things about three times, right? My first read of this, I didn't know what was going on,35100:19:42,780 --> 00:19:49,020actually. And then I read it again and I get a bit more information. And then the third time,35200:19:49,020 --> 00:19:59,100I kind of know what's going on. It's very, very cleverly written, this thing. And it's the kind of thing35300:19:59,100 --> 00:20:09,020that you have to watch leaning forward. You can't slouch back in a seat watching this because you've35400:20:09,020 --> 00:20:18,620got to be on it the whole time. And if people watch it like that, then they'll be rewarded. But if35500:20:18,620 --> 00:20:23,740they kind of sit back and think they can coast through this, they're going to be wrong.35600:20:23,740 --> 00:20:31,980And how about for you, men? Yeah, for me, when I read the first couple episodes, I didn't know,35700:20:31,980 --> 00:20:39,180I was like, well, is she good? Like, I didn't know. I had to keep reading and keep asking questions.35800:20:39,180 --> 00:20:47,020It's every episode I thought something completely different about my character. So it was really35900:20:47,020 --> 00:20:54,220fascinating to play a woman that has so many layers. And I think that that is what is really intriguing36000:20:54,220 --> 00:21:01,900about the series is that you just don't know. And as an actor, that's exciting. But also, it just36100:21:01,900 --> 00:21:07,580took me a while to figure it out. I mean, obviously, once I signed on, you know, it was told, they said,36200:21:07,580 --> 00:21:13,260this is what the deal is, but there are just so many twists and turns that, but I didn't know.36300:21:13,260 --> 00:21:17,660And I remember when I first started talking with them about this project, I was like, so wait,36400:21:17,660 --> 00:21:26,540is she good? Is she bad? You know? So I love it. Thank you so much. We are at time. I really36500:21:26,540 --> 00:21:30,940appreciate it. I can't wait for everybody to see Rabbit Hole. Thank you. Thank you so much.36600:21:30,940 --> 00:21:43,020Metagolding and Charles dance. So Metagolding, you may know as a nobaria from the Hunger Games series.36700:21:43,020 --> 00:21:50,300She's awesome. So it's Charles dance. But she was also on Empire as Terry.36800:21:50,300 --> 00:21:55,660CSI Miami. She's done a lot of work and I'm excited to see all of the things that will be coming from36900:21:55,660 --> 00:22:03,180her in the future. Charles dance. He played class in four-year eyes only. He was in a freaking bond37000:22:03,180 --> 00:22:09,900film. How awesome is that? He was in Gosford Park. I love that movie. Oligine to house. What of my37100:22:09,900 --> 00:22:19,260favorite fine films? Dracula untolds. Victor Frankenstein as Frankenstein himself. The Kingsman37200:22:19,260 --> 00:22:24,860as Lord Kitchener. And he's got the liar coming up, which I'm really looking forward to. And that's37300:22:24,860 --> 00:22:33,500just on the movie side as well. All right. Next up is the creators of Rabbit Hole, which I can go37400:22:33,500 --> 00:22:36,380into a little bit more of them because I feel like that's not the, you know, there's nothing37500:22:36,380 --> 00:22:46,380spoiler. I could say about them. These guys are awesome. So Glenn and John met at Pratt in New37600:22:46,380 --> 00:22:54,300York in Brooklyn and then worked together after college at Nickelodeon doing animation. And then37700:22:54,300 --> 00:23:01,340together they did cats and dogs, a bad Santa, which like what? So awesome. Bad news bears. What?37800:23:01,340 --> 00:23:07,820So awesome. I love you Philip Morris was their directorial debut and they wrote it and whiskey tango37900:23:07,820 --> 00:23:14,860frack, frack trot frack trot whiskey tango, Fox trot with TNFA and and Morgan Roby. And they did38000:23:14,860 --> 00:23:24,860the incredible we crashed Apple TV plus the mini series about the we work drama as well as this38100:23:24,860 --> 00:23:33,900is us by the way, really, really super creative awesome creators. And here they are. They are the creators38200:23:33,900 --> 00:23:42,300and writers of rabbit hole. The Glenn Fakara and John Requa.38300:23:42,300 --> 00:23:53,820Thank you both for joining me. I really appreciate it. Hi Kyle. Hi. Nice meeting you. I absolutely38400:23:53,820 --> 00:23:59,580love rabbit hole. I watched the first few episodes was on the edge of my seat and I can't wait to watch38500:23:59,580 --> 00:24:10,300the rest for you as EPs, you know, and creators. Is it as exciting and rewarding a process to,38600:24:10,300 --> 00:24:17,340you know, kind of put this together as it is as a viewer? I love puzzles. I'm like a puzzle38700:24:17,340 --> 00:24:25,980person. So I love problem solving, which is I guess why I do do the job I do. But so putting something38800:24:25,980 --> 00:24:32,060like this together is incredibly challenging, but it's also incredibly fun and kind of satisfying.38900:24:32,060 --> 00:24:41,260Keep your keep your brain elastic. And how about for you John? You know, it's we really wanted this39000:24:41,260 --> 00:24:47,580thing to feel like a movie. We wanted it to move like a movie. We wanted to be shot like a movie. We39100:24:47,580 --> 00:24:52,220wanted, you know, everything to be kind of like feature level. And that's hard to do in TV because39200:24:52,220 --> 00:24:58,060you don't have time and you don't have money. So it was stressful. We had to drive a lot of the39300:24:58,060 --> 00:25:04,540situations that would come up and get the stuff that shot that we needed to do and, you know,39400:25:04,540 --> 00:25:10,060and by hook or crook. And so it was stressful making it. It was really stressful. But the39500:25:10,780 --> 00:25:16,060once we went into the editing room and we had all these amazing performances and camera work,39600:25:16,060 --> 00:25:21,260it was just a pure joy for me. Probably maybe the most fun I've had in my career just editing the show.39700:25:21,260 --> 00:25:30,460Oh wow, that's awesome. And you know, it is one of those shows that I feel like if I was behind39800:25:30,460 --> 00:25:35,980the scenes, I would need like a chart to keep track of everything. Are you guys like, you know,39900:25:35,980 --> 00:25:41,500for continuity wise, are you like trying to or were you, you know, tracking every single thing to make40000:25:41,500 --> 00:25:48,140sure? Because there's a lot going on. Yeah, there were three of us. And there's Glenn and I and40100:25:48,140 --> 00:25:53,980Hunt. And then there's Charlie Gogalack and Dominic Garcia who we work with as well. They all40200:25:53,980 --> 00:25:59,020understood it. But basically the only people who really understood it was Glenn and I and Hunt.40300:25:59,020 --> 00:26:05,660And so, you know, an actor would want to change something. Or a DP would want to shoot something.40400:26:05,660 --> 00:26:11,660In a different way, we'd all have to huddle up and go, can we do this? Can we do this? Are we going to,40500:26:11,660 --> 00:26:16,780are we screwing ourselves? We were we were we were in Toronto for six months making this and we40600:26:16,780 --> 00:26:21,420returned to our office and the whiteboard that has everything on it is still still there. Yeah,40700:26:21,420 --> 00:26:26,060you know, it's incredibly complicated. I should have taken a picture of it. Yeah, that's awesome.40800:26:26,060 --> 00:26:32,940Like whiteboard with Post-it notes, you know. Thank you. Because we wanted people at the end of the40900:26:32,940 --> 00:26:40,380season to go. It all made sense. We don't want this lost effect, which is like, oh, it had twists and41000:26:40,380 --> 00:26:45,500turns and surprises, but none of them added it up to anything. We wanted it, the audience to go,41100:26:45,500 --> 00:26:49,500oh, wow, that's what this was all about, you know. The way big. Awesome. Yeah.41200:26:49,500 --> 00:26:55,660I love it. Thank you so much. I can't wait for everybody to see Rabbit Hole. All right. Thank you.41300:26:55,660 --> 00:27:01,660It was meaning you have you as well. Have a great day. You too.41400:27:01,660 --> 00:27:10,460Lemp the car on John Rackwa. Love them and love Rabbit Hole. Like I said, airing, they be premieres41500:27:10,460 --> 00:27:17,020this Sunday exclusively on Paramount Plus. It is so so good. I can't wait to talk to you about Rabbit Hole.41600:27:17,020 --> 00:27:23,500All right. Next, he needs no introduction, but I'm going to give him one anyway because he's freaking41700:27:23,500 --> 00:27:29,020he for Sutherland. Oops. I guess I just introduced him, but I'm going to give him a more formal introduction.41800:27:29,020 --> 00:27:39,900I would say most famously, I mean, at least for me, he's Jack mother umbauer. Okay. In 24. Jack41900:27:39,900 --> 00:27:46,060mother umbauer. He was in standby. Me, the lost boys, young guns, flatliners, a few good men,42000:27:46,060 --> 00:27:53,260three musketeers, dark city, a time to kill phone booth, melancholia, Pompeii, and the new flatliners.42100:27:54,060 --> 00:28:01,900And that's just again, a little tiny taste of his resume. Oh, and I can't forget designated survivor42200:28:01,900 --> 00:28:06,540where he played the freaking president of the United States. Can you imagine?42300:28:06,540 --> 00:28:16,540Hefer, mother and Sutherland. As the president of the United States. Yes, please. All right. In an event.42400:28:17,420 --> 00:28:24,780There he needs no introduction, but there was 37 minutes of an introduction. The one, the only42500:28:24,780 --> 00:28:34,220keeper, mother and Sutherland. Thank you so much, keeper, for joining me. I really appreciate it.42600:28:34,220 --> 00:28:39,900Hey, Kyle. Thanks so much for having me. Of course. So first of all, I am obsessed with rabbit hole.42700:28:39,900 --> 00:28:45,260I watched the first few episodes. It's edge of your seat. I absolutely love it. I've got to know,42800:28:45,260 --> 00:28:52,860of course, I've got to know for you as an actor, do you get that same thrill reading through the script42900:28:52,860 --> 00:28:59,500and putting the story together as it might be on my side as if you were watching it? Maybe even more.43000:28:59,500 --> 00:29:07,260When I read these scripts, immediately I started kind of knowing exactly what I wanted to do with43100:29:07,260 --> 00:29:13,260these moments. And I've been doing this for a long time, and I certainly can tell how this moment43200:29:13,260 --> 00:29:21,260is going to translate to an audience. So you get very excited about having an opportunity to43300:29:21,260 --> 00:29:27,340play something when you know that it's going to have a profound effect on an audience. And you start43400:29:27,340 --> 00:29:32,860to kind of lean into that. One of the immediate things that I loved about the characters that43500:29:32,860 --> 00:29:38,060almost out of the gate, he goes through a hundred and eight degree shift where he goes from being43600:29:38,060 --> 00:29:44,220the hunter to the hunted and literally goes from being in complete control to running for his life43700:29:44,220 --> 00:29:50,300and trying to navigate what is true and what is not true in the world around him.43800:29:50,300 --> 00:29:57,180And so anytime you get a chance to kind of do something as dynamic as that with a character, it makes43900:29:57,180 --> 00:30:03,260that character very vulnerable and it lets the audience in. And so I thought, again,44000:30:04,140 --> 00:30:08,460John and Glenn, I think are incredibly talented writers and directors. I think they crafted this44100:30:08,460 --> 00:30:15,180beautifully. So yeah, when I got to read these, I was as excited as I get.44200:30:15,180 --> 00:30:23,900And did you shoot chronologically for the most part, or was it like production order?44300:30:23,900 --> 00:30:28,460Well, we shoot chronologically in the sense that we'll shoot all of episode one and then we'll shoot44400:30:28,460 --> 00:30:37,740all episode two and etc. But we do not shoot chronologically in the episode. So we might shoot44500:30:37,740 --> 00:30:42,540a scene that's in the middle of episode one first and then we might not shoot the beginning till44600:30:42,540 --> 00:30:47,980the very end. And that's just usually that's based on locations and what we can get.44700:30:47,980 --> 00:30:56,220And we've all become used to doing that. I would probably get thrown if we shot something44800:30:56,220 --> 00:30:59,740in order. I'd want to go back and fix everything that we did at the beginning.44900:30:59,740 --> 00:31:08,380So that doesn't bother you to like, I feel like there's so much going on in each episode where45000:31:08,380 --> 00:31:15,500something can go from, you know, as you said, zero, take a full 180 in one episode, you're able to45100:31:15,500 --> 00:31:21,180kind of compartmentalize that for that particular scene. I've learned to write stuff down.45200:31:22,060 --> 00:31:29,100You know, I think when I was younger, I used to try and wing it. But I, 24 actually taught me to kind45300:31:29,100 --> 00:31:35,260of write stuff down and I have a scale of one to ten and kind of, I have a number that I'll put kind45400:31:35,260 --> 00:31:42,940of where I'm at emotionally and in the context of that character. So I try and keep track of it45500:31:42,940 --> 00:31:49,420like that and when you map it out, you know, it doesn't mean that something doesn't change a little45600:31:49,420 --> 00:31:57,340on the day, but I try to have, I try to have a map. Awesome. I love that. I love 24. I love rabbit hole45700:31:57,340 --> 00:32:03,180and I can't wait for everybody to see it. Thank you so much, keeper. Two. Thanks, man. Of course. Have a great day.45800:32:03,180 --> 00:32:03,820Cheers, you two.45900:32:03,820 --> 00:32:16,300Kiefer, mother Sullivan. I cannot believe I just interviewed Kiefer, Sutherland. And by the way,46000:32:16,300 --> 00:32:24,140Diane Lane and Michael Gandalfini, what a show and the entire cast and crew of rabbit hole. What46100:32:24,140 --> 00:32:33,500a show we have had this is what a show this is today. Like I'm just so, I'm so lucky to get to do46200:32:33,500 --> 00:32:39,980what I do every day. And it is all because of you. Thank you so much for listening. Thanks for46300:32:39,980 --> 00:32:45,100hanging out with me for the last hour ish. And I will see you next week. We got a lot of cool46400:32:45,100 --> 00:32:51,020stuff continuing to come over and over and over every single week just for you. Please continue46500:32:51,020 --> 00:32:56,300listening. Please continue sharing. Please continue reviewing the show, especially on Apple46600:32:56,300 --> 00:33:00,780podcasts. It really helps in discovery. It helps to continue the show to grow every single week,46700:33:00,780 --> 00:33:08,460which you are making us do. All right. I'll see you next week. Hit me up. I love you. We out.46800:33:08,460 --> 00:33:14,460Thank you for listening to pop culture weekly. Here all the latest at popcultureweekly.com.46900:33:14,460 --> 00:33:29,900I just interviewed he for Sutherland and Diane Lane. And Michael Gandalfini and the cast of47000:33:29,900 --> 00:33:33,900Rabbit, hold on, paramilose.