The Making of 'Little Wing' A Conversation with the Film's Stars and Creators (Brooklyn Prince)

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In this episode of pop Culture Weekly, it's all about the brand new Paramount

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Plus film Little Wing. I talk
with the cast and creators. Let's go

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Welcome to pop Culture Weekly with Kyle
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Weekly. Here's Kyle McMahon, n Nana

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no Net, Hello and welcome to
pop Culture Weekly with Kyle McMahon. I

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of course am Kyle McMahon, and
I am so glad that you're here to

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hang out with us for another episode
of pop Culture Weekly. This week it

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is all about the brand new film
on Paramount Plus called Little Wing, which

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you gotta watch. It's really a
great uplifting film based on a New York

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Times article a while back from Susan
Orlean who it's based on a true story.

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So I talk with Susan herself all
about you know how this came to

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be in the first place as a
story, you know, the original people

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that this happened to. She talks
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that as well as the new film. Along with Susan, I talk with

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Brooklyn Prince who's been on the show
before for her Apple TV Plus series Home

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Before Dark. She's always great and
co star Shae Tafari. They are really

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great. They just have this energy
and just so talented, so awesome and

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so amazing in Little Wing. Additionally, I talk with John Gaddins, who

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who wrote the film. He's written
some awesome stuff including Kongskull Island, one

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of my favorites ever, Power Rangers
Need for Speed Flight with the wonder Only

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Denzel Washington, Coach Carter and Moore, and I talk with director Israelite Deans,

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such a talented director who directed Are
You Afraid of the Dark, the

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reboot series directed Power Rangers Project Almanac, which is also so great Little Wing.

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It's based on this true story where
a girl starts acting out because her

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parents have divorced and she finds out
she's going to lose her childhood home because

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you know, one of the parents
just can't afford it. And then she

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figures out that racing pigeons can be
worth a lot of money, so she

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creates a plan to steal, borrow
some racing pigeons and get that childhood home

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back. It really is great.
Let's hop right into it. Let's start

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with the director, Dean Israelite.
Thank you so much for joining me,

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Dean, I really appreciate it.
Yeah, thanks for having me, of

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course. So you know, first
of all, I love I love all

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of your work. What drew you
to Little Wing? You know John Gaiden's

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who wrote Power Ranges. He and
I became close off that movie and he

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sent you know, he called me
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read this weird little script I wrote
about pigeon racing. And I said,

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well, John, my father and
grandfather were some of the pre eminent pigeon

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races in Johannesburg, South Africa in
the sixties. I'd love to read the

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script. And I you know,
I came for the pigeons and state for

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the people because the characters and their
journeys are you know, so beautiful,

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I think, and those things really
resonated. So that's how I came to

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the project, and the moment I
read it, I loved it. And

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you know, we spent six years
trying to get it made and we finally

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did, and thankfully you did because
it's such a great film. I love

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the duality of it. You know, there's I'm trying to be spoiler free,

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but there's a for me an allegory
there about home and you know the

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pigeons that in the storyline. Is
that something that resonates for you, you

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know going into a project like this, Yeah, I mean to me,

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I always approach material through the theme. So to me, it's always what

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is the movie rarely about beyond just
the story, beyond just what the characters

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are going through. What is it
all dramatizing underneath all of that. And

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so yes, the theme of home, of finding home, of what that

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means both externally and also internally in
yourself, the ideas of belonging, that's

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all very much a part of this
movie. And you're right, the pigeons

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are a metaphor for all of that. And I think the pigeons to me

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are a metaphor for liberation in this
film and pushing through crisis and sort of

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finding liberation on the other side of
that. I love that. And you

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have worked on so many amazing projects
Project Almanac, Are You Afraid of the

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Dark? Which I love as well, Power Rangers. Doing something like Power

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Rangers where it has a big budget
and then you come and do a smaller

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budget film. Do they tick all
different boxes for you as a creator.

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Definitely, I mean something like Power
Rangers. It's really fun trying to figure

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out how to go about shooting things
that you know sort of feel impossible to

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achieve. And the amount of you
know, professionals that that you're working with

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that can bring these massive sort of
set pieces to life. The preparation that

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goes into that, the execution that
goes into that, that's really fun.

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And then something like this, I
was really excited to do something that feels

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more substantive in its themes and is
not it is getting out a lot of

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these personal emotional ideas, but without
having the trappings of a genre attached to

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it. So I wanted to do
something that felt more character driven and simpler

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in that way, where every scene
is just about the human interaction that's going

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on on screen. I love that. And finally, what does home mean

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to you? I mean, I've
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so to me, it's funny It's
like I don't associate home at all with

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a place, you know, I
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and where you feel your best.
I think where you feel comfortable, where

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you feel you know obviously loved,
and I'm a father of young children now

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and so like to me like home
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and you know, we could be
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I think it's just a feeling that
we all sort of know what that feeling

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is. That's great, Dean,
Thank you so much. Congratulations on the

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film. I can't wait for everybody
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Thank you, glad you enjoyed it. Thanks Dean Israelite. Love hearing

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his insight on this film, what
drew him to it and more. Next

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up, let's get into the writers, John Gaddins and Susan Orlean. This

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is an interesting one and you're hearing
the writer of the original story, the

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article that spawned this film, and
the writer of the film itself. Here

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they are John Gaddens and Susan Orlean. Thank you both for joining me.

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I really appreciate it. Thank you. Oh it's our pleasure, of course.

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So first of all, if you
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with you. This Little Wing started
with a piece from you. I wanted

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to ask you to just speak on
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story that you were telling then spoke
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writing about subcultures, I love writing
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that I don't know anything about.
It all came together very completely in this

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story. I was chatting with a
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our dogs, and she mentioned to
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and I just my journalistic instincts kicked
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most unlikely thing I've ever heard,
a teenage girl doing a sport that I

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didn't think anyone did anymore. But
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done by elderly men. I just
knew I wanted to write about it.

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And the poignancy of the instinct in
a homing pigeon, which is to go

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home no matter what it takes.
That to me was so evocative that I

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knew I could write a story around
that. I love that. And for

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you, John, you to this
story. Yeah. No. I had

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made a movie for DreamWorks, and
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that he read it, and he
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I met and we talked all about
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to sit with Susan and we talked
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meet the girl that she profiled in
the story. I went to Boston,

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I met her and her mom,
and then I did more research and I

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had more questions for Susan, So
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on it, and I kind of
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extend it to make it this clear
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young girl who pulls off a heist
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this like older Vietnam vet and the
rest is movie magic, Yes, and

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it is magic. I love the
film. For me, Little Wing is

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very much a There's this duality to
it where the theme for me is home

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and what that means and for you
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and with the pigeons themselves, what
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That's a good question because I've actually
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I ever expected to. So while
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home is family and wherever my family
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nude at LA and I moved.
I've lived in several other places. Before

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that. My husband moved thirteen times
growing up, so you know, we've

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got in our personal histories a lot
of homes. But really, when we're

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together, wherever that is, that's
home. Being with family is home.

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And how about for you, John, It's funny I haven't moved as much.

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Like my wife and I and our
kids have lived in the same house

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for twenty five years, and growing
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until I went to college, so
that I remember anyway, And I keep

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thinking about the fact that Dean kind
of embraced that same, you know,

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kind of theme in the movie,
and there's shots that he intentionally, like

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he intentionally looked for a house that
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you know, so like that's you
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fact that pigeons establish one home in
their life, and the fact that she's

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willing and trying things and pulling off
crimes to try to like maintain this balance

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of what she think is home and
family. So it's it's hopefully a theme

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that comes through in the movie.
Awesome, thank you both for speaking with

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me. I can't wait for everybody
to see Little Wing exclusively on Paramount Plus

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Thank you, Thank you, thank
you. Have a great day, you

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too, Thanks John Gadden's and susan
Ne Orlean. I love hearing you know

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what inspired the film in true to
life in that respect, as well as

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the creative liberties that you take when
you're making a film, and what changed

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from the reality to the film version. All right, we're gonna take a

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it. All. Right, last, but not least, I talk with

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the stars of Little Wing, Shae
Safari and Brooklyn Prince. Brooklyn has been

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on the show before for Apple TV
plus's Home Before Dark. Amazing actor.

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She of course was in The Florida
Project, which I love. The Florida

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Florida Project, marsh King's daughter.
She played d D and Cocaine Bear and

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The Turning and of course, as
I said, she played Mooney in the

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Florida project. Incredible actor and Shay
Tafari co stars along with Brooklyn. He's

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a great talent himself. He's been
in eight Bit, Christmas Daredevil as Marcus,

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and he's going to have a big
career in front of him. Let's

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get into it. Shae Safari and
Brooklyn Prince, thank you both for speaking

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with me. I really appreciate it. Thank you so much. Speak of

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course. So first of all,
congrats on Little Wing. I really love

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it. I think it's like a
genre bending film that really it's so layered

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and I just think you guys did
a great job with it. So congrats

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on that. Thank you, Thank
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for certainly the movie yourselves. I
love the movie. I would watch it.

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Yeah, I'll watch it over again. Yeah, we will watch it

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over Yeah. Awesome. And for
both of you, you know what,

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and we can start with you,
Brooklyn. What drew you to this role,

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What drew me to the role was
that Caitlin was, in fact a

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typical thirteen year old girl. And
I think that's something that we do need

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to share in the industry. And
you know, I can't say it enough

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that normalizing thirteen year old girls and
their mental health and turning thirteen and what

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it's like to be thirteen. An
accurate depiction is something that just was so

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beautifully conveyed in the script and such
a character that I had never seen before,

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ever read before that I immediately was
like, oh, yeah, for

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sure, this is something that I
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I want to at least auditions for. And just my name in the ring

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for that's nice and now here and
how about for you, you know,

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I mean, I definitely like I
love connecting with Adam. You know.

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Adam is kind of like me in
a way. You know, he's an

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enthusiast, you know, like like
whatever whatever like he's interested in, he

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will go at it and he will
learn every possible thing about it. And

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that's the same thing with me.
Whether it be like you know, in

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something in history, whether it be
something in music, or whether it be

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about like shower curtains, I'll learn
everything about it, you know. And

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I don't know shower curtains, how
they're made. I'll try to make one

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myself. I don't know. I
don't know. There are so many things

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that you know, I could be
interested in and just like go in researching

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everything about it, and you know, I feel like that, that's what

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you know, I share without him. Yeah, and you're talking about like

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the YouTube rabbit hole, right yeah, yeah, yeah, no, no,

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not no, not even not even
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libraries and I will find books on
it, you know, go to Reddit

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when time he is on FaceTime.
I mean went down this whole Reddit rabbit

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hole and I just I went on
Pigeons within within five minutes. I was

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like, say, what what are
you doing? I get so enamored and

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just like just I go hard when
it goes to like researching stuff like that.

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Yeah, I love that, And
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the film very much has a duality
in story wise with the pigeons and

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with you both in regards to what
is home, you know, and can

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we always go back home? And
what is home and and all of that?

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What is home for both of you? You want to go first?

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Yeah, you know, I feel
like home is a lot of things.

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You know. Home can be physical, you know. I always like to

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tell people that there's a difference between
a house and a home. A house

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is is something physical, like,
but a home is where you know,

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you spend memories and you know,
you have family, you know you have,

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and you just have a connection with
the home. And I feel like

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the home it can be anything,
whether it be a house, whether it

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be whether it be a person,
whether it be a family, and whether

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it be yourself as well. You
know, there's always a home is a

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place where you feel comfortable and where
you have a connection. But also home

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is a place where you are comfortable
being uncomfortable, and I feel like that's

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that's a yeah. Yeah, home
for me would be anywhere with my parents

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and my family, including my dog, my dogs, because my parents and

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I and my brother, they really
we really have a special bond, especially

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in this industry of just like now, if I literally have anything, I'll

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be like, mom, I'm feeling
this, I'm feeling yeah, I'm feeling

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so overwhelmed, and they just literally
know me the best and they take care

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of me in a way that I
feel comfortable then with most people. And

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so I think home for me is
definitely my people, my parents and my

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brother who if I'm feeling sad and
said, you know, talking to me,

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He'll just come and give me the
sweetest little hug and it just it

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fixes a lot of stuff. So
anywhere with my family is home to me.

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That's amazing. Thank you both for
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Have a great day, guys.
Thank you you two. Thanks Satafari and

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Brooklyn Prince. I love Little Wing. You will love Little Wing. It

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really is just one of those heartfelt
you know. It's drama and comedy and

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suspense. It's just a great film. It is streaming right now on Paramount

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