Aug. 13, 2024

The Insane Tickled Documentary; Supacell Creator Rapman

The Insane Tickled Documentary; Supacell Creator Rapman

Join us for another exciting episode of Pop Culture Weekly with Kyle McMahon, featuring the return of Amanda Baez as a guest host, an interview with Supacell's Rapman & a deep dive into David Farrier's unbelievable documentary, Tickled.  

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Join us for another exciting episode of Pop Culture Weekly with Kyle McMahon, featuring the return of Amanda Baez as a guest host, an interview with Supacell's Rapman & a deep dive into David Farrier's unbelievable documentary, Tickled.  

We kick things off with What We Watched This Week, discussing the creepy "Long Legs" & "Twisters".  They also dive into the nostalgic and fresh soundtrack of "Twisters," spotlighting tracks by Luke Combs, Kane Brown, and Shania Twain. Amanda's hilarious revelation of her unfamiliarity with Twain's hits adds a humorous touch. 

This episode is packed with takes on reality TV and movie recommendations too, as they indulge in reality TV obsessions like "90 Day Fiancé" and "I Love a Mama's Boy," discussing the drama-filled narratives and complex relationships portrayed. 

Then Kyle talks with Rapman, the creator and visionairy behind Netflix's #1 series, Supacell.  They discuss the meticulous approach to capturing black skin on camera and Rapman's storytelling journey from music to Netflix stardom.

For the Feature Presentation, join them as they explore the strange world of competitive tickling, highlighted in the absolutely bizarre documentary "Tickled."  The episode also uncovers the dark underbelly of competitive tickling videos and the eccentric life of David D'Amato, whose bizarre activities are further unveiled in "The Tickle King." Wrapping up with the intriguing story of "Grey Gardens," we highlight how documentaries reveal extraordinary realities. Don't miss this jam-packed episode full of pop culture highlights and riveting discussions.

Check out Tickled here!

Kyle McMahon's Death, Grief & Other Sh*t We Don't Discuss is now streaming: https://www.deathandgrief.show/Chapter-One-The-Diagnosis-AKA-WTF/

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In this episode of pop Culture Weekly, I talk with Rapman,

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the genius behind Netflix's number one show supercel end Amanda

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Bias joins me again as we talk this crazy documentary

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that we watched called Tickled.

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Let's go. Welcome to pop Culture Weekly with Kyle McMahon

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from iHeartRadio, your pop culture news, views, reviews and celebrity

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interviews on all the movies, TV, music, and pop culture

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u Crabe Weekly. Here's Kyle McMahon.

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Nan Na, Hello, Welcome to pop Culture Weekly with Kyle McMahon.

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I of course am Kyle McMahon, and I thank you

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so much for once again joining me for another episode

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of pop Culture Weekly on the rotating panel of guests hosts.

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It didn't rotate very far this week because Amanda Bias's bag.

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Hi, Kyle, Hey, So how are you doing?

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I'm good?

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How are you good? How was your first episode?

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It was good?

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Yeah, it was great, Jeff fun, Yeah good.

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I loved having you and you're gonna come on a

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lot more often, so that's great. In fact, here we

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are a week later. Right now, let's get in. There's

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so much good stuff that we got to get into.

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Let's get into it right now. We're gonna start off

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with what's out this week? So what's out this week?

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I'm an idiot? And last week we talked all about Twisters.

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We did, and it did not come out last week.

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It comes out this week.

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We're ahead of the game, so I think about it

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that way. We were being proactive exactly.

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That is very true. It's horrible that, you know, I

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have this pop culture show and don't know when things

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come out. So, but Twisters is out this week?

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Is it really?

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Which are you going to see it this weekend or

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now you're going to see Long Legs? Right?

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I do want I see Long Legs this weekend. But

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I think that I can do a double trip to

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the movie, okay Twisters, because I feel like Twisters is

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nostalgic for me. Yeah, so I want to see what

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is new?

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Yeah this time and better effects and like, yeah, it's awesome.

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So yes, I'm probably gonna be seeing that this week

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and as well, and uh, Twisters the soundtrack is out too.

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It is it is?

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I listened to Luke Combe's his single yeah Ain't No

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Love in Oklahoma? Yes, I listened to that on the

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way here banger.

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It really is?

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I you and I were talking about this before the show.

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We've never been giant country fans, never, but I'm starting

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it's starting to rub off on me.

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I don't know what's going on. I feel like ever

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since I started working here and listening to it kind

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of on repeat, it's just doing something to me. Yeah,

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I didn't do before, And I'm saying to myself, this

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actually isn't that bad. Why was I such a hater?

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Yeah, I'm the same way. I mean, there's some awesome

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so I love Billy Zimmerman. I love Billy zimmer Yeah,

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his voice is so good, his music's great. He's on

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there with Heller high Water, Kane Brown, who I love.

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Tyler Childers has this song called song while You're Away

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on the soundtrack that's so good. Benson Boone I love

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him and he's not even country, but I'm glad that

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he's on there.

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Then there's this song called Boots Don't with Shanaia Twain

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and Breeland. It is so good.

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It reminds me of a Shannaia Twain song. And who

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doesn't love Shania Twain. She's looking at me like me,

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I don't know who that is?

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What?

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I'm sorry?

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I got your like seven you exaggerate.

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I'm six.

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Shanaya is uh hold on and let's go girls, and

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I'm going tonight. I'm feeling no all right, Uh okay,

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you're still.

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The one around too, the one that I be long.

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You know know that song?

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No, that don't impress me much. Oh oh oh, so

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you got the brains, but have you got no man?

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I feel lack a woman nearer.

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It feels familiar.

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Oh my god.

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Okay, well her songs were out in like two thousand.

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You weren't even born.

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I was born. I was born in the year two thousand.

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I cannot believe you've never this is a national crime,

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even though she's Canadian.

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You have to know the song.

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Oh I know that song?

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Yeah, so that's man, I feel like a woman.

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Yeah, I've heard that song before. It was like in

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a lot of two thousands movies back then.

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Yeah. Absolutely.

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Anyway, so Shanai, it sounds like a Shanaia got my

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add the song on the soundtrack of Twisters, Yeah, called

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boots Don't sounds like a Shania Twain song. Okay, which

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I guess makes sense because.

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She's on it.

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That was dumb, but anyway, uh yeah, so that's what's

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out this week?

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Not a lot.

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Oh, there's a movie called Oddity Too that's out this week.

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Which did you see the trailer for that?

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No, of course not.

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You know what, I'm gonna leave. I feel attacked all

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the time.

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It is like something with the occult and a psychic

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and a murder and all that kind of thing. So

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it's like right up my alley. So I want to

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see that too. That's it for what's out this week.

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That's it.

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Yeah, I mean there's some stuff on streaming. Uh, Simon

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Simone Biles.

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Oh, I know her, I do know her.

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Yeah, so she there's a documentary about her on called

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Simone Biles Rising on Netflix. Oh, Lady in the Lake

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Season one, which looks really good. That's on Apple TV.

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Plus Cobra kai season six on Netflix, which I do know.

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Cobra kaik I do know that, and you've seen I've

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never seen it, but I know it's I've seen I will.

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Have you seen the Karate Kid movies, which is what

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it's based, which it's like a sequel, now, okay.

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I'm kidding. I do I have seen those movies?

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Okay, good, Yeah, Cobra Kaie season six drops but anyway,

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So that's what's out this week.

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Kind of shure, Yeah, all right.

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Next up is what we consumed this week, which most

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of what I'm gonna say is gonna be saved for

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the feature presentation because the big the thing that has

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rocked my world that I consume this week is the

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documentary Tickled and Then, which I immediately texted you and

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was like, I need to talk about this. We need

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to do a whole episode on it. You need to

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watch this, and you watch it that day, right, yeah, yeah,

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I put it on.

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So and now you're like me so in that regard.

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So we're gonna talk about that and what we consume

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this week. But I did see Long Legs.

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Which we talked about last week, which was really really great.

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Oh my god, that's making me excited for when I

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see it.

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Yeah, it's so good. And I did not realize until

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afterwards that Nicholas Cage is in it.

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Oh, he's in it.

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Yeah, I didn't know that as like the Long Villains.

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Yeah, oh, I had no idea that it was him.

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And then I was on Letterbox and somebody was like,

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Nicholas Cage is amazing, and I'm like, what he wasn't

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in that. And then I looked and him, like what.

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Wait, so you don't see him in the film.

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No, he's wearing makeup.

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Oh so you can't recognize him.

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I did not recognize him at all.

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Yeah, okay, and like it's Nicholas Cage. Of course I

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know who it is.

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I did by the voice, like I know that voice.

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Yeah, and it's not even Yeah, it's amazing. I loved

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it so much. Wow.

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Yeah, I gave it a great obviously log on letterbox.

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But what did you consume this week? Besides tickled?

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I watched Mamaya Oh yeah, the first one, via recommendation

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by my friend. It was my first time watching it,

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and I loved it. Okay, it was pretty nice.

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Did you like the music?

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Yeah, it was music was good.

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Yeah, I so, I like Abbas music.

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It was like a big disco or a big band

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that did a lot of disco in I guess, like

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the seventies and eighties and sixties.

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I don't know, but I liked them from my mom.

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But it's just not my like wedding and romance.

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And all, so normally that wouldn't be my thing either.

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I'm not big on Romance. First of all, I went

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in not knowing anything about it. Okay, I didn't even

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I didn't watch no trailer, I didn't read no blurb

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about it. My friend was just like, watch this movie,

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and I said, Okay, it's a musical. That's all I knew.

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I didn't even know it was a Jukeboppies musical, so

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I was like, okay, And I don't know. I kind

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of liked it. I mean, it wasn't wow to yeah,

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but it was something that I feel like I could

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put on in the background. It's a summer movie, good vibes,

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good feels, and I really did enjoy watching it, Okay,

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But I don't know if I would put it on regularly.

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Right right, you know, I feel like like to actively watch.

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Yeah, I think this is how it is. I wouldn't

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put it on, but if it was on, I wouldn't

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turn it off. Okay, That's how it is for me.

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All right, you know? All right?

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So that was good.

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What about any of your reality shows?

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Oh, I watched d Fiance as always, I'm watching I'm

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kind of rewatching before the ninety days, so it's just

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a lot of drama that I live off of. Yeah,

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and I just I love it so much.

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And what No, it's just funny that you're like, it's

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just a lot of drama that I live off of.

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I live off of this stuff. I'm not kidding. I

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follow these people on Instagram, like, I watched videos on

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YouTube about them, and so I I can read the

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comments because I want to know what people are thinking

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during these scenes, these crazy scenes, and I'm like, Okay,

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I need to know. I run to YouTube and I

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type in the exact scene that I'm watching, like at

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the moment, and I just read people's comments. I'm thinking

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to myself, I cannot be the only one that thinks

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that this is crazy, and I want to know what

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people are saying about it. So I watched that, and

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then I obviously watched House of the Dragon every single

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Sunday at nine, I'm tuned in, I'm sat and that

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was amazing as always, Yeah, episode I don't know, I

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think five. I don't really keep track whenever, whenever it

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comes down. And then I rewatched Twister, and yeah, in

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honor of Twister is coming out this week, and that

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took me back. That took me back to childhood days.

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I didn't realize how terrible, not terrible, but how liked

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dated it was. I don't want to say terrible. Dated,

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it was just very dated. And as a kid, I'm

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watching it and I'm like, Okay, this is really good,

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and then as an adult you watch it and you're like,

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was it.

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Yeah, but it was.

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The plot was still there. I love I love that storyline.

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It's so good.

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Yeah, I love that movie. I'll probably do the same thing.

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She said, Yeah, you know, watch it before I go

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see Twisters this weekend. Did you ever watch my I

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Love A Mama's Boy.

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I've seen it on Discovery, Yeah, but I haven't watched it.

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Oh my god, don't tell me.

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It is so good.

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God, if I start a new series in reality TV,

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I am You're not going to see me for a

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good couple weeks. Like, oh my god. You gotta be

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careful with reality TV and me because that is my

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favorite genre.

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It is so I don't watch a lot of TV.

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I watch more movies, or I would say, like probably

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seventy percent movies thirty percent, and.

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I feel like I'm thirty percent movie, so many percent.

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Well, I Love A Mama's Boy.

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I was glued to Discovery plus God, yeah, it is dramatic.

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Oh my god. Dramatic isn't even the word.

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Oh my god, I'm seated.

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Yeah too.

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It is so good and I can't wait till you

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watch it so we can talk about it, Oh my god.

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And I can relate to some of it and some

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of it. I'm like, some of them, the girls, the

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fiances or whatever. The girlfriends are insane, you know, some

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of them the moms are insane. Yeah, some of them.

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It's like, you guys don't know what a healthy relationship is,

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so like, just shut up. The other ones, I'm like, oh, mom,

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that's like a little bit, you know, a little bit much.

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And I'm a mama's boy, not like that. I mean,

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some of these are really extreme. Clarification, Yeah, yeah, but

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some of these are very extreme. However, some of them,

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I'm like, no, I would totally ask my mom's opinion

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on who I'm going to marry, or you know what

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I mean, or like, the fiance may be.

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Like, what do you mean your mom doesn't like me? Bah? Well,

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it's crazy. You gotta watch it. It's so good. I can't

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wait till you watch it.

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In Ninety Day Fiance, there are a couple of in

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laws that. I just immediately when they come on, I

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just want to turn it off.

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Who was the girl?

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Tell me I probably know.

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Is her name Nicole? Nicole Okay, a big, big blonde girl.

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Nicole and on, Yes, from Morocco.

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Yes.

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And she had a had like a three year old. Yes, Yes,

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I know who you're talking about.

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I was so angry she had her child calling him daddy.

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Yea.

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Within like a month, what was.

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Her name, May? Her name was May, I think.

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Was the baby David child and like crazy, she is insane.

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She took her to Morocco. I couldn't believe it. Yeah,

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it was an insane story. That was. That's one of

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the most insane storylines. Because they went on ninety Day Fiance.

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They they went on to the next season after when

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they debuted. I don't know if they were on happily

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ever after her. I don't think so, but I could

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be wrong because it's it's hard to keep up. Yeah,

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but but yeah, and she would get mad at him

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for not wanting to like hold her hand out in public,

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and he would, you know, explain to her culture, Yeah,

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you know, we don't do that, we don't do that.

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She would blow off, Yes, but he would also say

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that she was fat yeah, and unhealthy, yeah, and he

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would just degrade her.

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I think it was too much of a cultural thing.

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Yeah, and they even taking the cultural thing out. She's

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absolutely psycho. Yeah, like.

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None of any of what you showed was a healthy

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relationship nothing, you know. And if if that, if I

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was that child's son or I'm sorry, that child's father,

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would I would take him to court, take her to court,

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and I'd be like, I would get a court order

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that she is not allowed to introduce my child to

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her boyfriend or whatever until whatever a year or whatever,

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because you're not gonna mess up my child's head because

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you're nuts, you know what I mean. Haven't calling him

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daddy that you He hadn't even ever met her. It

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was through FaceTime or whatever, Like her mom.

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Was trying to talk sense to her, and she would

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always say no, no, I love A loves me. We're

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gonna clearly didn't work out. Yeah, but oh my god,

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I know that was just terrible.

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Yeah, it really was.

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It made me so angry that I literally I think

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I went to look for on Instagram and like I

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was gonna like just blast her.

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I follow hersta she's like a she like does twitch

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like twitch streams. Yeah.

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Yeah, I was literally.

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Going to blast her, and then I'm like, wait a second,

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this was like four years ago, and watching it's.

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Still relevant kind of. I mean I think that if

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it's on the streaming service, it's still relevant.

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True, that's very true.

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But what were gonna say, I'm curious tour.

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Yeah, oh, I was gonna be like, you're legitimately an

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insane person and a horrible parent.

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You should lose custody of your child.

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That that child would literally be better growing up by

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a pack of wolves in the forestsh than you, because

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you are damaging that child with your disgusting selfishness.

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Anyway, that's all nic that.

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Just a little nice no, little nice comment. No like

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people do not. Allot of ninety funds fans do not

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like her. They don't. Yeah, I don't know if she's

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one of the most hated though. There's a lot of psychos.

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In there are.

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And here's the other thing, nobody knows somebody well enough

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in ninety days. I had red box movies out from

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the freaking red box longer than these people have known

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each other. And they're getting married, like.

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Some of them make it though there was. There's one

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couple named David and Nanny. They met and they met

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for like and he took a cruise to the dr

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where she was from. I think they hung out for

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two days and they got married. They got the ninety

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day visa, she came over. He had a son, and

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to this day, I believe that they're still together.

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Yeah.

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I mean, and I'm not saying it never works. I

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feel like.

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It's like rare, Like do you have some really like

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not even like point zero zero point five percent? Yeah,

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it is extremely rare, but it does happen.

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Yeah, And I feel like that's more. I don't know

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what I'm saying.

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There's a lot of there's a lot of names in

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ninety Day. Yeah, so it's like and I know all

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of them.

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I was putting it on when I was like when

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i'd be like cleaning my house or.

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Like folding laundry or something.

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Yeah, so I'd be like, here's something mindless, I don't

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have to watch, But then I would get sucked in.

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It's addicting, and then there's any day happily ever after

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ninety Day. The other way where they go to the countries,

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which is my favorite. It's my favorite.

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Okay, off to watch that.

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One ninety day. The other way, the Americans go to

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the countries. One woman goes to the India, one goes

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to the South care Ha, one goes to Ethiopia. In

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these culture shocks, It's so it's so interesting to watch

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for me because I'm watching it as you know, like

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the American like, oh my god, what would I do

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in a situation? What would I do if I had

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to go to India and see this or what? You know,

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would I do that? Or would I like what? So

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I think that their reactions, not all of the time,

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is how I react. I think that sometimes they're just

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they're not doing research. They're not doing research in the country,

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and it's like, I mean, if you would have done research,

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you would have known that this is what to expect.

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So for me, I would just do extra research and

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like just try to understand. But I feel like these

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people don't.

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Well, I feel like you're also smart enough to know

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that you wouldn't move to a country for somebody you

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barely know.

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Yeah you know what I mean? Yeah, Like that's.

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Just I think I gotta be talking to you for

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like three years and we have had to have met

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a couple of times to even get to that situation, right.

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Like that's insane, Like it's it's nuts.

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But a lot of them do do it because the

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woman is pregnant, right, which is worse in my opinion,

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because why are you taking your One of them was

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pregnant or had a baby. And she went to Ethiopia,

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and I'm like, Ethiopia of all places, and you're an American.

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And her father was a doctor and her mom was

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a nurse, and she wanted to have the baby in Ethiopia.

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I don't remember if she did, but it's just it's

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just crazy stuff. And she went to go to the

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to the birthing facility and she saw the conditions and

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they were not good in comparison to America, and it

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was just crazy.

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Yeah, I I don't get it.

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I feel like so many of those people are like

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need very intensive therapy because.

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But not but not too much, because I still want my.

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Drama, drama.

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Don't get too fits that you're you're right, all right,

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let's uh, we're gonna take a quick break.

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Okay.

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When we come back, we're gonna do the interview that

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I did with Ratman all about supercel on Netflix. We'll

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be back in sixty all right, thanks for hanging out

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with us. Thanks for rocking it through the commercial break

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with our sponsors that keep this show going. So, Amanda,

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I talked with Ratman, who is the genius, creator, writer, director,

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show runner of Supercel. Have you seen this? No, so

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it is blown up. It came out last week. I

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believe this is blown up on Netflix and it's number

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one on Netflix like around the world. Oh wow, yeah,

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and it is really good. So the log line is

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when five ordinary South Londoners discovered that they have ordinary powers,

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it's down to one man to bring them together to

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save the woman he loves.

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It is.

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Oh, it's a show.

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It's a show, yep it is what eight eight episodes.

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I believe each episode takes the point of view of

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one of the characters.

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Oh so it's like Bridgerton but with seasons.

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I've never seen that.

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Oh never one.

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My mom used to watch that.

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I don't watch that, So this is like anyway.

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Yeah, so so I don't know, but yeah, so it's

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cool that each episode, so it's actually.

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Six episodes it seems for season one.

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But each episode is a different point of view from

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one of the characters.

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That's interesting.

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Yeah.

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So anyway, let's jump right into my interview with Ratman.

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How are you man? Great to talk to you.

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Yeah, yeah, well, thank you for giving me your time, bro, Yeah,

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I'm goodem plain awesome.

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So, first of all, congratulations on super Sol. It is

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an incredible and its success is well deserved. I want

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to go back, if you don't mind, first, and then come.

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Back up to Supercell.

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You started in music and you were doing videos and

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that sort of thing. Why was it so important for

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you to have this visual element with your music.

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I think it's just my love of visual storyteller.

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Man, I'm a massive storyteller, a story just a storyteller

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fan and genuine life. Story is always like my biggest thing.

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But I never saw the videos, the music videos to

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the songs I wanted to hear, like give me the Loop,

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give me the Loot. I would die for that video

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from Biggie You never came Nah was dying love jay

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Z a week ago. All of the like all of

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the stories, videos and songs I love, they've had visuals.

468
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So I was kind of doing it for other people

469
00:22:48.279 --> 00:22:50.200
like me who never got the videos that they wanted.

470
00:22:50.279 --> 00:22:54.960
One Okay, I love that and from that you you you.

471
00:22:54.960 --> 00:22:59.119
Really became interested, you know, or really focused.

472
00:22:59.119 --> 00:23:02.799
I should say it is on on storytelling through a

473
00:23:02.880 --> 00:23:03.759
visual element.

474
00:23:03.839 --> 00:23:04.960
Is that accurate?

475
00:23:05.920 --> 00:23:06.200
Yeah?

476
00:23:06.359 --> 00:23:09.720
Yeah, like that kind of it kind of started realizing

477
00:23:09.799 --> 00:23:14.000
that's what came easiest to me, and that's that got

478
00:23:14.039 --> 00:23:16.559
the most reception. Because I was starting to release regular

479
00:23:16.640 --> 00:23:19.079
songs and they were doing well and they took me.

480
00:23:19.079 --> 00:23:21.160
They were harder for me to write. But when I

481
00:23:21.160 --> 00:23:24.799
went into my story bag, it's like it was easier.

482
00:23:25.119 --> 00:23:27.920
The reception came and I saw it just became my

483
00:23:28.039 --> 00:23:30.119
goal to and I was like, and I was kept

484
00:23:30.119 --> 00:23:30.359
at it.

485
00:23:31.240 --> 00:23:34.480
And who were some of your influences back then, both

486
00:23:34.599 --> 00:23:38.000
visually and musically musically?

487
00:23:38.039 --> 00:23:41.480
It was definitely two Pat Biggie Nas jay Z. That's

488
00:23:41.559 --> 00:23:45.599
that's the short story. Film wise, I loved I loved

489
00:23:45.640 --> 00:23:49.079
John Singer and I the Shoes Brothers.

490
00:23:50.200 --> 00:23:51.599
Those are the main two our store.

491
00:23:51.680 --> 00:23:53.640
But those are the like when I watched Minister Siety

492
00:23:53.640 --> 00:23:55.640
and Boys and with those days when I was younger.

493
00:23:56.160 --> 00:23:59.039
Those are like run that kind of like London.

494
00:23:58.720 --> 00:24:01.359
Like our part of London, and before the two movies,

495
00:24:01.440 --> 00:24:05.039
I never saw anything like the poverty area part of

496
00:24:05.079 --> 00:24:07.640
London that I lived on screen, so all the big

497
00:24:07.720 --> 00:24:11.240
John Singleton fan and and the Shues brothers.

498
00:24:11.160 --> 00:24:14.920
And so then you you caught the attention of jay

499
00:24:15.000 --> 00:24:16.079
Z of all people.

500
00:24:17.279 --> 00:24:21.880
Yeah, that's that was crazy. That was literally that came

501
00:24:21.960 --> 00:24:25.079
up as one of the these musical narrated shoots I

502
00:24:25.160 --> 00:24:27.359
was doing. It just went viral in the UK, and

503
00:24:27.400 --> 00:24:30.319
then it got to a person in the UK who's

504
00:24:30.440 --> 00:24:32.799
who was very close to jay Z, and jay Z

505
00:24:32.960 --> 00:24:35.720
quite sent to him and he was excited bout it.

506
00:24:35.799 --> 00:24:37.799
And then next and I know I was meeting him.

507
00:24:38.119 --> 00:24:42.839
So yeah, and you signed with rock Nation, Yeah, which

508
00:24:42.920 --> 00:24:46.519
is you know, incredible and uh and then you know

509
00:24:46.559 --> 00:24:49.319
you started to continued, I should say, to do projects

510
00:24:49.359 --> 00:24:52.440
which led us leads us to super Cell?

511
00:24:52.640 --> 00:24:54.240
What what?

512
00:24:54.559 --> 00:25:00.079
Why did you want to tell the story in Super Cell?

513
00:25:01.920 --> 00:25:03.319
I think the.

514
00:25:03.279 --> 00:25:07.480
Whole superheroes, superpower genres just in a general that I've

515
00:25:07.480 --> 00:25:11.160
always loved, but I've never really seen representation in it

516
00:25:11.359 --> 00:25:15.240
outside of Black Panther or Black Lading, basically outside of

517
00:25:15.279 --> 00:25:19.039
Marvel in DC. It was a genre that I don't

518
00:25:19.079 --> 00:25:21.960
feel like efning minorities in general had a lot of.

519
00:25:23.519 --> 00:25:26.640
Presencing. And also on top of that, I never.

520
00:25:26.519 --> 00:25:30.759
Believed the whole Get Powers, Get Cape, gets fandex. I

521
00:25:30.880 --> 00:25:33.200
never understood that because I wouldn't think to do that,

522
00:25:33.279 --> 00:25:35.359
and if I asked five of my friends, that wouldn't

523
00:25:35.359 --> 00:25:37.000
be there first of all. So I was like, imagine

524
00:25:37.039 --> 00:25:40.079
people from where we are from founding tool, like us

525
00:25:40.079 --> 00:25:42.200
get powers, what would re really do? And that would

526
00:25:42.240 --> 00:25:45.000
just be like the big conversation of fun and games.

527
00:25:45.039 --> 00:25:46.440
I was like, you know, this needs to be a show.

528
00:25:47.039 --> 00:25:49.079
And I suppose that's that's where it came from. You're

529
00:25:49.119 --> 00:25:52.160
just the curiosity of normal people getting these powers, normal

530
00:25:52.200 --> 00:25:55.039
people seeing the powers, and just seeing how they react

531
00:25:55.079 --> 00:25:55.720
to it.

532
00:25:55.720 --> 00:25:59.240
It's interesting that you say that because my godson, Aiden

533
00:25:59.559 --> 00:26:03.440
is black and white, and I took him to see

534
00:26:04.400 --> 00:26:09.359
Across the or Smiles Mouse, the Spider Verse movie, and

535
00:26:10.039 --> 00:26:14.519
you know, he was so hyped to see it, and

536
00:26:14.519 --> 00:26:16.440
and I didn't get it because of my ignorance. And

537
00:26:16.480 --> 00:26:19.119
I'm like, you know, I love I think he's awesome too,

538
00:26:19.160 --> 00:26:20.119
but like, why are you so.

539
00:26:21.880 --> 00:26:22.799
You know, like obsessed?

540
00:26:22.799 --> 00:26:26.759
And he was like, I've never seen a superhero that

541
00:26:26.880 --> 00:26:30.519
looked like me. And I was like, oh my god,

542
00:26:30.640 --> 00:26:33.480
you know, I mean that is like, holy crap.

543
00:26:33.400 --> 00:26:34.960
You know, in my own ignorance.

544
00:26:35.119 --> 00:26:38.359
I don't see that, and he he opened my eyes

545
00:26:38.400 --> 00:26:41.799
to that, you know, and it made me realize how

546
00:26:42.160 --> 00:26:47.839
powerful representation is and how representation matters. Because there's my

547
00:26:48.119 --> 00:26:51.680
little godson who was like that guy looks like me,

548
00:26:51.920 --> 00:26:54.559
you know, because he has the he has his own

549
00:26:54.599 --> 00:26:59.440
little fro and and he identifies with him.

550
00:27:00.079 --> 00:27:01.799
And that's so.

551
00:27:01.680 --> 00:27:06.119
Important, you know, It's so important in media.

552
00:27:06.319 --> 00:27:08.480
And so I love that for you. You know, you

553
00:27:08.519 --> 00:27:09.400
were like, well, I.

554
00:27:09.359 --> 00:27:12.839
Don't see what I don't see what I want to

555
00:27:12.880 --> 00:27:14.880
see on screen that represents me.

556
00:27:14.960 --> 00:27:15.839
So I'm going to make it.

557
00:27:16.720 --> 00:27:19.160
That's this year. I made this show. I made the

558
00:27:19.200 --> 00:27:21.799
show that I wanted to watch. That's literally I've done that.

559
00:27:22.599 --> 00:27:24.759
Everything in there is my taste first and hoping that

560
00:27:24.799 --> 00:27:25.680
everybody else lapsing.

561
00:27:25.720 --> 00:27:27.519
But that's literally the show I wanted to see on TV.

562
00:27:28.519 --> 00:27:31.039
And So where did this go for you?

563
00:27:31.319 --> 00:27:35.640
From kind of you know, idea in your head to Okay, yeah,

564
00:27:35.680 --> 00:27:38.359
this is going to be a project. This is going

565
00:27:38.440 --> 00:27:40.960
to be, you know, my next thing that I'm putting

566
00:27:40.960 --> 00:27:42.200
one hundred and ten percent into.

567
00:27:43.319 --> 00:27:46.319
It was kind of like I've just someone asked me

568
00:27:46.359 --> 00:27:48.440
about the idea before I knew I had the idea

569
00:27:48.519 --> 00:27:49.920
someone does say asked me and.

570
00:27:49.839 --> 00:27:51.039
Said, well, are you going to do next?

571
00:27:51.039 --> 00:27:53.359
This is when I was promoting my last project, and

572
00:27:53.400 --> 00:27:55.799
then the superstar idea that wasn't really it wasn't called

573
00:27:55.839 --> 00:27:57.920
super soll done, it was just normal people with powers

574
00:27:57.960 --> 00:27:59.079
came into my head.

575
00:27:59.400 --> 00:28:01.759
And I spoke out loud. But then I went on

576
00:28:01.799 --> 00:28:03.200
a meeting with Netflix and they.

577
00:28:03.119 --> 00:28:04.559
Asked me, what have you got? What do you want

578
00:28:04.559 --> 00:28:07.240
to do next? And I'm just stating. They're eating the

579
00:28:07.240 --> 00:28:09.519
free food that they brought me, and I came to

580
00:28:09.559 --> 00:28:12.799
my idea and I said, okay, anything else and I

581
00:28:12.839 --> 00:28:15.880
said no, I'm not really must have something. I was like, oh,

582
00:28:16.039 --> 00:28:17.519
I didn't know. It's what it told me. I suppose

583
00:28:17.599 --> 00:28:19.880
a general, So I said, hey, what is algrad there?

584
00:28:20.480 --> 00:28:24.039
Normal people like me with powers, no fan exlowcaps And

585
00:28:24.079 --> 00:28:26.400
they went quiet while I'm eating my food, and I

586
00:28:26.400 --> 00:28:29.359
looked up and it looked that looked like it excited

587
00:28:29.400 --> 00:28:32.839
them the way it excited my group of friends. And

588
00:28:32.880 --> 00:28:34.480
I was like, you know what, this is something I

589
00:28:34.519 --> 00:28:37.720
should work on. So in the lockdown. During the lockdown,

590
00:28:38.680 --> 00:28:40.519
I just really got to work on it. I just

591
00:28:40.559 --> 00:28:43.160
went to work in it and just just put it

592
00:28:43.200 --> 00:28:45.279
all together and then send it to Netflix and they

593
00:28:45.279 --> 00:28:45.960
wanted to make it.

594
00:28:46.519 --> 00:28:48.920
I love that. And how did you decide?

595
00:28:49.000 --> 00:28:51.839
Because I imagine it's got to be you know, if

596
00:28:51.880 --> 00:28:54.079
you get to create this universe.

597
00:28:53.599 --> 00:28:56.079
Of powers, and obviously there's there's.

598
00:28:55.799 --> 00:28:58.880
So many, you know, unlimited stories that you could tell

599
00:28:58.880 --> 00:29:04.960
and unlimited powers that you could you know, use, how

600
00:29:04.960 --> 00:29:08.079
did you kind of narrow it down to these particular

601
00:29:08.160 --> 00:29:11.519
people and and those particular powers.

602
00:29:13.160 --> 00:29:16.200
The people came first, and because I say it in

603
00:29:16.240 --> 00:29:18.759
a very specific part of London. I know, the London

604
00:29:18.799 --> 00:29:21.799
that the world and I was usually his key front

605
00:29:21.880 --> 00:29:24.920
kid is very you know, very different to the South London.

606
00:29:24.960 --> 00:29:27.759
South London is probably the most get old, poverty driven

607
00:29:27.799 --> 00:29:31.119
part of London. And in London, those five characters are

608
00:29:31.160 --> 00:29:35.319
based there representation not everybody, but a wild range of

609
00:29:35.440 --> 00:29:38.200
different people in London. A delivery guy who you know

610
00:29:38.680 --> 00:29:41.599
is out every day, the street kid who's still doing

611
00:29:41.640 --> 00:29:44.680
the gang staff for a dad who's trying to get

612
00:29:44.920 --> 00:29:47.759
his reformity back on trap by, you know, trying to

613
00:29:47.839 --> 00:29:50.079
get his future aig so you can see his child.

614
00:29:50.400 --> 00:29:52.960
Just basically, all these five people different parts of London.

615
00:29:53.000 --> 00:29:56.400
I wanted to show different parts of South London specifically.

616
00:29:56.640 --> 00:29:58.119
So once I got them done, the.

617
00:29:58.039 --> 00:29:59.920
Type of characters that apple were fine and I could

618
00:29:59.920 --> 00:30:03.319
be late to I then just started thinking, okay, what

619
00:30:03.400 --> 00:30:06.880
powers would these people have? And it didn't match the

620
00:30:06.880 --> 00:30:09.640
powers with the personality because I feel that personality gets

621
00:30:09.640 --> 00:30:12.960
done more and over the development stage. So when I realized,

622
00:30:12.960 --> 00:30:16.079
for example, our lead character Michael would have to save

623
00:30:16.480 --> 00:30:19.720
his woman by finding these groups of people, I said,

624
00:30:19.759 --> 00:30:21.880
if this guy hasn't got some sort of teleportation, we're

625
00:30:21.920 --> 00:30:24.119
gonna have a lot of things where he's driving. There's

626
00:30:24.119 --> 00:30:25.799
gonna be a lot of things with this guy driving

627
00:30:25.799 --> 00:30:27.960
to people. So I said, you know what, let's give

628
00:30:28.000 --> 00:30:29.559
him something swift where you can get.

629
00:30:29.400 --> 00:30:29.880
There and get this.

630
00:30:30.000 --> 00:30:32.480
We don't have to spend the story explaining how did

631
00:30:32.480 --> 00:30:33.920
he get there so far, because I don't like it

632
00:30:34.000 --> 00:30:36.359
when I see TV shows and the time jump for

633
00:30:36.440 --> 00:30:38.279
one minute they're there, then all of a sudden they're there.

634
00:30:38.559 --> 00:30:39.279
So we've done that.

635
00:30:39.400 --> 00:30:42.000
And then staying with the other character, our father who's

636
00:30:42.000 --> 00:30:45.920
trying to see some hasn't got any money, get super strength.

637
00:30:46.039 --> 00:30:47.000
What does that do for him?

638
00:30:47.000 --> 00:30:49.279
Absolutely nothing, unless you're going to do the whole criminal

639
00:30:49.319 --> 00:30:51.000
activity thing that got you in.

640
00:30:50.920 --> 00:30:52.160
This position in the first place.

641
00:30:52.440 --> 00:30:55.400
So basically the quite short and more put, the powers

642
00:30:55.400 --> 00:30:58.119
that would make it the most the biggest obstacle or

643
00:30:58.160 --> 00:31:00.799
the biggest you know, Drey and what would make the

644
00:31:00.799 --> 00:31:04.480
story more entertaining. But it turns things that FREDI s clean.

645
00:31:04.960 --> 00:31:08.039
The characters adapted the powers so well the cost it

646
00:31:08.079 --> 00:31:09.799
feels like it matches their personality.

647
00:31:09.839 --> 00:31:10.839
But it wasn't my intention.

648
00:31:11.359 --> 00:31:12.839
Okay, I love that.

649
00:31:13.559 --> 00:31:17.799
And uh and for Supercell, you know, it is a

650
00:31:18.279 --> 00:31:23.599
unabashedly black which I think is incredible in the fact

651
00:31:23.599 --> 00:31:29.680
that I'm trying to be uh spoiler free, but particularly

652
00:31:30.039 --> 00:31:35.960
with how they have their powers, you know. And uh,

653
00:31:36.000 --> 00:31:40.839
and I think that that is extremely smart. How you

654
00:31:41.400 --> 00:31:46.799
worked that, uh, work that into it? Did you as

655
00:31:46.839 --> 00:31:50.279
you're doing it? You know, as you're writing and developing

656
00:31:50.440 --> 00:31:54.759
the series? Uh, did you do those little I don't

657
00:31:54.759 --> 00:31:56.720
want to say easter eggs, but those little kind of

658
00:31:56.799 --> 00:32:01.079
things knowing that it was kind of a nod to

659
00:32:02.000 --> 00:32:04.519
that or was it kind of like just kind of

660
00:32:04.559 --> 00:32:07.000
happened as you were, you know, developing and writing.

661
00:32:08.000 --> 00:32:09.119
Now, when I.

662
00:32:09.200 --> 00:32:12.319
Decided I was going to do a superhero show, and

663
00:32:12.640 --> 00:32:14.640
I always like to know where the powers come from.

664
00:32:14.640 --> 00:32:16.759
When I watched superhero shows and the powers there's no

665
00:32:16.839 --> 00:32:17.759
explanations of powers.

666
00:32:17.799 --> 00:32:20.039
I always kind of get married, like my favorite one

667
00:32:20.079 --> 00:32:20.279
of my.

668
00:32:20.240 --> 00:32:22.880
Favorite show is Heroes, And to this day we know

669
00:32:23.400 --> 00:32:24.559
where the empowers came from.

670
00:32:24.759 --> 00:32:26.440
They were just powers, you know.

671
00:32:26.480 --> 00:32:28.160
And I still love the show, But I still I

672
00:32:28.160 --> 00:32:30.279
would love someone to give me that question. So when

673
00:32:30.319 --> 00:32:31.880
I was thinking I knew I was going to do

674
00:32:31.920 --> 00:32:33.799
an all black cars show, that was always going to

675
00:32:33.799 --> 00:32:37.279
be the case, I was just like, Okay, what can

676
00:32:37.319 --> 00:32:41.839
be their power? And you know, obviously we're reference reference

677
00:32:41.880 --> 00:32:43.200
into simple cell right now.

678
00:32:44.799 --> 00:32:47.400
It just it just makes so much sense. Man. It's

679
00:32:47.440 --> 00:32:49.319
a disease that predominantly.

680
00:32:49.400 --> 00:32:52.279
Hurts darker skin, you know, and if and I never

681
00:32:52.359 --> 00:32:54.640
understood that because skin color is just complexion.

682
00:32:54.720 --> 00:32:56.000
Man it's not. It doesn't.

683
00:32:56.039 --> 00:32:58.640
I don't understand why there is a disease that predominantly

684
00:32:59.240 --> 00:33:02.119
brings the darker skinned community done. So I think, you

685
00:33:02.119 --> 00:33:05.119
know what, if something can make us weak, let's do

686
00:33:05.200 --> 00:33:07.759
something to strengthen us, something to turn it on his

687
00:33:07.880 --> 00:33:10.960
head and make people living with it full seen. And

688
00:33:11.039 --> 00:33:12.720
on the top of that, let's raise awareness. Because you

689
00:33:12.759 --> 00:33:15.160
can walk into a room with ten people and ask

690
00:33:15.440 --> 00:33:17.119
what do you know about who you put your hand up,

691
00:33:17.119 --> 00:33:19.000
if you know how to sickle cell, if you have

692
00:33:19.079 --> 00:33:20.920
more than three hands up, you're in a really good room.

693
00:33:21.240 --> 00:33:22.640
Because no one really knows about it.

694
00:33:22.720 --> 00:33:26.000
So if you know, it's raised a lot of awareness

695
00:33:26.039 --> 00:33:28.240
and it's had a lot of people living with it

696
00:33:28.279 --> 00:33:31.359
full stein and feel heard. And I'm really happy about that.

697
00:33:31.599 --> 00:33:34.960
And you should be. It's an incredible thing for you.

698
00:33:35.119 --> 00:33:38.839
So currently it's number one on Netflix, which has got

699
00:33:38.880 --> 00:33:42.160
to be insane, and it's well deserved.

700
00:33:43.279 --> 00:33:45.039
What did you do when you got that news?

701
00:33:46.599 --> 00:33:48.680
It was crazy because I used to watch the trades

702
00:33:49.160 --> 00:33:51.119
I've been watching. I'll always read the trades. I'll be

703
00:33:51.200 --> 00:33:51.960
the trades every day.

704
00:33:52.240 --> 00:33:53.920
And I always used to see the list of top

705
00:33:53.920 --> 00:33:56.839
ten on Netflix, and I always pull that list was

706
00:33:57.000 --> 00:33:59.839
just the American list of the US, but it was

707
00:33:59.839 --> 00:34:03.079
it was okay, you could be number two in America,

708
00:34:03.240 --> 00:34:06.119
but number one in eighty five other countries, and they

709
00:34:06.400 --> 00:34:07.279
talented like that.

710
00:34:07.720 --> 00:34:10.760
So I remember calling Netflix, are we number one in America? Economics?

711
00:34:10.840 --> 00:34:12.559
I know we're number two, number one, yet number one

712
00:34:12.800 --> 00:34:14.719
number one? Still, like wraps, it doesn't matter if you're

713
00:34:14.800 --> 00:34:17.440
number one in one territory. Netfltak said, yes, US is

714
00:34:17.440 --> 00:34:20.639
the biggest territory, but it's about where you are globally,

715
00:34:20.679 --> 00:34:22.679
and I was like, okay. So then when I got

716
00:34:22.679 --> 00:34:25.599
the call, I got the call to say, look, we

717
00:34:25.679 --> 00:34:27.800
think you're going to be global number one this week,

718
00:34:27.480 --> 00:34:31.320
and that to me is crazy because Netflix is in

719
00:34:31.440 --> 00:34:35.000
every home. So if you're number one globally, the math

720
00:34:35.079 --> 00:34:38.079
eyes I've seen your work as a creator, that's just

721
00:34:38.159 --> 00:34:40.880
like it was just it was such a win man

722
00:34:40.920 --> 00:34:43.760
our text, all the cars and we all kind of just.

723
00:34:43.800 --> 00:34:46.079
Celebrated with emojis and happiness.

724
00:34:46.159 --> 00:34:48.960
Because you have to understand that we were a small

725
00:34:48.960 --> 00:34:50.519
show compared to all the big shows.

726
00:34:50.559 --> 00:34:52.519
We're not and we're a brand new show.

727
00:34:52.679 --> 00:34:54.519
And any one in the TV will tell you launching

728
00:34:54.519 --> 00:34:57.679
a brand new IP is very hard, especially if you

729
00:34:57.719 --> 00:35:01.000
haven't got non talent in not that it's hard. So

730
00:35:01.079 --> 00:35:04.840
the fact that we went with little promotion and became

731
00:35:04.920 --> 00:35:06.599
number one just not a word of mouth.

732
00:35:06.960 --> 00:35:08.920
It was really nice one really nice to them.

733
00:35:09.360 --> 00:35:12.360
And it's and it's a testament to your work and

734
00:35:12.400 --> 00:35:14.880
the work of you know, the entire casting crew, but

735
00:35:15.800 --> 00:35:17.679
ultimately your vision, you know what I mean.

736
00:35:17.800 --> 00:35:19.800
So that's that's huge.

737
00:35:21.800 --> 00:35:24.840
Of course, So I heard that you actually used a

738
00:35:24.880 --> 00:35:30.280
specific kind of camera that captures black skin more accurately.

739
00:35:30.440 --> 00:35:32.679
Is that writer, am I Nah.

740
00:35:32.599 --> 00:35:35.599
They got the artcle that first launched that they didn't

741
00:35:35.639 --> 00:35:38.519
have any bad attentions, They just miss heard.

742
00:35:38.599 --> 00:35:39.760
How we've explained it.

743
00:35:40.280 --> 00:35:42.360
At the time when we filmed the camera called the

744
00:35:42.400 --> 00:35:45.639
Iver thirty five great camera just launched. There was like

745
00:35:46.159 --> 00:35:48.760
maybe four of them in England at the time, and

746
00:35:48.960 --> 00:35:51.079
every production company I was about the film and wanted

747
00:35:51.079 --> 00:35:53.880
them and we needed them and we got them. The

748
00:35:53.960 --> 00:35:57.320
camera's amazing, but it wasn't just the camera. The camera's

749
00:35:57.320 --> 00:35:59.480
great and low last, so that helps obviously with darker

750
00:35:59.519 --> 00:36:03.239
skin tone, but we specifically went out the way to

751
00:36:03.360 --> 00:36:06.239
make sure all the dark skin was litting well. And

752
00:36:06.280 --> 00:36:09.199
I think the reason why it was it's not normally

753
00:36:09.280 --> 00:36:11.840
because if you took about your majority show just's I

754
00:36:11.920 --> 00:36:15.360
say stranger things for example, I'm not saying it's not

755
00:36:15.400 --> 00:36:17.559
little well, but because obviously the majority of casts is white,

756
00:36:17.599 --> 00:36:19.880
you get one black. If there's a seemable sixth of

757
00:36:19.920 --> 00:36:22.960
the heroes there, the light is going to favor the

758
00:36:23.039 --> 00:36:26.159
majority in the shot. So sometimes the darker skin tone

759
00:36:26.719 --> 00:36:29.320
kind of falls on the full flat because it's not

760
00:36:29.320 --> 00:36:31.679
the right lighting what weve done because we had a

761
00:36:31.719 --> 00:36:34.360
majority black cart. We brought on a makeup artist who's

762
00:36:34.400 --> 00:36:37.440
great at doing makeup for darker skin. We brought someone

763
00:36:37.480 --> 00:36:39.639
that knows how to light darker skin. We had this

764
00:36:39.760 --> 00:36:41.840
camera which is great in low light. But it was

765
00:36:41.840 --> 00:36:45.199
the marriage of all the things together, specifically owned to

766
00:36:45.280 --> 00:36:46.639
make black skin look.

767
00:36:46.599 --> 00:36:48.519
As beautiful as it is. And yeah, that was it.

768
00:36:48.599 --> 00:36:50.559
So it wasn't just one thing that's cool.

769
00:36:50.599 --> 00:36:52.760
And thank you for clarifying that, because that seems to

770
00:36:52.760 --> 00:36:53.840
be out there right now.

771
00:36:53.880 --> 00:37:00.599
So I was like, what's this magical camera? I don't

772
00:37:00.679 --> 00:37:02.199
know there.

773
00:37:03.519 --> 00:37:06.199
Uh where? Obviously this was season one.

774
00:37:07.119 --> 00:37:10.519
I had read somewhere that your plan is for a

775
00:37:10.599 --> 00:37:12.840
three season arc.

776
00:37:13.360 --> 00:37:15.960
Is that accurate? Is that still where you're what you're thinking?

777
00:37:16.000 --> 00:37:18.880
Now, I've got a minimum free story. You had a

778
00:37:19.000 --> 00:37:22.280
free story arc in my head. I know where it

779
00:37:22.280 --> 00:37:24.360
goes for free seasons. Not to say you couldn't go

780
00:37:24.440 --> 00:37:27.760
past it made sense. I've got free season story in

781
00:37:27.800 --> 00:37:30.800
my head. Yeah, that's how I've always told Netflix, I've got.

782
00:37:31.039 --> 00:37:33.800
Three seasons in me if you look, give me the

783
00:37:33.920 --> 00:37:35.480
seasons basically.

784
00:37:35.840 --> 00:37:40.880
And so now based on have you already worked, written

785
00:37:41.639 --> 00:37:45.239
or developed season two or are you starting to get

786
00:37:45.239 --> 00:37:45.960
into that now.

787
00:37:47.440 --> 00:37:47.960
We haven't.

788
00:37:48.000 --> 00:37:51.719
I haven't written an episode of it properly yet, but

789
00:37:51.840 --> 00:37:56.320
I've joined down the character arcs and things like that,

790
00:37:56.400 --> 00:37:57.119
and because.

791
00:37:56.880 --> 00:37:58.679
I know there was so it doesn't actually take me

792
00:37:58.719 --> 00:38:01.239
long to ride the episodes. It's just a way. If

793
00:38:01.239 --> 00:38:03.559
a Netflix suppresed that green button, man, that's.

794
00:38:03.760 --> 00:38:06.559
Ways it's coming for sure.

795
00:38:06.960 --> 00:38:09.039
And do you know?

796
00:38:09.159 --> 00:38:10.679
Do you uh?

797
00:38:10.719 --> 00:38:14.559
It's a streaming for for those that are watching or listening,

798
00:38:14.639 --> 00:38:17.599
is obviously a little bit different in the development process

799
00:38:17.719 --> 00:38:21.719
because typically if you've been green light for a greenlight

800
00:38:21.840 --> 00:38:24.920
for a season two, you're already you know, you know,

801
00:38:24.960 --> 00:38:27.639
you're working on it immediately, so it's out by September

802
00:38:27.760 --> 00:38:31.280
or whatever in the traditional model. With this, obviously, you know,

803
00:38:31.280 --> 00:38:34.880
with streaming, it's a little bit different, which gives you

804
00:38:34.880 --> 00:38:38.559
some time like are you do you look at feedback

805
00:38:38.559 --> 00:38:41.679
and you're like, huh, maybe I could you know, like

806
00:38:41.960 --> 00:38:43.960
or are you able to separate it and be like nope,

807
00:38:44.039 --> 00:38:45.559
I know what I want and that's whether it's going

808
00:38:45.599 --> 00:38:45.800
to be.

809
00:38:46.679 --> 00:38:50.159
It's funny because sometimes I'll get a message your d M.

810
00:38:50.320 --> 00:38:52.800
I'll see a tweet that's like, okay, that's pretty interesting

811
00:38:52.880 --> 00:38:55.880
and it's fun. But the minute you start actually going

812
00:38:55.920 --> 00:38:58.440
into it to write it, that's what falls out of

813
00:38:58.480 --> 00:39:02.119
your heads. Because there's so much vailables that the the

814
00:39:02.239 --> 00:39:04.800
viewer just doesn't know. But they don't know where how

815
00:39:04.800 --> 00:39:07.199
it's going to end. They don't know what that. There's

816
00:39:07.199 --> 00:39:09.000
so much they don't know, so you end up kind

817
00:39:09.000 --> 00:39:10.880
of I end up kind of shouting it out. But

818
00:39:11.000 --> 00:39:13.639
sometimes I see some great ideas. I think, oh, that's

819
00:39:13.639 --> 00:39:17.239
pretty interesting, that's pretty interesting. So I think when it

820
00:39:17.280 --> 00:39:20.119
comes down to it, some stuff does stay with you sublimately,

821
00:39:20.280 --> 00:39:22.199
so you might come out with amazing idea that you

822
00:39:22.239 --> 00:39:25.199
think he's your You don't know You've read this tweet somewhere.

823
00:39:25.280 --> 00:39:27.320
You don't know that, so you know what.

824
00:39:28.039 --> 00:39:31.039
I don't tend to pull up all the you know,

825
00:39:31.119 --> 00:39:33.599
all the comments and see what I can do. I

826
00:39:33.840 --> 00:39:35.840
kind of keep my vision clear.

827
00:39:36.679 --> 00:39:37.119
Awesome.

828
00:39:37.199 --> 00:39:40.440
Well, raps are rap Man, Thank you so much for

829
00:39:40.719 --> 00:39:44.840
speaking with me. I can't wait till until the next

830
00:39:44.840 --> 00:39:51.639
season and beyond of Supercell and and seriously and sincerely

831
00:39:51.719 --> 00:39:55.519
kudos to all of the the hype and and love

832
00:39:55.559 --> 00:39:58.039
that that the series is getting it so well deserved.

833
00:39:58.840 --> 00:40:00.519
Appreciate that mom, Thank you that much.

834
00:40:00.719 --> 00:40:05.440
Thank you man speak and sale. All right, our.

835
00:40:05.559 --> 00:40:11.400
Right, rapman Supercel is streaming exclusively on Netflix right now.

836
00:40:11.440 --> 00:40:13.639
Season one. He's awesome.

837
00:40:14.079 --> 00:40:15.599
Yeah, he's so cool.

838
00:40:15.800 --> 00:40:18.639
Yeah, he really is. Like I love how he's such

839
00:40:18.679 --> 00:40:22.039
a visual. He's such a storyteller, you know, like even

840
00:40:22.079 --> 00:40:24.840
with his music, as he was saying, it's not like

841
00:40:25.599 --> 00:40:28.440
about the hook or whatever or the beat, like it's

842
00:40:28.480 --> 00:40:29.119
the story.

843
00:40:29.280 --> 00:40:31.360
You can tell that. He really tries to go in

844
00:40:31.480 --> 00:40:33.119
depth of what he does exactly.

845
00:40:33.199 --> 00:40:33.440
Yep.

846
00:40:33.480 --> 00:40:36.159
And I think that's why Supercell works so well. So

847
00:40:36.320 --> 00:40:37.679
now you gotta watch it. It's really good.

848
00:40:37.719 --> 00:40:40.880
I will adding it, adding it to my never ending list.

849
00:40:40.760 --> 00:40:41.840
Add it to your list.

850
00:40:42.239 --> 00:40:43.920
All right, we're gonna take a break and then we're

851
00:40:43.920 --> 00:40:45.880
gonna get back to the feature. We're going to come

852
00:40:45.920 --> 00:40:51.199
back with the feature presentation, which is tickled because this

853
00:40:51.320 --> 00:40:53.320
is batshit insane, but we'll get to that. I can't

854
00:40:53.320 --> 00:40:55.679
wait to talk about it with Amanda. We'll be back

855
00:40:55.719 --> 00:41:00.440
in sixty all right, we are back. Thanks for hanging

856
00:41:00.480 --> 00:41:06.400
out with us. So I randomly was, you know, I

857
00:41:06.800 --> 00:41:10.199
have so much to do at my house because you know,

858
00:41:10.400 --> 00:41:12.000
I just bought it two years ago. It sounds like

859
00:41:12.039 --> 00:41:14.480
a long time, but I travel a lot, so I don't,

860
00:41:14.679 --> 00:41:16.159
you know, it's not like I'm there every day to

861
00:41:16.199 --> 00:41:17.119
be able to get stuff done.

862
00:41:17.280 --> 00:41:17.400
Right.

863
00:41:17.760 --> 00:41:20.280
Then, my you know, my mom had passed away a

864
00:41:20.320 --> 00:41:24.079
couple of years ago, and my dad recently sold my

865
00:41:24.199 --> 00:41:29.360
parents' house, so I took everything from there, and I'm

866
00:41:29.400 --> 00:41:32.159
going through it, you know, so I can done it. Yeah,

867
00:41:32.199 --> 00:41:33.880
so it looks like a hoarder's although it looks a

868
00:41:33.920 --> 00:41:37.079
lot better now than it did. But so I'm always

869
00:41:37.159 --> 00:41:42.159
throwing on something that like is interesting but won't distract

870
00:41:42.440 --> 00:41:44.159
distract me, so like I could just.

871
00:41:44.199 --> 00:41:45.559
Kind of listen to it or whatever.

872
00:41:45.760 --> 00:41:50.039
Yeah, So I randomly saw this tickled, this image on

873
00:41:50.559 --> 00:41:52.960
Netflix of like a feather, and it was like tickled,

874
00:41:52.960 --> 00:41:55.920
and I'm like what, And so then I click on

875
00:41:56.000 --> 00:41:58.199
it and I'm like, this sounds insane.

876
00:41:58.400 --> 00:41:59.559
I'm in right.

877
00:42:00.480 --> 00:42:05.440
So the log line is journalist David Farier stumbles upon

878
00:42:05.480 --> 00:42:09.559
a mysterious tickling competition online. As he delves deeper, he

879
00:42:09.639 --> 00:42:13.400
comes up against fierce resistance, but that doesn't stop him

880
00:42:13.440 --> 00:42:17.159
getting to the bottom of a story stranger than fiction.

881
00:42:17.360 --> 00:42:20.960
So I'm like, oh, okay, you know, like I said,

882
00:42:21.000 --> 00:42:25.159
weird I'm in, So I first of all, got nothing

883
00:42:25.239 --> 00:42:26.599
done with my room.

884
00:42:26.760 --> 00:42:27.599
I'm cracking up.

885
00:42:28.320 --> 00:42:33.719
I was glued to this. It is that shit insane.

886
00:42:34.679 --> 00:42:38.320
I then became like obsessed, where like I'm googling the

887
00:42:38.360 --> 00:42:41.599
people in it. I ended up finding out that there's

888
00:42:41.760 --> 00:42:46.280
a short follow up called The Tickle King, and this

889
00:42:46.519 --> 00:42:50.320
is just insane. So I texted you the very next

890
00:42:50.360 --> 00:42:52.800
day and I'm like, yo, I want to do the

891
00:42:53.280 --> 00:42:57.440
whole future presentation about Tickled, And you know, obviously you're like,

892
00:42:57.679 --> 00:42:59.159
I have no idea what I'm talking about. I'm like,

893
00:42:59.159 --> 00:43:01.880
you've got to watch this movie and you're like, okay,

894
00:43:02.679 --> 00:43:04.119
I guess, and then you did.

895
00:43:04.480 --> 00:43:07.719
I did. I I couldn't contain it because you were

896
00:43:07.800 --> 00:43:11.559
just you sounded so passionate over the over text, so

897
00:43:11.639 --> 00:43:14.559
I said, Okay, he's tweaking about this. I have to

898
00:43:14.559 --> 00:43:16.719
see right now. So I put it on while I

899
00:43:16.840 --> 00:43:20.960
was doing my work. Weird, Yeah, fel freaking weird.

900
00:43:21.400 --> 00:43:24.920
So overall, do you see why I was so passionate

901
00:43:24.920 --> 00:43:29.559
about it? Yes, isn't it like it's like a really

902
00:43:30.480 --> 00:43:33.920
good reality show, but not like a reality you know

903
00:43:33.960 --> 00:43:36.159
what I mean. It's obviously it's a documentary, but like

904
00:43:36.639 --> 00:43:40.400
the twists and turns and the craziness of it.

905
00:43:40.519 --> 00:43:41.880
Are we gonna do spoilers?

906
00:43:42.199 --> 00:43:45.400
No? No, come on, or okay.

907
00:43:45.119 --> 00:43:48.480
The twist is too huge to not talk about. How

908
00:43:48.480 --> 00:43:51.079
are we going to talk about the twist without spoiling it?

909
00:43:51.280 --> 00:43:53.239
This came out in twenty sixteen, so that was what

910
00:43:53.320 --> 00:43:54.000
eight years ago.

911
00:43:54.079 --> 00:43:56.000
People haven't watched it by now, it's their fault.

912
00:43:56.079 --> 00:43:57.599
Yeah, So all right.

913
00:44:00.480 --> 00:44:03.039
Tick a breather, yes, before we start to go in depth.

914
00:44:03.519 --> 00:44:06.840
So we I start watching this David Farrier, who's an

915
00:44:06.880 --> 00:44:10.440
incredible journalist, and I didn't actually even know until I

916
00:44:10.480 --> 00:44:13.400
watched this that he did Dark Tourists Too, which is

917
00:44:13.400 --> 00:44:15.599
a really cool documentary series on Netflix.

918
00:44:15.760 --> 00:44:19.199
Oh that after I finished Tickle, that popped up and

919
00:44:19.400 --> 00:44:21.800
I was really interested in that. That's from the same guy.

920
00:44:21.960 --> 00:44:25.639
Yes, oh okay, yeah, and that's such a good show.

921
00:44:25.679 --> 00:44:29.400
It's it's like weird historical stuff. It's it's awesome.

922
00:44:29.519 --> 00:44:31.440
Yeah, And I didn't realize it was the same guy

923
00:44:31.480 --> 00:44:35.280
until I watched this. David Farrier, you know, he is

924
00:44:35.280 --> 00:44:38.119
always doing these odd and kind of quirky stories. He

925
00:44:38.599 --> 00:44:43.320
somehow what somebody sends him or something a Tickle video

926
00:44:43.360 --> 00:44:43.760
and he's.

927
00:44:43.639 --> 00:44:44.039
Like, what's this.

928
00:44:44.360 --> 00:44:46.039
I think he stumbled upon it.

929
00:44:46.000 --> 00:44:49.360
Like just searching or something. Yeah, and he's like, this

930
00:44:49.519 --> 00:44:53.400
is kind of weird, you know. Then he begins researching

931
00:44:53.400 --> 00:44:55.480
on researching it because he wants to do a story

932
00:44:55.519 --> 00:44:59.440
on it. He notices that a lot of them, a

933
00:44:59.480 --> 00:45:01.679
lot of these videos, almost all of them, are coming

934
00:45:01.719 --> 00:45:05.880
from this Jane O'Brien Media. Yeah, all the casting calls,

935
00:45:06.440 --> 00:45:08.480
you know, all of it is coming from the same

936
00:45:08.599 --> 00:45:12.360
kind of company, which Jane O'Brien media, first of all,

937
00:45:12.440 --> 00:45:13.599
sounds like a fake name.

938
00:45:13.800 --> 00:45:16.280
It does. Jane O'Brien, right.

939
00:45:16.440 --> 00:45:19.880
Media, Could you be any more yite with this.

940
00:45:19.920 --> 00:45:20.880
Red flag number one?

941
00:45:21.000 --> 00:45:21.599
Yeah?

942
00:45:21.639 --> 00:45:25.960
And then weirdly enough, he reaches out that part's not weird.

943
00:45:26.000 --> 00:45:28.000
He reaches out to them to say, hey, you know,

944
00:45:28.320 --> 00:45:30.559
I thought this was like quirky and odd, let's do

945
00:45:30.760 --> 00:45:31.880
a story.

946
00:45:32.039 --> 00:45:33.239
I'm going to do a story on this.

947
00:45:33.320 --> 00:45:36.360
Can I talk to you. He didn't mean anything. He

948
00:45:36.440 --> 00:45:39.079
just thought it was like an odd, weird thing.

949
00:45:39.199 --> 00:45:42.400
He just wanted to do an interview. That's nothing, that's completely.

950
00:45:42.039 --> 00:45:45.000
Normal, right, And they respond.

951
00:45:45.400 --> 00:45:48.039
I was shook from that response.

952
00:45:48.079 --> 00:45:52.119
With this horrendous email, being like, we refuse to have

953
00:45:52.400 --> 00:45:55.679
interviews with homosexuals or something and like all and.

954
00:45:56.079 --> 00:45:58.760
Like like what like where does that even come from?

955
00:45:58.920 --> 00:46:02.880
It was very harsh, Yeah, so harsh and so aggressive.

956
00:46:02.920 --> 00:46:06.599
It's like what like that doesn't even he's not attacking.

957
00:46:06.719 --> 00:46:08.800
He's like literally like, hey, you know what you do

958
00:46:08.960 --> 00:46:11.400
was quirky. I'd love to do an interview with you

959
00:46:11.519 --> 00:46:15.400
about it. And they're like they respond with that, which

960
00:46:15.480 --> 00:46:18.280
is so wild to me because it's like the stuff

961
00:46:18.320 --> 00:46:20.079
you're doing is pretty gay.

962
00:46:20.440 --> 00:46:23.559
Yeah, he said that. Yeah, I found it hard to

963
00:46:23.559 --> 00:46:28.679
take that email seriously because it looked gay. It seemed gay. Yeah,

964
00:46:29.360 --> 00:46:33.519
and it's like it does videos that they put on

965
00:46:33.559 --> 00:46:36.840
the documentary they were being It was.

966
00:46:36.840 --> 00:46:42.760
Just yeah, I mean it's it's not like blatantly homosexual behavior,

967
00:46:43.119 --> 00:46:48.480
but it's pretty homoerotic. Like you have these young athletic

968
00:46:48.559 --> 00:46:51.719
guys that they literally seek out young athletic guys, Yeah,

969
00:46:51.760 --> 00:46:54.199
to like sit on each other and tie each other

970
00:46:54.239 --> 00:46:56.280
down and like tickle each other clothes.

971
00:46:56.559 --> 00:46:59.440
But I mean that's, you know, that's.

972
00:47:00.079 --> 00:47:04.079
With the way the world thinks nowadays, anyone's gonna assume

973
00:47:04.800 --> 00:47:08.400
that that is in some type of way gay, right,

974
00:47:08.960 --> 00:47:10.039
because it's lean.

975
00:47:10.920 --> 00:47:13.599
Yeah, I mean, it's it's you know, it doesn't make

976
00:47:13.880 --> 00:47:16.840
the people involve gay or whatever. But I mean it's

977
00:47:17.039 --> 00:47:22.480
pretty gay. My gay friends would be like, that's pretty gay,

978
00:47:22.679 --> 00:47:25.480
you know what I mean, Like I'm not calling them

979
00:47:25.599 --> 00:47:30.559
homosecutional course, but that behavior is sus.

980
00:47:32.639 --> 00:47:34.079
I mean it's pretty suss.

981
00:47:35.199 --> 00:47:38.679
Yes, I do agree, it is sus Yeah.

982
00:47:39.000 --> 00:47:41.880
So then you know, I guess we kind of have

983
00:47:41.960 --> 00:47:44.480
to go through some of this in detail in order to.

984
00:47:44.440 --> 00:47:45.599
Talk about it. We do.

985
00:47:46.039 --> 00:47:46.559
We do.

986
00:47:48.280 --> 00:47:52.000
So note to yourself, if you haven't seen this yet,

987
00:47:52.039 --> 00:47:54.559
maybe go watch it yet. It's on Netflix right now,

988
00:47:55.119 --> 00:47:57.840
and then come back and listen to this episode because

989
00:47:57.880 --> 00:48:01.199
there's there's really no way around this spoilers the spoilers,

990
00:48:01.320 --> 00:48:02.119
There really isn't.

991
00:48:02.760 --> 00:48:05.159
I promise you you want to.

992
00:48:05.119 --> 00:48:09.039
Watch this movie and the follow up, The Ticklekink.

993
00:48:09.559 --> 00:48:10.719
You need to watch.

994
00:48:10.760 --> 00:48:13.079
This movie will change your life, like it has changed mind,

995
00:48:13.079 --> 00:48:13.920
And I'm obsessed.

996
00:48:14.440 --> 00:48:16.719
I don't know why. I just think it's also weird.

997
00:48:16.599 --> 00:48:20.599
And crazy and unbelievable, but it was all true. It's

998
00:48:20.599 --> 00:48:23.920
all true, like it's nuts. So anyway, all right, back

999
00:48:23.960 --> 00:48:29.480
to us. So then David the journalist seems like, well

1000
00:48:29.519 --> 00:48:34.280
that's even more intriguing now that they've written this horrible email.

1001
00:48:33.920 --> 00:48:34.840
Blah blah blah.

1002
00:48:34.840 --> 00:48:38.119
So he calls a buddy and a television television producer, Dylan,

1003
00:48:38.559 --> 00:48:40.960
to kind of help him look further into it, right,

1004
00:48:41.239 --> 00:48:44.119
h What were you thinking at that point as you

1005
00:48:44.159 --> 00:48:44.679
were watching?

1006
00:48:45.360 --> 00:48:50.639
After I saw the email, I was immediately taken aback. Yeah,

1007
00:48:50.679 --> 00:48:53.519
because of how harsh it was. Yeah, And I probably

1008
00:48:53.519 --> 00:48:55.199
would have done the same thing as David.

1009
00:48:55.320 --> 00:48:55.880
Yeah.

1010
00:48:55.960 --> 00:48:58.519
I would have looked at this email and been like,

1011
00:48:59.199 --> 00:49:00.679
what in the world that I just get?

1012
00:49:00.840 --> 00:49:01.480
Yeah?

1013
00:49:01.519 --> 00:49:05.079
Why are they so defensive? Right off the bat? It

1014
00:49:05.159 --> 00:49:09.679
was such a defensive email, Yeah, that it's really hard

1015
00:49:10.360 --> 00:49:13.320
to not be more intrigued by it.

1016
00:49:13.480 --> 00:49:20.159
Exactly that you put it perfectly. It was so defensive, unnecessarily.

1017
00:49:19.400 --> 00:49:23.360
Unnecessarily like you could have just said no, thank you, Yeah,

1018
00:49:23.400 --> 00:49:25.079
no thanks, we're not interested.

1019
00:49:24.800 --> 00:49:29.360
Exactly like you went like, please look at us, we

1020
00:49:29.440 --> 00:49:32.000
have so much to hide. You went that route by

1021
00:49:32.079 --> 00:49:33.280
saying what you did?

1022
00:49:33.360 --> 00:49:34.400
You know what I mean, Like, I.

1023
00:49:34.400 --> 00:49:37.480
Don't understand why it was So you really just shot

1024
00:49:37.480 --> 00:49:39.119
yourself in the foot by sending that email.

1025
00:49:39.239 --> 00:49:40.519
Yeah. Yeah.

1026
00:49:40.559 --> 00:49:44.119
So then this man gets his buddy, a television producer hmm,

1027
00:49:44.320 --> 00:49:47.159
to start filming this stuff. So then they write some

1028
00:49:47.199 --> 00:49:50.280
blog posts and those go viral because that whole thing

1029
00:49:50.360 --> 00:49:50.719
was weird.

1030
00:49:50.800 --> 00:49:51.280
Well, first of.

1031
00:49:51.239 --> 00:49:54.760
All, when Dylan came on board, they were researching the

1032
00:49:54.840 --> 00:49:59.639
domain name oh remember, and they found three hundred domain

1033
00:49:59.719 --> 00:50:03.000
names that all related to tickling yep. So that was

1034
00:50:03.280 --> 00:50:07.320
another thing that fueled David Yeah to look into this, right,

1035
00:50:07.800 --> 00:50:10.360
which by this point I was completely in.

1036
00:50:10.559 --> 00:50:12.320
Yeah, that's when I got sucked.

1037
00:50:12.360 --> 00:50:15.000
There the three hundred domain names. I said, Okay, I

1038
00:50:15.039 --> 00:50:17.960
got a well, I was still working, Krista, I was

1039
00:50:18.000 --> 00:50:22.800
still working, I promise, but I was like, Okay, whoa,

1040
00:50:23.079 --> 00:50:24.320
that's a lot of domain names.

1041
00:50:24.360 --> 00:50:25.719
Yeah for under what?

1042
00:50:26.079 --> 00:50:27.960
Yeah, and all related to tickling?

1043
00:50:28.079 --> 00:50:30.400
Yeap? What the heck exactly?

1044
00:50:30.480 --> 00:50:34.440
Which is I'm we're not knocking your fetish. If that's

1045
00:50:34.480 --> 00:50:37.280
your thing, well, I'm kind of knocking. Well, I'm not

1046
00:50:37.360 --> 00:50:39.800
knocking your fetish. It's not hurting anybody, you know, as

1047
00:50:39.840 --> 00:50:44.280
long as everybody is participating, is uh willingly participating in

1048
00:50:44.320 --> 00:50:49.199
their adults and all that whatever, it's.

1049
00:50:50.719 --> 00:50:51.239
Unusual.

1050
00:50:51.280 --> 00:50:55.280
I don't think anybody would deny that a tickle fetish

1051
00:50:55.320 --> 00:50:55.880
is unusual.

1052
00:50:55.960 --> 00:50:58.320
I don't think anybody knows what that is exactly. I

1053
00:50:58.360 --> 00:51:01.159
didn't know what that was exactly until this Yeah.

1054
00:51:01.159 --> 00:51:03.760
When I read the thing and it was about competitive tickling,

1055
00:51:03.800 --> 00:51:06.960
I'm like, that's weird. I didn't even know that was

1056
00:51:07.159 --> 00:51:10.920
competitive tickling. Come to find out, I like what.

1057
00:51:11.400 --> 00:51:15.320
It's It's so funny though, the whole thing. Yeah, I'm

1058
00:51:15.360 --> 00:51:17.400
trying to contain my laughter in the mic, and I

1059
00:51:17.519 --> 00:51:18.159
just can't.

1060
00:51:20.000 --> 00:51:23.239
I mean, you know, there's a big world out there,

1061
00:51:23.239 --> 00:51:26.440
and I don't know everything or most of everything. So

1062
00:51:26.519 --> 00:51:28.800
I'm like, oh, there's like these I don't know if

1063
00:51:28.800 --> 00:51:32.199
it was Olympics, Like, I didn't know competitive tickling, you know,

1064
00:51:32.320 --> 00:51:36.960
I'm like, Okay, that sounds weird. I'm in like that

1065
00:51:37.079 --> 00:51:39.559
was weird enough, But then when I realized there was

1066
00:51:39.599 --> 00:51:44.079
a sexual like thing with it, I'm like even weirder.

1067
00:51:44.840 --> 00:51:46.440
Like I don't understand.

1068
00:51:46.000 --> 00:51:49.360
How people like that stuff, but I.

1069
00:51:49.320 --> 00:51:52.159
Don't even understand, Like I think at one point one

1070
00:51:52.199 --> 00:51:56.079
of them said, it's really about the power over the person,

1071
00:51:56.320 --> 00:51:59.159
like because you're tying them up and then you're tickling them,

1072
00:51:59.159 --> 00:52:02.039
and then it's up to you to decide when to stop.

1073
00:52:02.280 --> 00:52:04.800
So it's almost like a pleasant form of torture in

1074
00:52:04.840 --> 00:52:05.280
some ways.

1075
00:52:05.519 --> 00:52:07.559
Hm, I don't.

1076
00:52:07.320 --> 00:52:12.239
Even this is this tickle torture.

1077
00:52:12.920 --> 00:52:15.840
It's like so bizarre.

1078
00:52:16.880 --> 00:52:19.679
It's crazy. It's so bizarre, And I would die a

1079
00:52:19.679 --> 00:52:22.320
little bit every time they said the phrase tickle torture.

1080
00:52:22.519 --> 00:52:25.920
I know, like, don't say that phrase. It just grossed

1081
00:52:25.960 --> 00:52:26.480
me out.

1082
00:52:27.800 --> 00:52:31.239
And then the person's screen name was Terry Tickle.

1083
00:52:33.840 --> 00:52:34.920
I couldn't believe that.

1084
00:52:35.760 --> 00:52:38.000
Who does that Terry Tickle?

1085
00:52:38.519 --> 00:52:41.960
Like, obviously that's not a real name, Like it's it

1086
00:52:42.079 --> 00:52:44.800
sounds like a bad Batman villain.

1087
00:52:44.840 --> 00:52:50.960
It sounds like a character on Sesame Street, Terry Tickle, Like,

1088
00:52:51.199 --> 00:52:55.400
what the heck.

1089
00:52:54.800 --> 00:52:55.639
It really does?

1090
00:52:56.079 --> 00:53:00.760
That was a creepy muppet been like, my name's Erriticle.

1091
00:53:03.079 --> 00:53:04.599
Oh that was a guy that I was talking.

1092
00:53:06.320 --> 00:53:07.119
They laughed at.

1093
00:53:09.639 --> 00:53:10.079
My night?

1094
00:53:10.239 --> 00:53:11.920
Was theoretickled.

1095
00:53:13.280 --> 00:53:16.039
Something like something weird? You know what I mean? Anyway?

1096
00:53:16.880 --> 00:53:21.480
Yes, So, like you said, they've all of these domains

1097
00:53:21.559 --> 00:53:24.320
that are all Tickle related, hundreds and what over three

1098
00:53:24.400 --> 00:53:27.480
hundred of them? Three hundred Like what do you even

1099
00:53:27.679 --> 00:53:31.840
do with all those? Like the whole thing is so perplexing, right,

1100
00:53:32.320 --> 00:53:36.119
And similarly, like you said, I'm, you know, cleaning up

1101
00:53:36.119 --> 00:53:39.400
my room and then I'm like okay, And that's when

1102
00:53:39.480 --> 00:53:41.639
I didn't get anything done for the rest of the

1103
00:53:41.679 --> 00:53:44.840
evening because I was all in I had.

1104
00:53:45.000 --> 00:53:45.960
I could not keep my eyes.

1105
00:53:46.000 --> 00:53:48.480
I actually had to rewatch it because I was, like

1106
00:53:48.519 --> 00:53:50.920
I said, I was doing while I was working. Yeah,

1107
00:53:50.960 --> 00:53:53.960
and I was kind of listening to it and kind

1108
00:53:53.960 --> 00:53:56.679
of not and then once I clocked out, I was like, okay,

1109
00:53:56.719 --> 00:53:58.719
I'm locked in. Yeah, and I rewatched the whole thing,

1110
00:53:58.719 --> 00:53:59.559
so I've seen it twice.

1111
00:53:59.599 --> 00:53:59.840
Yeah.

1112
00:54:00.280 --> 00:54:02.639
And then wait, my sister came home from work and

1113
00:54:02.679 --> 00:54:04.679
I made her watch it, so I think that I've

1114
00:54:04.719 --> 00:54:10.360
watched it three times. Okay, we didn't finish it. We

1115
00:54:10.360 --> 00:54:12.880
got forty minutes in, but I didn't tell her anything.

1116
00:54:13.159 --> 00:54:14.519
So I told her. I said, hey, one of my

1117
00:54:14.519 --> 00:54:17.760
coworkers he texted me this film and it's called Tickled,

1118
00:54:17.760 --> 00:54:18.880
and I'm wanting you to watch it. And she's like

1119
00:54:18.920 --> 00:54:21.079
what it's about? And I was going to tell her.

1120
00:54:21.920 --> 00:54:24.519
I was going to tell her what it was about,

1121
00:54:25.000 --> 00:54:26.559
but then I thought about it and I was like,

1122
00:54:26.559 --> 00:54:29.000
you know what, I want you to go in here

1123
00:54:29.079 --> 00:54:35.599
completely blind. Yeah, and she was shook. I was getting

1124
00:54:35.679 --> 00:54:39.760
her raw reaction. I'd look over, mouth is open, mouth,

1125
00:54:39.840 --> 00:54:43.760
hand is over the mouth, eyes are bulged out. I'm like, yeah, yeah,

1126
00:54:43.920 --> 00:54:47.400
keep on watching, keep on watching. And it was like

1127
00:54:47.440 --> 00:54:49.480
eleven pm and we had to stop it because we

1128
00:54:49.519 --> 00:54:52.960
were so exhausting. Yeah, we're finishing it tonight. Oh good,

1129
00:54:53.840 --> 00:54:57.320
So I'm gonna watch Tickle It again the fourth time.

1130
00:54:58.639 --> 00:54:59.559
That's so funny.

1131
00:55:00.119 --> 00:55:00.320
Yeah.

1132
00:55:00.360 --> 00:55:03.639
So at that point for me, I was like, something

1133
00:55:03.920 --> 00:55:11.440
nefarious is going on, Like this isn't just some weirdo

1134
00:55:11.559 --> 00:55:15.400
company that's doing like some kind of sex thing something.

1135
00:55:16.199 --> 00:55:20.960
Something's wrong, you know, like really wrong. It's sus exactly,

1136
00:55:21.039 --> 00:55:24.800
it's very sus So they're researching.

1137
00:55:25.239 --> 00:55:25.599
Oh.

1138
00:55:25.719 --> 00:55:26.920
Then she starts harassing them.

1139
00:55:27.079 --> 00:55:31.440
Yeah, she's harassing them, and then sends to what he

1140
00:55:31.519 --> 00:55:36.199
thinks are lawyers, to representatives to New Zealand to meet

1141
00:55:36.239 --> 00:55:38.840
with him to stop him from doing three this.

1142
00:55:39.039 --> 00:55:41.639
Oh it was three Yeah. Oh yeah, I watched four times.

1143
00:55:42.920 --> 00:55:46.280
It was three to kind of stop them. The one

1144
00:55:46.320 --> 00:55:50.440
guy was super nice. I thought the guy with the

1145
00:55:50.480 --> 00:55:52.960
long gray hair was horrendous.

1146
00:55:53.239 --> 00:55:54.400
I couldn't believe it.

1147
00:55:54.679 --> 00:55:55.599
Yeah he was.

1148
00:55:55.639 --> 00:55:55.719
So.

1149
00:55:56.159 --> 00:55:58.280
He was also defensive. Yeah, I mean he shook his

1150
00:55:58.360 --> 00:56:00.000
hands and nice to meet you. And then thirty second

1151
00:56:00.119 --> 00:56:01.920
later it was I know what you think you're trying

1152
00:56:01.920 --> 00:56:04.039
to do here? Yeah, And I'm like, why is he

1153
00:56:05.320 --> 00:56:05.920
what the heck?

1154
00:56:06.000 --> 00:56:06.239
Yeah?

1155
00:56:06.239 --> 00:56:08.599
And David was explaining, you know New Zealand laws, we

1156
00:56:08.880 --> 00:56:11.920
are allowed to film in public. Yeah, Like, like I said,

1157
00:56:11.960 --> 00:56:14.840
you're not researching the country that you're going to.

1158
00:56:15.119 --> 00:56:16.320
Exactly, why are you getting.

1159
00:56:16.119 --> 00:56:17.440
So upset and then storming off?

1160
00:56:17.559 --> 00:56:20.840
Yes? Yeah, what do you have to hide? Exactly?

1161
00:56:20.920 --> 00:56:22.480
And why did you come all the way out there

1162
00:56:22.639 --> 00:56:25.159
just to to start off on a bad foot with

1163
00:56:25.199 --> 00:56:26.280
this guy exactly?

1164
00:56:26.280 --> 00:56:26.880
You know what I mean?

1165
00:56:27.400 --> 00:56:32.159
And because David was very respectful, he was extremely Yeah.

1166
00:56:31.599 --> 00:56:32.679
Like he was way nice.

1167
00:56:33.119 --> 00:56:35.800
I thought to myself when that guy said I know

1168
00:56:35.840 --> 00:56:38.599
what you think you're trying to do or whatever, I

1169
00:56:38.639 --> 00:56:40.280
in my head I had like a whole argument with

1170
00:56:40.360 --> 00:56:43.320
the guy like that as I was David, and I'm like, no,

1171
00:56:43.519 --> 00:56:47.320
mother clucker, here's what I am doing. I know what

1172
00:56:47.400 --> 00:56:50.800
you think you're doing, coming here to try to convince

1173
00:56:50.800 --> 00:56:53.119
me to not do it. But guess what, bud talk

1174
00:56:53.239 --> 00:56:55.840
is over. Hope you enjoyed your flight, see you later

1175
00:56:55.960 --> 00:56:57.719
or you know what I mean? Yeah, no, bitch.

1176
00:56:57.840 --> 00:57:00.920
But maybe David didn't want to get off wrong. He

1177
00:57:00.960 --> 00:57:03.880
didn't because obviously they're going to talk again. Yeah, so

1178
00:57:04.119 --> 00:57:06.840
they're not going anywhere in this initial meeting.

1179
00:57:06.920 --> 00:57:10.480
Yeah, So yeah, he was very he's very professional.

1180
00:57:10.800 --> 00:57:15.480
I gotta commend him because I got to commend David

1181
00:57:15.519 --> 00:57:18.800
because you know, maybe it's that New Zealand thing. Yeah,

1182
00:57:18.920 --> 00:57:21.159
because Americans.

1183
00:57:20.920 --> 00:57:22.920
Yeah, we would have been like like exactly like what

1184
00:57:22.960 --> 00:57:24.840
I say, you know what I mean? Uh yeah, And

1185
00:57:24.880 --> 00:57:27.599
he was so and he was very like never got

1186
00:57:27.639 --> 00:57:32.880
angry with him, never like never, you know, never misspoke,

1187
00:57:32.960 --> 00:57:34.840
he was, but still gave the facts. He was like,

1188
00:57:34.880 --> 00:57:37.599
you know, I understand, but you know, in New Zealand,

1189
00:57:37.760 --> 00:57:39.400
we're not doing you know, this is the law and

1190
00:57:39.440 --> 00:57:41.800
we're allowed to blah blah blah, and so anyway blah.

1191
00:57:41.800 --> 00:57:46.800
Like he was very nice and and yeah, and I'm like, wow,

1192
00:57:47.280 --> 00:57:48.639
you know, but I guess that's why he has a

1193
00:57:48.920 --> 00:57:51.320
movie out and I don't because I would have, you know,

1194
00:57:51.679 --> 00:57:52.440
fought with the guy.

1195
00:57:52.760 --> 00:57:53.280
Yeah.

1196
00:57:53.320 --> 00:57:56.320
So then they do that and they don't want you know,

1197
00:57:56.400 --> 00:57:58.039
the next day or whatever. They don't want the cameras

1198
00:57:58.119 --> 00:58:00.239
rolling in the meeting, but it sounds like they have

1199
00:58:00.320 --> 00:58:05.880
audio recording anyway. They do, and they're basically telling him

1200
00:58:05.960 --> 00:58:10.280
you should be scared if you continue on this path,

1201
00:58:10.880 --> 00:58:13.199
you know what I mean? Would you agree, Like that's

1202
00:58:13.239 --> 00:58:14.280
kind of what they implied.

1203
00:58:14.400 --> 00:58:16.440
That is what they implied, and I just feel like

1204
00:58:17.119 --> 00:58:21.559
it was so weird because why is it such a

1205
00:58:21.599 --> 00:58:24.599
big deal? Right now? All David did was ask a question,

1206
00:58:24.679 --> 00:58:29.559
can I do an interview? And then harassment followed after, yeah, immediately.

1207
00:58:29.000 --> 00:58:31.400
After Yeah, and he was getting all kinds of emails,

1208
00:58:31.440 --> 00:58:34.519
like multiple emails all the time from this Jane O'Brien

1209
00:58:34.599 --> 00:58:36.039
media and by.

1210
00:58:36.159 --> 00:58:40.159
Debbie Koon right, yes, and he asked them have you

1211
00:58:40.199 --> 00:58:44.679
ever met her or Jane? And they all said no, right.

1212
00:58:44.800 --> 00:58:48.039
Which is also weird, really freaking weird.

1213
00:58:48.239 --> 00:58:51.079
And when he asked, does that concern you guys, they

1214
00:58:51.119 --> 00:58:54.480
were like absolutely not, absolutely not, as if they're putting

1215
00:58:54.480 --> 00:58:57.840
their whole entire like faith in these people.

1216
00:58:57.559 --> 00:58:59.880
That you've never met, you've never seen before.

1217
00:58:59.599 --> 00:59:04.760
That you literally flew across the world four and haven't

1218
00:59:04.800 --> 00:59:09.199
met them, Like that's insanity. Yeah, the whole thing is

1219
00:59:09.239 --> 00:59:12.440
so weird. And then of course they basically you know,

1220
00:59:12.519 --> 00:59:13.159
bully him.

1221
00:59:14.079 --> 00:59:16.599
They had that coffee and the camera in the coffee cup.

1222
00:59:16.679 --> 00:59:18.280
Oh yeah, that was smart.

1223
00:59:18.400 --> 00:59:21.079
Yes, it was David points. Yeah he got points for that.

1224
00:59:21.239 --> 00:59:24.440
Yeah, he's awesome. And then they were then even more

1225
00:59:24.559 --> 00:59:27.039
you know, David and Dylan were even more intrigued because

1226
00:59:27.039 --> 00:59:30.880
they're like, yeah, what is going on? So they basically

1227
00:59:31.079 --> 00:59:36.440
follow them back to La Yeah, and find you know,

1228
00:59:36.719 --> 00:59:40.199
obviously through their research, but they find a casting call

1229
00:59:40.800 --> 00:59:43.239
and kind of stake it out to see what's going on,

1230
00:59:44.320 --> 00:59:47.280
which who's at the casting call. But that one weird

1231
00:59:47.400 --> 00:59:49.960
guy that wasn't like the two adults who was like

1232
00:59:49.960 --> 00:59:51.320
the younger one that it.

1233
00:59:51.320 --> 00:59:53.800
Was like, are you care failed me? You know what

1234
00:59:53.800 --> 00:59:54.519
I'm talking about?

1235
00:59:54.800 --> 00:59:59.000
He was there and the gray haired man yep, and

1236
00:59:59.079 --> 01:00:00.840
they were filming sus.

1237
01:00:01.159 --> 01:00:04.920
Yeah, he said that you can hear laughter through the events. Yeah,

1238
01:00:04.960 --> 01:00:08.840
Oh my god. That's creepy number one, creepy number two.

1239
01:00:09.079 --> 01:00:13.639
I would feel like I am invading privacy honestly, Like

1240
01:00:13.719 --> 01:00:15.760
it seems so intimate.

1241
01:00:15.559 --> 01:00:15.880
I know.

1242
01:00:17.000 --> 01:00:21.000
And yeah, the whole thing is so weird. And these guys,

1243
01:00:21.639 --> 01:00:23.800
you know, some of them. Here's the other thing. Some

1244
01:00:23.840 --> 01:00:27.360
of them were underage, which I didn't understand because they

1245
01:00:27.440 --> 01:00:32.360
were Yeah. Remember the one guy, the MMA.

1246
01:00:32.119 --> 01:00:34.559
Fighter guy, Oh, he was, Yes.

1247
01:00:34.440 --> 01:00:37.960
He was saying that a guy that he had recruited

1248
01:00:38.119 --> 01:00:40.960
was under age. And then his family got you know, notified,

1249
01:00:40.960 --> 01:00:45.679
and they were I guess because it's not blatantly pornographic

1250
01:00:45.760 --> 01:00:49.239
that it's Okay, yeah, but that is horrible.

1251
01:00:49.320 --> 01:00:51.719
Well, those were never supposed to go out anyway, because

1252
01:00:51.760 --> 01:00:53.519
those are the auditioning tastes.

1253
01:00:53.320 --> 01:00:57.800
Right, which is also sus like, oh yeah, yeah.

1254
01:00:57.639 --> 01:01:00.800
They had to do three levels of audition. They had

1255
01:01:00.800 --> 01:01:05.199
to do the initial one tickle test. Yeah, I hate

1256
01:01:05.239 --> 01:01:10.440
saying that, man, hold on the I hate it.

1257
01:01:10.519 --> 01:01:13.239
Oh yeah, it gives you me creus to say.

1258
01:01:13.119 --> 01:01:16.800
That the tickle test number one was just like regular tickling,

1259
01:01:16.840 --> 01:01:20.320
and then they tied them down for tickle test too,

1260
01:01:21.159 --> 01:01:26.199
and then for tickle Test three they like went all in. Yeah,

1261
01:01:26.400 --> 01:01:30.559
it's just like there's steps for this. Yeah, this is chaotic.

1262
01:01:30.199 --> 01:01:33.719
It is insane. I can't even believe we're talking about that.

1263
01:01:33.880 --> 01:01:38.679
I can because it's just I don't know, it's tickle tickling.

1264
01:01:38.800 --> 01:01:43.920
Man, It's just like it's so weird and wild and yeah.

1265
01:01:43.960 --> 01:01:48.239
So then so in the story, they figure out this

1266
01:01:48.360 --> 01:01:54.800
person known as Terry DeSisto, whose alias was Terry Tickle.

1267
01:01:55.960 --> 01:01:56.280
Stop.

1268
01:01:56.440 --> 01:01:58.079
Oh my god, I'm getting.

1269
01:01:57.880 --> 01:02:00.280
You're gonna hear that, like you're gonna like lay down tonight.

1270
01:02:00.320 --> 01:02:03.159
And then you're like you're gonna like hear a faint whisper.

1271
01:02:03.159 --> 01:02:03.800
It's gonna be like.

1272
01:02:04.519 --> 01:02:06.760
Harry and then I'm gonna throw a hand.

1273
01:02:08.719 --> 01:02:10.360
And then nobody's there.

1274
01:02:10.760 --> 01:02:13.360
Oh but yeah, but I'm sure Terry Tickle would wait

1275
01:02:13.719 --> 01:02:17.239
Tickle Terry is Terry Tile, Like, oh, I just don't

1276
01:02:17.239 --> 01:02:18.800
want to talk about that.

1277
01:02:19.119 --> 01:02:20.320
He's gonna haunt our dreams.

1278
01:02:20.360 --> 01:02:21.039
Oh my god.

1279
01:02:21.639 --> 01:02:25.039
They so so they find out about this Terry DeSisto

1280
01:02:25.159 --> 01:02:28.440
is behind all this, and that person had been distributing

1281
01:02:28.480 --> 01:02:32.199
tickle videos online like literally since the early nineties. And

1282
01:02:32.239 --> 01:02:35.960
then David and Dylan go and talk to this independent

1283
01:02:36.000 --> 01:02:39.960
tickling video producer who that guy seemed besides the whole

1284
01:02:39.960 --> 01:02:41.679
tickling thing, relatively normal.

1285
01:02:41.760 --> 01:02:43.239
He did seem normal, you know what I mean, and

1286
01:02:43.320 --> 01:02:46.800
didn't get any weird vibe exactly until he said he was.

1287
01:02:47.920 --> 01:02:49.880
And even then I was just like, first of.

1288
01:02:49.840 --> 01:02:52.400
All, the slow moe zooming of his face as he's sick.

1289
01:02:53.880 --> 01:02:56.159
That sent me over the edge.

1290
01:02:57.000 --> 01:02:59.960
That was unnecessary. He was creepy.

1291
01:03:00.400 --> 01:03:02.960
And the music, but I know the music, I'm.

1292
01:03:02.800 --> 01:03:03.639
Like, what is this?

1293
01:03:04.199 --> 01:03:07.639
But he until that, like you said, until that part,

1294
01:03:08.199 --> 01:03:09.960
I was like, Oh, this guy's normal. He just like

1295
01:03:10.079 --> 01:03:12.920
runs basically an adult like fetish site.

1296
01:03:13.000 --> 01:03:14.960
Yeah, And then they started.

1297
01:03:14.599 --> 01:03:17.480
Doing the tickling and that guy that the guy they

1298
01:03:17.519 --> 01:03:19.639
were tickling. He's like, hey, bro, what's up.

1299
01:03:19.960 --> 01:03:22.320
Like, yeah, I thought it was weird first, but like,

1300
01:03:22.599 --> 01:03:24.559
you know, who knows a little good tickle or something.

1301
01:03:24.599 --> 01:03:27.280
I'm like he was like, I'm the risk taker. My

1302
01:03:27.320 --> 01:03:28.039
sister was like for.

1303
01:03:28.159 --> 01:03:34.760
Tickling, yeah, you're such a bad boy, Like what it is?

1304
01:03:35.000 --> 01:03:35.960
It's their own.

1305
01:03:36.199 --> 01:03:38.880
Yeah, And I think I don't think that guy did

1306
01:03:38.920 --> 01:03:42.400
it for pleasure. The guy that was getting tickled, Yeah,

1307
01:03:42.400 --> 01:03:45.119
I think he just wanted the money and was like whatever. Yeah,

1308
01:03:45.159 --> 01:03:48.079
like you know, and they make a few thousand dollars

1309
01:03:48.079 --> 01:03:48.960
like a pop.

1310
01:03:49.159 --> 01:03:51.280
No, that that's some good money. Not gonna lie.

1311
01:03:51.360 --> 01:03:52.599
Yeah, I mean, you.

1312
01:03:52.559 --> 01:03:56.280
Know, terry tickle if you around there, I don't mind

1313
01:03:56.320 --> 01:03:58.119
getting pickled for a few thousands, you know.

1314
01:03:59.159 --> 01:03:59.679
Make the cut.

1315
01:04:01.239 --> 01:04:04.400
But uh but yeah, so, oh god, I hope I

1316
01:04:04.440 --> 01:04:08.679
don't get weird emails now and like, yeah, send us

1317
01:04:08.719 --> 01:04:10.719
feet picks already, get that now.

1318
01:04:10.719 --> 01:04:11.639
I don't want this weird.

1319
01:04:11.719 --> 01:04:14.440
I swear to go, oh my god, it suchs weird

1320
01:04:14.880 --> 01:04:16.400
DM sometimes Jesus.

1321
01:04:17.079 --> 01:04:17.800
Yeah.

1322
01:04:17.840 --> 01:04:18.159
But uh.

1323
01:04:18.199 --> 01:04:23.119
Anyway, so they interviewed this guy and comparatively he's like, oh,

1324
01:04:23.159 --> 01:04:25.559
I know who that is first of all, and like, yeah,

1325
01:04:25.599 --> 01:04:27.280
they've been doing this forever and then.

1326
01:04:27.360 --> 01:04:29.280
Yeah I do this and blah blah blah. Like he

1327
01:04:29.440 --> 01:04:29.679
it was.

1328
01:04:29.800 --> 01:04:32.559
It felt like a business, like a weird business, but

1329
01:04:32.639 --> 01:04:38.159
a business comparatively compared to the Jane O'Brien media, which

1330
01:04:38.199 --> 01:04:41.800
felt like a weird, creepy crime syndicate, you know what

1331
01:04:41.840 --> 01:04:43.599
I mean, which, yeah, it kind of was.

1332
01:04:43.719 --> 01:04:47.079
Those Tickle sessions were I don't know that those were

1333
01:04:47.199 --> 01:04:48.760
just very eerie in my opinion.

1334
01:04:48.840 --> 01:04:49.079
Yeah.

1335
01:04:49.239 --> 01:04:51.800
Look the location that these are being filmed at. Yeah,

1336
01:04:51.840 --> 01:04:57.199
like it looks like abandoned type building. Yeah, like apocalyptic vibe, right,

1337
01:04:57.559 --> 01:05:01.960
and it's very secluded. Number one, you know, it looks

1338
01:05:02.079 --> 01:05:05.239
old as I don't know what. Number two, Number three,

1339
01:05:05.280 --> 01:05:08.679
it's just a bunch of random guys. Yeah, that are

1340
01:05:08.920 --> 01:05:12.559
all in the same age range, and it's just getting

1341
01:05:12.599 --> 01:05:14.880
tied down and going to tickle Town.

1342
01:05:15.039 --> 01:05:18.880
Yeah, they're on the train to tickle Town.

1343
01:05:19.280 --> 01:05:22.960
They're on the tickle train to tickle Town. Oh my god. Oh.

1344
01:05:23.000 --> 01:05:25.000
And then they interviewed that one group of guys like

1345
01:05:25.079 --> 01:05:26.880
before it got crazy, TJ.

1346
01:05:27.440 --> 01:05:30.800
Remember TJ, the one that talked about the site that

1347
01:05:30.880 --> 01:05:31.440
was put up.

1348
01:05:31.519 --> 01:05:33.880
Oh yeah yeah yeah yeah, I felt.

1349
01:05:34.039 --> 01:05:37.599
So terrible yeah him. Yeah, And that ended up being

1350
01:05:37.599 --> 01:05:41.599
the three hundred domain sites that Dylan found in the

1351
01:05:41.599 --> 01:05:44.599
beginning of the documentary. I could not believe it.

1352
01:05:44.800 --> 01:05:46.920
Yeah, and he was he was the one that was

1353
01:05:46.920 --> 01:05:50.079
like recruited to wait, wait, wait, which one was TJ?

1354
01:05:50.119 --> 01:05:51.000
Now I'm getting confused.

1355
01:05:51.000 --> 01:05:53.599
TJ was the one the very beginning where he was

1356
01:05:53.639 --> 01:05:55.960
the old player. He's a football player.

1357
01:05:56.079 --> 01:05:59.079
Oh where they're interviewing at the gym yea yeah yeah yeah,

1358
01:05:59.360 --> 01:06:00.559
that was insane.

1359
01:06:00.880 --> 01:06:03.960
Yeah, and you know what, I think he got off

1360
01:06:03.960 --> 01:06:05.079
for two thousand dollars.

1361
01:06:05.239 --> 01:06:05.440
Yeah.

1362
01:06:05.840 --> 01:06:09.000
And Kevin one of the guys that met David and

1363
01:06:09.320 --> 01:06:11.679
New Zealand, he said that Kevin told him that it

1364
01:06:11.760 --> 01:06:14.840
was a tickle torture project for the military, right, And

1365
01:06:14.880 --> 01:06:18.199
he was like that is complete made up. Yeah, I

1366
01:06:18.239 --> 01:06:22.239
think that's complete cap Like, ain't no way. He was like, yeah, yeah,

1367
01:06:22.239 --> 01:06:24.800
they're gonna use tiggling as a torture in a military

1368
01:06:25.239 --> 01:06:26.639
US military.

1369
01:06:26.280 --> 01:06:29.639
Right exactly, and video it, you know what I mean,

1370
01:06:29.880 --> 01:06:32.840
and like, you know, have these random weirdos in there, like.

1371
01:06:33.079 --> 01:06:37.480
And he found he found his tape on YouTube and

1372
01:06:37.519 --> 01:06:41.440
he emailed Jane O'Bryant and he didn't get the respond.

1373
01:06:41.119 --> 01:06:45.840
They destroyed his life, completely destroyed his life, harassed him,

1374
01:06:46.239 --> 01:06:49.760
sent his videos to his employers he was a football coach,

1375
01:06:50.239 --> 01:06:53.039
sent it to his school that he was coaching.

1376
01:06:52.679 --> 01:06:55.280
At, like completely destroyed his life.

1377
01:06:56.000 --> 01:07:00.400
Also way overly aggressive, just like what they did what

1378
01:07:00.480 --> 01:07:02.039
they started with David.

1379
01:07:02.159 --> 01:07:04.000
They were making up rumors. They said that he was

1380
01:07:04.039 --> 01:07:07.960
a child molester, right, he was a drug addict. Yeah,

1381
01:07:08.079 --> 01:07:12.079
I mean this guy got raked through the mud. Yeah,

1382
01:07:12.199 --> 01:07:14.320
over this whole entire And then they made that website,

1383
01:07:14.360 --> 01:07:16.280
and not only that, but they put all of his

1384
01:07:16.360 --> 01:07:17.960
personal information.

1385
01:07:17.679 --> 01:07:21.800
On a stress his phone numbers, his family, everything, like

1386
01:07:22.239 --> 01:07:30.159
completely horrendously disgusting, ununbelievable, horrendously And what they were finding

1387
01:07:30.280 --> 01:07:33.519
was anybody who questioned what was happening is what this

1388
01:07:33.679 --> 01:07:37.599
Jane O'Brien media was doing to the guys who would

1389
01:07:37.639 --> 01:07:40.280
be like, hey is this legit? Or hey I thought

1390
01:07:40.320 --> 01:07:42.960
that video wasn't supposed to be online, that they would

1391
01:07:43.000 --> 01:07:43.880
make audition.

1392
01:07:43.800 --> 01:07:45.480
Our website about that guy.

1393
01:07:45.320 --> 01:07:46.280
In their own name.

1394
01:07:46.440 --> 01:07:49.039
So it would be like having Kyle McMahon dot com

1395
01:07:49.480 --> 01:07:52.480
and somebody putting up all my information these tickle videos

1396
01:07:52.480 --> 01:07:55.559
that I thought were private, were never supposed to go anywhere,

1397
01:07:55.920 --> 01:08:00.360
and basically destroying my life. If I questioned why this

1398
01:08:00.480 --> 01:08:03.199
video that was supposed to be private or if you stopped.

1399
01:08:03.280 --> 01:08:08.760
Yeah, that's blackmail exactly. It's it's horrendous sick.

1400
01:08:09.119 --> 01:08:12.920
And then when they interviewed that one group of guys together,

1401
01:08:13.039 --> 01:08:14.320
there were like four or five of them. They looked

1402
01:08:14.360 --> 01:08:16.239
like they were on a soccer team or something. I

1403
01:08:16.359 --> 01:08:18.159
was like, I think that was towards the beginning, and

1404
01:08:18.159 --> 01:08:20.239
I was like, oh, this is like and then when

1405
01:08:20.279 --> 01:08:23.600
they started like doing I was like, uh oh, I

1406
01:08:23.680 --> 01:08:26.399
was like, these are like normal guys. Whople are just

1407
01:08:26.439 --> 01:08:29.199
like whatever, I need two thousand bucks or whatever, and

1408
01:08:29.239 --> 01:08:31.680
then get kind of roped into this and then are

1409
01:08:31.760 --> 01:08:36.520
blackmailed into continuing to do it or their lives will

1410
01:08:36.560 --> 01:08:40.479
be ruined. Like it's insane. Oh, and how about that guy,

1411
01:08:40.840 --> 01:08:41.680
David Starr.

1412
01:08:42.239 --> 01:08:45.560
I literally felt so bad for him, So did I

1413
01:08:45.800 --> 01:08:48.479
when I was when his bit came on. Yeah, because

1414
01:08:48.520 --> 01:08:51.039
then but he didn't work for an O'Brien. He worked

1415
01:08:51.039 --> 01:08:58.119
for Tickle Terry, right and stop laughing at that old

1416
01:08:58.279 --> 01:09:04.039
berry and then and then Tickled Terry went to the

1417
01:09:04.079 --> 01:09:07.640
hospital for what six months, yes, and was still demanding

1418
01:09:07.640 --> 01:09:11.479
these videos be made. Yeah, and David was what the

1419
01:09:11.479 --> 01:09:14.680
recruiter I don't think he was being tickled. But he

1420
01:09:14.760 --> 01:09:16.079
was the one that was recruiting the men.

1421
01:09:16.279 --> 01:09:17.520
I thought he was filming it.

1422
01:09:17.840 --> 01:09:19.840
Yeah, I think he was filming and recruiting.

1423
01:09:19.880 --> 01:09:20.039
Yeah.

1424
01:09:20.079 --> 01:09:20.239
Yeah.

1425
01:09:20.479 --> 01:09:23.520
He described himself as like her little drug dealers exactly.

1426
01:09:23.640 --> 01:09:26.720
So he didn't want to do it eventually because she

1427
01:09:26.880 --> 01:09:28.840
wanted to then post the videos.

1428
01:09:29.239 --> 01:09:29.439
Right.

1429
01:09:29.560 --> 01:09:33.640
He realized that she was posting the like audition videos,

1430
01:09:33.720 --> 01:09:36.640
which they were being told weren't going to be posted, right,

1431
01:09:36.760 --> 01:09:38.279
So he was like, that's wrong.

1432
01:09:38.560 --> 01:09:42.359
Yeah, he took a stand, and then she completely flipped

1433
01:09:43.159 --> 01:09:46.520
and ruined his Oh my god, those videos about his

1434
01:09:47.000 --> 01:09:48.600
not the videos, those letters about his.

1435
01:09:48.520 --> 01:09:50.279
Brothers, yeah, who had passed away.

1436
01:09:50.359 --> 01:09:54.920
He was terrible having his mom like get those mail Yeah,

1437
01:09:54.960 --> 01:09:55.640
my god.

1438
01:09:56.039 --> 01:09:59.960
It was absolutely it was insane.

1439
01:10:00.479 --> 01:10:01.760
But then it's a twist.

1440
01:10:02.079 --> 01:10:06.159
But then the twist twist go.

1441
01:10:07.439 --> 01:10:13.199
It was actually a man named David Dematto, Yes, that

1442
01:10:13.359 --> 01:10:18.199
was running both, oh allegedly running both Tickle Terry and

1443
01:10:19.359 --> 01:10:26.119
Jane O'Brien media. But David Dematto, because they didn't, David Star

1444
01:10:26.399 --> 01:10:31.760
email someone for help and he said, send this file

1445
01:10:32.560 --> 01:10:35.640
Tickle Terry, and in that zipped file.

1446
01:10:35.720 --> 01:10:37.760
It was like all of his personal information, his.

1447
01:10:37.760 --> 01:10:41.439
Personal information that was linked to that person. First of all,

1448
01:10:41.840 --> 01:10:45.840
he took the social security numbers of Terry DeSisto, the

1449
01:10:45.880 --> 01:10:51.640
real Terry DeSisto passed away and was posing as her,

1450
01:10:52.720 --> 01:10:54.039
this deceased woman.

1451
01:10:54.560 --> 01:10:56.680
And had credit cards in her name and everything.

1452
01:10:57.119 --> 01:10:59.560
And then to top it all off, he was a

1453
01:10:59.800 --> 01:11:03.079
stant principle, right, wow, assistant principle.

1454
01:11:03.159 --> 01:11:03.840
That's crazy.

1455
01:11:03.880 --> 01:11:04.640
Watched time.

1456
01:11:06.319 --> 01:11:10.560
It makes you wonder like was he like recruiting people.

1457
01:11:11.279 --> 01:11:13.720
I'm sure they would have figured it out, like David

1458
01:11:13.760 --> 01:11:16.239
and Dylan and all, but like, was he recruiting people

1459
01:11:16.239 --> 01:11:18.640
from schools? I guess not. But they also said he

1460
01:11:18.720 --> 01:11:20.800
was going like he would only work at a school

1461
01:11:20.800 --> 01:11:21.960
for like a couple of years and then go to

1462
01:11:22.000 --> 01:11:22.520
another one.

1463
01:11:22.520 --> 01:11:24.840
And like, by me, it was also extremely weird.

1464
01:11:24.960 --> 01:11:30.800
Yeah, yeah, it is insane. And then they locate this

1465
01:11:30.880 --> 01:11:35.760
guy David Dematto, who is so weird and like reclusive,

1466
01:11:35.800 --> 01:11:39.239
and it comes come to find out his father was

1467
01:11:39.279 --> 01:11:41.439
like a billionaire or something because he started like some

1468
01:11:41.479 --> 01:11:45.079
big de motto and something bank or something on the

1469
01:11:45.119 --> 01:11:48.079
stock market or something. Right, so he was basically living

1470
01:11:48.520 --> 01:11:51.520
off of a trust fund, a trust fund, he literally was,

1471
01:11:51.720 --> 01:11:52.359
and then when.

1472
01:11:52.239 --> 01:11:55.239
His mother passed away, he got money there, millions yep,

1473
01:11:55.439 --> 01:11:56.199
from her estate.

1474
01:11:57.399 --> 01:11:57.640
Yeah.

1475
01:11:57.680 --> 01:12:00.319
So he was using all of this money for all

1476
01:12:00.319 --> 01:12:05.680
these weird things and kind of bullying people into bullying

1477
01:12:05.720 --> 01:12:09.319
people into well, like you said, blackmailing, not even bullying, blackmailing,

1478
01:12:09.399 --> 01:12:13.640
that's what it is. Yeah, And so they learn that

1479
01:12:13.680 --> 01:12:16.000
he got He served a six month prison sentence for

1480
01:12:16.119 --> 01:12:20.279
disabling a computer system at two different universities and retaliation

1481
01:12:20.399 --> 01:12:24.479
against an eighteen year old. Remember that he had an

1482
01:12:24.479 --> 01:12:28.039
eighteen year old that he was doing underage shoots for him,

1483
01:12:28.119 --> 01:12:33.399
tickle videos for David Diamato. When he went to college,

1484
01:12:33.399 --> 01:12:36.399
he was like, I'm done doing this. I remember David

1485
01:12:36.560 --> 01:12:42.159
ended up logging into his school's computer system, shutting it

1486
01:12:42.239 --> 01:12:45.640
down and pretending that it was him the student.

1487
01:12:45.880 --> 01:12:47.560
Is that when the secret Service came in?

1488
01:12:47.720 --> 01:12:51.600
Yes, oh my goodness. And it was at Temple University

1489
01:12:51.680 --> 01:12:55.319
in Phillies, Yes, yeah, I thought it was Drexel, Drexel, Drexel.

1490
01:12:55.399 --> 01:12:58.000
Yeah, yes, it was at Drexel because I remember hearing Drexeln.

1491
01:12:58.039 --> 01:12:59.720
I was like, oh my god, that's forty minutes from n.

1492
01:12:59.800 --> 01:13:01.119
Yeah, yep.

1493
01:13:01.479 --> 01:13:05.800
So he broke into their system pretending to be the

1494
01:13:05.840 --> 01:13:09.039
student all because he was like, I'm not doing videos anymore.

1495
01:13:09.720 --> 01:13:11.880
That is beyond psychotic.

1496
01:13:12.039 --> 01:13:15.600
You can tell that David Demadel never got told no

1497
01:13:15.800 --> 01:13:19.079
exact child, yep, because that is not almost behavior.

1498
01:13:19.239 --> 01:13:23.760
Yeah yeah, it is like super villain behavior. It's insane.

1499
01:13:24.039 --> 01:13:24.319
Yeah.

1500
01:13:24.319 --> 01:13:26.960
And then they kind of, I don't want to say,

1501
01:13:26.960 --> 01:13:30.399
stalk him, but Dylan and David end up kind of

1502
01:13:30.560 --> 01:13:32.319
they want to talk to him because he's the one

1503
01:13:32.319 --> 01:13:35.279
behind all of this, right, He's the one that's you know,

1504
01:13:35.560 --> 01:13:40.039
bullying and harassing David. So he wants to confront him

1505
01:13:40.039 --> 01:13:41.960
and be like, hey, let's get on the record and

1506
01:13:42.000 --> 01:13:46.600
have a conversation. And they finally track him down and

1507
01:13:46.880 --> 01:13:49.479
he basically threatens him legally and blah blah blah, like

1508
01:13:49.560 --> 01:13:50.319
that was crazy.

1509
01:13:50.399 --> 01:13:53.439
Well didn't they wait like a week or a couple

1510
01:13:53.439 --> 01:13:55.399
of days from him, because he didn't knock him out

1511
01:13:55.399 --> 01:13:58.079
of his apartment exactly, which is also kind of weird.

1512
01:13:58.279 --> 01:13:58.800
It's weird.

1513
01:13:59.039 --> 01:14:01.800
Why are you not leave your house days on end?

1514
01:14:01.880 --> 01:14:05.520
Is that covid exactly? It's so weird, Like, what are

1515
01:14:05.600 --> 01:14:06.039
you doing?

1516
01:14:07.199 --> 01:14:10.479
I can't go three hours without leaving my house, Like,

1517
01:14:10.840 --> 01:14:12.840
what are you doing for five days?

1518
01:14:12.840 --> 01:14:13.279
In our row?

1519
01:14:16.079 --> 01:14:22.279
Tiggle very f it's tickle Tuesday. Oh, my god, let's

1520
01:14:22.319 --> 01:14:25.359
not make that a thing. Please, I'm so close to

1521
01:14:25.399 --> 01:14:30.279
walking out finishes by herself. No, I'm kidding, but don't

1522
01:14:30.279 --> 01:14:30.680
test me.

1523
01:14:32.319 --> 01:14:35.800
So then he ends up contacting So his father had

1524
01:14:35.840 --> 01:14:39.520
passed away, Yes, his mother had passed away. So David

1525
01:14:39.640 --> 01:14:43.359
ends up contacting his stepmother, which is basically had cut

1526
01:14:43.439 --> 01:14:47.119
ties off with him m after the father died, because

1527
01:14:47.119 --> 01:14:48.560
she was like, I'm scared of him.

1528
01:14:48.880 --> 01:14:50.319
He's insane.

1529
01:14:50.960 --> 01:14:54.680
And she said that she was shocked that he was

1530
01:14:54.720 --> 01:14:56.720
back in the tickle ring or whatever.

1531
01:14:57.199 --> 01:14:58.439
Yes, she did, you know what I mean.

1532
01:14:58.600 --> 01:15:01.880
And David, he never stopped.

1533
01:15:01.960 --> 01:15:03.119
Yeah, yep.

1534
01:15:03.359 --> 01:15:07.039
And then the stepmother just tells David Domado's whole life story.

1535
01:15:07.119 --> 01:15:10.000
Yeah, yep. Bench was like, you know what, boom.

1536
01:15:09.800 --> 01:15:12.119
Here is this this this He was bullied as a kid.

1537
01:15:12.159 --> 01:15:14.079
They locked him in a locker as a kid. His

1538
01:15:14.159 --> 01:15:20.199
mom was protective, you know, just trust fun. Yeah, just

1539
01:15:20.239 --> 01:15:23.279
the whole entire thing that you would assume, yep, from

1540
01:15:23.279 --> 01:15:24.079
a person like this.

1541
01:15:24.439 --> 01:15:28.159
So then that's the end of the film. Incredible film

1542
01:15:28.159 --> 01:15:32.680
by itself, right Then of course I'm googling and researching

1543
01:15:32.720 --> 01:15:36.600
and all. And David Tomato actually sued his stepmother for.

1544
01:15:36.439 --> 01:15:38.039
That forty dollars.

1545
01:15:38.199 --> 01:15:40.560
Yeah, and he lost, which I think is hilarious.

1546
01:15:41.319 --> 01:15:43.079
First of all, I cannot believe he didn't go to

1547
01:15:43.079 --> 01:15:46.119
prison for everything that he did. Yeah, and on top

1548
01:15:46.159 --> 01:15:48.560
of that, he was allowed to go to law school.

1549
01:15:48.760 --> 01:15:52.920
Right while he was doing his sentence. Yes, and that

1550
01:15:53.039 --> 01:15:56.359
one guy who was speaking, he was saying, Yeah, the

1551
01:15:56.479 --> 01:15:59.319
court system was like, yes, this is exactly who needs

1552
01:15:59.319 --> 01:16:02.399
to be a lawyer. Exactly, this guy who stole this

1553
01:16:02.479 --> 01:16:05.399
deceased woman's identity, this one who is blackmailing this it,

1554
01:16:05.640 --> 01:16:06.800
this needs to be a lawyer.

1555
01:16:06.920 --> 01:16:07.640
Yeah.

1556
01:16:07.720 --> 01:16:09.039
That is ridiculous to me.

1557
01:16:09.279 --> 01:16:10.239
It's insane.

1558
01:16:10.359 --> 01:16:12.880
And he did it. He graduated from law school.

1559
01:16:13.000 --> 01:16:13.239
Yep.

1560
01:16:14.399 --> 01:16:17.760
It is absturity, insane, Yeah, the irony in it.

1561
01:16:18.279 --> 01:16:21.279
So then he's passed away now, David Dimatto.

1562
01:16:21.239 --> 01:16:24.640
Oh I did I did research that. Yeah, and so

1563
01:16:24.720 --> 01:16:27.239
he can't have anything to say about this exactly.

1564
01:16:27.920 --> 01:16:31.760
David Diamatto actively spammed and controlled a variety of news groups,

1565
01:16:31.800 --> 01:16:35.600
particularly alt dot Gothic and wreck dot Music dot Fish,

1566
01:16:35.760 --> 01:16:38.960
from roughly nineteen ninety six to nineteen ninety nine, initiated

1567
01:16:39.000 --> 01:16:43.239
email bombings against those he considered opponents, and solicited video

1568
01:16:43.279 --> 01:16:46.279
recordings of young male adults being bound and Tickled, all

1569
01:16:46.279 --> 01:16:50.880
while using the pseudonym alter ego Terry DeSisto, who was

1570
01:16:50.920 --> 01:16:54.119
supposedly a female college student. Diamatto was found guilty of

1571
01:16:54.119 --> 01:16:58.119
email bobbings, which caused services service outages at a number

1572
01:16:58.119 --> 01:17:01.239
of colleges and universities. He was finding five thousand dollars,

1573
01:17:01.560 --> 01:17:04.159
that's it, and spent six months in federal prison after

1574
01:17:04.199 --> 01:17:09.439
being convicted. He died in March twenty seventeen, which was

1575
01:17:10.039 --> 01:17:13.920
one year after Tickle came out, which I think is

1576
01:17:13.920 --> 01:17:14.760
also interesting.

1577
01:17:15.079 --> 01:17:16.960
Wait, exactly one year.

1578
01:17:17.039 --> 01:17:17.960
Not to like the day.

1579
01:17:18.159 --> 01:17:21.439
Oh okay, so the documentary, Yeah, that would have been

1580
01:17:21.600 --> 01:17:25.159
very weird. Yeah, that came out May twenty sixteen. He

1581
01:17:25.399 --> 01:17:28.000
died in March twenty seventeen, so not even a year.

1582
01:17:28.119 --> 01:17:29.439
That's super interesting.

1583
01:17:29.600 --> 01:17:30.359
That's crazy.

1584
01:17:30.560 --> 01:17:33.520
Yeah, I wonder where all his money went. I'm just

1585
01:17:33.560 --> 01:17:33.960
curious that.

1586
01:17:34.000 --> 01:17:36.439
He didn't have kids, yeah, or a spouse.

1587
01:17:36.680 --> 01:17:37.159
Yeah.

1588
01:17:37.199 --> 01:17:41.479
So then I found out on Reddit that there was

1589
01:17:41.520 --> 01:17:44.840
a follow up, a short called The Tickle King yep,

1590
01:17:45.279 --> 01:17:47.520
which I then of course got to watch.

1591
01:17:48.640 --> 01:17:51.239
My entire night that night became consumed with this. I

1592
01:17:51.279 --> 01:17:52.039
was like obsessed.

1593
01:17:52.279 --> 01:17:54.359
I can tell yeah, and I can see why.

1594
01:17:54.479 --> 01:17:58.760
Yeah, And I actually contacted David, but I want to

1595
01:17:58.800 --> 01:18:01.600
get him on and and interview him about this and

1596
01:18:02.000 --> 01:18:04.199
Dark Tourists and everything else he's doing.

1597
01:18:04.239 --> 01:18:07.319
Because I just need to know. I just need to

1598
01:18:07.319 --> 01:18:07.760
talk to him.

1599
01:18:07.920 --> 01:18:09.960
Yeah, you just need to get the more information.

1600
01:18:10.039 --> 01:18:11.720
It's not enough, it's not I want to know.

1601
01:18:11.760 --> 01:18:16.000
Feel content, like what I know that there are some cuts.

1602
01:18:16.319 --> 01:18:17.479
Tell me the cuts.

1603
01:18:17.560 --> 01:18:21.039
Yes, so for the Tickle King, which is like twenty minutes,

1604
01:18:21.199 --> 01:18:23.920
says The follow up to Tickled features new footage documenting

1605
01:18:23.960 --> 01:18:28.279
the bizarre and unsettling things that happened to the filmmakers. Uh,

1606
01:18:28.800 --> 01:18:35.359
which this was super super interesting. David Dimatto shows up

1607
01:18:35.560 --> 01:18:40.880
at a festival screening of Tickled, which is.

1608
01:18:42.640 --> 01:18:47.520
Nuts nuts When I saw well, when I heard that

1609
01:18:47.600 --> 01:18:51.920
David Demato was in the crowd, my jaw literally hit

1610
01:18:52.039 --> 01:18:54.520
the full Yeah, I could not believe it.

1611
01:18:54.880 --> 01:19:00.399
Yeah, it is like the insane. Like when I say insane, lot,

1612
01:19:00.640 --> 01:19:03.479
that's like insane.

1613
01:19:02.760 --> 01:19:04.439
That's really insane.

1614
01:19:04.560 --> 01:19:07.840
Yeah, you did all of this that is all documented

1615
01:19:07.840 --> 01:19:10.840
in this movie. And then you go to a public

1616
01:19:10.920 --> 01:19:13.039
screening of the movie with the director.

1617
01:19:13.680 --> 01:19:17.199
I mean, I don't know what he was thinking. Yeah,

1618
01:19:17.279 --> 01:19:20.039
he probably wanted to see it. Like they're like everybody else.

1619
01:19:20.279 --> 01:19:22.800
What are they saying about me with the Q and

1620
01:19:22.880 --> 01:19:27.359
A Oh yes, the Q and A. Oh my god,

1621
01:19:27.399 --> 01:19:28.720
I forgot about the freaking Q and A.

1622
01:19:29.159 --> 01:19:33.039
He's eating popcorn while they're talking about him, like he's

1623
01:19:33.079 --> 01:19:34.720
watching Twisters or something.

1624
01:19:35.039 --> 01:19:38.800
It's looking so unbothered at how this documentary that he's

1625
01:19:38.840 --> 01:19:45.000
literally ruined these people's lives. Yes, harassed, blackmailed, made up names, everything,

1626
01:19:45.039 --> 01:19:48.359
the whole nine yards, everything you could think of, he did. Yeah,

1627
01:19:48.399 --> 01:19:52.720
and he's just sitting there eating his popcorn, listening to

1628
01:19:52.760 --> 01:19:58.760
these people ask these outrageous questions. Yeah, that are very serious. Yeah,

1629
01:19:58.800 --> 01:20:02.479
and he's this is like live in large.

1630
01:20:02.560 --> 01:20:05.239
Yeah, it's like he's watching TV or something.

1631
01:20:05.600 --> 01:20:10.399
It is insane. And then the gray haired guy confronts David.

1632
01:20:11.239 --> 01:20:13.920
Oh yes he does in that way, and like it

1633
01:20:13.960 --> 01:20:15.680
wasn't a was it in the screening?

1634
01:20:15.800 --> 01:20:18.640
It was it was a different screening because what Dylan

1635
01:20:18.720 --> 01:20:21.359
was on one screening and David was at the other one.

1636
01:20:21.479 --> 01:20:23.880
Yeah, and they got into it, they lobby.

1637
01:20:23.760 --> 01:20:27.520
Into it, and I'm like, oh, this is good. This

1638
01:20:28.239 --> 01:20:32.319
is the drama I live for. This is good.

1639
01:20:32.399 --> 01:20:35.920
I mean, you cannot write that, you know what I mean? No,

1640
01:20:36.399 --> 01:20:40.840
you cannot write if that was not a documentary, I'd

1641
01:20:40.840 --> 01:20:41.680
be like, that's so stupid.

1642
01:20:41.680 --> 01:20:43.479
That would never happen, you know what I mean.

1643
01:20:43.520 --> 01:20:46.399
Like if it was like a regular movie, like a

1644
01:20:46.439 --> 01:20:48.159
fiction movie, yeah, I'd be like.

1645
01:20:48.199 --> 01:20:52.319
That was dumb, Like that guy would never come. No,

1646
01:20:52.920 --> 01:20:55.279
you came. They both came, came.

1647
01:20:55.600 --> 01:20:56.560
With popcorn and all.

1648
01:20:56.760 --> 01:20:59.800
Yeah. I mean, oh my god.

1649
01:21:00.239 --> 01:21:04.600
And what's crazy is David says that after those kind

1650
01:21:04.600 --> 01:21:08.359
of public screening fiascos, Yeah, never heard from.

1651
01:21:08.199 --> 01:21:11.000
Him again, all the harassments stopped and everything.

1652
01:21:11.199 --> 01:21:11.479
Yep.

1653
01:21:12.079 --> 01:21:18.359
It's like so bizarre, so bizarre, the whole thing. So

1654
01:21:18.880 --> 01:21:20.359
what do you think overall?

1655
01:21:20.600 --> 01:21:23.359
I think that David de Model was behind Jane ol

1656
01:21:23.399 --> 01:21:24.119
Brian media.

1657
01:21:24.279 --> 01:21:24.600
Yeah.

1658
01:21:24.640 --> 01:21:29.520
Absolutely, obviously. Terry Tickles confirmed. Harry Tiggle could confirm what

1659
01:21:30.720 --> 01:21:36.800
I am a just if David the Model was alm.

1660
01:21:37.640 --> 01:21:42.119
Kidding like, uh, my friend once a uh wants to

1661
01:21:42.159 --> 01:21:44.640
be into movies. My life has changed?

1662
01:21:44.880 --> 01:21:47.319
Was it really that impactful for you, Kyle? Well, it's

1663
01:21:47.640 --> 01:21:51.319
because I feel like if I was a guy, it

1664
01:21:51.359 --> 01:21:53.359
would have it would put things a little bit more

1665
01:21:53.399 --> 01:21:54.239
into perspective.

1666
01:21:54.520 --> 01:21:56.520
It's so it was impactful.

1667
01:21:56.680 --> 01:21:58.760
Like when I say my life's changed, I'm being extra

1668
01:21:59.359 --> 01:22:03.119
But well, are you really. I mean I am to

1669
01:22:03.199 --> 01:22:06.119
a point, but I mean, like, is my life like change, Like, oh,

1670
01:22:06.279 --> 01:22:11.439
I'm a new person, like not literally, but it was

1671
01:22:11.720 --> 01:22:17.800
so powerful, like because it's just so unbelievable and it's real,

1672
01:22:18.279 --> 01:22:20.680
you know what I mean. That's why I'm just like Okay.

1673
01:22:20.720 --> 01:22:23.880
So I was obsessed with another documentary which I don't

1674
01:22:23.960 --> 01:22:26.640
know if you would like, but it is called Gray Gardens.

1675
01:22:26.840 --> 01:22:28.880
Which that was also a weird time in my life.

1676
01:22:28.880 --> 01:22:31.479
My mom had just passed away. I was like kind

1677
01:22:31.520 --> 01:22:34.199
of in a funk and not really leaving the house,

1678
01:22:34.840 --> 01:22:37.880
and I was watching like Cops reruns of like the

1679
01:22:37.920 --> 01:22:42.359
Cops show on Pluto, and I was watching like Unsolved Mysteries,

1680
01:22:42.680 --> 01:22:46.439
and I came upon this documentary called Gray Gardens, okay,

1681
01:22:46.479 --> 01:22:48.000
and I became obsessed with it.

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01:22:48.079 --> 01:22:50.039
I still quote it to this day. It is so

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01:22:50.199 --> 01:22:50.760
weird too.

1684
01:22:51.119 --> 01:22:51.920
What's it about?

1685
01:22:51.960 --> 01:22:52.199
Though?

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01:22:53.720 --> 01:22:56.279
Now?

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01:22:57.680 --> 01:23:01.000
It is about the daily lives of two ages eccentric

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01:23:01.239 --> 01:23:06.199
relatives of Jackie Kennedy onasas Eddie Bouvier Beale and her

1689
01:23:06.239 --> 01:23:09.640
mother mother Edith, are the sole inhabitants of a Long

1690
01:23:09.680 --> 01:23:13.479
Island estate. During the course of the documentary, they discuss

1691
01:23:13.560 --> 01:23:17.159
their habits, desires, and former loves with famous filmmakers. The

1692
01:23:17.199 --> 01:23:21.560
women reveal themselves to be misfits with outsized, engaging personalities.

1693
01:23:21.720 --> 01:23:24.279
So basically, the just behind that, I feel like we're

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01:23:24.279 --> 01:23:27.279
setting up a whole other episode now on Grey Gardens now,

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01:23:27.319 --> 01:23:30.319
But the just beyond Greg Gardens is that the mansion

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01:23:30.359 --> 01:23:34.800
became like dilapidated, and then eventually the power company turned

1697
01:23:34.840 --> 01:23:36.840
it off and the water company and blah blah blah,

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01:23:36.840 --> 01:23:39.840
And so then you have these like kind of eccentric

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01:23:40.239 --> 01:23:44.199
mother and daughter who you know, rarely if ever leave

1700
01:23:44.279 --> 01:23:47.840
this state that have just lived there for decades, and

1701
01:23:47.880 --> 01:23:51.000
so they like entertain themselves, they like make costumes, and

1702
01:23:51.159 --> 01:23:55.600
it is so sad but also so powerful and also

1703
01:23:55.760 --> 01:24:00.520
so amazing that that had a big impact on me too.

1704
01:24:01.399 --> 01:24:04.560
I think it's true stories of weird things that I'm like,

1705
01:24:04.720 --> 01:24:08.640
who like those really get me, you know what I mean? Yeah,

1706
01:24:08.680 --> 01:24:10.800
because it's just like, you know, there's a big world

1707
01:24:10.840 --> 01:24:12.840
out there and a lot of us are confined to

1708
01:24:12.920 --> 01:24:15.560
our own little bubbles that I'm like, what, like somebody

1709
01:24:15.600 --> 01:24:18.479
could do that to somebody else with like Jane O'Brien

1710
01:24:18.520 --> 01:24:21.239
media and all that, like and then harassed people Like

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01:24:22.039 --> 01:24:24.359
it's just so outside of my bubble, Like I can't

1712
01:24:24.399 --> 01:24:27.279
fathom somebody doing it that to know, it's real. It's

1713
01:24:27.279 --> 01:24:30.319
not like a fictional movie, like it's a documentary. Is

1714
01:24:30.359 --> 01:24:32.199
wild to me. Same thing with great gardens, like you

1715
01:24:32.279 --> 01:24:35.560
have these these two women are it's like your grandmother

1716
01:24:35.680 --> 01:24:40.239
and your aunt or something like they're well, they're very eccentric,

1717
01:24:40.319 --> 01:24:43.600
like goofy and and kind of weird and unique, but

1718
01:24:43.840 --> 01:24:48.399
very sweet, like so nice and you know, so it'd

1719
01:24:48.439 --> 01:24:50.239
be like if you had like a really weird grandmother

1720
01:24:50.359 --> 01:24:53.119
that like dressing up, or a really weird aunt that

1721
01:24:53.159 --> 01:24:57.039
you're like, oh that's Auntie, you know, Jess or whatever.

1722
01:24:57.359 --> 01:24:58.760
You know, it's just hews, you you know.

1723
01:24:59.439 --> 01:25:02.279
But they live in this giant mansion on in a

1724
01:25:02.319 --> 01:25:08.720
neighborhood with all these multi millionaires. Theirs looks dilapidated and

1725
01:25:09.439 --> 01:25:12.760
they don't have money to eat or you know, have power,

1726
01:25:13.720 --> 01:25:16.479
and they live in this like giant rich thing. It's

1727
01:25:16.560 --> 01:25:17.840
just so fascinating to me.

1728
01:25:18.039 --> 01:25:22.439
It's like so ironic. Yeah, how you're around big money

1729
01:25:22.800 --> 01:25:25.960
and you live essentially in a house that is created

1730
01:25:25.960 --> 01:25:28.039
from big money, right, you don't live the big money

1731
01:25:28.039 --> 01:25:29.000
life exactly.

1732
01:25:29.439 --> 01:25:29.720
Yep.

1733
01:25:29.840 --> 01:25:31.039
That is very interesting.

1734
01:25:31.119 --> 01:25:34.880
Yeah, So that film. That documentary also had a big

1735
01:25:34.920 --> 01:25:37.239
impact on me. I think it's the stories, like I said,

1736
01:25:37.279 --> 01:25:41.039
like where there's these weird I don't want to say outsiders,

1737
01:25:41.079 --> 01:25:44.880
but weird outsiders, you know what I mean in ways because.

1738
01:25:44.600 --> 01:25:47.039
They in a way that they are outsiders because they're

1739
01:25:47.039 --> 01:25:47.479
not in the.

1740
01:25:47.439 --> 01:25:49.840
Bubble right off your life exactly.

1741
01:25:49.960 --> 01:25:53.520
But for me, it's similar to what you said, And

1742
01:25:53.560 --> 01:25:58.039
it also brings l how close these things happen. Yeah,

1743
01:25:58.079 --> 01:26:01.279
because this happened in New York Yeah, and Philly yep,

1744
01:26:01.520 --> 01:26:03.119
you know with that guy and.

1745
01:26:03.439 --> 01:26:06.039
They said he had sales all over the country exactly

1746
01:26:06.039 --> 01:26:09.079
where he was recruiting these guys all over They named

1747
01:26:09.119 --> 01:26:11.119
like twenty five cities or something exactly.

1748
01:26:11.479 --> 01:26:15.840
And it's like, yeah, it's nice to see what goes

1749
01:26:15.880 --> 01:26:18.399
on to these documentaries because it is out of our bubble,

1750
01:26:18.479 --> 01:26:21.399
but in reality, it's really close to us. Yeah, it's

1751
01:26:21.439 --> 01:26:25.119
closer than what I think we think. Yeah it is, yep,

1752
01:26:25.239 --> 01:26:29.720
because Philly is like forty minutes from us exactly. So yeah, Drexel,

1753
01:26:29.760 --> 01:26:31.680
everyone around here knows drugs University.

1754
01:26:31.840 --> 01:26:32.079
Yep.

1755
01:26:32.279 --> 01:26:34.479
I probably have friends that have friends that go to

1756
01:26:34.560 --> 01:26:38.520
drugs with university. It's like, dang, yeah, it happened there.

1757
01:26:39.279 --> 01:26:43.000
That is why I think I love documentaries, especially good ones,

1758
01:26:44.319 --> 01:26:48.239
you know, because it does expose us to a world

1759
01:26:48.239 --> 01:26:49.159
outside of our.

1760
01:26:49.079 --> 01:26:50.560
Own, right, you know what I mean?

1761
01:26:50.720 --> 01:26:50.960
Yep?

1762
01:26:51.239 --> 01:26:53.399
Yeah, anyway, that's tickled.

1763
01:26:53.479 --> 01:26:54.279
That was crazy.

1764
01:26:54.439 --> 01:26:57.159
Yeah. Are you glad you watched it for the podcast?

1765
01:26:57.239 --> 01:27:01.359
I am, because I would have come in here. I

1766
01:27:01.359 --> 01:27:04.520
would have came in here and listened to this whole entire.

1767
01:27:04.479 --> 01:27:05.720
You would have thought I was in insane person.

1768
01:27:06.439 --> 01:27:15.600
Well, I don't think that anyone would take to this

1769
01:27:15.640 --> 01:27:20.000
documentary with open arms initially, Yeah, because it's just weird.

1770
01:27:20.079 --> 01:27:22.399
Number One, people don't know this is a fetish. People

1771
01:27:22.399 --> 01:27:24.640
don't even know that this is a thing. People don't

1772
01:27:24.680 --> 01:27:27.640
know that this is a form of torture. I mean,

1773
01:27:27.920 --> 01:27:30.640
it's weird. But when you get into it, when you

1774
01:27:30.680 --> 01:27:33.760
when you put past the judgment, you know a little bit,

1775
01:27:34.359 --> 01:27:35.880
you can find some pretty neat stuff.

1776
01:27:36.239 --> 01:27:40.880
And some of those people in this film and involved

1777
01:27:40.880 --> 01:27:44.279
in that, some of the people interviewed and and tickled

1778
01:27:44.600 --> 01:27:47.279
seemed to be otherwise very very normal.

1779
01:27:47.520 --> 01:27:50.760
Oh yeah, you could see them in the street right then.

1780
01:27:50.920 --> 01:27:52.960
The TJ guy, he said that when he went to

1781
01:27:53.039 --> 01:27:56.600
the session, he said that it was normal people bodybuilders

1782
01:27:56.600 --> 01:28:01.039
were there, Yeah, actors that acted in commercials that he had. Yeah,

1783
01:28:01.119 --> 01:28:02.920
we're in that session.

1784
01:28:03.039 --> 01:28:03.520
Yeah.

1785
01:28:03.560 --> 01:28:05.800
And even he he said, it was just you would

1786
01:28:05.840 --> 01:28:10.159
see these people downtown, yeah, all the time, grocery store whatever.

1787
01:28:10.520 --> 01:28:13.039
I mean, that's what's scary about it too, right, that

1788
01:28:13.520 --> 01:28:15.199
you think you have an image of the type of

1789
01:28:15.199 --> 01:28:17.920
person that these people are and then they could be

1790
01:28:18.000 --> 01:28:20.239
just your neighbor. Yeah, at the end of the day.

1791
01:28:20.399 --> 01:28:21.800
And that's the scary part.

1792
01:28:22.039 --> 01:28:23.960
Your neighbor could be.

1793
01:28:24.079 --> 01:28:30.800
The cold serry. Wrap this up, Wrap.

1794
01:28:30.600 --> 01:28:36.439
This up, all right. That is our episode for that's

1795
01:28:36.479 --> 01:28:39.279
it for today. That's it for this episode. It was

1796
01:28:39.399 --> 01:28:42.560
you know, we had the delightful rapman on to talk

1797
01:28:42.600 --> 01:28:47.239
about his giant Netflix hit, Supercel and Amanda and I

1798
01:28:47.479 --> 01:28:51.439
talked all about Tickled and The Tickle King. Tickled is

1799
01:28:51.479 --> 01:28:56.319
available exclusively on Netflix and The Tickle King is available.

1800
01:28:56.439 --> 01:29:01.359
The short follow up is available on YouTube. And I

1801
01:29:01.479 --> 01:29:04.199
believe HBO Max don't quote me on that. In any event,

1802
01:29:04.600 --> 01:29:06.319
Thank you for hanging out with us. Let me know

1803
01:29:06.359 --> 01:29:09.680
what you think about Tickled. All of the show notes,

1804
01:29:09.840 --> 01:29:11.199
all of the links are in the show notes that

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01:29:11.279 --> 01:29:14.520
hit hit me up and I'll see you next week.

1806
01:29:14.560 --> 01:29:17.920
All right, I love you. We thank you for listening

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01:29:18.000 --> 01:29:22.199
to pop Culture Weekly. Here all the latest at popcultureweekly

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