Oliver Jackson-Cohen & the Cast of Towards Zero; Celebrating YouTube's 20th Anniversary

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In this episode of pop Culture Weekly, we celebrate two

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decades of YouTube and the cast of Agatha Christie's Towards

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Zero is on.

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Welcome to pop Culture Weekly with Kyle McMahon from my

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Nett Nan Nahnt, Hello and welcome to pop Culture Weekly

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with Kyle McMahon. I of course am Kyle McMahon, and

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I thank you once again for hanging out with me

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for another episode of pop Culture Weekly. We have an

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awesome episode today. Did you know it's YouTube's twentieth birthday?

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Like that's insane. So we have Maddie Buxton from YouTube

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to celebrate two decades of YouTube and speak about some

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of the incredible pop culture moments. And then later in

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the show, we have the cast of the new BritBox

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Limited series Agatha Christie's Towards Zero, including Oliver Jackson Cohen

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love Him. That show is really good. I love a

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good mystery. Who Done it? And it does just that?

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But all right, so first up, though, we're gonna be

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celebrating the twentieth birthday of YouTube. So joining us is

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Maddy Buxton, who's YouTube's trends manager, and we're gonna dive

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into the profound impact on pop culture that YouTube has had.

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You know, so many viral videos, influential creators. YouTube. Really

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it's transformed the way that we consume content and connect

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with other people and even you know, how we perceive

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fame and success, right like mister Beast, I mean that's

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his you know, career trajectory is insane and it all

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is thanks to YouTube. So just some interesting facts about YouTube,

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because you know, I think it's pretty incredible. There are

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over twenty million videos uploaded daily to YouTube, twenty million.

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YouTube users average over one hundred million comments on videos

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daily every single day, one hundred million comments, and YouTube

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videos receive over three point five billion likes from users

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per day. Three point five billion likes. That's insane. There's

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over now three hundred music videos on YouTube that are

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in the billion views club, including Madonna who just hit

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It with lais La, Benita Adele with Hello Rose, and

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Bruno Mars with apt Oh. And by the way, Adele's

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Hello Made It made it to a billion views in

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just eighty eight days. That's pretty crazy. So in any event,

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just some cool, you know, facts I think I thought

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were interesting about YouTube celebrating their twentieth anniversary. Let's jump

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right in to my conversation with YouTube's trend manager Matty Buckston.

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All right, so I am here with Matty Bruckstein, YouTube's

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culture and trends lead, and we are discussing and celebrating

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twenty years of YouTube.

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How are you hi, I'm great, How are.

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You I'm doing well. Thank you so much, and thank

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you so much for joining me. It's it's pretty cool

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because twenty years ago there was this nineteen second video

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of a guy at a zoo or whatever, and now

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it's incredible what's changed in how big it's become. How

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do you feel about that?

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Yeah, I mean we went from that nineteen second video

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two decades ago to today YouTube is the number one

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streaming platform in the US. It's changed so much. Creators

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are celebrities with hundreds of millions of subscribers. It's it's

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just been crazy to see this kind of growth.

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Yeah, and I just I actually covered a couple of

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weeks ago that for the first time ever, more people

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are watching YouTube on television than actually on you know,

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phones and iPads and stuff like that. How has that shift?

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You know, And I'm kind of jumping way ahead, but

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I'm curious, how does that shift reflect what you have

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been seeing? You know, culturally in the twenty years ago,

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we had to go on a browser or whatever and

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dial up on AOL or whatever it was. And you know,

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how is that in your opinion? Why has that shift happened?

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Yeah, I mean you're exactly right now that we're seeing

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that when people sit down on the couch and they

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turn on the TV, they're turning on YouTube. I think

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a big part of it is that there are so

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many different formats now. So you have traditional but you

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also have shorts, which people are watching a lot on

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their TVs. You have live streams, you have video podcasts.

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able to access, and people are looking to watch them

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across more surfaces than ever before.

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you know. I mean I have a fifty five inch

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TV in my room and it's like, well, I was

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watching it on my phone, watching YouTube on my phone,

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and then I'm like, wait, I'm in front of a

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giant TV that has access to YouTube? Why am I

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doing that? So I just made the switch myself.

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You know, yeah, exactly. And it's also I mean, if

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you put on something in the background when you're doing

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things around the house, you know, it's our concept of entertainment,

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and what entertainment is has really expanded. You know, it's

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not just things that you sit down actively to watch.

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while you're doing something else.

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what how would you describe YouTube?

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viral videos David after Dentist, Double Rainbow, Harlie bit my finger.

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started to see longer videos really really taking over. And

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now we're back to having this this very broad mix

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of all different lengths.

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to be shorts people and then what I call like

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long's people, but then there's this mix who watch both.

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has become a place for all of it you know,

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if you just want short little bursts, you got that.

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bees or something, you got that too. Like, you know,

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it's really become kind of an all video whatever your

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tastes are.

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that a lot of people might find a creator, find

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what they're interested in, be a short, and then go

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to long form to explore it in more depth.

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as we were talking about what YouTube looked like twenty

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years ago and some of the viral things that popped off,

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how do you see you know those some of those

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videos that you've talked about were like main things in

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my childhood that you know, we're like everybody was talking

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about and I would send it to my friends and play,

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you know, and then we'd be double Rainbow and all that. Hell.

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was starting to ingrain itself in pop culture, not just

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ingrain itself, but starting to become pop culture.

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of their friends and family, but it's happening within their community,

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so they're coming into these bigger moments through more personal

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entry points. So you might not see the same exact

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video as someone else, but you might become a fan

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of something because you saw cooking video related to it

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and you're into cooking. So it's much more, much more

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personalized than ever before.

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with Vivo where Vivo was working with YouTube to bring

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all these music videos and that sort of thing. How

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much do you think like music especially you know, bigger

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artists changed the trajectory, if you will, of YouTube, almostly

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legitimized it, you know.

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artists who were discovered and really born on YouTube, like

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Justin Bieber, and then you have videos like Gongdam Style,

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which became the first video to cross a billion views

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and then two billion views, and we've seen so much

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globalization of music through YouTube. K pop really, you know,

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taking over nine of the top ten twenty four hour

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music debuts come from K pop videos, and that's because

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of their band communities that live on YouTube.

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And I remember I think the band was Okay Go, Yeah,

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the Treadmill. Yes, where like that's the first band or

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act that I remember that like legitimately became a star,

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you know, legitimately became a household name from their YouTube

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music video alone.

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be able to tell their story, to connect with their

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fans in new ways. And that's still the case. The

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music video is more important than ever.

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And you know, speaking, I'm obviously a huge pop culture fan,

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and we touched with music and such, but film, you know,

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I noticed that even back then, twenty years ago, it

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was kind of a cursory thing of what we have

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now where people are debuting you know, feature films on YouTube.

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But it gave an avenue in my opinion, and still today,

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but especially then where there weren't a lot of outlets,

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it gave an avenue for people to kind of explore

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and get their camera or whatever and kind of make

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these movies that wouldn't be able to be seen otherwise.

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You know, how do you feel about that?

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Yeah, I mean you hit the nail on the head.

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I think you Tube created the partner program, which was

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the first way that creators were able to make money

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just by uploading videos to the Internet, and that's really

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formed the basis of the creator economy that exists now.

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And to your point, we see so many different formats

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that never would have had a place on traditional broadcast

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TV but have become massive on YouTube. Things like ASMR,

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you know, those whisper videos that are helpful for some

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people for relaxation, like exactly get ready with me videos?

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You know, these things that are very established formats now

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but that never existed or would have existed before.

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Hell have you seen, you know, obviously with movies and

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film and television and everything. You know, from a viewer perspective. Anyway,

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I had noticed at some point that you know, companies,

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you know, these giant I don't I don't want to

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say I hate the word legacy companies, but traditional media companies.

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time and still to this day to give content in

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order just to promote their new project, whether it's movie

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or show or whatever. What do you think that shift

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was for them to be like, you know what, this

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is a viable, huge, you know, audience potential audience that

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we wouldn't do, wouldn't have been able to do otherwise.

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Is there a first that you can kind of think

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of that kind of you know, open those floodgates.

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Necessarily a first? But I think there are two big

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components here. One is that creators are now mainstream celebrities.

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So for big Hollywood productions that want to promote their films,

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celebrities are going to interview shows like hot ones like

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Chicken Shop Date, and that's where they're doing their promotion

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because they know that millions of viewers are going there.

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fan communities exist and engage on YouTube. And I think

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companies have recognized that if they want to reach these

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fan communities, YouTube is where they need.

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And for for you, you know, on the YouTube side,

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how has it been to watch? You know? Because YouTube

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invests a lot in small creators. I know, you know,

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I'm subscribed to the creator channel and and you know,

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get all kinds of tips and I get an email

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every week and all of this. Do you did you

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h as creators became such vital components of YouTube and

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these kind of powerhouses on our own outside of a

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traditional system. Did that take YouTube by surprise? I mean,

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because obviously it's you know, audience driven content. But like,

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you know, if I was back then, I would never

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have thought, like, oh, mister Beast is going to be

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this giant mainstream celebrity in ten years, you know what

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I mean. Was that a surprise On the business side.

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I wouldn't say it was a surprise because we've always

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known that the heart of the company, the heart of

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YouTube is the creators, and how they've built their community

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is how they've built their production studios. I think seeing

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you know, creators like mister Beast who have hundreds of

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millions of subscribers is incredible. That scale is almost beyond belief. Yeah,

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but I think we always knew that that creators were

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going to go mainstream and become big celebrities.

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you there are some very you know, real biases towards

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certain types of people. I think in traditional media, you know,

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often there's many female especially artists of a certain age,

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that feel that traditional systems kind of block them out

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once they get to a certain age. And on YouTube,

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woman you know, the other day playing Xbox or something

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on and I'm like, that's awesome, And it's kind of become,

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in my opinion, a great equalizer because to me, I

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don't as an audience, I don't care what age they

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are or you know, any of that stuff. Like I'm like,

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if you're making great content, whether it's you know, on

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a movie or playing Xbox or whatever, awesome, I'm gonna

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watch it. And to me, it has become that equalizer.

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their iPhone or whatever and post to a potential audience

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of insane numbers.

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in Australia named food for Dogs. She's amazing.

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Check her out. But I think the beauty of it

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is that people are ultimately just sharing what they're passionate about,

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and they're connecting with other people wherever they are in

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the world, who share that passion and that's something that's

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much more personalized than you ever would have gotten on

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traditional TV.

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I mean I saw that YouTube is the right after

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Google is the number one most used search engine in

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the world after Google, which is pretty insane if you

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think about it, because that also brings up the aspect

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of not just the pop culture of you know, flashy

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movies or skits or whatever, but how to's and that

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sort of thing. You know, I would never have changed

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my you know. Uh, I forget what they're even called

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the whitebird juice in my car. You can tell, I

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have no idea what I'm talking about. I used to

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roll down the window and like have the juice and

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just like poor it on the windshield and then turn

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my wipers on. And then I looked at a YouTube

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video and I'm like, Okay, this isn't bad, you know,

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And now I can do it. Don't know what it's called,

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but I can do it now. And so it's interesting that,

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you know, that's also been a huge factor, in my opinion,

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in YouTube's explosive you know growth, Is that besides the

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entertainment factor, the educational factor.

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to learn so many things, but I'm just trying to

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install something in my apartment, and the instructions as they're

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written now aren't clear. If I search for the brand.

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I know that some creator is going to be showing

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me how to do it, but you're absolutely right. I mean,

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the educational content is a huge factor of it, and

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I think one of the exciting things is that that

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educational content has become entertainment in its own way.

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feel like obviously that when I was a kid didn't exist,

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and YouTube has become a place where there's you know,

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a whole new I don't want to say generation because

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it's not necessarily generational, but there's a whole slew of

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content creators out there that are filling those spaces for

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those types of things, you know, no matter what it

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is you're looking for. I think that's why I love

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it so much.

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Yeah, exactly, finding your community, even if you know you

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might not know people in real life who share the

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thing that you're interested in, but on YouTube you will

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find that community wherever in the world. That is.

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Yeah. What are some of the biggest pop culture moments

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that you know, you think are notable over the last

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twenty years from YouTube?

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I mean one is definitely Gongnam Style hitting a billion

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and then two billion views and really kind of changing

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the music landscape bringing K pop over. One of the beautiful,

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kind of full circle things is that that Gongdam styles

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record or that being the fastest K pop video to

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hit a billion views was actually broken this year apata

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from Brudovar. That is a yeah, very catchy. But we

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continue to see those records being broken. We continue to

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see creators like Mister Beast really breaking through going to Hollywood,

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and right now I'm really interested in Indian animation on YouTube.

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There are a number of animated series has been Hotel

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amazing digital circus that are building these massive fan communities

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on YouTube and really becoming mainstream.

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I love that, and again, you know, I keep coming

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back to that, but that's one of the amazing things

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in my opinion about YouTube is that if you have

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a passion, you know, you don't need to hope that

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you're discovered or whatever, and you could be in some

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no name town in Indiana or something and get this

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content that you're so passionate about and you love and

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get it out there to an audience that you wouldn't

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have had a chance to before.

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You know, yeah, you can bypass the traditional gatekeepers.

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Yeah, yeah, absolutely, What do you think. You know, I've

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noticed obviously, you know, I have a podcast with iHeart,

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and we've been getting into video on this end. And

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I've noticed, you know, obviously as a fan of YouTube

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and as a professional podcaster, that YouTube has been investing

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heavily in podcasting. What are some other things that you

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know like that that YouTube thinks that is at the

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forefront because you know, I noticed that YouTube has never

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been afraid to try try things whether they may work

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or not. You know, they were doing original content for

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a while, which I had a number of the you know,

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casts of those shows on this show. And what are

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some things like that? Or is it podcasting? Is that

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going to be the next giant, you know, boost with

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with YouTube.

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I think it's I think it is podcasting, video podcasting.

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I think we're already starting to see it where podcasters

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are making news, where presidential candidates are going to creators

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going to podcasts to give interviews instead of going to

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traditional broadcast networks. And because they allow such a conversational

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and they allow a different kind of connection than you

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would otherwise get. So definitely video podcasts and I think

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we're going to see a lot more growth in live

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streaming space. We're already starting to see creators in places

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like Brazil who are live streaming major sports events and

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having the rights to broadcast those. So I think that

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we'll see a lot more in that space.

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I love that. That's exciting. And where do you think

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YouTube is going to be in the next twenty years?

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That is crazy. I think, Well, this month we surpassed

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twenty trillion uploads, so I'm hoping that in another twenty

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we have twenty trillion more or even more than that.

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And I think that we're going to see just even

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more evolution of the creator class, the creator economy, and

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creators as celebrities, shifting what we think of as celebrities

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and what we think of as entertainment.

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Yeah, I agree. Thank you so much. I really appreciate

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all your time. And I'll see him back in twenty

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more years.

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Yeah, thanks so much for having me.

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Thank you. Have a good day. Maddie Buckston, super super interesting.

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I love YouTube. You know I and maybe you don't know,

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but if you don't, please head on over to YouTube

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do a lot of not just the you know, video

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versions of these interviews, but content that you won't find

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on the show on the podcast, like movie reviews and

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stuff like that. So I think you'll really like it.

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Let me know, subscribe and then let me know that

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you're coming from the podcast, and maybe I'll just shout

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you out in an episode. So all right, we're gonna

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take a quick break and when we come back, we're

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gonna jump into the mysterious world of Agatha Christie's Towards Zero.

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Welcome back. Are you ready to sharpen your detective skills

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because I've been buzzing lately about this fresh take on

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a classic iconic mystery. Yes, we are diving headfirst into

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the brand new Agatha Christie's Towards Zero, the limited series

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that is exclusively on BritBox. So it's set against a

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backdrop of these simmering family tensions and these hidden secrets

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at this insanely gorgeous and lavish seaside of state. It's

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got all kinds of twists and turns and all the

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captivating characters that you would expect from Agatha Christie, right,

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but it's brought to life by these amazing actors. And

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you know, the story is amazing and I love mystery,

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and who done it, but the actors are really, really

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incredible and they just bring it to the next level.

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So first up, we are shining a light on the

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fantastic performances from Mimi Keen and Vasan. These two brilliant

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actors are key players in this intricate plot and towards zero.

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So let's chat with them now. Mimi Kean and then

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Joanna Vassan. Welcome, Mimi, welcome, and Jana. I gotta ask you,

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what is it like working on a story from you know,

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such an iconic author like Agatha Christie, and how do

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you find ways to put your own take on these characters.

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It's obviously daunting because you are thinking about taking care

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of so many different.

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Aspects of that.

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I think, like being respectful and loyal to the story

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that's so loved and so well known, but then at

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the same time not wanting people to just be like, oh,

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it's the same thing and you're just repeating something as

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someone else. Is that you know, you need to find

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a balance I think between those two things. And I

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think that you know, the writing and the directing that

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that was what made that happen. Like it's not an

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easy thing to do, so I don't think I could

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take a lot of credit for that like aspect of it,

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but I don't know if I took anything.

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If I took anything, it.

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Would probably be just life experience, probably in the modern world,

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to kind of add a more modern twist, because I

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feel like this was it definitely had. That was the

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main difference, is that it had like a more modern

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sexy energy to it, and I feel like you can

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just take that from being alive today. So that was

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that was my input to trying to stay loyal but

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also make it fresh and make it exciting. But I

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can't take credit for most of it because it was

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really just a lot of other amazing people.

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I think there's a reason why Agatha Christie is so popular,

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you know, with every generation but also with cross cultures.

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Like you know, my grandmother from India loved Agatha Christie

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and she's not, you know, first language English speaker, so

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it's a testament to her characters and her writing that

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when you hear Agatha Christie, it comes with so much

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history and love that obviously, as you say, it's daunting

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to step into, but it's also very exciting. So for

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me it was like as a fan myself. It was

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like a bucket list moment to get to be in

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a murder mysteries because I enjoy murder mysteries myself. So

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for example, that scene where Inspector Leitch is interrogating me,

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that was the moment I had when I was like,

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oh my god, I am in an Agatha Christie murder mystery.

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Like this is the scene that I feel like I'm

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watching myself be interrogated, and I'm getting very excited by

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the fact that I'm in this story. But in terms

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of the trick to approaching something like Aga Christie, I think,

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because it has so much history to it, the only

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thing that you can do, as Mimi said, is to

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approach it as yourself. Because you can do all the

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research into the period and the time, and you can

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watch the other Agatha Christie's and you can do all

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your homework, so to speak. But at the end of

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the day, what makes her writing brilliant is that she

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is really just creating a story where human emotions are

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competing with each other. And I think to approach it

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as in a modern way, in a fresh way, is

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to bring your own vulnerabilities into it, and to approach

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it like as you say, how you would in twenty

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twenty five approach your scene, and that's just as important

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as the costume and the you know, the how you

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hold yourself and how you move. Yes, all of that

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is important, but those are just trappings. Those are just

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like what an Agath Christie looks like. But it's more

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important to think about what it feels like to be

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in an Agatha Christie rather than just the esthetic. And

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I think the fantastic thing about this is that it's

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so it was so well cast and as a great

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group of actors that to do that was very easy

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because you turned up for work and it was a

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great group of actors making it look easy and make

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you look better because you were acting opposite them. So

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I think we were very lucky in that. Really well,

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we found a really good team we did.

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Thank you, Mimi, thank you and John. I have a

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great day. Can't wait for everyone to see Agatha Christie's

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Towards Zero, Mimi Kanan and johna Asun. I can't wait

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till you watch Towards Zero so we can talk about it.

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I just can't talk about any part of it yet,

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especially on the show, because you know, it's like spoiler

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heaven with that, so talk about it on the side,

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hit me up on social and we'll discuss it all right.

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Next up, we've got the amazing Oliver Jackson Cohen. I

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love him. You've seen him give us chills in the

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Haunting of Hill House and the Haunting of Blind Manner

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and making us rethink everything in The Invisible Man. I

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love his take on The Invisible Man. But anyway, starring

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alongside the amazing Oliver Jackson Cohen is the brilliant Ella

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Lily Hyland, who recently captivated audiences in fifteen Love and

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Black Joves. So they add yet another piece to the

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puzzle of Agatha Christie's Towards Zero. So let's jump into it.

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Oliver Jackson Cohen and Ella Lily Hyland, thank you both

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for joining me. I really appreciate it.

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Thanks for having me, Thanks for having us.

493
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Of course, first of all, congratulations on Towards Zero. It

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is so awesome. I feel like we don't get enough

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of these kinds of projects any more, you know, So

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it's like a treat to me anyway, when when one

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comes along and it's so good.

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It's all because of us.

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What's it like to work on you know, a project

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like this that you know, I feel like, at least

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in America anyway, we don't get you know, these kinds

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of like high quality mystery type of things that really,

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you know, literally have stood the test of time. Is

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that part of the allure for for both of you? Yeah,

505
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I think like.

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You kind of have to forget that it's a Nagata

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Christie because it has such a like weight and tradition

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and you almost like, I don't know, dig yourself a

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whole of fear and do you know what I mean?

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You kind of have to look at it like it's

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just a new project because because it is in a sense.51200:32:00.000 --> 00:32:02.720



And but yeah, but I think she's just such an51300:32:02.759 --> 00:32:05.200



incredible writer and that's why she stands the test of time,51400:32:05.240 --> 00:32:07.359



and she's you know, the way she writes about people,51500:32:07.440 --> 00:32:10.920



and this psychological aspect of something like a murder mystery51600:32:10.960 --> 00:32:13.559



and the tension and the stakes and stuff is what51700:32:13.640 --> 00:32:18.759



makes it really enticing. But yeah, I think you kind51800:32:18.759 --> 00:32:20.279



of just have to forget that there's loads of people51900:32:20.319 --> 00:32:22.759



being like this is really important because then it becomes52000:32:22.799 --> 00:32:23.720



scary to do.52100:32:26.200 --> 00:32:29.599



Yeah, how about for you? Oliver? I'm really sorry? What52200:32:29.680 --> 00:32:32.359



was the question? I think I complicated.52300:32:33.640 --> 00:32:34.480



I just went on.52400:32:34.960 --> 00:32:37.680



I what was the question? Oh, I was saying, you know,52500:32:37.960 --> 00:32:42.039



with such a is part of the allure of taking52600:32:42.079 --> 00:32:44.920



on a project like this that it's not you know,52700:32:45.680 --> 00:32:47.880



and I'm a huge superhero fan, but it's not like52800:32:47.920 --> 00:32:51.960



this big blockbuster flashy. It's really just great storytelling. This52900:32:52.079 --> 00:32:55.200



like murder mystery that has stood the test of time.53000:32:55.279 --> 00:32:58.119



You know, well, I think I mean to kind of53100:32:58.359 --> 00:33:00.920



exactly what you're saying is that, you know, good storytelling53200:33:01.000 --> 00:33:03.279



is good storytelling, and that's kind of undeniable.53300:33:03.440 --> 00:33:03.880



And so.53400:33:05.720 --> 00:33:10.559



There is a sort of real deliciousness to a murder53500:33:10.640 --> 00:33:13.240



mystery because you're sort of as a viewer, you're sort53600:33:13.279 --> 00:33:17.279



of an active participant in it because you're constantly trying53700:33:17.279 --> 00:33:19.319



to figure out, you know, with any kind of who53800:33:19.400 --> 00:33:23.400



done it, And so there's something quite enjoyable and satisfying53900:33:23.440 --> 00:33:25.559



about that. But sort of being a part of a54000:33:25.640 --> 00:33:29.920



story like this, you know, as Ella said Agatha Christie,54100:33:29.920 --> 00:33:33.119



there's a reason why nearly one hundred years later, we're54200:33:33.160 --> 00:33:36.720



still doing these adaptations and we're taking these stories. And54300:33:36.759 --> 00:33:39.920



what's interesting about Towards Err it's a much lesser known54400:33:40.000 --> 00:33:44.119



book and a little bit off kilter from her sort54500:33:44.119 --> 00:33:49.519



of previous stuff, which perhaps was a bit more formulaic54600:33:49.759 --> 00:33:53.119



in tone. This feels a very like a very very54700:33:53.160 --> 00:33:57.680



different kind of departure in terms of the sort of54800:33:58.079 --> 00:34:02.599



the back catalog of stuff. And so ultimately the a54900:34:02.680 --> 00:34:08.119



Llaw is kind of this, you know, really good storytelling.55000:34:08.239 --> 00:34:14.639



These kind of fascinating, deeply complex and convoluted characters and55100:34:14.760 --> 00:34:20.039



dynamics that they're at play, the kind of premise as55200:34:20.079 --> 00:34:23.679



a whole of these people who go through this incredible55300:34:24.400 --> 00:34:30.920



public divorce, the scandalous divorce, who because of his infidelity,55400:34:31.039 --> 00:34:33.880



they remarry, and then he goes and spends his honeymoon55500:34:33.920 --> 00:34:37.800



and invites his ex wife on this honeymoon is a55600:34:37.880 --> 00:34:43.079



kind of quite far fetched idea, but also a genius55700:34:43.119 --> 00:34:49.079



setup for any kind of chaos that could ensue. And55800:34:49.159 --> 00:34:52.280



so it's the perfect setup for a murder mystery. It's55900:34:52.280 --> 00:34:54.760



the perfect setup that all of these people come out56000:34:54.800 --> 00:34:56.480



the would work, And that I think is what's so56100:34:56.559 --> 00:35:00.480



satisfying about storytelling when it's done at its higher level,56200:35:00.920 --> 00:35:02.559



as some's kind of done with this.56300:35:03.280 --> 00:35:05.760



I love that, And I always wondered, you know, I'm56400:35:05.800 --> 00:35:09.280



not an actor. I did. I was in a small56500:35:09.320 --> 00:35:13.440



part in Selma, this movie Selma, it's amazing. Yeah, very56600:35:13.480 --> 00:35:19.079



small part, but that was my you know, experience with acting.56700:35:19.559 --> 00:35:24.599



And what I always find interesting is, you know, as56800:35:24.599 --> 00:35:28.920



a fanboy of you know, me being a pop culture guy. Uh,56900:35:28.960 --> 00:35:32.599



it's exciting for me to watch you know, this story unfold.57000:35:32.719 --> 00:35:32.880



Right.57100:35:33.800 --> 00:35:39.119



How about as an actor, are you able to kind57200:35:39.119 --> 00:35:42.400



of separate Okay, I want to know what happens next57300:35:42.440 --> 00:35:46.079



and focus on your character or are you also like, Okay,57400:35:46.119 --> 00:35:47.960



I want to want I want to know what happens next.57500:35:48.039 --> 00:35:48.239



You know.57600:35:49.840 --> 00:35:51.840



Well, I mean I feel like with something like this57700:35:51.960 --> 00:35:55.920



because it's a it's a limited you know, it's three episodes.57800:35:56.400 --> 00:35:59.159



We we were handed the scripts right from the get go,57900:35:59.280 --> 00:36:01.079



so we knew every was sort of written. I mean58000:36:01.119 --> 00:36:04.199



a lot of it was rewritten as we went, but58100:36:04.199 --> 00:36:07.280



but we knew, we knew where we started, we knew58200:36:07.400 --> 00:36:11.920



kind of where it would end. And so in terms58300:36:12.000 --> 00:36:18.760



of that, I think it's it's an interesting one. I58400:36:18.760 --> 00:36:23.000



think for anyone that's a part of a murder mystery58500:36:23.480 --> 00:36:28.199



where everyone is a suspect, that's the kind of interesting58600:36:28.320 --> 00:36:32.320



thing is how much do you show not necessarily for58700:36:32.360 --> 00:36:34.360



an audience, because that's all to do with how they58800:36:34.480 --> 00:36:37.400



edit it and what they end up showing to an audience.58900:36:37.440 --> 00:36:41.360



But as actors, I think the interesting thing is how59000:36:41.480 --> 00:36:45.159



much how much of a mask you spoke? You know59100:36:45.280 --> 00:36:48.519



about masks, these masks that people put on, and how much.59200:36:48.679 --> 00:36:50.519



How much of a crack is there? Is there a crack?59300:36:50.719 --> 00:36:52.039



What are you showing? What?59400:36:52.039 --> 00:36:55.400



What are you lying about? How are you lying you know?59500:36:55.519 --> 00:36:57.559



How are you telling the truth?59600:36:57.679 --> 00:36:58.639



Are you really good at?59700:36:59.599 --> 00:37:02.239



So it's it's all of those kind of intricate things59800:37:02.320 --> 00:37:05.199



that I think his actor is a really good fun59900:37:05.320 --> 00:37:06.400



to play totally.60000:37:06.760 --> 00:37:08.639



I think you just need to be present as well,60100:37:08.679 --> 00:37:11.639



like you like you can in your prep. You can60200:37:11.679 --> 00:37:13.239



search for the end and know what the end is.60300:37:13.239 --> 00:37:14.800



And I think it's good to know what the end60400:37:14.880 --> 00:37:17.239



is because you know so.60500:37:17.239 --> 00:37:17.920



You can act it.60600:37:17.960 --> 00:37:21.639



You're not like it's not a real thing, you know, Like, yeah,60700:37:21.719 --> 00:37:23.599



you kind of have to know. It's like different parts60800:37:23.599 --> 00:37:25.599



of your brain. You can know something, but you have60900:37:25.719 --> 00:37:28.719



to play the present, like and what the character is61000:37:28.760 --> 00:37:29.880



experiencing right now.61100:37:30.320 --> 00:37:30.519



You know.61200:37:30.599 --> 00:37:33.039



That's a really great point, yeah, you know.61300:37:33.119 --> 00:37:35.880



Because like like I remember having a thing before where61400:37:35.880 --> 00:37:38.159



I didn't know what happened in something and I found61500:37:38.199 --> 00:37:42.000



it really jarring when I found out because my whole61600:37:42.079 --> 00:37:46.280



character like development and study like had to relate to61700:37:46.320 --> 00:37:47.880



that because you have to go to why that would61800:37:47.880 --> 00:37:49.960



happen to the beginning, do you know what I mean?61900:37:50.039 --> 00:37:50.719



So it changes.62000:37:51.800 --> 00:37:53.719



But I know maybe some people like that method, but62100:37:53.760 --> 00:37:56.199



I would I'd find that really unsafe, I think, because62200:37:56.199 --> 00:37:57.679



you kind of have to know. But I think it's62300:37:57.719 --> 00:38:00.239



really important that you're just playing what's happening right now,62400:38:01.480 --> 00:38:05.079



which you know why I love Leech's character so much62500:38:05.119 --> 00:38:07.760



in it because he's kind of discovering everything in real time,62600:38:08.079 --> 00:38:11.039



which makes him kind of really magnetic to watch because62700:38:11.039 --> 00:38:15.760



he's literally discovering things presently, and I think like someone62800:38:15.800 --> 00:38:18.760



could be doing the most mundane thing if they're being presents.62900:38:19.519 --> 00:38:23.400



That's what makes us like attracts us to it, you know.63000:38:23.800 --> 00:38:27.719



Yeah, yeah, for sure. Thank you both, Ella and Oliver,63100:38:27.800 --> 00:38:30.800



Thank you so much. I can't wait for everybody to63200:38:30.840 --> 00:38:34.400



see Agatha Christie's towards zero. Thank you so much. Thank63300:38:34.440 --> 00:38:37.960



you so much. Have a great day too. Thank you,63400:38:40.960 --> 00:38:45.079



Oliver Jackson Cohen and Ella Lily hi Land great great63500:38:45.239 --> 00:38:47.800



great chatting with those two and the entire cast of63600:38:47.800 --> 00:38:52.480



Agatha Christie's Towards Zero, which is available right now exclusively63700:38:52.519 --> 00:38:55.039



on BritBox. It is really good. If you love a63800:38:55.119 --> 00:38:58.119



murder mystery, if you love a who'd done it? You63900:38:58.199 --> 00:39:00.159



want to watch this one, believe me, And then why64000:39:00.239 --> 00:39:01.440



after you watch it, hit me up so we can64100:39:01.480 --> 00:39:05.440



talk about it. All right? That is our show for64200:39:05.639 --> 00:39:09.159



this episode. As always, I thank you for hanging out64300:39:09.199 --> 00:39:12.119



with me, spending time with me talking pop culture. Let64400:39:12.159 --> 00:39:14.519



me know what you think of this episode, let me64500:39:14.559 --> 00:39:17.639



know what you think of YouTube trends, what are some64600:39:17.679 --> 00:39:21.119



of your favorite moments in the past two decades of YouTube?64700:39:21.320 --> 00:39:24.960



And let me know what you think about Britboxes Towards Zero.64800:39:25.119 --> 00:39:26.840



It's so good. I can't wait to talk to you64900:39:26.880 --> 00:39:29.239



about it. Hit me up on socials at pop Culture65000:39:29.239 --> 00:39:32.920



Weekly or at Kyle McMahon or whatever, and let's talk65100:39:33.280 --> 00:39:36.239



all right. I love you, I see you next week.65200:39:36.519 --> 00:39:38.119



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