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In this episode of pop Culture Weekly, It's all about Monarch.
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It's all about Monarch Legacy of Monsters with Wyatt Russell
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and Kurt Russell.
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Let's go Welcome to pop Culture Weekly with Kyle McMahon
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from my Heart Radio your pop culture news, views, reviews
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and celebrity interviews on all the movies, TV, music and
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pop culture u CRABE Weekly. Here's Kyle McMahon.
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Nerd No No Nerd Nerd, Hello and welcome to pop
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Culture Weekly with Kyle McMahon. I of course am Kyle McMahon,
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and today we are going inside the monster Verse. I've
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got Wyatt Russell and Kurt Russell joining me to talk
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about season two of Monarch Legacy of Monsters on Apple TV. Yes,
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actual Russell family chaos on screen, off screen, and possibly
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in between. We talk Lego, we talk giant monsters, we
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talk what it's like working together as father and son
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inside of franchise built on literal Godzilla sized mythology, and
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trust me, they don't disappoint. And not only am I
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talking with Kurt and Wyatt Russell, but I'm talking to
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producer Tory Tunnell and co stars Ana. So why Kirsey
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Clemens and Joe Tippett all about this universe, this monster verse,
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and why it works on TV. You know, we know
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it works on the big screen, look at the box
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office numbers. But this works as a series too, and
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I find that fascinating. I believe it's because it's more personal,
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you know, it's it can get deeper into the weeds
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if you will. So great episode today, quicker reminder. If
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so I want to zoom out for a minute, because
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giant cinematic universes don't just happen. They really are built
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carefully and strategically, and sometimes under intense pressure from you know,
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people like me, fanboys who will absolutely notice if a
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single timeline detail doesn't line up. So joining me now
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is Monarch Legacy of Monsters producer Tory Tunnel. Tory and
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I talk about expanding the monster verse for television, balancing
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human drama with you know, these giant blockbuster scale and
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how season two raises the stakes without losing the emotional
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core that made season one resonate with people. It really
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was so good. Yes, we love monsters, but if we
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don't care about the humans, it's just very expensive stomping,
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which you know isn't necessarily a bad thing, but that's
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not what Monarch does. So here she is. Tory Sunnel,
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thank you so much, Story for joining me. I appreciate it.
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Thank you.
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So tell me what drew you to Monarch. You know
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you're an executive producer. Why was this something that you
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were like, I want to do that series.
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I think what's been so exciting to us from the
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jump is that you get to have this collision in
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television of absolutely magnificent theatrical spectacle. But we also got
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to do a deep dive on these character driven stories,
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and I think that that's something that hadn't been done before.
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And when you're looking, we had such an incredible depth
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of cannon and so many wonderful movies from the Toho
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to the legendary films. You can't compete with them. They're amazing.
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And so what we got to do is how do
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we do it from the inside out? How do we
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tell these character driven stories in a world where monsters
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are real? And it's always fun for us to have
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those challenges and we you know, at Safe As Pictures,
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we've had a lot of experience in doing these big
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temple features and being able to channel that in a
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really character driven world was incredibly fun.
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I love that. And you know, you bring up a
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really great point that so many of the you know,
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these films are such big blockbuster you know, but in
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a two hour film, how much can you really get
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into the nitty gritty and you can on you know,
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a series. So the other thing that I think is
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really interesting is the dual kind of timeline thing. How
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did that come about?
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I love that, Thank you.
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We had a lot of fun with that, and part
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of it is being able to give the context, you know,
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the question you see in the later movies. You you know,
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everyone is outfit with monarch logos, monarch suitcases. You know,
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how did this organization become well funded?
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Who are they?
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Where did it all start, and we love the idea
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of being able to look back and imagine what that
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may have looked like, and also not doing it from
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just a historical perspective, but really thinking about the fact
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that humans are messy, humans have you know, interpersonal issues,
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and what does it look like to be the birth
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of an organization where you have real human emotions and
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different wants and needs and different you know, interpersonal dynamics,
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into our present day and be able to sort of
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see how does someone grow over time? And you know,
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if you've had a chance to see season one, we
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also get to see that you have a little bit
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of the Rip van Winkle experience with a couple of
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our characters who have been able to jump through time
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by by missing out through time dilation. That gives us
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all kinds of meaty storylines to be able to chase.
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That makes it incredibly fun and fresh.
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really expands you know, everything even further. Were what were
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the beats that you wanted to like when you were like,
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we're doing season two, what was your kind of overall
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theme that you wanted to hit well.
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We talked a lot about the fact that audiences really
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responded to this story that you know, they came for Godzilla,
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they came for Kurt Russell, and they were delighted with
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what they got from those stories, but they also really
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responded to this idea of seeing this smaller, intimate story
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about this man who had two families and why did
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he have two families? And we felt like, let's let's
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continue to look at that. We have this title Legacy
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of Monsters, and we always talk about the fact that
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sometimes a monster in our show is three hundred feet tall.
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Sometimes it's a person saying next to you. And you know,
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with that two timeline, we're able to really look at
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choices that are made and what the consequences of those
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choices are, and how monsters in our own life are
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created and sometimes are we responsible for them? And sometimes
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are we the monster? And those are all sort of thematically.
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We look at hurt people, hurt people, and we look
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at that idea of who is the monster in our
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own life, and we all that's part of where we land.
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I love it and I think you've done that and
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more with season two. Thank you so much. To where
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I really appreciate it. Thank you, ton.
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Thanks to her for that behind the scenes insight. It's
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always fascinating I think to hear how something this massive
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comes together, you know what I mean, movies series, How
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do you translate that and make it good still and
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make people care? And I think Tory and the crew
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has really done a good job of that. Now, Monarch
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isn't just about secret agencies and legacy families. It's about
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the people caught in the blast radius of a world
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that suddenly includes these Titans, and in season two, those
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emotional consequences hit even so I speak with Anna Sohi,
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Kirsey Clemens, and Joe Tippett, who bring heart, vulnerability, and
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grounded intensity to a universe that could easily get lost.
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In Spectacle, we talk about stepping into you know, this
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already established monster verse that we've seen on the big screen,
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finding humanity inside large scale chaos, and what audiences can
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expect as their characters evolve this season, because surviving a
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monster attack is one thing, but living with it that
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is something else. Entirely here they are Annasahi, Karsey Clemens,
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and Joe Tippett.
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Thank you all for joining me. I really appreciate it. Hi, Hi,
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nice meeting you. So.
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First of all, congratulations on season two. I love that
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it continues to explore this world that I love being
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in so much. One of the reasons that I think
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I love Monarch so much is that it is it
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allows this chance to dive deeper into stories that we
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might not have been able to in the films. I
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wonder if that was what drew any of you to it.
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I think for me, I was looking to do something
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that was quite fun and where I could laugh on
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set because I had just come off a very serious
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show and so that was my introduction to it. But
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it's always nice doing TV because you do have so
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much time to explore the characters and to tell their stories.
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Especially coming back this season was like we knew each
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other like family, and then to you know, expand even more.
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That's always exciting.
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Yeah, totally.
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I feel like the show, as I've said, it's like
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a Goldilocks show for an actor, because the scenes are
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like there's meat on the bones. It's like there are
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real relationships and real character arts and stuff like that.
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But then you also get to do all the fun
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stuff like getting buried in sand, and jumping and getting thrown. Yeah,
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it's like a little a little bit of both.
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You get dessert and andre.
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I love that.
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How about for you here?
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What was the question again?
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Uh?
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What what was it? The diving?
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Oh yeah, the movie? Yeah, uh, I dove in to
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the world because of the show. The Uh that was I'm.
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Answering the question, right, Yeah was it you all didn't.
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Y'all gonna track a little bit?
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I was.
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I mean I had seen, Uh, I knew the world,
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but the show is what allowed me to really and
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there was a way to become a fan, I suppose,
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because it's not necessarily a genre for me to seek
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out on my own. What he doesn't believe I'm making
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it all up. I know im No, it's the truth.
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No, it's a human story that we get to really
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develop in the show.
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So it's but those those first like those first scripts
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were like really really good.
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I feel like reading those was like, oh, this is
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like it's something different, So like, yeah, I think from
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the jump it.
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I was like, holy crap, this is like something we
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haven't seen before. Because I don't really know of you know,
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another project that has had these big, huge, successful movies
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and then done a show taking place in the world
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that gives so much character development and it's just as
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big as the movies.
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It's not like it's not like it's ignoring the Titans,
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you know, and I mean it really just goes there both,
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you know, in spectacle and story so.
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Ye and then Sean the FX guys and legendary and
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everybody get in mind the show of the Plant because
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it looks cinema like it's the same same Titans from
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from the movies.
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hear season two is coming and you start reading the
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screw did you is there like some fan bling that
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you get as you were like, oh, I can't wait
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to see what happens and you know that sort of thing,
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or are you like, Okay, no, this was you know,
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my next project and I'm going to like, how how
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does that work for the three of you for this show?
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In season two? When you were reading the script, oh,
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I don't know, I feel like I was just excited
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to see these guys like because of the like, uh,
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the camaraderie of the cast.
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I think, so it was just nice to be back
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like on set with everybody. But as far as you
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know how the thing is unfolding, sometimes it's like the
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we're not far enough ahead in the writing. So but
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so it's just like you're waiting for the scripts to
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come in. So yeah, there is a lot of anticipation
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of like, I can't wait to see what happens, but
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sometimes it takes longer than you wanted to.
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was really excited when I saw it like Gotza or
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can Call, like all these monsters that we know. It
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was like, oh my gosh, they're going to show up
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like this. And then sometimes it'll be a completely new
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character that I'm like, I have no idea what this
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is going to look like, and then we look at
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a board or the previous and get really excited looking
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at Yeah, what it's gonna be.
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That was a better answer. Use her answer. What do
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I think a big theme is consequences. We were uncovering
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a lot of secrets and we see what people have
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chosen and how that affects the characters. In the modern
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world and it's like, Wow, there's a lot has been sacrificed,
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a lot has been they you know, a lot of
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characters have made mistakes and it's affected a lot of
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loved ones. I don't know, like it's it's quite hard
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breaking sometimes. Yeah.
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of the characters, I think they'll take away. And on
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the macro level, I think it is sort of like
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what do you do when there's an existential threat? And
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there are really great competing ideas that have been posited
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by the show, So I think it'll be interesting to
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see if there are like team do this and team
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Yeah, yeah, I like that.
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Finally, what if if there were Titans in our world?
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Where do you think?
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What would you do?
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Would you be hiding.
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Something you run buddy?
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I mean, I mean, would you like, do you have
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like a like a what do they call it a
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bug out plant or whatever? Like you would you know,
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go to some cabin in Montana or something I'm finding.
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Like a bunker.
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Thank you all so much. I really appreciate it.
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I can't wait for everybody to see Monarch Legacy a
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Monster season two on Apple. Thank you, Na, Kirsy and Joe.
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Season two of Monarch Legacy of Monsters continues to expand
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the Monster Verse in ways that feel bigger but also smaller,
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you know, more personal, and that balance, I believe is
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what makes Monarch work. And speaking of Legacy, when we
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come back from this quick break, I'm going to be
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talking to the Russells, Kurt Russell, Wyatt Russell back here
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in sixty All right, let's talk about monsters. If you're
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not watching Monarch Legacy of Monsters yet, here's your quick primer.
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It expands. Let there is Monster Verse, you know, the
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same universe as Godzilla and Kang, but instead of just
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city smashing spectacle, which there is plenty of, it also
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focuses on the people. So Monarch is the shadow organization
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tracking these Titans, who are those ancient massive creatures wreaking
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havoc on our planet. Season one gave us dual timelines
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and family secrets and the emotional fallout of living in
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a world where skyscrapers can be stepped on. And season two,
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these stakes get even bigger, the mythology deepens and the
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Russell family boys become even more central to the story.
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Kurt and Wyat are playing the same character, but in
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two different timelines, in two different you know, two different ages.
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So the show isn't just about the monsters. It's about legacy,
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it's about time, it's about love and fear, and it's
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about what happens when the world changes and you're left
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trying to make sense of it, which is why it
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makes so much sense that I have Wyatt and Kurt
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Russell joining. They are legacy, you know, Kurt Russell from
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everything from Escape from New York to Tombstone to the
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Thing and basically half of modern genre cinema. And Wyatt Russell,
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who has built a career that's completely his own, from
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playing Captain America in the Marvel Universe, the Falcon and
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Winter Soldier to Under the Banner of Heaven, which was amazing,
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and I talked to that cast show linked to that
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show in the show notes, and he's now continuing the
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monster Verse story and monarch legacy of monsters in season
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two their characters journey their character's character. I don't know
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how to say it when they're both playing the same character,
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but the journey deepens in ways that are epic and
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pretty personal. So, you know, I had to ask them
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what it's like exploring a legacy on a show about
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monsters when you're literally father and son. How can you
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get more legacy than that? So here they are, Kurt
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and Wyatt Russell the congrats on season two of Monarch.
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It's really such an exciting expansion into you know, this
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world that in this particular instance, you know, started with
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season one. I wonder what drew both of you two
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these or this this role, this role, these two roles.
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I mean, it's one character, but you know what threw
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you to it?
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That was it?
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I mean, yeah, primarily that was it. It was an
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opportunity to do something that we found out later on
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no two known actors of Father and Son and played
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the same character, one in an earlier era another later area.
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But it was also the opportunity to take a genre
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and say, can we you know, can we do something
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with this that in our eyes upgraded it to a
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what if? What if this really happened? If we treat
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it that way rather than just sort of, uh, the
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really fun of watching uh, two giant beasts, you know,
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beat the hell out of each other. And and I
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think that it was that that it was that potential
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that also drew me.
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Yeah, the chat. It's the challenge of taking something that
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in the past has been probably more considered an m
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M A fight type entertainment vehicle and turning it into
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something that had more depth. That was a fun challenge
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to take on. And I think that we responded to
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that as well.
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I love that, and I wonder if this was for
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both of you. But why, I'll start with you. Was
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there ever a time during filming or watching you know,
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dailies or the finished product where you were like, that's
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that's my dad, you know, a great scene or or
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a great moment, And same same for you, Kurt, that
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you were like, that's that's my boy.
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I look, I think everybody in our family have a
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high bar of expectation that you're like that that has
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been set for a very long time. So when you
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see somebody do something really well, you do have a
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sense of pride that like, yeah, you know, we're good
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at this, We're good at this we're good at making
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this this believable, or you know, there's there's surprises that
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you see that you go, oh wow. I didn't think
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that was gonna work as well as it did. There's
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a scene in this show that I just get excited
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for for people to watch other sides of, you know,
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for me, for my dad, the humor element that you
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don't get you can get to see a ton of.
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In season one. There's a scene and I think episode
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four that I just had me cracking up because I
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know my dad and I know his humor and there's
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specific things that I just know are so funny that
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don't always come out in every movie because they didn't
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allow for it. But in these longer episodes an episodic show,
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you do have a room to play with things. And
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so that specifically for me, was something that made me
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feel really happy because I was like, oh, yeah, he's
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really funny and it can be really funny, and so
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that seeing that was I loved.
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I loved that my.
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Experience with it was was firsthand because in the first
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season I was able to go on I had a
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day off very early on, and why it was working
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with a separate crew and it was the first scene
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that the character is introduced in and I suddenly realized
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when I was there watching it, I was having a
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good time watching Why, but then I watched very quickly
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my attention turned to what he was doing with the character,
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and I kind of suddenly realized, Oh, yeah, he's laying
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this thing down. This is what they're first going to see.
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I have to I have to match this. I have
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to be and I started paying attention to a lot
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of different things, and watching him do those things was
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really fun. It was like, yeah, he's he's doing this
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is Oh yeah, that's a good idea.
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That's good.
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That's really well done. And I was like, okay, I
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I I you know, I don't have to I don't
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have to play ball here.
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I love that.
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I love both of you in this and everything that
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you've done. I can't wait for everybody to see Monarch
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Legacy Monster season two so I can start talking about
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it to people.
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Thank you, thank you, yeah, thank you, guys.
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Have a good deck. Curt and Wyatt Russell, Why and
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Kurt Russell, thank you so much to them for joining me.
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Season two of Monarch Legacy of Monsters is streaming right now.
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On Apple TV. And if you're in the grounded sci
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fi with giant monsters and emotional weight and an occasional
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skyscraper issue, this series is for you. I really do
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love it all right. That's this episode for pop Culture Weekly.
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