Judy Blume, Rachel McAdams & Are You There, God? It's Me Margaret! Plus Disney V. Florida

100:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,400In this episode of Pop Culture Weekly, Dominic Patton, senior editor of Deadline Hollywood200:00:05,400 --> 00:00:10,600comes on to talk about what the fuck is going on with Disney and Florida and Rachel300:00:10,600 --> 00:00:15,200Mick Adams and the cast of "Are You There, God, It's Me, Margaret, Including Judy, Mother400:00:15,200 --> 00:00:17,800Effendale, Let's Go!"500:00:17,800 --> 00:00:22,440Welcome to Pop Culture Weekly with Kyle McMahon from My Heart Radio.600:00:22,440 --> 00:00:28,800Your Pop Culture News, Views, Reviews and Celebrity Interviews on all the movies, TV,700:00:28,800 --> 00:00:31,960Music and Pop Culture You Crave Weekly.800:00:31,960 --> 00:00:35,480Here's Kyle McMahon.900:00:35,480 --> 00:00:38,080Welcome to Pop Culture Weekly with Kyle McMahon.1000:00:38,080 --> 00:00:42,640I of course am Kyle McMahon and we have an awesome show this week.1100:00:42,640 --> 00:00:48,120I'm really excited because we have interviews with Judy Bloom herself and the cast of "Are1200:00:48,120 --> 00:00:54,680You There, God, It's Me, Margaret" and I have very special guest, Dominic Patton, senior1300:00:54,680 --> 00:01:00,240editor at Deadline Hollywood.1400:01:00,240 --> 00:01:02,040Oh my God, Kyle, thank you so much for having me.1500:01:02,040 --> 00:01:07,320Of course, it is a pleasure and I love when I get to talk to other people in the industry1600:01:07,320 --> 00:01:14,000about, especially about cool things that are, or I guess, sometimes not cool things that1700:01:14,000 --> 00:01:15,760are going on.1800:01:15,760 --> 00:01:17,560Give me a little bit if you don't mind.1900:01:17,560 --> 00:01:21,760What do you do as senior editor at Deadline Hollywood?2000:01:21,760 --> 00:01:25,360Well, I have to be honest without trying to blow my own trumpet too hard, it's kind of2100:01:25,360 --> 00:01:26,360what I don't do.2200:01:26,360 --> 00:01:31,760I've been at Deadline now for about 11 years when Nikki Fink or not long after she first2300:01:31,760 --> 00:01:38,680started it and the way the site has evolved and has become the most powerful trade publication2400:01:38,680 --> 00:01:42,680in the industry and one of the most recognized, of course.2500:01:42,680 --> 00:01:48,600What I do is I'm in a really lucky position and I often compare myself to kind of like,2600:01:48,600 --> 00:01:50,880I'm a floater in a sense.2700:01:50,880 --> 00:01:55,560I guess in a way that works out best for me because what I'm able to do is take my background2800:01:55,560 --> 00:02:01,200as a political reporter, as a music reporter, as a TV host and the TV producer and all these2900:02:01,200 --> 00:02:02,200other things.3000:02:02,200 --> 00:02:06,720I'm able to bring all that and take some of my own skills in terms of our legal coverage3100:02:06,720 --> 00:02:10,840in terms of our political coverage, in terms of our labor coverage, in terms of our business3200:02:10,840 --> 00:02:15,040and executive coverage because the fact of the matter is that's why they call it show3300:02:15,040 --> 00:02:16,840business and not show friends.3400:02:16,840 --> 00:02:23,000And I think that a lot of that is I'm able to bring that together and kind of take a full3500:02:23,000 --> 00:02:25,560approach to the kind of stories we do.3600:02:25,560 --> 00:02:31,520Deadline is a multi-headed beast and led by Mike Fleming and Nelly and Riva, our co-editors3700:02:31,520 --> 00:02:36,280and chief, we've developed ways in which we are not only seen as the best and the most3800:02:36,280 --> 00:02:40,120reliable in the industry, but in many ways the most innovative.3900:02:40,120 --> 00:02:44,800We try to take approaches at stories that look at the, that appreciate the intelligence4000:02:44,800 --> 00:02:48,760of our readership, appreciate the curiosity of our readership and remind ourselves4100:02:48,760 --> 00:02:54,880always that our core readership is really those 25,000 people who are really the, the, the,4200:02:54,880 --> 00:02:58,840the, the, the, you know, the deciders in the entertainment industry and the media industry.4300:02:58,840 --> 00:03:01,000And, you know, we've been pretty good at it.4400:03:01,000 --> 00:03:07,280Yeah, yeah, I'd say I was talking to last episode that, because somebody asked me, you4500:03:07,280 --> 00:03:08,880know, where do you get your news?4600:03:08,880 --> 00:03:13,400And I said, you know, friends in the industry and press releases, as you know, we get eight4700:03:13,400 --> 00:03:17,480billion of them a day and, you know, all kinds of different sources.4800:03:17,480 --> 00:03:23,640One of my go to sources multiple times throughout the day is deadline.com.4900:03:23,640 --> 00:03:30,360I mean, it is breaking news for the industry and it's 24/7.5000:03:30,360 --> 00:03:36,600If something's breaking, deadline is on it with great in depth reporting and you know, it's5100:03:36,600 --> 00:03:42,320just it is for me and for, you know, everybody in this industry, an industry Bible.5200:03:42,320 --> 00:03:45,440God, I mean, I'll put my hand on that Bible, pal.5300:03:45,440 --> 00:03:46,800You don't have a problem with that for me.5400:03:46,800 --> 00:03:51,880Yeah, but we really appreciate that because you know, I mean, the thing is news is about flow5500:03:51,880 --> 00:03:52,880nowadays.5600:03:52,880 --> 00:03:55,840It's, you know, back in the day when you pick up the newspaper in the morning and read5700:03:55,840 --> 00:03:59,080about what happened yesterday or even look on cable news and what have you, you know, what's5800:03:59,080 --> 00:04:04,680remarkable in the digital era is the time lags between things happening and between things5900:04:04,680 --> 00:04:09,000being reported and social media is obviously huge a part of this as it is for our coverage.6000:04:09,000 --> 00:04:12,800Anyways, you know, that time lag is greatly shortened and compressed now.6100:04:12,800 --> 00:04:18,240So we're, you know, for us, it's not about being first, though first is great.6200:04:18,240 --> 00:04:24,320It's about being best and it's about making sure that our readers get reliable insight,6300:04:24,320 --> 00:04:28,520insightful information on what is really happening on our industry.6400:04:28,520 --> 00:04:31,080So that might be anything from, you know, company layoffs.6500:04:31,080 --> 00:04:35,080We can actually get very specific and get quite granular about where that's happening6600:04:35,080 --> 00:04:39,200to hires, to pilots, to new things, to deals and all that kind of stuff.6700:04:39,200 --> 00:04:43,120And then all the other things that put our industry together from Wall Street, the main6800:04:43,120 --> 00:04:47,200street to all the lawyers on the 35th floor of their skyscrapers.6900:04:47,200 --> 00:04:51,120I mean, that's where that's where the media industry really gets made.7000:04:51,120 --> 00:04:55,080That's where a lot of what happens really goes down and we make sure to have a spotlight7100:04:55,080 --> 00:04:56,560on it each and every day.7200:04:56,560 --> 00:04:57,560Absolutely.7300:04:57,560 --> 00:04:58,560And it's done so well.7400:04:58,560 --> 00:05:04,000It's, I mean, it was what 2006 that would, that's one deadline officially started.7500:05:04,000 --> 00:05:06,000Yeah, 2006, 2007.7600:05:06,000 --> 00:05:10,840I mean, Nikki Fink started it kind of as a, it was almost like a, a byproduct of a column7700:05:10,840 --> 00:05:15,200she had in one of the LA freebie newspapers.7800:05:15,200 --> 00:05:20,200But you know, she bought a website because, you know, it was like 10 bucks in 2006 or whatever.7900:05:20,200 --> 00:05:21,360And just started that off.8000:05:21,360 --> 00:05:25,760And then as, as she got, you know, Penske media got involved and then we got more staff8100:05:25,760 --> 00:05:26,760and not too long afterwards.8200:05:26,760 --> 00:05:28,800I and a couple other people came on.8300:05:28,800 --> 00:05:31,840You know, we were a little kind of hard pirate crew of about six for a while.8400:05:31,840 --> 00:05:35,280And now we've expanded and expanded and expanded and we have international teams.8500:05:35,280 --> 00:05:37,920We have, you know, we're by coastal, obviously.8600:05:37,920 --> 00:05:40,080You know, deadlines reach as far.8700:05:40,080 --> 00:05:45,280And the great thing is in digital media, you can always keep the conversation going.8800:05:45,280 --> 00:05:51,720And as since digital media is in some ways, it is the step sister, step brother of radio.8900:05:51,720 --> 00:05:53,880Because the conversation never has to stop.9000:05:53,880 --> 00:05:55,600It only stops if you want it to.9100:05:55,600 --> 00:05:59,120And as you know, Kyle, in our business, that conversation never stops.9200:05:59,120 --> 00:06:00,120Right.9300:06:00,120 --> 00:06:01,120Yes.9400:06:01,120 --> 00:06:06,320And the one that is that breaking news, I love it.9500:06:06,320 --> 00:06:07,480Well, we appreciate that.9600:06:07,480 --> 00:06:08,800We appreciate that, my friend.9700:06:08,800 --> 00:06:09,800Of course.9800:06:09,800 --> 00:06:14,640So today I have later, I'll be talking with Judy Bloom.9900:06:14,640 --> 00:06:15,840We'll be presenting those interviews.10000:06:15,840 --> 00:06:18,920Judy Bloom, Rachel McAdams, the cast of, are you there?10100:06:18,920 --> 00:06:19,920God, it's me, Margaret.10200:06:19,920 --> 00:06:24,480But I thought what was interesting, one of the things that I said to Judy Bloom is that10300:06:24,480 --> 00:06:32,840I love 50 years later that this is now becoming a film because, you know, what I had said,10400:06:32,840 --> 00:06:39,320there was much harder to ban a film, you know, for a local government to ban a film than10500:06:39,320 --> 00:06:45,320it is a book because, you know, her book, many, many of her books, and in fact, many books10600:06:45,320 --> 00:06:49,680in America today for some reason are getting banned.10700:06:49,680 --> 00:06:55,900And then you, you know, that brings us to the broader point of this week today, in fact,10800:06:55,900 --> 00:06:58,200depending on, you know, when they're listening.10900:06:58,200 --> 00:07:04,680Disney is suing Governor Ron DeSantis in, you know, the governor of Florida.11000:07:04,680 --> 00:07:07,880Give me that info, what you know so far.11100:07:07,880 --> 00:07:13,960Well, look, I mean, what's going on in Florida has been a long brewing situation now between11200:07:13,960 --> 00:07:19,640Disney and the Sunshine State governor who clearly has presidential ambitions.11300:07:19,640 --> 00:07:23,600Whether that was successful or not, I mean, I can do math and the polls don't show they're11400:07:23,600 --> 00:07:29,720going to be, but he feels like he's got himself, he feels like he's got himself a pretty steady11500:07:29,720 --> 00:07:30,720target.11600:07:30,720 --> 00:07:37,360He goes after Disney for basically this all started last year.11700:07:37,360 --> 00:07:41,240When Bob Schaepack was the head of Disney, but not Bob Eiger who used to be and is now11800:07:41,240 --> 00:07:46,120back, Bob Schaepack is, Bob Schaepack pretty conservative guy, you know, pretty conservative.11900:07:46,120 --> 00:07:52,440And Ron Santos and the legislature in Florida, which is entirely Republican control, basically12000:07:52,440 --> 00:07:55,560brought in a law that's called the Don't Say the Game Law.12100:07:55,560 --> 00:08:00,640And it had to do with ways in which discussions of gender and identity could be discussed in12200:08:00,640 --> 00:08:04,640the elementary school system and now kind of going up into other levels of education in12300:08:04,640 --> 00:08:05,760the state.12400:08:05,760 --> 00:08:10,640And a lot of people, and in my opinion, incredibly rightly so, looked at this and said, well,12500:08:10,640 --> 00:08:15,600a, it's a blatant form of discrimination, b, it's a blatant form of political pandering12600:08:15,600 --> 00:08:20,440to the mega base and see, it's just wrong on a moral level.12700:08:20,440 --> 00:08:24,640And Disney, which has had, you know, they had the Disney pride parades and days and has a12800:08:24,640 --> 00:08:29,320very, has had a very, I would say, organic and holistic attitude towards the gay and lesbian12900:08:29,320 --> 00:08:33,960community for a number of years and one in which they are perfectly aware that members of13000:08:33,960 --> 00:08:37,240that community are paying customers of theirs.13100:08:37,240 --> 00:08:39,200And you know, as they say, the customer is always right.13200:08:39,200 --> 00:08:43,760So you want to make sure that you don't lose money in doing, in doing these things.13300:08:43,760 --> 00:08:47,200Disney were oddly silent about this law.13400:08:47,200 --> 00:08:52,720And a number of people within Disney, as we wrote about it at the time, started to protest13500:08:52,720 --> 00:08:56,440with Mr. Shepack and some of his high command at the time.13600:08:56,440 --> 00:09:00,600And then what led to what was a series of basically political pratfalls with Disney kind13700:09:00,600 --> 00:09:05,240of wrapping themselves in different contortions and proportions to say, well, we're against this,13800:09:05,240 --> 00:09:06,240but we didn't want to bring it up.13900:09:06,240 --> 00:09:08,760And now we are going to bring it up and so on and so on.14000:09:08,760 --> 00:09:12,120And De Santos had a field day with this because this was a corporate face plan.14100:09:12,120 --> 00:09:18,240So he knocked them around like a cat with a mouse or with a ball of kitty, sort of catnik.14200:09:18,240 --> 00:09:19,400It was good for him.14300:09:19,400 --> 00:09:20,720It was great for him.14400:09:20,720 --> 00:09:23,440And then things changed a little bit in Disney.14500:09:23,440 --> 00:09:24,440And Bob Iger came back.14600:09:24,440 --> 00:09:27,240And Bob Iger, smooth operator.14700:09:27,240 --> 00:09:30,160And that's just because I love to always quote a shut-down song if I can.14800:09:30,160 --> 00:09:37,400So he comes in suddenly, Ron De Santos's bully tactics, but Iger pushes back a little14900:09:37,400 --> 00:09:38,400bit.15000:09:38,400 --> 00:09:42,760And then he comes back on De Santos, sort of kind of trying to wrap Disney in the flag of a15100:09:42,760 --> 00:09:47,640woke corporation who aren't interested in true American values, et cetera, et cetera.15200:09:47,640 --> 00:09:52,120And De Santos, let's be clear, Disney is the biggest private employer in the state of15300:09:52,120 --> 00:09:53,120Florida.15400:09:53,120 --> 00:09:59,680And they have had a massive economic presence in around Orlando for decades since Disney15500:09:59,680 --> 00:10:03,920World opened in about 50 years ago.15600:10:03,920 --> 00:10:13,140So this led to a conflict. And that conflict really came down to what's known as the tax15700:10:13,140 --> 00:10:17,040district jurisdiction of Disney, which for a variety of reasons.15800:10:17,040 --> 00:10:20,880And I won't go into this because I know listeners love nothing more than talking about tax15900:10:20,880 --> 00:10:21,880codes.16000:10:21,880 --> 00:10:27,120Basically, Disney had a kind of carve out zone where they kind of were in charge of themselves.16100:10:27,120 --> 00:10:30,120They were like their own little fiefdom within the state of Florida.16200:10:30,120 --> 00:10:34,840And I know people who've driven in Bindelville, to Orlando, as you drive towards Orlando, Florida16300:10:34,840 --> 00:10:36,680does not have state tax.16400:10:36,680 --> 00:10:39,960So, thingo, roads aren't so great in many places.16500:10:39,960 --> 00:10:41,720But then you get close to Orlando.16600:10:41,720 --> 00:10:42,720Roads are very nice.16700:10:42,720 --> 00:10:43,920Boads are great.16800:10:43,920 --> 00:10:48,040And a lot of the electrical outlets, not electrical outlets, the electrical towers suddenly16900:10:48,040 --> 00:10:51,320take the shape of a certain mouse is silhouette.17000:10:51,320 --> 00:10:53,400Very beautiful, great branding.17100:10:53,400 --> 00:10:56,800That's part of the control that Disney had had over this jurisdiction for a number of17200:10:56,800 --> 00:10:57,800years.17300:10:57,800 --> 00:11:02,120And he says, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, your boards out.17400:11:02,120 --> 00:11:04,360My boards in were in control.17500:11:04,360 --> 00:11:07,640Igar push his back a little bit and he's like, I don't care what you guys say.17600:11:07,640 --> 00:11:08,640And that all happens.17700:11:08,640 --> 00:11:11,720And it looks like Rhonda Center, he's still living a knockout punched to Disney.17800:11:11,720 --> 00:11:14,080He's put the mouse down.17900:11:14,080 --> 00:11:16,080Not so fast.18000:11:16,080 --> 00:11:22,960Then it turns out that in the dying hours of the previous boards regime, entirely following18100:11:22,960 --> 00:11:27,320the laws that they were supposed to, with public notices in the Orlando Sentinel paper18200:11:27,320 --> 00:11:32,800and notifications of this, that board had a meeting and that board made an agreement with18300:11:32,800 --> 00:11:38,680Disney that essentially handed them all of the control back again.18400:11:38,680 --> 00:11:41,160The Santos is new board.18500:11:41,160 --> 00:11:45,200Not saying they're the sharpest tax in the shed, but I'm not saying they're not.18600:11:45,200 --> 00:11:48,560Didn't seem to know this had happened until weeks later.18700:11:48,560 --> 00:11:50,600And clearly the governor did not.18800:11:50,600 --> 00:11:55,440And suddenly, old mentors in now political rivals like Donald Trump, they're knocking18900:11:55,440 --> 00:11:59,960Rhonda Santos around like a cat with a mouse is the guy who got outplayed and outfoxed by19000:11:59,960 --> 00:12:04,920the Walt Disney Corporation major embarrassment for this like so called tough talk in governor19100:12:04,920 --> 00:12:09,440who obviously as we said and everybody else knows has his eye on a White House bid in19200:12:09,440 --> 00:12:13,0402024 embarrassing for him.19300:12:13,040 --> 00:12:17,280And then this continues and Bob Igar himself on earnings calls and other presentations.19400:12:17,280 --> 00:12:21,920Let's talk about how he thinks that the governor Florida is anti business, which to19500:12:21,920 --> 00:12:24,640a Republican and it's like a scarlet letter.19600:12:24,640 --> 00:12:29,040And he has said that he thinks that it's anti free speech and that this is a silly way to19700:12:29,040 --> 00:12:32,640handle this and he's always open to having a meeting and talking to the governor.19800:12:32,640 --> 00:12:37,840But this is clearly not a way to conduct business with your biggest employer.19900:12:37,840 --> 00:12:43,960Now, he also has said, hey, we're, by the way, we're not just sitting in Orlando.20000:12:43,960 --> 00:12:47,560We're going to invest billions of dollars more in the future.20100:12:47,560 --> 00:12:52,800So we are, we are not only an employer, but we are an innovator within that region.20200:12:52,800 --> 00:12:58,360And listen, you go to Disney World and you see that for its animal kingdom that's Epcot,20300:12:58,360 --> 00:13:00,600it's rides, you see the whole deal.20400:13:00,600 --> 00:13:01,960It's the whole Shabbai.20500:13:01,960 --> 00:13:02,960Right.20600:13:02,960 --> 00:13:09,000So the board, DeSanto's is like, this will not stand.20700:13:09,000 --> 00:13:11,840I will not let these people do this to me with their fancy ways.20800:13:11,840 --> 00:13:13,440I eat smarter than me.20900:13:13,440 --> 00:13:14,440Right.21000:13:14,440 --> 00:13:18,800So the board suddenly come in and say, oh, that what happened before is null and boring21100:13:18,800 --> 00:13:21,000and they voted out.21200:13:21,000 --> 00:13:26,560And within minutes, Disney slapped DeSanto's in his board with a major lawsuit in federal21300:13:26,560 --> 00:13:27,560court.21400:13:27,560 --> 00:13:32,080And this major lawsuit is basically saying the Florida, the governor of Florida and his21500:13:32,080 --> 00:13:33,600board are anti free speech.21600:13:33,600 --> 00:13:38,160They're anti business and they are seeking to retaliate against a private company for21700:13:38,160 --> 00:13:42,760disagreeing with his political point of view, which by the way is a common sentiment in21800:13:42,760 --> 00:13:45,760the state of Florida right now, just as Judy Bloom.21900:13:45,760 --> 00:13:53,120If you don't buy into platform DeSanto's or play with team DeSanto's, they come after you.22000:13:53,120 --> 00:13:54,760That's the way he wants to run things.22100:13:54,760 --> 00:13:59,440He wants to be as big a bully as Donald Trump, but show he's a little smarter because for22200:13:59,440 --> 00:14:03,320all his folks in regular ways, he went to Harvard.22300:14:03,320 --> 00:14:06,760So by close to the elite governor of San Jose, just saying.22400:14:06,760 --> 00:14:07,760Yeah.22500:14:07,760 --> 00:14:08,800So he comes in with that.22600:14:08,800 --> 00:14:10,600They nail him with this lawsuit.22700:14:10,600 --> 00:14:11,600And they're flummox.22800:14:11,600 --> 00:14:14,480You can tell they're totally flummoxed by this yet again.22900:14:14,480 --> 00:14:17,520They put out a release of like, this is not, you know, you can't defy the will of the23000:14:17,520 --> 00:14:18,520voters of Florida.23100:14:18,520 --> 00:14:19,520It's like, but we're not right.23200:14:19,520 --> 00:14:20,520We're not the voters of Florida.23300:14:20,520 --> 00:14:22,520The Florida never voted on this.23400:14:22,520 --> 00:14:23,520Exactly.23500:14:23,520 --> 00:14:28,640But in fast and loose with the laws and the fact that you have a Republican dominated legislature.23600:14:28,640 --> 00:14:32,160So to show down, it's a big showdown that's going to happen.23700:14:32,160 --> 00:14:34,160Disney are looking to have a judge.23800:14:34,160 --> 00:14:37,720You give them a judicial ruling that says this was retaliation.23900:14:37,720 --> 00:14:40,680This is unconstitutional and it will not stand.24000:14:40,680 --> 00:14:44,720And I'm sure the state of Florida will be filing papers of their own fairly soon to fight24100:14:44,720 --> 00:14:45,800back against it.24200:14:45,800 --> 00:14:50,320But this is yet another what we're seeing of a new type of culture war that's happening24300:14:50,320 --> 00:14:51,320in America.24400:14:51,320 --> 00:14:52,320And it's a pop culture war.24500:14:52,320 --> 00:14:56,200Now, maybe all culture wars have been pop culture wars to some degree because, you know,24600:14:56,200 --> 00:14:58,960you clearly don't want to get into culture war about something no one cares about.24700:14:58,960 --> 00:15:02,680You want to talk about it's called pop culture because it's popular.24800:15:02,680 --> 00:15:08,720And in that sense, did I think a number of people saw Disney as a pretty easy target?24900:15:08,720 --> 00:15:13,540But they didn't realize, of course, or forgot, is the Walt Disney company has been a major25000:15:13,540 --> 00:15:15,960political force for a number of years.25100:15:15,960 --> 00:15:21,960It is well established in both democratic and Republican circles.25200:15:21,960 --> 00:15:23,760And they know how to play hardball.25300:15:23,760 --> 00:15:27,200Just ask, you know, just ask unions, just ask people who they're been letting go in the25400:15:27,200 --> 00:15:28,200past few weeks.25500:15:28,200 --> 00:15:31,360They know how to play hardball when they need to get their stock up, when they need to25600:15:31,360 --> 00:15:32,760get themselves in order.25700:15:32,760 --> 00:15:33,960And clearly that happened.25800:15:33,960 --> 00:15:38,680And let's remember, back in the middle of the pandemic, Disney got into a lot of25900:15:38,680 --> 00:15:44,480a little bit of a scuffle with California governor Newsom because the laws in California26000:15:44,480 --> 00:15:47,840and such lockdowns, the theme parks were basically closed.26100:15:47,840 --> 00:15:50,160And the theme parks are a major revenue source for Disney.26200:15:50,160 --> 00:15:52,360There are huge revenue source for them.26300:15:52,360 --> 00:15:53,360And that was really hurting them.26400:15:53,360 --> 00:15:56,760And they were, they felt they were trying to bend over backwards to meet him and they felt26500:15:56,760 --> 00:15:59,920the state kept moving the goal post and making it harder and harder.26600:15:59,920 --> 00:16:03,720And it became a real battle, you know, and this is like, you don't expect that.26700:16:03,720 --> 00:16:04,720But that happened.26800:16:04,720 --> 00:16:09,920Let's at least say it this way, Disney are an equal opportunist corporate survivor.26900:16:09,920 --> 00:16:15,400Ron Santos has seemed to have put himself in some serious Mickey Mouse quicks sand.27000:16:15,400 --> 00:16:19,280Or as we said in the story we did on this and on it on this, it looks like the house of27100:16:19,280 --> 00:16:24,280mouse took the white gloves off and they wanted to show we're not playing around.27200:16:24,280 --> 00:16:26,800But I think that this, we're going to see a lot more of this.27300:16:26,800 --> 00:16:28,880This is presidential politics.27400:16:28,880 --> 00:16:34,800This is playing to the base of who your base are on the left right or the center.27500:16:34,800 --> 00:16:37,800Though many people don't seem to play to the center for some reason in America because it27600:16:37,800 --> 00:16:39,280doesn't get you the headlines.27700:16:39,280 --> 00:16:40,280Exactly.27800:16:40,280 --> 00:16:43,200But they, you know, you're going to see a lot more of this happening.27900:16:43,200 --> 00:16:47,360As for this particular lawsuit, I would not be surprised if this escalates.28000:16:47,360 --> 00:16:53,400It escalates at a fairly quick pace for the American judicial system way up the top.28100:16:53,400 --> 00:16:54,400Mm-hmm.28200:16:54,400 --> 00:16:55,400Yeah.28300:16:55,400 --> 00:16:56,400And that's actually what I was going to ask you.28400:16:56,400 --> 00:17:03,480Now, there is, and you can maybe speak to this, if I recall incorrectly, copyright law28500:17:03,480 --> 00:17:07,040was actually changed because of the Disney Corporation.28600:17:07,040 --> 00:17:08,040Isn't that correct?28700:17:08,040 --> 00:17:09,040Oh, yeah.28800:17:09,040 --> 00:17:10,040Hey.28900:17:10,040 --> 00:17:13,160So Mickey Mouse should have been in the public domain a long, long time ago.29000:17:13,160 --> 00:17:17,720You know, Disney, yet again, using their lobbyists and great political influence, had Mickey29100:17:17,720 --> 00:17:20,560Mouse's copyright status changed several times.29200:17:20,560 --> 00:17:26,040Now, I feel like with the Republican-controlled House, House Representatives in Washington,29300:17:26,040 --> 00:17:32,080Tennessee, and attempted another one, especially with the showdown with the Santos, is probably29400:17:32,080 --> 00:17:33,720not going to happen.29500:17:33,720 --> 00:17:39,760And it looks very likely that Mickey Mouse will go into the public domain sometime in 2024.29600:17:39,760 --> 00:17:41,320Winnie the Pooh already has.29700:17:41,320 --> 00:17:42,320Right.29800:17:42,320 --> 00:17:46,520But that's not the Winnie the Pooh we know because it's interesting when we talk about copyright,29900:17:46,520 --> 00:17:49,120which again, is as exciting as tax codes.30000:17:49,120 --> 00:17:51,520That's very important, right?30100:17:51,520 --> 00:17:54,200When we talk about that, you have to talk about the specifics.30200:17:54,200 --> 00:17:58,520We saw this in some of the lawsuits that Warner Brothers were in at one point with the estates30300:17:58,520 --> 00:18:01,840of the Superman creators as well as a Batman creators.30400:18:01,840 --> 00:18:06,360And we saw some of this with Marvel/Disney, because Disney owned Marvel.30500:18:06,360 --> 00:18:10,640And the state of Jack Kirby, who was one of the co-creators of many of Marvel's biggest30600:18:10,640 --> 00:18:16,240and most well known heroes and titles, went you create and what we know are different.30700:18:16,240 --> 00:18:17,440So I'll give you an example.30800:18:17,440 --> 00:18:22,440The Mickey Mouse we know today with the bow tie and the white gloves and the suit and30900:18:22,440 --> 00:18:24,160the little shoes and stuff like that.31000:18:24,160 --> 00:18:26,320That's not the Mickey Mouse we're talking about.31100:18:26,320 --> 00:18:27,840We're talking about the steam bill.31200:18:27,840 --> 00:18:28,840We're talking about Willy, right?31300:18:28,840 --> 00:18:29,840We're talking about Willy, Mickey Mouse.31400:18:29,840 --> 00:18:31,760And that's a noticeable difference.31500:18:31,760 --> 00:18:35,360The same thing with Winnie the Pooh and Winnie the Pooh went into the public domain.31600:18:35,360 --> 00:18:39,280We're not talking to Winnie the Pooh with the red sweater because that Winnie the Pooh31700:18:39,280 --> 00:18:41,200wasn't the Winnie the Pooh of the books.31800:18:41,200 --> 00:18:43,200Winnie the Pooh of the books didn't have any clothing on.31900:18:43,200 --> 00:18:45,000It was full bear, if you know what I mean.32000:18:45,000 --> 00:18:47,480So that's a little different, right?32100:18:47,480 --> 00:18:50,440And so, you know, same thing when there was some of these battles over Superman.32200:18:50,440 --> 00:18:54,120Literally, there were arguments over, yeah, but the Superman you're talking about,32300:18:54,120 --> 00:18:58,600doesn't fly because that didn't actually happen until like about a year after the after32400:18:58,600 --> 00:18:59,600Superman was created.32500:18:59,600 --> 00:19:00,600Right.32600:19:00,600 --> 00:19:02,920He jumped over buildings a lot, but he didn't actually fly.32700:19:02,920 --> 00:19:06,800So there's a whole lot of that coming into play and that's always going to be contentious32800:19:06,800 --> 00:19:12,440because of course, we now live in a digitally connected world if nothing else.32900:19:12,440 --> 00:19:18,360So we rules that we had for copyright here in the United States.33000:19:18,360 --> 00:19:21,680That was pretty much all these companies cared about for the most part, right?33100:19:21,680 --> 00:19:26,600But now with the European Union with other jurisdictions and then you have streamers that33200:19:26,600 --> 00:19:28,440cross all those borders.33300:19:28,440 --> 00:19:31,840Suddenly, you're having different licensing agreements and different availability.33400:19:31,840 --> 00:19:36,120So for some of your listeners, if you know this, if you go just over the border to Canada,33500:19:36,120 --> 00:19:40,240Toronto, Vancouver, Montreal, Calgary, wherever, and you put on Netflix, there's different33600:19:40,240 --> 00:19:43,040stuff on Netflix in Canada than there is in America.33700:19:43,040 --> 00:19:45,120And I'm not just talking Canadian content.33800:19:45,120 --> 00:19:49,280There's like different agreements so they might have this action movie here, but not33900:19:49,280 --> 00:19:50,280that action movie there.34000:19:50,280 --> 00:19:53,280It's not necessarily Netflix originals, but stuff.34100:19:53,280 --> 00:19:54,280They license.34200:19:54,280 --> 00:19:57,200That's again, how these licensing and copyright deals work.34300:19:57,200 --> 00:20:02,880And that is going to become a major part of this because while Disney might be able to,34400:20:02,880 --> 00:20:06,640though I doubt it, but might be able to find some way to extend the copyright for Mickey34500:20:06,640 --> 00:20:11,400Mouse in America, it might not be go down so well in Brussels with the European Union34600:20:11,400 --> 00:20:16,000where they have many things of reach public domain far quicker than they have on this side34700:20:16,000 --> 00:20:17,000of the Atlantic.34800:20:17,000 --> 00:20:27,960Yeah, and they are, as you perfectly showed, they are well versed in the legal system.34900:20:27,960 --> 00:20:36,920And so this is a small mom and pop shop that doesn't have the experience to literally take35000:20:36,920 --> 00:20:39,040a Florida governor on.35100:20:39,040 --> 00:20:41,480They are, they're used to doing it.35200:20:41,480 --> 00:20:42,480We're telling a warning governor.35300:20:42,480 --> 00:20:43,480Right.35400:20:43,480 --> 00:20:48,400Well, because there are people who are going to paint this as democratic favoring Disney35500:20:48,400 --> 00:20:49,680taking on Republicans.35600:20:49,680 --> 00:20:55,160And I say just ask Gavin Newsom two and a half years ago because he would tell you, democratic35700:20:55,160 --> 00:20:57,720Disney took on a democratic governor in California.35800:20:57,720 --> 00:20:58,720Right.35900:20:58,720 --> 00:20:59,720Yeah.36000:20:59,720 --> 00:21:00,720And that is a great point.36100:21:00,720 --> 00:21:05,120And it is something I myself, you know, forget as I'm speaking about it.36200:21:05,120 --> 00:21:12,120They ultimately, you know, as most corporations do, are looking to protect themselves and their,36300:21:12,120 --> 00:21:15,560their empire in their case.36400:21:15,560 --> 00:21:22,760Do you think that this could spill over into other companies?36500:21:22,760 --> 00:21:34,360And what I mean by that is, is this going to trigger, you know, other, let's say public36600:21:34,360 --> 00:21:40,040figures, public representatives, government officials that are looking to kind of jump on36700:21:40,040 --> 00:21:46,800this train in their own way with their own whatever anti-woke, you know, company they, they have36800:21:46,800 --> 00:21:47,800a problem with.36900:21:47,800 --> 00:21:53,240Well, I mean, maybe, I mean, you know, I live now in the world where I believe anything is37000:21:53,240 --> 00:21:54,240possible.37100:21:54,240 --> 00:21:55,240Yeah.37200:21:55,240 --> 00:21:56,240Yeah.37300:21:56,240 --> 00:21:58,600But I don't think it's the same.37400:21:58,600 --> 00:22:03,240I think, you know, I think the Walt Disney company occupies a very unique place in our37500:22:03,240 --> 00:22:08,640culture, both as a business and as a content provider and as an icon.37600:22:08,640 --> 00:22:16,240You know, multi-generational in a way that almost no other company can say they are truly, right?37700:22:16,240 --> 00:22:17,760And the reach of where they go.37800:22:17,760 --> 00:22:23,600So there are the movies, there are the TV shows, there are the TV networks, there are the streamers,37900:22:23,600 --> 00:22:28,760there is ESPN, there's ESPN plus, there's these, there's Hulu, and then there's like, cruise38000:22:28,760 --> 00:22:29,760ships.38100:22:29,760 --> 00:22:33,440And then there's theme parks in France, in China, in America.38200:22:33,440 --> 00:22:37,640So they have a place that I think no one truly has that kind of reach.38300:22:37,640 --> 00:22:43,080You know, you look at Comcast, who own NBC Universal, who own NBC, who own Universal Studios,38400:22:43,080 --> 00:22:45,560who you know, that kind of similar, but not the same.38500:22:45,560 --> 00:22:50,120You have corporations and companies in China that have massive assets as well, but again,38600:22:50,120 --> 00:22:51,120it's not the same.38700:22:51,120 --> 00:22:56,360Like, you put Mickey Mouse on a t-shirt and walk down the street anywhere in the world.38800:22:56,360 --> 00:22:58,360And people know who you're wearing on your t-shirt.38900:22:58,360 --> 00:23:02,960It's like if you had a picture of Muhammad Ali or the Beatles or maybe Marilyn Monroe.39000:23:02,960 --> 00:23:05,480Everybody knows who that is and who those people are.39100:23:05,480 --> 00:23:10,200And I would say that in terms of picking a fight with Disney, the other thing of course is,39200:23:10,200 --> 00:23:15,440there's a very specific, as we talked about, a very specific jurisdictional element to this39300:23:15,440 --> 00:23:20,440that Disney have in and around Orlando, Florida, that is very specific to who they are and39400:23:20,440 --> 00:23:22,640very specific to where they run their company.39500:23:22,640 --> 00:23:23,640Which has been a court.39600:23:23,640 --> 00:23:27,240I'm sorry, which has been around for like that deal or whatever.39700:23:27,240 --> 00:23:30,400That deal was created like 15 or 15 years or something.39800:23:30,400 --> 00:23:31,400Yeah.39900:23:31,400 --> 00:23:36,120Basically, Walt came along and developed land of, really wasn't going anywhere.40000:23:36,120 --> 00:23:37,880Is on Swarthland or something.40100:23:37,880 --> 00:23:43,920He turned it into a massive profit machine both for himself and his company and the state40200:23:43,920 --> 00:23:44,920of Florida.40300:23:44,920 --> 00:23:48,960So I think onto that end, you have Disney in a very unique position.40400:23:48,960 --> 00:23:52,400People are always going to find someone if they want to jump on.40500:23:52,400 --> 00:23:59,440You know, back in the early 90s, it was Skipper Gore and trying to put censorship on records.40600:23:59,440 --> 00:24:03,600And what happened is they slapped on a parental advisory on records and a Stephen Tyler of40700:24:03,600 --> 00:24:06,360Erasmus once said, help to sell another million records.40800:24:06,360 --> 00:24:08,360Like because people thought we were cooler than we are.40900:24:08,360 --> 00:24:10,480You know, there's always going to be that.41000:24:10,480 --> 00:24:15,320You know, back in them, Jordan Heston, when he was head of the NRA, I believe, came out against41100:24:15,320 --> 00:24:21,360IST and his body count band saying they wanted to kill cops and Warner Brothers records or41200:24:21,360 --> 00:24:24,040Warner Brothers or other label that was owned by Warner Brothers.41300:24:24,040 --> 00:24:27,320They got very, very nervous and they were, they tried to drop it and get out of it and all41400:24:27,320 --> 00:24:28,320sorts of stuff like that.41500:24:28,320 --> 00:24:31,560Again, people will find any punching bag they want.41600:24:31,560 --> 00:24:35,320Politicians on the other side of the political spectrum probably will take a swing and almost41700:24:35,320 --> 00:24:37,320anything the Rupert Murdoch owns.41800:24:37,320 --> 00:24:43,320But you're never going to have the kind of foil or enemy or foe that you can have in the41900:24:43,320 --> 00:24:44,880Walt Disney corporation.42000:24:44,880 --> 00:24:48,320And that's, it's just a different animal in all sense.42100:24:48,320 --> 00:24:51,120Yeah, that's, that's a very good point.42200:24:51,120 --> 00:24:58,280And, you know, I think what kind of scares me about it is it is very, it seems very, very42300:24:58,280 --> 00:25:02,960personal here on the side of the governor.42400:25:02,960 --> 00:25:08,360And what I mean by that is, you know, he was, he's now making it that, oh, a corporation42500:25:08,360 --> 00:25:09,600shouldn't be able to do this.42600:25:09,600 --> 00:25:16,800But the three and a half years prior of your term of that first term, it wasn't a problem42700:25:16,800 --> 00:25:17,880at all.42800:25:17,880 --> 00:25:24,080And now you're, you're kind of threatening with, oh, I might put a jail near, you know,42900:25:24,080 --> 00:25:30,280right outside your hotel or I might raise hotel taxes or put a toll road going into Disney43000:25:30,280 --> 00:25:39,120that all seems very vindictive and personal, which is a bit scary from my end because it's43100:25:39,120 --> 00:25:46,320very fascist, you know, I mean, I hate to say that, but it seems very, I mean, I think the43200:25:46,320 --> 00:25:51,440people, I mean, I think to quote, you know, to quote myself from our Disney story, we all43300:25:51,440 --> 00:25:54,080need to take the white gloves out about this.43400:25:54,080 --> 00:25:56,800Like, you know, I don't think Bob Iger is wrong.43500:25:56,800 --> 00:26:02,840When you have a governor or a state representative who is attacking a company in the way that43600:26:02,840 --> 00:26:06,280that Ron Des Santos is attacking Disney, that is anti-business.43700:26:06,280 --> 00:26:09,960You can, now you can paint that mouse anyway you want, but it's still going to have the same43800:26:09,960 --> 00:26:10,960color on it.43900:26:10,960 --> 00:26:12,520That color is not green.44000:26:12,520 --> 00:26:15,000It is a very distinctive, uh, mega red.44100:26:15,000 --> 00:26:23,880I don't think that I think their governor Des Santos is a little bit more small time than44200:26:23,880 --> 00:26:29,240he realizes, you know, he wants, he thinks this is the kind of thing that makes him a national44300:26:29,240 --> 00:26:30,240player.44400:26:30,240 --> 00:26:34,200He thinks this is the kind of thing that gets the base and the voters, especially primary44500:26:34,200 --> 00:26:37,920voters, really galvanized and activated.44600:26:37,920 --> 00:26:39,840But man, you don't want to be going to war with someone.44700:26:39,840 --> 00:26:43,280We're not only you're fighting Disney, but now Donald Trump's taken sweeps at you for44800:26:43,280 --> 00:26:44,280being a chump.44900:26:44,280 --> 00:26:48,240Like, that's like, that's the kiss of death in the Republican party, you know?45000:26:48,240 --> 00:26:51,800Regardless of what you think about the former president and former celebrity apprentice45100:26:51,800 --> 00:26:55,760host, when he, you know, one thing about Donald Trump, he knows how to go for the jugular.45200:26:55,760 --> 00:26:59,600And Ron Des Santos, who thought he was a tough guy, I guess he kind of brought a knife to45300:26:59,600 --> 00:27:04,040a gunfight and didn't realize that Disney and some of his rivals, they're packing45400:27:04,040 --> 00:27:05,040heat.45500:27:05,040 --> 00:27:10,080And so what happened here now is you find him in a defensive posture, which like maybe45600:27:10,080 --> 00:27:14,800like, you know, a Wolverine or something, maybe lashes out defensively, but he's already45700:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,640got himself entangled in this thing.45800:27:17,640 --> 00:27:19,360And you don't want to be entangled.45900:27:19,360 --> 00:27:21,360You want to be proactive.46000:27:21,360 --> 00:27:22,360You want to be the boss.46100:27:22,360 --> 00:27:25,160You want to be the man who shows everyone who is boss.46200:27:25,160 --> 00:27:28,400Now, I don't think that's that position, but I don't think that's a very winning position46300:27:28,400 --> 00:27:32,000for things like, you know, you mentioned earlier, Judy Bloom and Judy Bloom.46400:27:32,000 --> 00:27:36,760By the way, is a resident of the state of Florida has her books banned in Florida.46500:27:36,760 --> 00:27:39,280You know, we are seeing bookbanging happening all over the place.46600:27:39,280 --> 00:27:41,360We are seeing in the state of Montana.46700:27:41,360 --> 00:27:42,360TikTok is now banned.46800:27:42,360 --> 00:27:47,240Now, TikTok is not no longer allowed on government employee phones, many states as well as the46900:27:47,240 --> 00:27:51,520federal government are considering some sort of action because of beliefs and concerns that47000:27:51,520 --> 00:27:57,000this, that this social media device is actually used as a spine device by the Chinese government,47100:27:57,000 --> 00:28:00,640not that other social media don't try to listen in on you, even though they say they don't.47200:28:00,640 --> 00:28:04,320And what have you, that's a very specific, these are national security issues and they're47300:28:04,320 --> 00:28:07,880legitimate issues that need to be discussed by our leaders on the national level.47400:28:07,880 --> 00:28:14,840But this is part of this discussion, you know, like, you know, it's, it's, if there's one thing,47500:28:14,840 --> 00:28:21,000I say this with full reservation, there are out of 100, there are 98 things, including47600:28:21,000 --> 00:28:28,000racism, misogyny and a general, a general doofusness that I disagree with Donald Trump on.47700:28:28,000 --> 00:28:34,640But I will say one thing here about like, these are, these are legitimate discussions within47800:28:34,640 --> 00:28:38,920the context of a culture within a context of taking this culture seriously.47900:28:38,920 --> 00:28:41,160Your show is called pop culture.48000:28:41,160 --> 00:28:43,760I heart radio takes pop culture seriously.48100:28:43,760 --> 00:28:46,120Deadline Hollywood takes pop culture seriously.48200:28:46,120 --> 00:28:48,320It is what keeps the lights on around here for us.48300:28:48,320 --> 00:28:52,560And it's also the thing that is a topic of conversation from anyone from your grandmother,48400:28:52,560 --> 00:28:57,200to your five year old and everyone in between on various levels, very shows, they like,48500:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,160bands, they like, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.48600:28:59,160 --> 00:29:00,560So this is part of a national discourse.48700:29:00,560 --> 00:29:03,120So you want to get a part of the national discourse.48800:29:03,120 --> 00:29:04,600You jump into that river.48900:29:04,600 --> 00:29:08,680The problem is is you can often find yourself without a paddle.49000:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,040My analogy is going up further here than I wanted it to.49100:29:11,040 --> 00:29:15,880But I think you can find yourself in a situation where you're not in control of the direction49200:29:15,880 --> 00:29:16,880things are going.49300:29:16,880 --> 00:29:18,840And I think that's what we're seeing with the Santos.49400:29:18,840 --> 00:29:23,200I think that's what we're seeing with book banning because what is happening is the backlash49500:29:23,200 --> 00:29:27,800that is expected in these situations from the left and progressives and perhaps the49600:29:27,800 --> 00:29:29,200personal company being attacked.49700:29:29,200 --> 00:29:32,920You're now seeing other people who are saying, well, that's not a Republican value.49800:29:32,920 --> 00:29:34,960That's not a conservative value.49900:29:34,960 --> 00:29:38,760That's not, we're a free speech, but like you can't say, well, we're for free speech, but50000:29:38,760 --> 00:29:43,040only for that guy, you know, I'm for absolute free speech.50100:29:43,040 --> 00:29:46,600Except I don't think you should stand up at a movie theater and scream fire when there's50200:29:46,600 --> 00:29:47,600no fire.50300:29:47,600 --> 00:29:50,040I think free speech is an element of responsibility.50400:29:50,040 --> 00:29:54,000I think the first amendment as a journalist is me great protection and gives me great solace50500:29:54,000 --> 00:29:57,240as a person who lives in this country.50600:29:57,240 --> 00:30:00,800But I think we need to also understand there's degrees of responsibility about this.50700:30:00,800 --> 00:30:03,600And I think what's happening for some of these politicians is they thought they had an50800:30:03,600 --> 00:30:04,600easy mark.50900:30:04,600 --> 00:30:06,920They thought they had someone is like, boom, punch out.51000:30:06,920 --> 00:30:09,040I'm going to get all the applause from the chief seats.51100:30:09,040 --> 00:30:14,400It turns out, unless you land a total knockout, you're not going to get that applause.51200:30:14,400 --> 00:30:15,400Yeah.51300:30:15,400 --> 00:30:25,840And his legislative losses with many other things in his term have been numerous, you know,51400:30:25,840 --> 00:30:31,640from their own. So it does give me a little bit of hope that, you know, this, this may turn51500:30:31,640 --> 00:30:38,640out okay and our, and I know it seems dramatic to say this, but our, you know, United States51600:30:38,640 --> 00:30:45,640in, in this regard is safe because for me, it is a bigger issue.51700:30:45,640 --> 00:30:49,280If there is a government that is able to say, I don't like you.51800:30:49,280 --> 00:30:55,400I'm going to drive you out of the state or, you know, do whatever.51900:30:55,400 --> 00:31:05,680But I can use tax payer dollars to negatively impact you, whether that's a person or a company.52000:31:05,680 --> 00:31:11,640I think that is very threatening to what the US stands for.52100:31:11,640 --> 00:31:18,080So I would even say this cop, I would take it, I would say, yep, agree.52200:31:18,080 --> 00:31:19,080Very high-falutin, but I agree.52300:31:19,080 --> 00:31:20,560I bring it down a bit.52400:31:20,560 --> 00:31:25,280If you're taking, if you're the state of Florida and you're using tax payer dollars to fight52500:31:25,280 --> 00:31:30,960Disney or to sue Disney, you are literally using the money that Disney gave you because52600:31:30,960 --> 00:31:34,160they are such a big employer in that state.52700:31:34,160 --> 00:31:38,960So it seems so, so ludicrously counterproductive.52800:31:38,960 --> 00:31:45,000It seems that it misses the point and to be honest, at this point, and I've spoken to people52900:31:45,000 --> 00:31:49,600about this regularly, people are like, so how, what is this all about and why is he in a53000:31:49,600 --> 00:31:51,000war with Disney?53100:31:51,000 --> 00:31:52,000Right.53200:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,680What a Disney done, you know?53300:31:54,680 --> 00:32:02,000How do you think, how long do you think that this could potentially take to resolve, you53400:32:02,000 --> 00:32:03,920know, this whole thing?53500:32:03,920 --> 00:32:08,000I think a lot of that has to do with how well Governor DeSanto's doesn't repel with53600:32:08,000 --> 00:32:09,000him.53700:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,240And he's flying into some key battleground states.53800:32:11,240 --> 00:32:13,440He wants to get his name out there.53900:32:13,440 --> 00:32:14,440He's a pretty stiff guy.54000:32:14,440 --> 00:32:18,200He's obviously got hired some people to help him kind of loosen up a little bit and have54100:32:18,200 --> 00:32:21,960a little bit more of a back slapping type of way about him.54200:32:21,960 --> 00:32:28,320But he seems to be thin skinned and he doesn't seem to gain this out.54300:32:28,320 --> 00:32:32,520I'll just make a comparison, I think, spare is there's a difference between being a tactical54400:32:32,520 --> 00:32:35,520thinker and being a strategic thinker.54500:32:35,520 --> 00:32:38,200Actical thinker is you're going from A to B to C. Right.54600:32:38,200 --> 00:32:39,880That's where you want to go to take it there.54700:32:39,880 --> 00:32:43,120A strategic thinker is like, well, what's up with this whole ABC and alphabet thing and54800:32:43,120 --> 00:32:47,120what does all this mean and how, what do I really, why am I wasting my time with 25 steps?54900:32:47,120 --> 00:32:49,960Why should you take two steps and go from A to Z?55000:32:49,960 --> 00:32:53,920You know, I always my time with the other stuff because my time's important.55100:32:53,920 --> 00:32:55,720So I think that that's what we've hit here.55200:32:55,720 --> 00:33:00,200I think DeSantis been very popular, fanning certain flames in the state of Florida.55300:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,920I remember this is a guy who barely got elected the first time.55400:33:02,920 --> 00:33:04,920It's, yeah, Donald Trump got him over the line.55500:33:04,920 --> 00:33:10,640That guy was like, it was like less than 20,000 votes got him over the Democratic competitor.55600:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,240But to win and take all system, you're the governor.55700:33:13,240 --> 00:33:16,600But I think he thinks he's found a winning topic.55800:33:16,600 --> 00:33:22,040And I think in a country where inflation is hitting people for the first time in decades,55900:33:22,040 --> 00:33:27,520where there's still recovery from the pandemic, where there's a worry about divisions about56000:33:27,520 --> 00:33:31,520the power of China, you know, obviously the war in Ukraine and what that could mean for56100:33:31,520 --> 00:33:33,440a larger geopolitical system.56200:33:33,440 --> 00:33:36,520And just like what's up with the schools and the roads, man, and where, like, where's56300:33:36,520 --> 00:33:37,520that stuff being fixed?56400:33:37,520 --> 00:33:42,160I don't think taking on Disney is going to really get too many people galvanized outside56500:33:42,160 --> 00:33:47,200of very small bases of people who already support Ron DeSantis in the state of Florida.56600:33:47,200 --> 00:33:49,000So what could happen?56700:33:49,000 --> 00:33:53,480A judge could say, a judge could give the judicial order to Disney want.56800:33:53,480 --> 00:33:55,200Probably not going to happen so fast.56900:33:55,200 --> 00:33:59,760This could escalate Florida Supreme Court, but escalate to the Supreme Court depending57000:33:59,760 --> 00:34:01,760on how it goes.57100:34:01,760 --> 00:34:05,480But I think eventually, you know, state of Florida has a lot of money.57200:34:05,480 --> 00:34:08,720Walt Disney company have a lot of money.57300:34:08,720 --> 00:34:12,640And they've done that, you know, if you want to get in the lawsuit, they'll grind you, man,57400:34:12,640 --> 00:34:13,640and they'll keep going.57500:34:13,640 --> 00:34:15,480And, and this is a big thing.57600:34:15,480 --> 00:34:18,720So it's not like, it's not like they're going to be like, yeah, you know, I'll be decided57700:34:18,720 --> 00:34:20,560to settle this and fix it.57800:34:20,560 --> 00:34:23,800No, they're, you know, they are going to stick to their guns on this one.57900:34:23,800 --> 00:34:27,480And I think that it's going to be a long hard battle for the state of Florida and Governor58000:34:27,480 --> 00:34:28,680DeSantis.58100:34:28,680 --> 00:34:32,440And it might be a battle that might end up harming him in the larger battle that he hopes58200:34:32,440 --> 00:34:35,200to be a winner in terms of presidential ambitions.58300:34:35,200 --> 00:34:36,200Yeah, we will see.58400:34:36,200 --> 00:34:38,440This is very, very interesting.58500:34:38,440 --> 00:34:45,520I am, I'm on deadline.com all the time, jacking up for updates on what is going to happen next.58600:34:45,520 --> 00:34:47,720So Dominic, where can we follow you?58700:34:47,720 --> 00:34:50,280Well, of course, you can follow me on deadline.com.58800:34:50,280 --> 00:34:54,440You can also follow my stories and those of my colleagues on deadline, social media platforms,58900:34:54,440 --> 00:34:57,240both on Instagram and on Twitter and many others.59000:34:57,240 --> 00:34:58,240Facebook at deadline.59100:34:58,240 --> 00:35:00,640Pretty much common, not too hard to find.59200:35:00,640 --> 00:35:02,760You can also follow me on Twitter.59300:35:02,760 --> 00:35:07,360My Twitter account is at deadline Dominic, which you know is full of retweets mainly about59400:35:07,360 --> 00:35:11,040soccer games and street art that I love, but also the occasional thing I write about so59500:35:11,040 --> 00:35:12,720that that might be a good place to be.59600:35:12,720 --> 00:35:17,240But the main place, as I said, you can follow us on deadline.com where you'll see all the59700:35:17,240 --> 00:35:20,880breaking news you need to know about what's going on in the entertainment and media industries59800:35:20,880 --> 00:35:22,200each and every day.59900:35:22,200 --> 00:35:23,200Awesome.60000:35:23,200 --> 00:35:26,520Thank you so much, Dominic, Patton, deadline, Hollywood.60100:35:26,520 --> 00:35:29,000I look forward to speaking with you again very soon.60200:35:29,000 --> 00:35:30,000Thank you, my friend.60300:35:30,000 --> 00:35:31,000I do too.60400:35:31,000 --> 00:35:35,160Make a break and then I am back with interviews.60500:35:35,160 --> 00:35:37,160Dominic's awesome, isn't he?60600:35:37,160 --> 00:35:46,800So next up, my interview with Judy Bloom, Rachel McAdams, the cast of, "Are you there, God?"60700:35:46,800 --> 00:35:53,400It's me, Margaret, which is out in theaters today or now depending on when you're listening.60800:35:53,400 --> 00:35:54,880All right, we're going to take a break.60900:35:54,880 --> 00:35:56,800We'll be right back.61000:35:56,800 --> 00:36:01,280All right, welcome back to Pop Culture weekly.61100:36:01,280 --> 00:36:05,640So it is our interview time.61200:36:05,640 --> 00:36:08,120I've got some awesome interviews.61300:36:08,120 --> 00:36:15,440James L. Brooks, also known as Jim Brooks and Julie Anzel, who they are the producers behind.61400:36:15,440 --> 00:36:17,040Are you there, God?61500:36:17,040 --> 00:36:18,040It is me.61600:36:18,040 --> 00:36:19,040It is me.61700:36:19,040 --> 00:36:20,040Are you there, God?61800:36:20,040 --> 00:36:26,760It's me, Margaret, which by the way is, if you have lived under Iraq for 50 years.61900:36:26,760 --> 00:36:34,520This book is, geez, I would say one of the most well-known books of all time.62000:36:34,520 --> 00:36:36,840It is multi-generational.62100:36:36,840 --> 00:36:44,880And basically, Judy Bloom wrote this iconic novel where Margaret shares her secrets on and62200:36:44,880 --> 00:36:45,880her spirituality.62300:36:45,880 --> 00:36:48,760She has a parents that have different religions.62400:36:48,760 --> 00:36:55,280She has grown up really non-religious, but she talks to God anyway.62500:36:55,280 --> 00:36:58,320And she talks about sex and all kinds of stuff.62600:36:58,320 --> 00:37:03,960Age appropriately, of course, from a young teenage girl's point of view.62700:37:03,960 --> 00:37:06,760And it's very age-appropriate.62800:37:06,760 --> 00:37:07,760It is iconic.62900:37:07,760 --> 00:37:09,200It is classic.63000:37:09,200 --> 00:37:12,640And there's a reason that it is as huge as it is.63100:37:12,640 --> 00:37:19,280So the film is out today from Lionsgate, or now, depending on when you are listening.63200:37:19,280 --> 00:37:23,400And it stars Abbey Rider Fortson, who plays Margaret.63300:37:23,400 --> 00:37:26,640Rachel McAdams plays her mom Barbara.63400:37:26,640 --> 00:37:30,760Kathy Bates plays The Grandmother, which is awesome.63500:37:30,760 --> 00:37:39,360It is written and directed by Kelly Freeman Craig, who wrote and directed The Edge of 17,63600:37:39,360 --> 00:37:40,760such a good movie.63700:37:40,760 --> 00:37:45,120And produced, as I said, by James L. Brooks.63800:37:45,120 --> 00:37:49,320And Julie Ansel, who, if you don't know, James L. Brooks.63900:37:49,320 --> 00:37:51,760First of all, have you ever heard of The Simpsons?64000:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,280And of course, Julie Ansel.64100:37:54,280 --> 00:37:57,280Big broadcast news, Jerry McGuire.64200:37:57,280 --> 00:38:02,480As good as it gets, riding in cars with boys, spanglish, The Simpsons movie.64300:38:02,480 --> 00:38:05,080I mean, like what?64400:38:05,080 --> 00:38:07,000These guys are super producers.64500:38:07,000 --> 00:38:10,040So let's start with them.64600:38:10,040 --> 00:38:14,560Let's talk with James L. Brooks and Julie Ansel.64700:38:14,560 --> 00:38:15,800Here we go.64800:38:15,800 --> 00:38:16,800Here we go.64900:38:16,800 --> 00:38:17,800Here we go.65000:38:17,800 --> 00:38:24,160The first one, a fan of both of your works, a fan of the work of both of you.65100:38:24,160 --> 00:38:26,160And this film is no different.65200:38:26,160 --> 00:38:31,400I find it really interesting for me that it is coming out now, with all these book bannings65300:38:31,400 --> 00:38:33,280and that sort of thing.65400:38:33,280 --> 00:38:39,160You have been working on this since I believe 2018 or something like that.65500:38:39,160 --> 00:38:43,800Why was now the time to get it out there?65600:38:43,800 --> 00:38:49,120I think it has to do with a specific filmmaker, Kelly Freeman Craig, who did her first film.65700:38:49,120 --> 00:38:52,360We all did it together, edge of 17.65800:38:52,360 --> 00:38:59,040And then wrote Judy a letter saying, I'd love to adapt Margaret, which Judy had withheld65900:38:59,040 --> 00:39:02,400from making for 50 years.66000:39:02,400 --> 00:39:05,160We went in and saw her.66100:39:05,160 --> 00:39:09,360And in that meeting, she decided to let us make the movie.66200:39:09,360 --> 00:39:16,160And Julie, for you, it's a huge thing, in my opinion, for this to finally have become a movie66300:39:16,160 --> 00:39:18,480after 50 years.66400:39:18,480 --> 00:39:25,160What was it like for you as a creator to be part of this team that was able to make this66500:39:25,160 --> 00:39:26,160happen?66600:39:26,160 --> 00:39:28,600Oh, I mean, it was amazing.66700:39:28,600 --> 00:39:34,440I mean, I read the book when I was 12 and it helped me get through puberty and to know66800:39:34,440 --> 00:39:39,960that it's been doing that for 50 years for women and then to be able to hope that this movie66900:39:39,960 --> 00:39:47,400will also do that in its way and help kids now kind of get through that time and relate67000:39:47,400 --> 00:39:49,080to it and know they're not alone.67100:39:49,080 --> 00:39:54,280I mean, it just, it was an amazing experience.67200:39:54,280 --> 00:39:57,000Again, I love this movie.67300:39:57,000 --> 00:40:07,400I also love that you didn't shy away in producing this from really anything in there.67400:40:07,400 --> 00:40:10,920Obviously, I would assume that's a very purposeful choice.67500:40:10,920 --> 00:40:15,360Was there anything that you were nervous about as you were tackling this?67600:40:15,360 --> 00:40:17,120I remember Kelly.67700:40:17,120 --> 00:40:22,040One of the girls gets her period first and there was a question of what's it like?67800:40:22,040 --> 00:40:23,040What's it like?67900:40:23,040 --> 00:40:24,040The other girls asked her.68000:40:24,040 --> 00:40:28,520Kelly had gone around to all her friends and asked them what it was like and wasn't there68100:40:28,520 --> 00:40:29,520a smell?68200:40:29,520 --> 00:40:30,800Wasn't there a smell catcher?68300:40:30,800 --> 00:40:38,160And she said, and one girl nailed it and she said, "Yeah, monkey bars."68400:40:38,160 --> 00:40:45,480So, so it was just the research was so intimate and you know, women getting together and talking68500:40:45,480 --> 00:40:48,760about it as part of making the movie.68600:40:48,760 --> 00:40:55,000Was it important for you to have, you know, it seems Judy was extremely involved in this?68700:40:55,000 --> 00:40:58,440Was it important for you to have that original voice there?68800:40:58,440 --> 00:41:00,840It was, oh, you always felt blessed.68900:41:00,840 --> 00:41:07,600I mean, when she came to the set maybe five times that each time was reassuring because69000:41:07,600 --> 00:41:12,680we were so nervous about not doing right by her and letting her down in any way.69100:41:12,680 --> 00:41:20,320So when it was she came and said, "Okay, it was like it made a real difference."69200:41:20,320 --> 00:41:21,320I love it.69300:41:21,320 --> 00:41:22,720Thank you both so much for your time.69400:41:22,720 --> 00:41:26,720I can't wait for everybody to see this and you know, they can band books.69500:41:26,720 --> 00:41:28,880They'll have a much, much harder time doing this.69600:41:28,880 --> 00:41:31,920So people will get the message ultimately.69700:41:31,920 --> 00:41:32,920Thank you both so much.69800:41:32,920 --> 00:41:33,920Here here.69900:41:33,920 --> 00:41:34,920Thanks.70000:41:34,920 --> 00:41:35,920Thanks.70100:41:35,920 --> 00:41:36,920Thank you.70200:41:36,920 --> 00:41:40,040I am so like, I'm fanboying out.70300:41:40,040 --> 00:41:45,880I just talked to Jim Brooks, James L. Brooks and Julie Ansel, super producers like Ahus Hu70400:41:45,880 --> 00:41:47,960in, you know, show business.70500:41:47,960 --> 00:41:55,640I love that I talk to them and I love that they have made this iconic book come to life.70600:41:55,640 --> 00:42:03,560Next up, let's talk to the woman herself, the women themselves, writer director Kelly Freeman,70700:42:03,560 --> 00:42:07,040Craig and Judy.70800:42:07,040 --> 00:42:08,360Mother F and Bloom.70900:42:08,360 --> 00:42:10,280Thank you so much both of you for joining me.71000:42:10,280 --> 00:42:11,640I really appreciate it.71100:42:11,640 --> 00:42:12,640Thank you.71200:42:12,640 --> 00:42:13,640Thank you.71300:42:13,640 --> 00:42:19,320Of course, Judy, I'd like to start with you for 50 years, you know, almost.71400:42:19,320 --> 00:42:26,400You have declined, I guess you could say, to allow this film or I'm sorry, the book to71500:42:26,400 --> 00:42:27,760become a film.71600:42:27,760 --> 00:42:31,560Why was it now?71700:42:31,560 --> 00:42:32,560Why was it now?71800:42:32,560 --> 00:42:43,560It's now because the right team came to me at the right time and I said yes and I just71900:42:43,560 --> 00:42:47,880knew that it was the right team and it was and it is.72000:42:47,880 --> 00:42:48,880Yeah.72100:42:48,880 --> 00:42:54,040Yeah, it's such an amazing film and Kelly, you, I mean, from the edge of 17 to this, all of72200:42:54,040 --> 00:42:56,560your work, but I mean you were like me right person.72300:42:56,560 --> 00:43:02,320I'm sorry, I don't mean to interrupt, but that is, that was in Kelly's initial letter to72400:43:02,320 --> 00:43:09,560me and I had seen the edge of 17 and I'm like, wait, you wrote that and you directed that.72500:43:09,560 --> 00:43:11,400I loved that movie.72600:43:11,400 --> 00:43:15,160That was a credential that no one else has ever come to me with.72700:43:15,160 --> 00:43:18,240I was so excited that Judy Bloom had seen that movie.72800:43:18,240 --> 00:43:20,800I was like, why is that?72900:43:20,800 --> 00:43:26,000And for you, Kelly, when you got that, yes, where you like, like I feel like that's a lot73000:43:26,000 --> 00:43:27,560of weight on the shoulders.73100:43:27,560 --> 00:43:28,880I'd be so nervous.73200:43:28,880 --> 00:43:36,080Yeah, I mean, the real excited and yeah, an incredibly nerve wracking because, you know,73300:43:36,080 --> 00:43:44,120yeah, I just felt a tremendous responsibility to get it right and to make Judy proud and73400:43:44,120 --> 00:43:50,920to make the fans happy and feel like this was, this is the book come to life on film, you73500:43:50,920 --> 00:43:51,920know.73600:43:51,920 --> 00:43:56,720And most of all, just really wanted to deliver the spirit of the book.73700:43:56,720 --> 00:44:00,960And she did all of that and more.73800:44:00,960 --> 00:44:04,200So I'm very, very grateful.73900:44:04,200 --> 00:44:05,200I love it.74000:44:05,200 --> 00:44:12,360I think it's such an incredible film and Judy, for you, you, I believe I read that you said74100:44:12,360 --> 00:44:14,400the film is better than the book.74200:44:14,400 --> 00:44:15,720Did you say that?74300:44:15,720 --> 00:44:18,640I did say that on national television.74400:44:18,640 --> 00:44:20,640Yes, I did say that.74500:44:20,640 --> 00:44:27,280And the reason is, is because you get to see not just a 12-year-old's point of view, but74600:44:27,280 --> 00:44:32,520you get to see a rounded mother, a real mother.74700:44:32,520 --> 00:44:39,280And Rachel McAdams is incredible in this role and a father and a grandmother.74800:44:39,280 --> 00:44:41,880And you get to see the different generations.74900:44:41,880 --> 00:44:45,960And I mean, that's very interesting for me, you know.75000:44:45,960 --> 00:44:50,600So and I think it will be for everyone because you've got the, you've got the book.75100:44:50,600 --> 00:44:53,960I promise you all, you've got the book.75200:44:53,960 --> 00:44:54,960It's there.75300:44:54,960 --> 00:44:57,120Plus, you've got more.75400:44:57,120 --> 00:44:59,200Kelly, how does that feel to hear that?75500:44:59,200 --> 00:45:01,920I, I, I mean, this is Judy freaking bloom.75600:45:01,920 --> 00:45:02,920This is my language.75700:45:02,920 --> 00:45:07,400I'm telling, I've been trying to process it since, since you first said it.75800:45:07,400 --> 00:45:12,800It's, I mean, I, it's the most important thing to me was to make Judy happy.75900:45:12,800 --> 00:45:18,120So I'm just so happy she's happy and relieved to know and all those things.76000:45:18,120 --> 00:45:20,120I'm very happy.76100:45:20,120 --> 00:45:22,080But I love it.76200:45:22,080 --> 00:45:25,240And you know, it's kudos to, to both of you.76300:45:25,240 --> 00:45:29,000I was talking earlier that with all these book bannings and all that stuff.76400:45:29,000 --> 00:45:34,680I love that this movie is coming out now because so many more people will have access to it.76500:45:34,680 --> 00:45:40,400Whether they're local, you know, politicians have decided that the book should be banned76600:45:40,400 --> 00:45:43,800or not, they're going to have this story here anyway.76700:45:43,800 --> 00:45:44,800Yes.76800:45:44,800 --> 00:45:50,000And when we made it, we had no idea that we were going to wind up where we were in the76900:45:50,000 --> 00:45:53,04080s plus plus plus plus plus plus.77000:45:53,040 --> 00:45:54,040Yeah.77100:45:54,040 --> 00:45:55,040Yeah.77200:45:55,040 --> 00:45:56,040Thank you both so much.77300:45:56,040 --> 00:45:58,360I can't wait for everybody to see this.77400:45:58,360 --> 00:45:59,600Have a great day.77500:45:59,600 --> 00:46:00,600Thank you.77600:46:00,600 --> 00:46:08,080Guys, I just talked to Kelly Freeman Craig and Judy mother bloom.77700:46:08,080 --> 00:46:09,080Okay.77800:46:09,080 --> 00:46:10,280Judy bloom.77900:46:10,280 --> 00:46:12,040She wrote blubber.78000:46:12,040 --> 00:46:14,800She wrote tales of a fourth grade, nothing.78100:46:14,800 --> 00:46:16,600She wrote Dini.78200:46:16,600 --> 00:46:22,320She is named one of the most influential people in the world by Tom magazine, one of the78300:46:22,320 --> 00:46:27,080100 most influential people in the world by time magazine.78400:46:27,080 --> 00:46:28,080Like what?78500:46:28,080 --> 00:46:29,400I icon.78600:46:29,400 --> 00:46:32,040She's so, and how cool is she?78700:46:32,040 --> 00:46:33,280She's so freaking awesome.78800:46:33,280 --> 00:46:38,640And there's also a documentary out now called Judy bloom forever, which premiered at Sundance,78900:46:38,640 --> 00:46:41,480which I haven't seen yet, but it looks really good.79000:46:41,480 --> 00:46:46,680And it's basically a documentary centered around Judy mother bloom.79100:46:46,680 --> 00:46:47,680Okay.79200:46:47,680 --> 00:46:51,960So actually, it is on a prime video as now.79300:46:51,960 --> 00:46:53,480I was just told by Justin.79400:46:53,480 --> 00:46:54,480Thank you.79500:46:54,480 --> 00:46:55,800Justin, best producer.79600:46:55,800 --> 00:46:56,800So yes.79700:46:56,800 --> 00:46:59,000All right.79800:46:59,000 --> 00:47:00,000Next up.79900:47:00,000 --> 00:47:03,160And finally, the stars of, are you there?80000:47:03,160 --> 00:47:08,880God, it's me Margaret Abby, writer, Fortson and Rachel.80100:47:08,880 --> 00:47:09,880Make Adam.80200:47:09,880 --> 00:47:10,880Thank you for joining me.80300:47:10,880 --> 00:47:11,880I really appreciate it.80400:47:11,880 --> 00:47:13,520Thanks for having us.80500:47:13,520 --> 00:47:14,520Of course.80600:47:14,520 --> 00:47:17,880So film is absolutely amazing.80700:47:17,880 --> 00:47:20,760You both do such a wonderful job in it.80800:47:20,760 --> 00:47:29,440And I just talked to Judy about, you know, 50 years and now it is out here as a film.80900:47:29,440 --> 00:47:35,720And for you, both of you as actors, you know, I feel like that would make me really nervous81000:47:35,720 --> 00:47:39,840to know that, you know, okay, I'm going to be Margaret.81100:47:39,840 --> 00:47:47,040You know, like, how is that for you knowing the history and cultural impact of this book?81200:47:47,040 --> 00:47:53,360Honestly, I'm just so honored to be the one that was chosen to play Margaret and bring81300:47:53,360 --> 00:47:55,120her to the big screen.81400:47:55,120 --> 00:47:59,440And I'm so glad that Judy loved everything and signed off on it.81500:47:59,440 --> 00:48:03,520I know while she was on set, we were all like anxiously waiting to see her reaction and81600:48:03,520 --> 00:48:06,120be like, oh my God, is Judy gonna like approve this?81700:48:06,120 --> 00:48:08,440Is Judy loving this?81800:48:08,440 --> 00:48:14,880And yeah, I relate to Margaret on so many levels and I have gone through pretty much everything81900:48:14,880 --> 00:48:16,520that she has.82000:48:16,520 --> 00:48:24,560And I'm just so, so lucky that I was able to bring this iconic character to life.82100:48:24,560 --> 00:48:27,760I love that and you do such an amazing job with it.82200:48:27,760 --> 00:48:29,280How about for you, Rachel?82300:48:29,280 --> 00:48:33,720Sorry, what was the question again?82400:48:33,720 --> 00:48:37,720Just knowing the history power of this book.82500:48:37,720 --> 00:48:41,040Yes, yes, I definitely felt pressure.82600:48:41,040 --> 00:48:46,960Yeah, that's half a century that waiting to see what group of people would bring Margaret82700:48:46,960 --> 00:48:50,080to the screen and to be a part of that, I was worried.82800:48:50,080 --> 00:48:56,760I was not, I got the invitation, but it wasn't meant for me somehow.82900:48:56,760 --> 00:49:01,960But yeah, just, I just, yeah, I really wanted Judy to be happy and I've heard that I think83000:49:01,960 --> 00:49:02,960she is.83100:49:02,960 --> 00:49:04,280And that's kind of all I care about.83200:49:04,280 --> 00:49:06,400I'm like, I don't care if everybody hates it.83300:49:06,400 --> 00:49:08,840Judy has to be happy, yes.83400:49:08,840 --> 00:49:12,000Yeah, she told me that it's better than the book.83500:49:12,000 --> 00:49:13,000I know.83600:49:13,000 --> 00:49:16,120And that's a testament to how sweet Judy is.83700:49:16,120 --> 00:49:18,200But yeah, yeah.83800:49:18,200 --> 00:49:25,420And Abby, for you, did you, you know, you're talking about real issues that real girls and83900:49:25,420 --> 00:49:30,640young women deal with as well as bigger issues that we all deal with, but were you nervous84000:49:30,640 --> 00:49:35,720at all to kind of go out and put it all out there on the big screen?84100:49:35,720 --> 00:49:36,720Not really.84200:49:36,720 --> 00:49:42,800I mean, I've, yeah, like I've dealt with everything that Margaret has and I feel like Kelly was super84300:49:42,800 --> 00:49:50,280duper respectful and I always felt safe on set to, you know, talk about all this stuff.84400:49:50,280 --> 00:49:59,080And I think that honestly, we've kind of made this, these topics uncomfortable in society84500:49:59,080 --> 00:50:05,280and along with not wanting to have, you know, the talk from your parents.84600:50:05,280 --> 00:50:11,400And I think that it's so unnecessary because we need to talk about these things and having84700:50:11,400 --> 00:50:15,520that barrier is just not helpful for anyone.84800:50:15,520 --> 00:50:20,120And yeah, I always felt super comfortable on set and I was actually super happy that I was84900:50:20,120 --> 00:50:26,640able to talk about all of these topics in such a unique way.85000:50:26,640 --> 00:50:32,760I think storytelling and filmmaking is such an amazing way to talk about things that you85100:50:32,760 --> 00:50:36,560might not want to have a sit down conversation with with your parents, you know.85200:50:36,560 --> 00:50:42,920I think that the film can be a great opener for, you know, the sex talker, all that stuff.85300:50:42,920 --> 00:50:48,800You can just show them the film, your parents can take the kids to go see the film and you85400:50:48,800 --> 00:50:54,280can have a discussion about it without, you know, talking about yourself, but instead85500:50:54,280 --> 00:50:58,600talking about the characters in the film being like, oh, what did you think about this?85600:50:58,600 --> 00:51:02,880How is this relating to you, maybe?85700:51:02,880 --> 00:51:09,120And I think it's a great way to just have these conversations without making them uncomfortable85800:51:09,120 --> 00:51:11,880or awkward.85900:51:11,880 --> 00:51:12,880I love that.86000:51:12,880 --> 00:51:14,520Thank you both for speaking with me.86100:51:14,520 --> 00:51:17,360I can't wait for everybody to go and see, are you there?86200:51:17,360 --> 00:51:18,760God, it's me, Margaret.86300:51:18,760 --> 00:51:19,760Thank you.86400:51:19,760 --> 00:51:20,760Thank you.86500:51:20,760 --> 00:51:26,440Happy writer, forced it in Rachel McGatham's.86600:51:26,440 --> 00:51:31,040I'm so happy that this film has been made and it's out.86700:51:31,040 --> 00:51:32,680It's a great film.86800:51:32,680 --> 00:51:33,680You gotta show it.86900:51:33,680 --> 00:51:38,400You know, as I said, it's one of those films that you, it's one of those projects that you87000:51:38,400 --> 00:51:39,400know what?87100:51:39,400 --> 00:51:42,360Really hard to ban this movie in Florida.87200:51:42,360 --> 00:51:49,960It still actually ranks as one of the top 100 most frequently banned books.87300:51:49,960 --> 00:51:54,400In America today, as in 2023.87400:51:54,400 --> 00:51:58,680So in any event, that is our show for this week.87500:51:58,680 --> 00:52:04,200Thank you once again, Dominic Patton from Deadline Hollywood.87600:52:04,200 --> 00:52:13,160Links in the show notes and the cast and producers and director writer of, are you there?87700:52:13,160 --> 00:52:15,080God, it's me, Margaret.87800:52:15,080 --> 00:52:20,520And special shout out to Judy Mother Bloom.87900:52:20,520 --> 00:52:21,520See you next week.88000:52:21,520 --> 00:52:22,520I love you.88100:52:22,520 --> 00:52:25,680Well, thank you for listening to Pop Culture Weekly.88200:52:25,680 --> 00:52:29,320You're all the latest at popcultureweekly.com.88300:52:29,320 --> 00:52:39,320I just talked to Judy Maaf in blue.88400:52:39,320 --> 00:52:44,320I just talked to Judy.88500:52:44,320 --> 00:52:49,040I just talked to Judy Maaf in blue.88600:52:49,040 --> 00:52:52,280I just talked with Judy.