July 22, 2025
Inside the 2025 Emmy Nominations with Jacqueline Coley of Rotten Tomatoes
Who got snubbed? Who surprised us? And is The Bear even a comedy? (We still don’t know.) In this star-studded 2025 Emmy Awards nominations breakdown, Kyle McMahon welcomes back Rotten Tomatoes Awards Editor...
Who got snubbed? Who surprised us? And is The Bear even a comedy? (We still don’t know.)
In this star-studded 2025 Emmy Awards nominations breakdown, Kyle McMahon welcomes back Rotten Tomatoes Awards Editor Jacqueline Coley to unpack the chaos, controversy and comedy of the 2025 Emmy nominations. From shocking shutouts (Squid Game & House of the Dragon, we’re looking at you) to Apple TV+’s quiet domination (Severance, The Studio, Shrinking), this episode dives deep into the biggest trends, breakout hits and Emmy dark horses.
💥 Topics we tackle:
- Why Sterling K. Brown is Emmy catnip (and yes, we said that)
- The Severance glow-up nobody saw coming
- White Lotus vs The Pit — which prestige drama will reign?
- The Bear’s identity crisis: Is it comedy, trauma, or both?
- Only Murders in the Building, Abbott Elementary, and other comedy heavyweights
- Apple TV+ as the new HBO? Kyle has thoughts™
- International contenders, streaming shakeups, and Emmy category chaos
- And yes, Kyle forgets about Adolescence until the very end and then has an existential moment about how good it is.
If you’re an Emmy junkie, pop culture nerd, or just here for the hot takes, this episode has it all — smart commentary, industry insights, and at least three times where Kyle and Jacqueline try not to spiral over TV politics.
Don’t miss:
- Kyle’s mini-rant about Pedro Pascal
- Jacqueline’s Emmy predictions (feast or famine incoming!)
- The best hour of television Kyle’s ever seen (spoiler: it involves Adolescence)
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Welcome to pop Culture Weekly with Kyle McMahon from iHeartRadio,
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Here's Kyle McMahon.
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So I am here once again with the always amazing
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Jacqueline Coley, Awards editor at Rotten Tomatoes, who we love.
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Welcome back.
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Thank you so much, Thank you so much for having me.
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Of course, it's always a pleasure talking to you. So
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the numbs just came out for the twenty twenty five
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Emmy Awards. What are your kind of general thoughts overall?
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I mean, really it was a great year for television,
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but in the kind of the Emmys this year, it
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was really feast or famine. If you were one of
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these shows that ended up being sort of like the Heart,
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sort of beloved one from the Television Academy, you received
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multiple nominations. Many of these shows broke category records for
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the number of nominations for a show, stuff like the
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studio shows like seven. But if you were some of
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these bubble shows like Squid Game, House of Dragon or
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some of the more quiet comedies, you really were just
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absent from the entire awards conversation shows like the rehearsal.
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Yeah, and that is interesting because I was shocked that
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Squid Game didn't get anything at all, like, yeah.
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Squid Game, House of Dragon.
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And then people were surprised by show like Paradise making
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it in over other shows like Your Friends and Neighbors.
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Which a lot of folks had really enjoyed.
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Yeah. Yeah, there are some interesting things this year. What
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do you do you think there's a reason for that?
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Is it just kind of one of those years.
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In truth be known? And we'll talk about this later.
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HBO, which is kind of known as the parentinal spot
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for prime time, really highly produced incredible television. They led
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with nominations, but if we really look at it, it's
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the streamers that had such a huge dominance this year
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and the viewing patterns of I would say general Americans
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have really shifted. I mean you have HBO, which is
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Max which is a streaming service although it is also linear,
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but then you have Netflix, you also have Apple, and
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you even have folks like Amazon with a show like
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Paradise coming into the mix. And Disney's biggest show outside
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of Abvid Elementary is and Or, which is only on
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Disney Plus.
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Yeah, so let's dive into some of these the drama category.
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What's your take on the nominations and who do you
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think is going to take it well.
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Severance led in total nominations with twenty seven and this
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is definitely one over at Rotten Tomatoes that everybody has
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been sort of digging. Every single season has been certified fresh,
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you know, with Ben Stiller. So I think the fact
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that people have finally watched Severance. Its first season was
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very good, but it was less watched. Now it's sort
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of this cultural phenomenon. Everyone sort of appreciates the desperate
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nature of corporate America. I think we all have, especially
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post COVID, you know, going back to sometimes these not
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really fulfilled office spaces. They it's really kind of hit
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the seis geist moment, and so I'm really excited for
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that one. But then a new show like The Pit,
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which honestly feels like an old show because it echoes
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so much with er that finding its way into the
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drama category winning over like we said, shows like shows
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like Excuse Me that We're snubbed, that is I think
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very noteworthy considering that it really does feel like an
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old school drama that also certified fresh and also had
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at least in my bubble, kind of flew under the
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radar viewer wise and really buzz wise. Was that a
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surprise to you for forgetting a non for outstanding drama?
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Well, I will go ahead and say that I did
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predict it.
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Over at Rotten Tomatoes dot com we have our yearly prediction,
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to more of the enduring love affair that the folks
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within the television academy have for Sterling K. Brown. This
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is a guy who sort of bursts onto the scene
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with a show like The People versus OJ Simpson and
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then goes to cover that bet with an instellar run
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on This is Us now with Paradise because he's coming
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back with the COVID creator from This Is Us.
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decided if Sterling K. Brown is in it, I'm going
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to give it its time, and I'm gonna go ahead
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and commit to this. And it was one that the
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critics also liked. It was eighty seven percent certified Fresh,
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sterling k Brown of it all. But yeah, I think
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more people will tuned in for him and then found
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out once they got there how great the show was.
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feel like oftentimes in major award ceremonies, those types of
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shows are ignored.
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Were you surprised that No, I wasn't on that one?
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The more surprising thing that I found was that Diego
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Luna was left off of the Best Actor in a
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Drama Series. I mean, this show has really lived and
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died by everything that he brought to the role of Kasian.
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So I'm very glad to see that the show got honored,
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but it was interesting that he wasn't.
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So it was a bit of a mixed bag. Brander.
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They've always dominated the Creative Arts Emmys and a lot
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of the technical stuff, visual effects, the production design, so
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on and so forth, but you really would like to
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see them have more of the actor performances. But side note,
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voice performances by I believe Alan Tudic and one other
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were nominated, so the show did get some above the
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lines thing, but again only in the voice categories.
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Okay, and how about the Last of Us? I don't remember,
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and I'm sure you do. If the first season was nominated,
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it was, but yeah.
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First season was nominated, and also Pedro got nominated for
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the first season was well yeah, yeah, it had a
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pretty good run in the first season, but this second
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season was less well received. So it was interesting that
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pretty much every category that they expected they had another
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slew of nominations, and Pedro Pascal, who's only in half
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of the episodes, still managed to garner a Best Lead
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Actor nomination.
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Yeah, which is pretty cool. I feel like everybody loves
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him in my opinion.
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You know, it's another one where it's like, and this
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is the thing with the Emmy's ballot that I really
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want people to understand. Think about how many shows that
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you want to catch that you haven't, and think about
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how many names are involved in those shows. So when
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folks are sitting down to make these votes, being somebody
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like Pedro and Sterling K. Brown and other folks that
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has that really instant name recognition and more importantly, a
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name you can't forget because they're in a project every
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other week that really helps them with voting.
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I mean it's a joke, but it's true.
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Yeah. Yeah. And Sterling, I mean he's as you said,
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you know, he's such an amazing actor in general. Like
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I've never watched anything that he's done that I was
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disappointed in.
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The So who are you thinking it'll go to for
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Outstanding Drama.
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Well, at this point, I feel I've made the show
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to pit my personality.
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I fell in love with that.
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I love TALKI procedural shows, whether it be a hospital
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or a cop drama like that is the type like
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Law and Order raised me an er, like put me
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to bed. It's so, it's so that, But I have
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to see the White Lotus, that those acting nominations really
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dominating those below, those supporting casts, all of them getting noams,
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has to make me think that that, along with the
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sort of virality of you know, Buddhism and Parker Posey
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and the Patrick Schwartzenegger and the snl of it all,
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it seems like White Lotus was just so a part
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of the consciousness that it may ride that way of
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public understanding into an Emmy win.
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I could really see that happening.
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And do you think that it ever And this is
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kind of in general, but using White Lotus as an example,
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when there's multiple people, so many people from a series
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that are nominated, does it ever cannibalize itself cannibalize the voters?
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I mean sometimes it does, but like from a show,
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even like last year with the Last of Us, where
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they had a ton of guest star performances that ended
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up being nominated, it seems that although that does happen,
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they eventually usually coll aalesque around one performance that stands
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out on top of the other ones. And I think
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this year, especially with somebody like Parker Posey, really sort
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of stands above everybody else in that particular show, or
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even maybe a Carrie Coon. I think it's only when
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there's two performances kind of split the vote where I
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think it might be a little bit different. But with
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the White Lotus, I think there's like a front runner
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in each of those categories amongst the cast.
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series there, there's some not surprising series there. What do
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I think it was a great overall microcosm of where
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televisions today. You have network show like Abbott Elementary, you
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have streaming shows like Nobody Wants This and Only Murderers
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in the Building.
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there with Shrinking and The Studio, because both of those
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shows I think show what Apple's been quietly doing over there,
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which is getting some of the biggest stars I mean
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Shrinking ern Harrison Ford his first Emmy nomination at eighty
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three years young. And the Studio becomes this inside, behind
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the scenes, satirical look into Hollywood that anybody who works
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in Hollywood would see truth and kinship. So it's no
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surprise that this, you know, Hollywood workplace drama is the
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one that ends up resonating with the Television Academy.
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I love that.
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which is also a part of the category. So I
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just like how it shows everything you have wacky slapstick
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stuff like what we do in the Shadows, and then
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you have really grounded stuff like the Bear, and they
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all work on this interesting and comedic level.
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What I've noticed though, was all the people that I
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talked to that know it and have watched it are
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in the industry, and I wonder, I mean, for an
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industry voted you know, award that doesn't really matter, but
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is the general is it resonating with the general public,
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have have watched it, So I do wonder about that.
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I wonder about it too, because again I live in
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a bit of the bubble of the industry and all
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of my friends live for it. But Apple has said
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that it has some of the best ratings on the
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platform for the studio for a comedy. So Severan's I believe,
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was its lead in for part of the season, and
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then the studio had the lead in for Your Friends
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and Neighbors after that, and Apple has said all of
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the shows do extremely well. So I think it does
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play because yes, Hollywood's stories about Hollywood, but I think
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what the studio does really well is it's a farce,
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Like it's so farcical.
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It is.
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People think that's what Hollywood people are like, So showing
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them to be that cartoonish is something that even if
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you aren't a part of it, you would still like
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to be it. I've never really followed soccer, but I
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liked Ted Lasso, and I think that may be the
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appeal to audiences as well.
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That's a great point, nobody. I mean, I'm sorry, only
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murders the building. Uh this is I feel like it's
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a celebrated show. Has it won any major awards yet?
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Yes, Actually this past year at the SAG Awards, it
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won Best Comedy Ensemble and I was actually there to
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see the cast that was present. I believe it was
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Selena Gomez, Kamil Nan Gianni. I want to say Richard
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Kine was there, Like, don't quote me on that, but
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