Deciphering the Dynamics of the Hollywood Strike with Dominic Patten (Deadline Hollywood)

1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,759 In this episode of pop Culture Weekly, I'm joined by Deadline dot Com Senior 2 00:00:03,879 --> 00:00:06,919 editor Don Patton. We talk all about the strike, I look at summer 3 00:00:07,040 --> 00:00:10,519 season, and what we can look forward to this fall in the movies, 4 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:16,640 Let's go. Welcome to pop Culture Weekly with Kyle McMahon from my Heart Radio, 5 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:22,199 your pop culture news, views, reviews, and celebrity interviews on all 6 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:26,960 the movies, TV, music, and pop culture you crave weekly. Here's 7 00:00:27,079 --> 00:00:32,679 Kyle McMahon nan nan nan nant, Hello, and welcome to pop Culture Weekly 8 00:00:32,719 --> 00:00:38,439 with Kyle McMahon. I of course am Kyle McMahon, and thank you for 9 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:43,560 joining me. I can't thank you enough. 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I'm excited because I'm talking to once again Dominic Patton. Dom 20 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:32,680 is senior editor with Deadline Hollywood, which you know, Deadline dot Com is 21 00:01:32,879 --> 00:01:37,480 such a huge resource for me and always has been. I go to Deadline 22 00:01:37,519 --> 00:01:44,400 dot Com multiple times a day because they have a full staff that is incredibly 23 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:51,560 on top of everything that's breaking in Hollywood, so you know, movies, 24 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:57,799 TV music, they are covering it with in depth reporting. I love Deadline 25 00:01:57,879 --> 00:02:04,480 and so I'm decited to talk to dom today about the strike now, going 26 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:07,759 you know into it's what fourth started in May's May, June, July, 27 00:02:07,919 --> 00:02:14,599 August, fifth month of the strike, and you know where things stand as 28 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:20,639 they are now when we can expect the artists and creatives to you know, 29 00:02:20,759 --> 00:02:24,479 get what they're do and what happens if if they don't come to an agreement, 30 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:28,199 all that stuff. We're going to cover it all with Dom. I'm 31 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:30,240 also going to ask him about, you know, twenty twenty three, the 32 00:02:30,319 --> 00:02:37,280 summer movie season was pretty incredible with Barbie and Oppenheimer. Of course, the 33 00:02:37,319 --> 00:02:43,439 big Barbenheimer double feature people were doing, which I loved and did myself. 34 00:02:43,599 --> 00:02:46,639 And what dom is looking forward to this fall. You know, I'm a 35 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:50,560 big horror fan, and so there's some horror movies I'm looking forward to as 36 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:54,039 well as some other titles. So we talk all about that. Let's get 37 00:02:54,240 --> 00:03:00,439 right into my conversation with Dominic Patton from Deadline dot Com. I am here 38 00:03:00,879 --> 00:03:07,560 with Dominic Patton, senior editor for Deadline Hollywood. Welcome back. Thanks for 39 00:03:07,599 --> 00:03:10,479 speaking with me down Oh always a pleasure, my man, me as well. 40 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:15,199 So first of all, as I talk about all the time, I'm 41 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:21,280 at Deadline dot com for breaking news multiple times a day. Obviously, right 42 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:24,960 now, the big news is the strike. What is the status of that 43 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:30,879 as of this recording. I mean, it's kind of all blown up again, 44 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:36,800 Kyle. I mean, you know, you had the studios finally reached 45 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:40,439 out to the Writers Guild, who are the predominant union in this the Actor's 46 00:03:40,479 --> 00:03:46,039 Guild SAGAFRO on strike two. But they reached out to them not long after, 47 00:03:46,199 --> 00:03:49,400 and I mean literally a matter of hours after my colleague Peter White and 48 00:03:49,479 --> 00:03:53,280 I wrote a story about some back channeling that was happening between them all. 49 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:57,000 There had been no talks over one hundred and one days, so they had 50 00:03:57,039 --> 00:04:00,240 eclipsed the nineteen. The two thousand and seven two was an eight strike which 51 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:05,800 went on for a hundred taste and they said, let's talk. You know, 52 00:04:05,919 --> 00:04:08,960 is that quote from the Bible? Come, let us reads them together. 53 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:13,479 Turned out wasn't a lot going on there, a lot of talks, 54 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:15,279 not really a schedule. It was kind of like a day here. They 55 00:04:15,319 --> 00:04:21,120 hear that studios made a proposal on August eleven, and they thought it was 56 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:26,839 an unprecedented proposal, and they were addressing all the things that the guild wanted, 57 00:04:27,079 --> 00:04:33,120 residuals metrics, in terms of transparency on streamers AI writer's rooms. The 58 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:41,879 whole deal didn't seem to go over so well. Writers Guild respond a little 59 00:04:41,879 --> 00:04:47,519 bit attention. So on Monday, August twenty one, the studios and streamers 60 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:51,199 reached out to the Writers Guild and said, we would like to meet with 61 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:56,639 you personally now, we'd like to have a talk. And they really seemed 62 00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:59,920 to imply, according to what we hear, that they wanted to make it 63 00:05:00,319 --> 00:05:02,240 like enough is enough, let's do this. We're done, like we're to 64 00:05:02,319 --> 00:05:06,639 hunt over one hundred and ten days now, writers Gil went to the meeting. 65 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:12,920 Meeting turned out to some of the biggest dealmakers in Hollywood like Ted Srrandos, 66 00:05:13,199 --> 00:05:17,240 Warner Brothers, Discovery boss David Zaslov, Universal boss Donna Langley, and 67 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:20,560 Disney boss Bob Iger, to name a few who were in the room at 68 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:26,040 this off site meeting. They were not so good at reading the room, 69 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:30,480 it seems. According to the WGA, they were given a lecture about how 70 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:33,240 they should be so thankful for what they're being offered and come on, guys, 71 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:36,079 just go with it and take it. And the WJA said, well, 72 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:41,439 hold on, why you're offering us or what you offered us as almost 73 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:46,160 two weeks ago reads good at the top line or when you get into the 74 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:49,079 details. They referred to a lot of loopholes and limitations and stuff like that, 75 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:53,959 and that's issues that we need to deal with. And these issues need 76 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:56,439 to be dealt with in a comprehensive way. We're not going to pick them 77 00:05:56,480 --> 00:06:00,240 off as you guys tend to like to do in your negotiations. And supposedly 78 00:06:00,639 --> 00:06:06,319 the studios were adasted that the writers didn't immediately accept what they were offered and 79 00:06:06,319 --> 00:06:13,959 feel so thankful and we're shocked. And so last on August twenty second, 80 00:06:15,959 --> 00:06:19,839 literally less than half an hour after the meeting was concluded, So around eight 81 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:25,199 o'clock at night, the AMPTP, who represents the studios and streamers in these 82 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:30,240 negotiations, sent out a press release with saying, oh my god, look 83 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:32,360 at this great thing we gave to them on August eleventh, and it's all 84 00:06:32,399 --> 00:06:36,079 full of this great stop and amazing and this is incredible. Now, these 85 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:40,959 two sides are supposed to have a media blackout. Obviously at Deadline dot com 86 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:43,399 we have sources on both sides and we're talking to a lot of people, 87 00:06:43,439 --> 00:06:45,759 so we know a lot about's going on. But officially they have a media 88 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:48,560 blackout. Clearly they did not have a media blackout in August twenty second. 89 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:54,240 So this thing comes out, and again top line looks really good. We're 90 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:57,120 gonna give them all this money, We're gonna do all this stop controls, 91 00:06:57,199 --> 00:07:01,560 over all sorts of things, more transparency than ever these confidential memos. But 92 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:08,000 then you go down into the fine print, and oddly enough, the AMPTP 93 00:07:08,399 --> 00:07:12,600 included an appendix which had all this fine print, and when you started reading 94 00:07:12,639 --> 00:07:15,319 it, a lot of these deals look kind of shaky, defining well, 95 00:07:15,399 --> 00:07:18,959 yes you can do this, but who is doing this? What now constitutes 96 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:24,199 a showrunner? All this sort of stuff in there. I'm telling you guys 97 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:29,839 all this stuff because here's here's the punchline. About four hours later, the 98 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:35,360 WGA responded and they basically called BS and said this was not a negotiation. 99 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:40,319 This meeting was an attempt to make us cave. To quote them, They 100 00:07:40,399 --> 00:07:45,360 kind of followed up on stuff that we have reported earlier that you know the 101 00:07:44,319 --> 00:07:48,439 the the strategy of the MPTP is this divide and conquer, hope to turn 102 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:51,920 them against each other and make the writers, some of the writers force their 103 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:56,480 leadership to take a deal just to get a deal. Obviously, a lot 104 00:07:56,519 --> 00:08:00,240 of people are hurting economically, both in the industry and all around it Lay 105 00:08:00,279 --> 00:08:03,120 County. You know, the guy who provides the red plastic cups for catering, 106 00:08:03,519 --> 00:08:07,759 he's not providing them because there's nothing to cater now, the dry cleaners, 107 00:08:07,759 --> 00:08:11,639 the guy who provides lumber for the set designers and production designers, that's 108 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:15,519 not happening. So we're seeing a multi billion dollar blast radius here. And 109 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:20,199 the writers are simply saying at this point you're not bargaining with us. You 110 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:22,920 just want to jam us up, and we're not going to do that. 111 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:28,480 So it's gonna be really interesting to see where this goes next. Now, 112 00:08:28,079 --> 00:08:33,919 you have to always know there are three things that are always true about Hollywood 113 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:37,600 labor negotiations, which I've been covering for about twelve years. In any negotiation, 114 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:46,480 one, nobody gets everything they want. Two, Eventually there is a 115 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:50,679 deal at the end of the somewhere, somehow in my mediator might come in, 116 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:52,720 it might be for us, it might be this, someone might finally 117 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:56,840 figure out a mechanism, but there's always a deal. And the third thing 118 00:08:56,960 --> 00:09:01,519 is there's a reason they call this show business and not show friends, and 119 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:05,879 that a lot of these people who are adversaries now, both internally and between 120 00:09:05,919 --> 00:09:09,440 the parties or the unions and the studios, will obviously be working together in 121 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:13,360 the future at one point. But I do think that this has become an 122 00:09:13,399 --> 00:09:16,799 inflection point now. And I think if there was any notion that there was 123 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:20,919 going to be some sort of quick agreement, and look, I'll add a 124 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:26,759 fourth one to this list, everybody's posturing at some point. I don't think 125 00:09:26,759 --> 00:09:33,440 that's going to happen. I think I think the AMPTP really really strategically misread 126 00:09:33,799 --> 00:09:41,200 the situation and in releasing that August eleventh proposal, have put themselves in a 127 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:46,799 position where probably the most strident and militant union in Hollywood, the Writer's Guild, 128 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:50,440 has become even more strident and militant in the past seventy two hours or 129 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:54,039 so. Wow. So you know, we're at the point we're almost at 130 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:58,360 four months now. Are we getting to the point where this is going to 131 00:09:58,399 --> 00:10:03,080 start a I mean, obviously it was always going to affect production and has 132 00:10:03,159 --> 00:10:07,320 it's stopped, But are we getting to a point where as consumers we're going 133 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:13,120 to see huge gaps in the pipeline or less content now that we're getting to 134 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:20,320 you know, we're really getting in an extended period here. Well, I 135 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:24,440 mean I think what you're is there going to be dead air on network television? 136 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:28,080 No? Is there going to be drama on network television, not a 137 00:10:28,159 --> 00:10:33,200 lot of original drama. You know, ABC will be replaying Miss Marvel, 138 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:37,759 which they debuted on Disney Plus. That's also partially to promote the Marvels movie, 139 00:10:37,759 --> 00:10:41,440 which is coming out in November, and that's an important thing Let's remember 140 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:45,679 it's not just the WJA on st right now, it's also the Actors Union 141 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:50,440 sag AFRO. So not only do you have nothing being created anew, but 142 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:54,879 you don't have anyone promoting anything. So when you have a movie like Blue 143 00:10:54,919 --> 00:10:58,200 Beetle, which is a groundbreaking movie and especially in terms of Latino representation and 144 00:10:58,279 --> 00:11:01,600 what have you, with some big names in it, George Lopez and many 145 00:11:01,639 --> 00:11:05,240 others, none of those people went out and promoted that movie. So Warner 146 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:09,879 Brothers are left with a multimillion dollar movie that isn't looking like it's going to 147 00:11:09,919 --> 00:11:13,519 recoup anything soon. It's opening weekend was certainly underwhelming, to put it mildly, 148 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:18,799 a few, you know, even Fran Dresser, the head of sag 149 00:11:18,879 --> 00:11:22,840 AFRA, said that she now believes that the studios and streamers desire for an 150 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:28,120 extra twelve days in the negotiation with the Actors Union was just so they could 151 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:31,759 promote things like Oppenheimer and Barbie Wow some degree, the Latest Mission impossible. 152 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:35,759 So when you look at what's going to be on your screen and what would 153 00:11:35,759 --> 00:11:39,679 be the fall season starting in about a month, you're gonna have stuff on 154 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:43,200 your screen. A lot of it's unscripted, You're gonna see a lot of 155 00:11:43,279 --> 00:11:48,200 I would say, Chess moves so Miss Marvel on ABC. Yellow Stone, 156 00:11:48,279 --> 00:11:52,840 which has been on paramount and obviously on the streaming and very very successful, 157 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:56,879 is now to have its first season on CBS. Lots of moves around like 158 00:11:56,919 --> 00:12:00,679 that. New stuff which usually would have been several episodes in the can by 159 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:03,759 now going into a fall season, which usually would have started with production and 160 00:12:03,799 --> 00:12:07,200 writing happening in April. May clearly that didn't happen. With the w G 161 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:11,759 going on strike, that's not going to happen. I think we're getting to 162 00:12:11,799 --> 00:12:16,840 the point where you might not even be able to really resurrect a mid season 163 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:22,840 slate of dramatic scripted originals, so like seeing Bluebloods come back in January or 164 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:30,080 stuff like that. The saving grace perhaps for linear TV, ABC, NBC, 165 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:35,720 CBS falls one have you is sports, specifically the NFL, which still 166 00:12:35,799 --> 00:12:43,639 is alive and kicking pardon the pun, Otherwise it's gonna be thin gruel, 167 00:12:43,759 --> 00:12:46,840 I would say, for the most part. Now it's a little different with 168 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:50,480 the streamers. They have stuff in the pipeline and they're not really they're not 169 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:54,480 really held to a standard in terms of the advertising expectations and what have you. 170 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:58,200 Though all of them do have an ad tier now, but still even 171 00:12:58,279 --> 00:13:03,960 they are gonna see the pipeline is going to start dwindling to some degree. 172 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:07,720 Netflix have obviously been in the forefront, doing a vast amount of international purchases. 173 00:13:09,039 --> 00:13:11,080 You know, we joke if you had a show that was being in 174 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:13,200 Spain three years ago, everyone in America is going to see the first two 175 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:20,279 seasons of it on Netflix next year. But I feel like whatever is attracting 176 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:28,399 people still to linear TV that contracts, so to speak, has borderline been 177 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:31,759 breached. And I don't really know. I mean, the NFL is always 178 00:13:31,799 --> 00:13:37,000 the great powerhouse and it has been for years. As we've seen linear ratings 179 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:39,960 decline, I don't know if you're gonna be able to get people back. 180 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:45,720 Yeah. Yeah, I was reading a piece recently that said, for the 181 00:13:45,759 --> 00:13:52,360 first time ever, there was more streaming hours last month than linear television watching 182 00:13:52,480 --> 00:14:00,320 hours, which you know, for me was kind of that's like a larn 183 00:14:00,399 --> 00:14:01,279 in my head, like, uh, oh, you know, it's finally 184 00:14:01,399 --> 00:14:07,080 happened, and it's only going to I would assume, continue to go that 185 00:14:07,159 --> 00:14:09,799 way. And as you said, with the NFL kind of being, you 186 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:16,279 know, the only saving grace in the fall for linear television. If if 187 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:20,200 things aren't put together for mid season, I think it's going to be a 188 00:14:20,399 --> 00:14:24,919 even bigger drop, you know. I mean, you look now, you 189 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:28,759 might see, you might see. Advantages also emerged because, as that famous 190 00:14:28,759 --> 00:14:31,360 expression of former White House Chief of Staff Rama Manuel, never let a good 191 00:14:31,399 --> 00:14:35,480 crisis go to way, you know, and c has things like the Walking 192 00:14:35,519 --> 00:14:41,039 Dead Darryl Dixon spin off with Norman Ritas, which could attract a lot of 193 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:43,679 a lot of heat. Now, I don't think it'll get back to the 194 00:14:43,759 --> 00:14:46,679 numbers of Walking Head, Dead Head and his hey day, but it's certainly, 195 00:14:46,919 --> 00:14:52,080 you know, that is all done and in the can Norman will obviously 196 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:54,960 not be promoting that. He can't promote that as a member of SAGABER, 197 00:14:56,039 --> 00:14:58,919 but that has possibilities and that, you know. But if you start looking 198 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:05,080 a network, a lot of NFL at, a lot of sports, and 199 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:09,919 a lot of unscripted, you know, a lot of unscripted again, Apple 200 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:11,840 TV is going to have season three of the Morning Show with Jennifer Anderson and 201 00:15:11,879 --> 00:15:16,120 Reese Witherspoon. That might attract attention to it, but you know, this 202 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:20,200 is streaming. The streaming works on a different a different it works on a 203 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:24,639 different timeline altogether, it's very hard to see. If you see something like 204 00:15:26,159 --> 00:15:31,320 season twelve of American Horror Story debuting on FFX in September twentieth, I believe 205 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:35,480 it's very hard to see, like, among all that jumble, how are 206 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:39,000 you're going to attract viewers? And remember, part of what viewership is about 207 00:15:39,399 --> 00:15:45,159 is this mysterious cauldron of appointment viewing and kind of flow. So you know, 208 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:48,000 you turn on the TV to watch something at eight thirty that you love 209 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:50,120 Abbott Elementary and you kind of hang with it for the rest of the night, 210 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:54,480 and the networks depend on that to some extent. That's very, very 211 00:15:54,519 --> 00:15:58,639 hard to see. Do I think things like the Continental, the John Wick 212 00:15:58,039 --> 00:16:03,200 prequel of sort that Peacock is gonna have on September twenty second, Again, 213 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:07,519 it's done. They can't really no actors to promote it, which is gonna 214 00:16:07,519 --> 00:16:11,879 make it harder. But it's still there and it's something out there. But 215 00:16:11,919 --> 00:16:15,240 again, that's streaming. Streaming has that advantage for now that is going. 216 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:18,720 That is going to fade as well. You just can't keep this thing going 217 00:16:18,879 --> 00:16:23,039 endlessly, and no matter how many Celebrity Jeopardies or celebrity Wheel of Fortunes, 218 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:26,960 Survivor, Amazing Rays, Massing, etcetera, etcetera, Bachelor, Golden Bachelor, 219 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:30,960 et cetera, et cetera. Eventually someone's gonna want to see an old, 220 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:36,000 an old fashioned procedural and they're not finding it on TV. They're going 221 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:40,240 to go to the streamers. And again, regardless of how this all plays 222 00:16:40,279 --> 00:16:45,000 out, if they solved this this week, it's still gonna take at least 223 00:16:45,039 --> 00:16:48,759 two months for shows to show up on television. It's gonna hit into whatever 224 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:52,840 scheduling and planning, which is actually a massive deal. And you know, 225 00:16:52,879 --> 00:16:57,279 there's kind of the kind of secret underbellue of all this. So you getting 226 00:16:57,360 --> 00:17:02,559 to watch the shows that you of Chicago, p D, f D, 227 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:04,359 whatever it is, our blue Bloods or whatever it is you want to watch, 228 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:08,359 that's not even gonna happen anyway. So you're kind of planning. It's 229 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:12,200 like you're planning for a vacation if the weather doesn't go badly, and you 230 00:17:12,279 --> 00:17:15,960 know, X factors galore and that. So I don't know, I mean, 231 00:17:17,039 --> 00:17:18,240 I don't know. I mean, I think it's a little different when 232 00:17:18,279 --> 00:17:22,000 you get to the big screen. But you know, some of those are 233 00:17:22,039 --> 00:17:25,960 hard to tell. You know, the Aquaman sequel, Aquaman in the Lost 234 00:17:26,079 --> 00:17:29,400 Kingdom, coming out from Warner Brothers, been moved a bunch of times. 235 00:17:29,559 --> 00:17:33,960 Right now, it's for December twentieth. But you know they're looking at those 236 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:37,519 blue beetle numbers. Yeah, they're they're like, we if we don't have 237 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:40,279 Jason out there in my moment, if we're gonna have Jason out there pushing 238 00:17:40,319 --> 00:17:44,000 this or Amber heard or anything, what are we gonna get. We're gonna 239 00:17:44,039 --> 00:17:45,559 hope, We're gonna hope people are gonna want to show up again. A 240 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:49,920 little bit of a different thing that's happening with things like for instance, Joaquim 241 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:56,200 Phoenix and Vanessa Kirby in Napoleon, which is gonna end up on Apple eventually. 242 00:17:56,680 --> 00:18:02,000 Or you've got the new Martin Scorsese Leonardo DiCaprio movie Killers of the Flower 243 00:18:02,039 --> 00:18:03,839 and Moon. Sorry, actually that that one is Apple, which is gonna 244 00:18:03,839 --> 00:18:07,319 be in screens and then show up on Apple. So you know, big 245 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:11,599 screen has a little bit of wiggle room because of the new realities. Yeah, 246 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:17,759 but again, no Leo to promote it. Yep. I guess in 247 00:18:17,839 --> 00:18:19,440 this case, Martin Scorsese is his own brand, so you can work on 248 00:18:19,519 --> 00:18:26,039 that one. But it's very hard to get people into things when the things 249 00:18:26,119 --> 00:18:30,960 that attract them, the shiny babbles of celebrity, are no longer part of 250 00:18:30,039 --> 00:18:34,359 the equation. Yeah, it's it's quite fascinating and makes at least on my 251 00:18:34,599 --> 00:18:41,920 end for creative trying to get creative on ways to keep a celebrity interview show 252 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:45,880 with no celebrity interviews. So that's been fun. But uh, you know, 253 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:52,319 one thing that I think is interesting is that through all this U this 254 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:57,480 summer looks like it the movie season could end up being a four billion dollars 255 00:18:57,759 --> 00:19:04,599 season, which would uh take us back to pre pandemic times, which I 256 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:08,680 think tells us the power of movie going that I think there was a lot 257 00:19:08,759 --> 00:19:12,960 of especially during and immediately after the pandemic, there was a lot of kind 258 00:19:14,039 --> 00:19:18,720 of people I feel like scare talking. You know, it's a it's never 259 00:19:18,839 --> 00:19:22,319 going back to that and uh, this is the new reality and that sort 260 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:26,599 of thing. And I think Barbie, especially in Oppenheimer and Super Mario Brothers 261 00:19:26,319 --> 00:19:30,799 to an extent, have all shown that people will still go and and so 262 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:36,920 I think that's kind of come at an interesting time in all of these negotiations, 263 00:19:37,559 --> 00:19:44,400 as as you know, those numbers are showing that people will will generally, 264 00:19:44,799 --> 00:19:48,400 you know, still go to the theater if they see a reason too. 265 00:19:48,519 --> 00:19:51,279 Now, of course, those are both in my opinion, I don't 266 00:19:51,279 --> 00:19:55,440 want to say Flash in the Pans, they're incredibly I Oppenheimer's one of my 267 00:19:55,599 --> 00:19:59,279 top ten favorite films, and Barbie was amazing. However, you know, 268 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:02,759 those are kind of of lightning and a bottle sort of thing. But I 269 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:06,799 think that's I think that I think you're phrasing is actually really on. Flash 270 00:20:07,519 --> 00:20:11,759 did not do so well with my friends after all, the Ezra Miller's scandals 271 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:15,880 after basically like a film that is is a cameo fest. And I'm not 272 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:19,319 gonna give any spoilers, but if you've ever seen anyone who's ever been associated 273 00:20:19,319 --> 00:20:22,599 with a DC hero movie, you might be seeing them in this movie. 274 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:29,039 And it's no spoiler to say. The amazing Michael Keaton, the first of 275 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:33,480 the the the the contemporary big screen Batman's shows up. In fact, almost 276 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:38,119 every Batman shows up except Christian Bale and Valcomer. You know, I think, 277 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:44,000 uh, Shazam sequel, Yeah, so much. You know, I 278 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:47,720 think that there there were a lot of these that kind of flamed out. 279 00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:49,799 And so I think, at the same time as what you're saying, you're 280 00:20:49,839 --> 00:20:55,119 the last Fast and the Furious movie did okay? All right again, incredibly 281 00:20:55,400 --> 00:21:00,279 big name, heavy, cop heavy. I'm wondering if amidst all all this, 282 00:21:00,599 --> 00:21:03,200 with the strikes and the changes in our viewership, and let's admit, 283 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:07,839 as you said earlier, streaming has become the predominant medium, and it has, 284 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:11,200 and whether or not you want to argue if it ruins our collective experience, 285 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:14,960 or you want to be honest with yourself and say, hey, studio 286 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:15,799 executive, I don't know about you, but the last time I was in 287 00:21:15,839 --> 00:21:18,559 a movie theater, there were three guys like on their phone the whole time. 288 00:21:18,759 --> 00:21:22,519 There was popcorn on the bottom of my shoe. I couldn't hear the 289 00:21:22,599 --> 00:21:25,599 thing half the time. You know whatever, There's some realities, and you 290 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:29,880 actually think that's a whole other argument that needs had about the future of cinema, 291 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:34,559 Like why aren't the cinemas cathedrals of art as opposed to like, you 292 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:40,880 know, seemingly closets and shopping malls. You know, I think that you 293 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:44,200 might see something interesting happen with The Equalizer three, which of course has the 294 00:21:44,279 --> 00:21:48,640 amazing Denzel Washington in it, who is a multi generational star. And you 295 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:51,279 know, you just have to see a picture of Denzel smiling and you're you're 296 00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:53,960 pretty much going to be promoted into that movie. But I think that all 297 00:21:55,039 --> 00:22:00,160 these changing habits are occurring. One thing when you look at movies, at 298 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:06,200 least you know, and this is a pithy analysis of it, but franchises 299 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:08,440 are failing. Brother, Yeah, they really are Barians of the Galaxy three 300 00:22:08,599 --> 00:22:11,480 Bowing three and it didn't made it. It made it. But like if 301 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:15,119 you really look at what made it this summer, and you know, if 302 00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:18,160 you want to call Barbie a flash in the pan or Oppenheimer lightning in a 303 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:22,599 bottle, but these were original things. You know, what Greta gerd would 304 00:22:22,599 --> 00:22:26,519 did with with with Barbie, what Christopher Nolan did with Oppenheimer. You can 305 00:22:26,599 --> 00:22:30,519 have legitimate discussions about the values of that, the pros and cons, but 306 00:22:30,599 --> 00:22:37,119 you are talking about a form of artistry. I feel like we might come 307 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:40,400 out of this with a very different landscape for the big screen as well. 308 00:22:40,839 --> 00:22:44,200 And it might be one that is not so superhero friendly anymore. Yeah, 309 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:48,400 yeah, I find that, you know, what you're saying extremely interesting, 310 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:53,440 Barbie. You know, n Oppenheimer are such original besides, you know, 311 00:22:53,519 --> 00:23:00,559 besides the fact that they are first meaning it's not a franchise per se. 312 00:23:02,599 --> 00:23:07,720 They are extremely original films from you know, the cinematography, I mean, 313 00:23:07,839 --> 00:23:12,799 everything about them is amazing. And I hope that Hollywood does take notice to 314 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:19,119 that because I hear all the time from listeners and readers and stuff that you 315 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:22,799 know, they're getting fatigue. And I know people have been saying about superhero 316 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:29,200 fatigue forever, but but it's I feel like what they're really saying is it's 317 00:23:29,799 --> 00:23:33,359 they want more original stuff. They want more creative stuff. They don't want 318 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:40,640 cookie cutter stuff all the time. And I hope that that I hope, 319 00:23:40,759 --> 00:23:45,960 you know, executives take note of that because it has been a very interesting 320 00:23:45,039 --> 00:23:48,680 time this summer with what's worked and what has it. But I mean, 321 00:23:48,759 --> 00:23:52,359 here part of the question is, though, can they You know, Hollywood 322 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:56,759 is built on many things, but stability and longevity are one of them. 323 00:23:56,079 --> 00:24:00,160 To make a film is a three year process, often at best, and 324 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:03,440 that's the fast tracking right, So you've got this stuff. I mean, 325 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:07,880 The Flash is a great example. Ezra Miller was involved in so many scandals 326 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:11,880 that by any other definition it was a career killer. Yeah, but he 327 00:24:12,079 --> 00:24:18,160 is literally often twice no spoiler meant. But you know the film has been 328 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:22,079 out for a bit, so you know, often twice in every scene of 329 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:26,400 the movie. So at a two hundred plus million dollars budget, what are 330 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:32,240 you gonna do? Like, this isn't Kevin Spacey in playing John Paul Getty, 331 00:24:32,559 --> 00:24:33,799 you know, pull him out and bring Christopher Plummer in. Right, 332 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:37,519 This is Ezra Miller is the Flash. The movie is called The Flash. 333 00:24:37,599 --> 00:24:41,880 He's in it all the time. So you're kind of you're kind of stuck. 334 00:24:42,319 --> 00:24:45,720 You gotta go with it, like you can't pivot fast enough to change 335 00:24:45,799 --> 00:24:49,920 this. So I think that that's also part of it is there's still gonna 336 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:57,200 be at least another year of this odd, uncomfortable and perhaps unprecedented friction in 337 00:24:57,319 --> 00:25:00,279 terms of what's actually getting people in theaters. You know, the Last Mission 338 00:25:00,319 --> 00:25:04,960 Impossible did not save cinema like the way the Top Gun sequel did with Tom 339 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:11,400 Cruise. Ever before, to see how something like Napoleon or Killer Moon does, 340 00:25:11,759 --> 00:25:15,000 which are if you use the criteria that we're talking about, you know 341 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:18,599 they are original. I mean, I know there's been other movies about Napoleon 342 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:22,559 and what have you, but let's be honestly. I mean this is basically, 343 00:25:22,839 --> 00:25:26,599 you know, this is eighteenth century Gladiator. You know, even with 344 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:30,000 one of those same actors from Gladiator, so you know he's playing, he's 345 00:25:30,039 --> 00:25:33,400 playing to his strengths. But where the original content whether or not you know 346 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:37,799 you're interested in the Emperor Napoleon or not. But will that work? Or 347 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:44,599 was Oppenheimer like well that just Oppenheimer was the counter programming to Barbie. There 348 00:25:44,759 --> 00:25:48,559 was this great symmetry where you saw, you know, Greta Gerwig and Margot 349 00:25:48,599 --> 00:25:51,880 Robbie holding up Oppenheimer tickets as well, like people are kind of like, 350 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:55,839 just get the cinemas open, get people in. Is that going to continue? 351 00:25:56,039 --> 00:26:00,119 I mean, Napoleon and Killer Moon are are both Apple properties. Ultimately, 352 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:04,599 how does Apple promote that? And also then to a certain degree, 353 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:10,480 how much does Apple really care? Yes, they want an oscar for Coda. 354 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:15,079 Yes, they have a pretty muscular streaming service with some really great shows, 355 00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:18,960 some of which everybody knows. Ted Lasso some of which people forget about, 356 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:23,319 like for all Man time, but now ay where they make their box 357 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:26,000 buddy, Yeah, you know, I people like, you know, if 358 00:26:26,039 --> 00:26:29,599 you buy a new Apple phone, you get Apple TV for like I know, 359 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:32,720 a year for free or something like that. Like they're about products, 360 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:36,680 you know, And they're now moving obviously into into a VR range that might 361 00:26:36,799 --> 00:26:40,920 leave Facebook slash Meta in the dust. So that's a whole new landscape. 362 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:45,079 And then you got to consider that with all these talks and all these negotiations. 363 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:47,960 One thing that was very interesting about two thousand and seven two thousand and 364 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:52,400 eight, the writers and feels like ancient times if you think about it. 365 00:26:52,559 --> 00:26:56,640 But if you remember back then, you could go onto iTunes and download a 366 00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:59,920 movie. It took like five hours to do it, or five days. 367 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,920 We could download a TV show, right, I remember once downloading I don't 368 00:27:03,079 --> 00:27:07,200 people remember it Studio sixty on the Sunset strip. Oh yeah, yeah, 369 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:12,000 after West Wing And I was in Europe with family in the summer of two 370 00:27:12,039 --> 00:27:14,920 thousand and eight, and so before I left New York too, that I 371 00:27:15,039 --> 00:27:18,559 downloaded like most of that season of that why I bought it and downloaded of 372 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,839 Apple right again, I left my computer, went away for a day, 373 00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:25,279 came back. It was there. So but in two thousand seven, two 374 00:27:25,279 --> 00:27:29,200 thousand and eight, the Writer's Guild, one of their major sticking points was 375 00:27:29,279 --> 00:27:33,319 this notion of what's all that going to turn into? Like, clearly, 376 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:37,079 it's not gonna stop with someone buying a show for four ninety nine. There's 377 00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:40,200 more to this. And of course the more to this was Netflix and then 378 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,799 Amazon and then everybody else with streaming and streaming. But coming where you're at, 379 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:47,960 so I wonder with a lot of talk about AI and how that is 380 00:27:48,279 --> 00:27:52,759 planting seeds for another revolution, which it may or may not. It's always 381 00:27:52,759 --> 00:27:56,400 hard to tell with new technologies. But the other element of this is what 382 00:27:56,599 --> 00:28:00,680 about things like virtual reality and the metaverse and what have you? Like, 383 00:28:02,319 --> 00:28:06,160 are you let's say, the cinemas pick up on what we're putting down, 384 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:07,559 they say, you know what, Donnic and Kyla, Right, we gotta 385 00:28:07,599 --> 00:28:11,880 fix these up. We gotta have grown ups in there, not teenagers who 386 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:14,759 don't care. We got to make sure these are beautiful places. The food's 387 00:28:14,759 --> 00:28:17,240 got to improve, the quality of improve. We got to make sure no 388 00:28:17,279 --> 00:28:19,400 one's on their phone, watch out for acts of violence. Blah blah, 389 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:22,839 blah blah blah. Right, they do all that, and then you and 390 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:26,799 I get these little lie sets and a headphone we put on and we just 391 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:30,519 experienced Star Wars for real in the back of a tie Fighter in our own 392 00:28:30,559 --> 00:28:34,759 living room. Yeah, you know, yeah, And suddenly all those extubuters 393 00:28:34,799 --> 00:28:40,160 are like, we can't give this stuff away. Yeah. Yeah, It's 394 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:45,599 a very very interesting time. And actually thinking about the future, not as 395 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:51,200 far as that, but the fall. What do we have to look forward 396 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,319 to to the fall? I know, I'm looking forward to some of the 397 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:57,880 horror films that are coming out, and American Horror Stories, you mean, 398 00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:03,480 like I mean like Saw X. I'm looking forward to the Nun too. 399 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:07,880 I'm a huge Conjuring Universe fan. I love any horror and of course I'm 400 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:11,000 looking forward to the new installment of American Horror Story, which see how that 401 00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:17,319 turns out, and and uh, the both of the Apple Films movie. 402 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:22,160 Yes, yes, that those I'm excited about that. What do what do 403 00:29:22,279 --> 00:29:25,960 people have? You know? What are we What are the big things you're 404 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:30,440 you're thinking is going to hit this this fall? Well, I'll start on 405 00:29:30,519 --> 00:29:33,480 the big screen. I'll move to the small big screen. Killers of the 406 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:38,240 Flower Moon, Indo DiCaprio, Robert de Niro, Monin Scorsese, Holy Trinity 407 00:29:38,319 --> 00:29:44,640 of American Cinema. I would say The Exorcist Believer because I love the Exorcist 408 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:48,759 movie. Yeah, Ordinary Angels with that Hillary Swink, I think it is 409 00:29:48,759 --> 00:29:52,559 going to be very interesting. Remember, Killers of the Flower Moon will be 410 00:29:52,599 --> 00:29:56,160 in theaters and then it will be on Apple. Napoleon from Ridley Scott with 411 00:29:56,240 --> 00:30:00,000 Joaquin Phoenix and Vanessa Kirby. Really looking forward to that. Never really understood 412 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,680 why people are into Napoleon, but always understand why people are into Ridley Scott. 413 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:06,359 And that again is also gonna be in theaters. It's gonna be on 414 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:11,640 a small screen. I think the new Ava da Verne film based on the 415 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:15,640 Isabella Wilkinson movie cast doesn't have a date yet, doesn't have a distributor, 416 00:30:15,759 --> 00:30:18,720 debuting at the Venice Film Festival. But Ava is always an interesting, groundbreaking 417 00:30:18,759 --> 00:30:22,359 filmmaker. This is her first return to the big screen in several years, 418 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:26,799 having moved mamily into the television. I mean winning shows like When They See 419 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:30,240 Us, So that should be very interesting to see. Sofia Coppla's Priscilla, 420 00:30:30,519 --> 00:30:33,079 I mean, I know we got Elvis last year. But I gotta tell 421 00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:37,440 you, I think the Priscilla's story slightly they also based on tragic current events 422 00:30:37,519 --> 00:30:41,799 in her life and her family's life, could be the more interesting one. 423 00:30:41,119 --> 00:30:45,079 I think that, as I said before Equalizer three, because it's Denzel dude. 424 00:30:45,119 --> 00:30:51,240 Absolutely, I think those are some really really interesting ones, interesting to 425 00:30:51,359 --> 00:30:53,839 see. You know, we talk a lot at Deadline, especially our box 426 00:30:53,920 --> 00:31:00,359 office maestro Anthony dallas Sandro, about you know, where is the tipping point 427 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:04,039 that the labor strife could bring. For instance, if the Dunes sequel is 428 00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:08,359 moved, if Aquaman and the Lost Kingdom are moved again, that's gonna show. 429 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:11,960 Okay, this is a write off this year, you know. So 430 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:15,759 I think things like that are really out there. So those are ones I'm 431 00:31:15,799 --> 00:31:18,519 really looking to. There. There's a new version of The Color Purple obviously 432 00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:22,640 well you know, coming out on Christmas, musical version hopefully. I think 433 00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:26,559 those are good. You know, we talked a little bit about some stuff. 434 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,920 I'm I'm a big Walking Dead fan, so I'm into Walking Dead, 435 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:33,039 Darryl Dixon. I'm basically like, what took you so long? I'm also 436 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:37,480 into We Don't you know when it comes out? The one The Machine and 437 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:41,559 Rick Rimes want a mini series that is gonna be Yeah, yeah, is 438 00:31:41,599 --> 00:31:47,400 that this fall? I think so. I think I think that one's also 439 00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:49,759 or maybe early next year. But you know, again, these are also 440 00:31:49,839 --> 00:31:53,319 movable feasts. Yeah, American horror story always interests me, you know, 441 00:31:53,359 --> 00:31:56,640 even if it's even if it's just a hate watch. Yes, I think 442 00:31:56,720 --> 00:32:00,720 I think those are those Some of those are fun. I think. You 443 00:32:00,799 --> 00:32:04,720 know, there's gonna be a new season of Top Boy on Netflix, season 444 00:32:04,799 --> 00:32:07,640 three, which is the final season, so I'm into that. So there's 445 00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:12,319 The Boys spin off gen V, which is coming I believe at the end 446 00:32:12,359 --> 00:32:15,480 of September on Amazon. You know, I love the Boys. I just 447 00:32:15,559 --> 00:32:17,240 think they're amazing. So let's see where that goes. So I think there's 448 00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:22,720 a lot of stuff out there. The question is is you know, is 449 00:32:22,759 --> 00:32:25,799 it you know there's another yet another one of the Power franchises coming out, 450 00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:31,440 Power Force. The question is, like anything in this era, and we're 451 00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:34,839 still in the era of PETTV. But if it doesn't seem like it right 452 00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:38,119 now, it's finding all this yeah, you know. Yeah, recently we 453 00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:43,240 had the third and final season of Reservation Dogs, which isn't quite over yet, 454 00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:45,799 but almost. Reservation Dogs one of those acclaimed shows around, though snubbed 455 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:50,559 endlessly at the Emmy's. But amidst all this, with the labor strife, 456 00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:54,039 with the industry shifts and change and stuff like that, it felt like, 457 00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:59,759 unfortunately, this incredibly original show got overlooked because we're just trying to all figure 458 00:32:59,799 --> 00:33:00,960 out where this goes. Yeah, you know, I like to use my 459 00:33:01,319 --> 00:33:05,039 uncle Steve and my Auntie Rose, who are in their eighties now. I 460 00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:07,599 often use them as a barometer because they don't know anything. They maybe they 461 00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:10,200 know who Ted Serrando's is, but they don't really know any of these guys 462 00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:13,720 are right. They know some guy runs Disney, but they don't know who 463 00:33:13,759 --> 00:33:16,680 these people are we talked about all the time. But for them, there's 464 00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:21,119 some real stuff at real shows they love, like Blue Blood's right, and 465 00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:23,599 when to them when that's not on, when when their man Tom Saleck is 466 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:28,079 not coming back. That feels like a disruption to them, and not the 467 00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:30,720 type of disruption that corporate types love to brag about. So then you find 468 00:33:30,799 --> 00:33:35,279 yourself, I think, in a situation and this is the greatest unknown of 469 00:33:35,319 --> 00:33:39,440 all of this. At what point do you lose people. Yea, at 470 00:33:39,519 --> 00:33:45,640 what point does TV or cinema become a CD? And you're just like, 471 00:33:46,119 --> 00:33:50,319 I don't do CDs, dude, They're not even good coasters anymore. I 472 00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:53,799 got Spotify, I got Amazon, I got Apple Music, I got five 473 00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:59,039 hundred million songs in my phone. Why would I buy a CD? Yeah? 474 00:33:59,119 --> 00:34:01,039 You know, someone go go with sound quality and you're like, I 475 00:34:01,119 --> 00:34:04,240 listen to it on my adphones. Dude, it's compressed. I don't care, 476 00:34:04,559 --> 00:34:07,119 you know, Like, if that's what you're worried about, you clearly 477 00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:10,559 have never heard of the entire history of radio, you know. So it's 478 00:34:12,159 --> 00:34:19,079 it's the Chinese have that expression, you know, I hope you live in 479 00:34:19,199 --> 00:34:22,239 interesting times. But interesting times doesn't always mean interesting in the good way. 480 00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:27,280 Yeah, it also means interesting in the unsteady way. And I think that 481 00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:30,119 that's where we're at here. Whether or not these technologies end up being used 482 00:34:30,159 --> 00:34:31,079 for what they think they're going to be used for, etcetera, etcetera, 483 00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:36,639 I don't know. But what I do know is that there are a lot 484 00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:40,519 of storm clouds from the strikes, to the change in technology to AI to 485 00:34:40,679 --> 00:34:45,599 viewing habits, to the monetization because people aren't making the money they want to. 486 00:34:45,639 --> 00:34:47,800 I mean, now, the streamers are so expensive. I did some 487 00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:52,920 maths recently. They've all hyped their prices so much. If you have the 488 00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:55,599 majority of the streamers now it's like you're paying for cabling. It's like a 489 00:34:55,679 --> 00:34:59,679 lot one hundred bucks, right, So what's funny You're like, why don't 490 00:35:00,039 --> 00:35:01,639 Hey, this is like we got cord cutting and we're gonna have We're gonna 491 00:35:01,679 --> 00:35:06,880 have broadband cutting soon. People are just gonna like, look, I want 492 00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:08,079 my Netflix and my Disney for my kid, and that's it. I'm done. 493 00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:14,719 Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that that's actually another episode I want 494 00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,159 to talk to you about in the future is how much you know, when 495 00:35:17,199 --> 00:35:22,800 do we cut it off? Because of how much everything's going up? Thank 496 00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:27,920 you so much for speaking with me. I as always, and as I 497 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:31,000 say this all the time, I'm checking deadline dot com multiple times a day 498 00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:35,239 because it's breaking news twenty four hours a day, seven days a week. 499 00:35:36,119 --> 00:35:40,920 When do you rest? I sleep when I'm dead? There you go a 500 00:35:42,039 --> 00:35:46,000 dominic Patton, Thank you so much. And of course, uh Deadline is 501 00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:52,960 the destination for everything that is going on in uh in you know, entertainment 502 00:35:53,199 --> 00:35:57,840 Hollywood, behind the scenes, in front of the scenes, everything. It 503 00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:01,599 is the one stop destination and I can't thank you enough for speaking with me. 504 00:36:02,679 --> 00:36:09,280 Thank you my friend Dom Patton. Love having him on the show always. 505 00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,679 I mean, he is just a wealth of knowledge. That's why he 506 00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:17,719 is senior editor Deadline Hollywood Deadline dot Com. Once again, Thanks to Tom 507 00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:22,639 for joining me, Thank you for listening. Get like I said, look 508 00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:28,840 pop culture weekly. You know, I am one person and I do the 509 00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,559 content myself. You know, I'm lucky enough to have people that help me 510 00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:36,039 get it out there and all that stuff. But I'm a one man show 511 00:36:36,199 --> 00:36:39,800 in that regard, and so there's no way I can cover even a fraction 512 00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:44,559 of the stuff that a Deadline does. And that's why they are my go 513 00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:50,119 to source. I love Deadline, always have. I use them, like 514 00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:52,480 I said, throughout the day, multiple times a day to see what is 515 00:36:52,519 --> 00:36:57,760 going on, because they're breaking the news of you know, pop culture, 516 00:36:58,119 --> 00:37:00,679 what's going on in Hollywood. So dead dot com. Thank you. Thank 517 00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:05,519 you to Dom once again. We'll have him on again, of course, 518 00:37:06,159 --> 00:37:10,679 and I thank you for hanging out with me once again. Please, if 519 00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:15,039 you enjoy this episode, share it, hit me up. Let me know 520 00:37:15,159 --> 00:37:16,679 what you think. What do you think about the strike? Let's talk on 521 00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:24,119 social I'm at KMAC music on Twitter and Instagram and threads. I'm at Kyle 522 00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:30,320 mc I'm you know, Kyle McMahon or real Kyle McMahon everywhere else, So 523 00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:37,360 hit me up. 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