Deciphering the Dynamics of the Hollywood Strike with Dominic Patten (Deadline Hollywood)

100:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,759In this episode of pop Culture Weekly, I'm joined by Deadline dot Com Senior200:00:03,879 --> 00:00:06,919editor Don Patton. We talk allabout the strike, I look at summer300:00:07,040 --> 00:00:10,519season, and what we can lookforward to this fall in the movies,400:00:10,640 --> 00:00:16,640Let's go. Welcome to pop CultureWeekly with Kyle McMahon from my Heart Radio,500:00:17,160 --> 00:00:22,199your pop culture news, views,reviews, and celebrity interviews on all600:00:22,280 --> 00:00:26,960the movies, TV, music,and pop culture you crave weekly. Here's700:00:27,079 --> 00:00:32,679Kyle McMahon nan nan nan nant,Hello, and welcome to pop Culture Weekly800:00:32,719 --> 00:00:38,439with Kyle McMahon. I of courseam Kyle McMahon, and thank you for900:00:38,520 --> 00:00:43,560joining me. I can't thank youenough. 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I'm excited because I'm talkingto once again Dominic Patton. Dom2000:01:27,319 --> 00:01:32,680is senior editor with Deadline Hollywood,which you know, Deadline dot Com is2100:01:32,879 --> 00:01:37,480such a huge resource for me andalways has been. I go to Deadline2200:01:37,519 --> 00:01:44,400dot Com multiple times a day becausethey have a full staff that is incredibly2300:01:45,840 --> 00:01:51,560on top of everything that's breaking inHollywood, so you know, movies,2400:01:51,680 --> 00:01:57,799TV music, they are covering itwith in depth reporting. I love Deadline2500:01:57,879 --> 00:02:04,480and so I'm decited to talk todom today about the strike now, going2600:02:04,640 --> 00:02:07,759you know into it's what fourth startedin May's May, June, July,2700:02:07,919 --> 00:02:14,599August, fifth month of the strike, and you know where things stand as2800:02:14,639 --> 00:02:20,639they are now when we can expectthe artists and creatives to you know,2900:02:20,759 --> 00:02:24,479get what they're do and what happensif if they don't come to an agreement,3000:02:24,520 --> 00:02:28,199all that stuff. We're going tocover it all with Dom. I'm3100:02:28,240 --> 00:02:30,240also going to ask him about,you know, twenty twenty three, the3200:02:30,319 --> 00:02:37,280summer movie season was pretty incredible withBarbie and Oppenheimer. Of course, the3300:02:37,319 --> 00:02:43,439big Barbenheimer double feature people were doing, which I loved and did myself.3400:02:43,599 --> 00:02:46,639And what dom is looking forward tothis fall. You know, I'm a3500:02:46,639 --> 00:02:50,560big horror fan, and so there'ssome horror movies I'm looking forward to as3600:02:50,560 --> 00:02:54,039well as some other titles. Sowe talk all about that. Let's get3700:02:54,240 --> 00:03:00,439right into my conversation with Dominic Pattonfrom Deadline dot Com. I am here3800:03:00,879 --> 00:03:07,560with Dominic Patton, senior editor forDeadline Hollywood. Welcome back. Thanks for3900:03:07,599 --> 00:03:10,479speaking with me down Oh always apleasure, my man, me as well.4000:03:10,960 --> 00:03:15,199So first of all, as Italk about all the time, I'm4100:03:15,240 --> 00:03:21,280at Deadline dot com for breaking newsmultiple times a day. Obviously, right4200:03:21,280 --> 00:03:24,960now, the big news is thestrike. What is the status of that4300:03:25,560 --> 00:03:30,879as of this recording. I mean, it's kind of all blown up again,4400:03:31,000 --> 00:03:36,800Kyle. I mean, you know, you had the studios finally reached4500:03:36,840 --> 00:03:40,439out to the Writers Guild, whoare the predominant union in this the Actor's4600:03:40,479 --> 00:03:46,039Guild SAGAFRO on strike two. Butthey reached out to them not long after,4700:03:46,199 --> 00:03:49,400and I mean literally a matter ofhours after my colleague Peter White and4800:03:49,479 --> 00:03:53,280I wrote a story about some backchanneling that was happening between them all.4900:03:53,560 --> 00:03:57,000There had been no talks over onehundred and one days, so they had5000:03:57,039 --> 00:04:00,240eclipsed the nineteen. The two thousandand seven two was an eight strike which5100:04:00,240 --> 00:04:05,800went on for a hundred taste andthey said, let's talk. You know,5200:04:05,919 --> 00:04:08,960is that quote from the Bible?Come, let us reads them together.5300:04:10,000 --> 00:04:13,479Turned out wasn't a lot going onthere, a lot of talks,5400:04:13,520 --> 00:04:15,279not really a schedule. It waskind of like a day here. They5500:04:15,319 --> 00:04:21,120hear that studios made a proposal onAugust eleven, and they thought it was5600:04:21,160 --> 00:04:26,839an unprecedented proposal, and they wereaddressing all the things that the guild wanted,5700:04:27,079 --> 00:04:33,120residuals metrics, in terms of transparencyon streamers AI writer's rooms. The5800:04:33,120 --> 00:04:41,879whole deal didn't seem to go overso well. Writers Guild respond a little5900:04:41,879 --> 00:04:47,519bit attention. So on Monday,August twenty one, the studios and streamers6000:04:48,040 --> 00:04:51,199reached out to the Writers Guild andsaid, we would like to meet with6100:04:51,279 --> 00:04:56,639you personally now, we'd like tohave a talk. And they really seemed6200:04:56,680 --> 00:04:59,920to imply, according to what wehear, that they wanted to make it6300:05:00,319 --> 00:05:02,240like enough is enough, let's dothis. We're done, like we're to6400:05:02,319 --> 00:05:06,639hunt over one hundred and ten daysnow, writers Gil went to the meeting.6500:05:08,920 --> 00:05:12,920Meeting turned out to some of thebiggest dealmakers in Hollywood like Ted Srrandos,6600:05:13,199 --> 00:05:17,240Warner Brothers, Discovery boss David Zaslov, Universal boss Donna Langley, and6700:05:17,360 --> 00:05:20,560Disney boss Bob Iger, to namea few who were in the room at6800:05:20,600 --> 00:05:26,040this off site meeting. They werenot so good at reading the room,6900:05:26,040 --> 00:05:30,480it seems. According to the WGA, they were given a lecture about how7000:05:30,480 --> 00:05:33,240they should be so thankful for whatthey're being offered and come on, guys,7100:05:33,240 --> 00:05:36,079just go with it and take it. And the WJA said, well,7200:05:36,120 --> 00:05:41,439hold on, why you're offering usor what you offered us as almost7300:05:41,480 --> 00:05:46,160two weeks ago reads good at thetop line or when you get into the7400:05:46,160 --> 00:05:49,079details. They referred to a lotof loopholes and limitations and stuff like that,7500:05:49,480 --> 00:05:53,959and that's issues that we need todeal with. And these issues need7600:05:54,000 --> 00:05:56,439to be dealt with in a comprehensiveway. We're not going to pick them7700:05:56,480 --> 00:06:00,240off as you guys tend to liketo do in your negotiations. And supposedly7800:06:00,639 --> 00:06:06,319the studios were adasted that the writersdidn't immediately accept what they were offered and7900:06:06,319 --> 00:06:13,959feel so thankful and we're shocked.And so last on August twenty second,8000:06:15,959 --> 00:06:19,839literally less than half an hour afterthe meeting was concluded, So around eight8100:06:19,839 --> 00:06:25,199o'clock at night, the AMPTP,who represents the studios and streamers in these8200:06:25,240 --> 00:06:30,240negotiations, sent out a press releasewith saying, oh my god, look8300:06:30,240 --> 00:06:32,360at this great thing we gave tothem on August eleventh, and it's all8400:06:32,399 --> 00:06:36,079full of this great stop and amazingand this is incredible. Now, these8500:06:36,120 --> 00:06:40,959two sides are supposed to have amedia blackout. Obviously at Deadline dot com8600:06:41,040 --> 00:06:43,399we have sources on both sides andwe're talking to a lot of people,8700:06:43,439 --> 00:06:45,759so we know a lot about's goingon. But officially they have a media8800:06:45,800 --> 00:06:48,560blackout. Clearly they did not havea media blackout in August twenty second.8900:06:48,920 --> 00:06:54,240So this thing comes out, andagain top line looks really good. We're9000:06:54,240 --> 00:06:57,120gonna give them all this money,We're gonna do all this stop controls,9100:06:57,199 --> 00:07:01,560over all sorts of things, moretransparency than ever these confidential memos. But9200:07:01,600 --> 00:07:08,000then you go down into the fineprint, and oddly enough, the AMPTP9300:07:08,399 --> 00:07:12,600included an appendix which had all thisfine print, and when you started reading9400:07:12,639 --> 00:07:15,319it, a lot of these dealslook kind of shaky, defining well,9500:07:15,399 --> 00:07:18,959yes you can do this, butwho is doing this? What now constitutes9600:07:19,000 --> 00:07:24,199a showrunner? All this sort ofstuff in there. I'm telling you guys9700:07:24,240 --> 00:07:29,839all this stuff because here's here's thepunchline. About four hours later, the9800:07:30,040 --> 00:07:35,360WGA responded and they basically called BSand said this was not a negotiation.9900:07:35,800 --> 00:07:40,319This meeting was an attempt to makeus cave. To quote them, They10000:07:40,399 --> 00:07:45,360kind of followed up on stuff thatwe have reported earlier that you know the10100:07:44,319 --> 00:07:48,439the the strategy of the MPTP isthis divide and conquer, hope to turn10200:07:48,480 --> 00:07:51,920them against each other and make thewriters, some of the writers force their10300:07:53,000 --> 00:07:56,480leadership to take a deal just toget a deal. Obviously, a lot10400:07:56,519 --> 00:08:00,240of people are hurting economically, bothin the industry and all around it Lay10500:08:00,279 --> 00:08:03,120County. You know, the guywho provides the red plastic cups for catering,10600:08:03,519 --> 00:08:07,759he's not providing them because there's nothingto cater now, the dry cleaners,10700:08:07,759 --> 00:08:11,639the guy who provides lumber for theset designers and production designers, that's10800:08:11,680 --> 00:08:15,519not happening. So we're seeing amulti billion dollar blast radius here. And10900:08:15,720 --> 00:08:20,199the writers are simply saying at thispoint you're not bargaining with us. You11000:08:20,240 --> 00:08:22,920just want to jam us up,and we're not going to do that.11100:08:24,560 --> 00:08:28,480So it's gonna be really interesting tosee where this goes next. Now,11200:08:28,079 --> 00:08:33,919you have to always know there arethree things that are always true about Hollywood11300:08:33,000 --> 00:08:37,600labor negotiations, which I've been coveringfor about twelve years. In any negotiation,11400:08:39,440 --> 00:08:46,480one, nobody gets everything they want. Two, Eventually there is a11500:08:46,559 --> 00:08:50,679deal at the end of the somewhere, somehow in my mediator might come in,11600:08:50,720 --> 00:08:52,720it might be for us, itmight be this, someone might finally11700:08:52,720 --> 00:08:56,840figure out a mechanism, but there'salways a deal. And the third thing11800:08:56,960 --> 00:09:01,519is there's a reason they call thisshow business and not show friends, and11900:09:01,600 --> 00:09:05,879that a lot of these people whoare adversaries now, both internally and between12000:09:05,919 --> 00:09:09,440the parties or the unions and thestudios, will obviously be working together in12100:09:09,480 --> 00:09:13,360the future at one point. ButI do think that this has become an12200:09:13,399 --> 00:09:16,799inflection point now. And I thinkif there was any notion that there was12300:09:16,840 --> 00:09:20,919going to be some sort of quickagreement, and look, I'll add a12400:09:20,960 --> 00:09:26,759fourth one to this list, everybody'sposturing at some point. I don't think12500:09:26,759 --> 00:09:33,440that's going to happen. I thinkI think the AMPTP really really strategically misread12600:09:33,799 --> 00:09:41,200the situation and in releasing that Augusteleventh proposal, have put themselves in a12700:09:41,240 --> 00:09:46,799position where probably the most strident andmilitant union in Hollywood, the Writer's Guild,12800:09:46,320 --> 00:09:50,440has become even more strident and militantin the past seventy two hours or12900:09:50,440 --> 00:09:54,039so. Wow. So you know, we're at the point we're almost at13000:09:54,080 --> 00:09:58,360four months now. Are we gettingto the point where this is going to13100:09:58,399 --> 00:10:03,080start a I mean, obviously itwas always going to affect production and has13200:10:03,159 --> 00:10:07,320it's stopped, But are we gettingto a point where as consumers we're going13300:10:07,360 --> 00:10:13,120to see huge gaps in the pipelineor less content now that we're getting to13400:10:13,240 --> 00:10:20,320you know, we're really getting inan extended period here. Well, I13500:10:20,360 --> 00:10:24,440mean I think what you're is theregoing to be dead air on network television?13600:10:24,559 --> 00:10:28,080No? Is there going to bedrama on network television, not a13700:10:28,159 --> 00:10:33,200lot of original drama. You know, ABC will be replaying Miss Marvel,13800:10:33,320 --> 00:10:37,759which they debuted on Disney Plus.That's also partially to promote the Marvels movie,13900:10:37,759 --> 00:10:41,440which is coming out in November,and that's an important thing Let's remember14000:10:41,480 --> 00:10:45,679it's not just the WJA on stright now, it's also the Actors Union14100:10:45,679 --> 00:10:50,440sag AFRO. So not only doyou have nothing being created anew, but14200:10:50,559 --> 00:10:54,879you don't have anyone promoting anything.So when you have a movie like Blue14300:10:54,919 --> 00:10:58,200Beetle, which is a groundbreaking movieand especially in terms of Latino representation and14400:10:58,279 --> 00:11:01,600what have you, with some bignames in it, George Lopez and many14500:11:01,639 --> 00:11:05,240others, none of those people wentout and promoted that movie. So Warner14600:11:05,240 --> 00:11:09,879Brothers are left with a multimillion dollarmovie that isn't looking like it's going to14700:11:09,919 --> 00:11:13,519recoup anything soon. It's opening weekendwas certainly underwhelming, to put it mildly,14800:11:15,360 --> 00:11:18,799a few, you know, evenFran Dresser, the head of sag14900:11:18,879 --> 00:11:22,840AFRA, said that she now believesthat the studios and streamers desire for an15000:11:22,840 --> 00:11:28,120extra twelve days in the negotiation withthe Actors Union was just so they could15100:11:28,120 --> 00:11:31,759promote things like Oppenheimer and Barbie Wowsome degree, the Latest Mission impossible.15200:11:33,000 --> 00:11:35,759So when you look at what's goingto be on your screen and what would15300:11:35,759 --> 00:11:39,679be the fall season starting in abouta month, you're gonna have stuff on15400:11:39,720 --> 00:11:43,200your screen. A lot of it'sunscripted, You're gonna see a lot of15500:11:43,279 --> 00:11:48,200I would say, Chess moves soMiss Marvel on ABC. Yellow Stone,15600:11:48,279 --> 00:11:52,840which has been on paramount and obviouslyon the streaming and very very successful,15700:11:52,200 --> 00:11:56,879is now to have its first seasonon CBS. Lots of moves around like15800:11:56,919 --> 00:12:00,679that. New stuff which usually wouldhave been several episodes in the can by15900:12:00,679 --> 00:12:03,759now going into a fall season,which usually would have started with production and16000:12:03,799 --> 00:12:07,200writing happening in April. May clearlythat didn't happen. With the w G16100:12:07,480 --> 00:12:11,759going on strike, that's not goingto happen. I think we're getting to16200:12:11,799 --> 00:12:16,840the point where you might not evenbe able to really resurrect a mid season16300:12:16,480 --> 00:12:22,840slate of dramatic scripted originals, solike seeing Bluebloods come back in January or16400:12:22,840 --> 00:12:30,080stuff like that. The saving graceperhaps for linear TV, ABC, NBC,16500:12:30,240 --> 00:12:35,720CBS falls one have you is sports, specifically the NFL, which still16600:12:35,799 --> 00:12:43,639is alive and kicking pardon the pun, Otherwise it's gonna be thin gruel,16700:12:43,759 --> 00:12:46,840I would say, for the mostpart. Now it's a little different with16800:12:46,840 --> 00:12:50,480the streamers. They have stuff inthe pipeline and they're not really they're not16900:12:50,559 --> 00:12:54,480really held to a standard in termsof the advertising expectations and what have you.17000:12:54,559 --> 00:12:58,200Though all of them do have anad tier now, but still even17100:12:58,279 --> 00:13:03,960they are gonna see the pipeline isgoing to start dwindling to some degree.17200:13:03,360 --> 00:13:07,720Netflix have obviously been in the forefront, doing a vast amount of international purchases.17300:13:09,039 --> 00:13:11,080You know, we joke if youhad a show that was being in17400:13:11,120 --> 00:13:13,200Spain three years ago, everyone inAmerica is going to see the first two17500:13:13,200 --> 00:13:20,279seasons of it on Netflix next year. But I feel like whatever is attracting17600:13:20,320 --> 00:13:28,399people still to linear TV that contracts, so to speak, has borderline been17700:13:28,440 --> 00:13:31,759breached. And I don't really know. I mean, the NFL is always17800:13:31,799 --> 00:13:37,000the great powerhouse and it has beenfor years. As we've seen linear ratings17900:13:37,000 --> 00:13:39,960decline, I don't know if you'regonna be able to get people back.18000:13:39,200 --> 00:13:45,720Yeah. Yeah, I was readinga piece recently that said, for the18100:13:45,759 --> 00:13:52,360first time ever, there was morestreaming hours last month than linear television watching18200:13:52,480 --> 00:14:00,320hours, which you know, forme was kind of that's like a larn18300:14:00,399 --> 00:14:01,279in my head, like, uh, oh, you know, it's finally18400:14:01,399 --> 00:14:07,080happened, and it's only going toI would assume, continue to go that18500:14:07,159 --> 00:14:09,799way. And as you said,with the NFL kind of being, you18600:14:09,840 --> 00:14:16,279know, the only saving grace inthe fall for linear television. If if18700:14:16,320 --> 00:14:20,200things aren't put together for mid season, I think it's going to be a18800:14:20,399 --> 00:14:24,919even bigger drop, you know.I mean, you look now, you18900:14:24,000 --> 00:14:28,759might see, you might see.Advantages also emerged because, as that famous19000:14:28,759 --> 00:14:31,360expression of former White House Chief ofStaff Rama Manuel, never let a good19100:14:31,399 --> 00:14:35,480crisis go to way, you know, and c has things like the Walking19200:14:35,519 --> 00:14:41,039Dead Darryl Dixon spin off with NormanRitas, which could attract a lot of19300:14:41,440 --> 00:14:43,679a lot of heat. Now,I don't think it'll get back to the19400:14:43,759 --> 00:14:46,679numbers of Walking Head, Dead Headand his hey day, but it's certainly,19500:14:46,919 --> 00:14:52,080you know, that is all doneand in the can Norman will obviously19600:14:52,120 --> 00:14:54,960not be promoting that. He can'tpromote that as a member of SAGABER,19700:14:56,039 --> 00:14:58,919but that has possibilities and that,you know. But if you start looking19800:15:00,120 --> 00:15:05,080a network, a lot of NFLat, a lot of sports, and19900:15:05,200 --> 00:15:09,919a lot of unscripted, you know, a lot of unscripted again, Apple20000:15:09,960 --> 00:15:11,840TV is going to have season threeof the Morning Show with Jennifer Anderson and20100:15:11,879 --> 00:15:16,120Reese Witherspoon. That might attract attentionto it, but you know, this20200:15:16,200 --> 00:15:20,200is streaming. The streaming works ona different a different it works on a20300:15:20,240 --> 00:15:24,639different timeline altogether, it's very hardto see. If you see something like20400:15:26,159 --> 00:15:31,320season twelve of American Horror Story debutingon FFX in September twentieth, I believe20500:15:31,360 --> 00:15:35,480it's very hard to see, like, among all that jumble, how are20600:15:35,480 --> 00:15:39,000you're going to attract viewers? Andremember, part of what viewership is about20700:15:39,399 --> 00:15:45,159is this mysterious cauldron of appointment viewingand kind of flow. So you know,20800:15:45,240 --> 00:15:48,000you turn on the TV to watchsomething at eight thirty that you love20900:15:48,000 --> 00:15:50,120Abbott Elementary and you kind of hangwith it for the rest of the night,21000:15:50,320 --> 00:15:54,480and the networks depend on that tosome extent. That's very, very21100:15:54,519 --> 00:15:58,639hard to see. Do I thinkthings like the Continental, the John Wick21200:15:58,039 --> 00:16:03,200prequel of sort that Peacock is gonnahave on September twenty second, Again,21300:16:03,600 --> 00:16:07,519it's done. They can't really noactors to promote it, which is gonna21400:16:07,519 --> 00:16:11,879make it harder. But it's stillthere and it's something out there. But21500:16:11,919 --> 00:16:15,240again, that's streaming. Streaming hasthat advantage for now that is going.21600:16:15,320 --> 00:16:18,720That is going to fade as well. You just can't keep this thing going21700:16:18,879 --> 00:16:23,039endlessly, and no matter how manyCelebrity Jeopardies or celebrity Wheel of Fortunes,21800:16:23,240 --> 00:16:26,960Survivor, Amazing Rays, Massing,etcetera, etcetera, Bachelor, Golden Bachelor,21900:16:26,960 --> 00:16:30,960et cetera, et cetera. Eventuallysomeone's gonna want to see an old,22000:16:32,080 --> 00:16:36,000an old fashioned procedural and they're notfinding it on TV. They're going22100:16:36,120 --> 00:16:40,240to go to the streamers. Andagain, regardless of how this all plays22200:16:40,279 --> 00:16:45,000out, if they solved this thisweek, it's still gonna take at least22300:16:45,039 --> 00:16:48,759two months for shows to show upon television. It's gonna hit into whatever22400:16:48,840 --> 00:16:52,840scheduling and planning, which is actuallya massive deal. And you know,22500:16:52,879 --> 00:16:57,279there's kind of the kind of secretunderbellue of all this. So you getting22600:16:57,360 --> 00:17:02,559to watch the shows that you ofChicago, p D, f D,22700:17:02,720 --> 00:17:04,359whatever it is, our blue Bloodsor whatever it is you want to watch,22800:17:04,920 --> 00:17:08,359that's not even gonna happen anyway.So you're kind of planning. It's22900:17:08,400 --> 00:17:12,200like you're planning for a vacation ifthe weather doesn't go badly, and you23000:17:12,279 --> 00:17:15,960know, X factors galore and that. So I don't know, I mean,23100:17:17,039 --> 00:17:18,240I don't know. I mean,I think it's a little different when23200:17:18,279 --> 00:17:22,000you get to the big screen.But you know, some of those are23300:17:22,039 --> 00:17:25,960hard to tell. You know,the Aquaman sequel, Aquaman in the Lost23400:17:26,079 --> 00:17:29,400Kingdom, coming out from Warner Brothers, been moved a bunch of times.23500:17:29,559 --> 00:17:33,960Right now, it's for December twentieth. But you know they're looking at those23600:17:33,960 --> 00:17:37,519blue beetle numbers. Yeah, they'rethey're like, we if we don't have23700:17:37,720 --> 00:17:40,279Jason out there in my moment,if we're gonna have Jason out there pushing23800:17:40,319 --> 00:17:44,000this or Amber heard or anything,what are we gonna get. We're gonna23900:17:44,039 --> 00:17:45,559hope, We're gonna hope people aregonna want to show up again. A24000:17:45,640 --> 00:17:49,920little bit of a different thing that'shappening with things like for instance, Joaquim24100:17:49,960 --> 00:17:56,200Phoenix and Vanessa Kirby in Napoleon,which is gonna end up on Apple eventually.24200:17:56,680 --> 00:18:02,000Or you've got the new Martin ScorseseLeonardo DiCaprio movie Killers of the Flower24300:18:02,039 --> 00:18:03,839and Moon. Sorry, actually thatthat one is Apple, which is gonna24400:18:03,839 --> 00:18:07,319be in screens and then show upon Apple. So you know, big24500:18:07,400 --> 00:18:11,599screen has a little bit of wiggleroom because of the new realities. Yeah,24600:18:12,640 --> 00:18:17,759but again, no Leo to promoteit. Yep. I guess in24700:18:17,839 --> 00:18:19,440this case, Martin Scorsese is hisown brand, so you can work on24800:18:19,519 --> 00:18:26,039that one. But it's very hardto get people into things when the things24900:18:26,119 --> 00:18:30,960that attract them, the shiny babblesof celebrity, are no longer part of25000:18:30,039 --> 00:18:34,359the equation. Yeah, it's it'squite fascinating and makes at least on my25100:18:34,599 --> 00:18:41,920end for creative trying to get creativeon ways to keep a celebrity interview show25200:18:41,000 --> 00:18:45,880with no celebrity interviews. So that'sbeen fun. But uh, you know,25300:18:47,000 --> 00:18:52,319one thing that I think is interestingis that through all this U this25400:18:52,480 --> 00:18:57,480summer looks like it the movie seasoncould end up being a four billion dollars25500:18:57,759 --> 00:19:04,599season, which would uh take usback to pre pandemic times, which I25600:19:04,720 --> 00:19:08,680think tells us the power of moviegoing that I think there was a lot25700:19:08,759 --> 00:19:12,960of especially during and immediately after thepandemic, there was a lot of kind25800:19:14,039 --> 00:19:18,720of people I feel like scare talking. You know, it's a it's never25900:19:18,839 --> 00:19:22,319going back to that and uh,this is the new reality and that sort26000:19:22,359 --> 00:19:26,599of thing. And I think Barbie, especially in Oppenheimer and Super Mario Brothers26100:19:26,319 --> 00:19:30,799to an extent, have all shownthat people will still go and and so26200:19:30,920 --> 00:19:36,920I think that's kind of come atan interesting time in all of these negotiations,26300:19:37,559 --> 00:19:44,400as as you know, those numbersare showing that people will will generally,26400:19:44,799 --> 00:19:48,400you know, still go to thetheater if they see a reason too.26500:19:48,519 --> 00:19:51,279Now, of course, those areboth in my opinion, I don't26600:19:51,279 --> 00:19:55,440want to say Flash in the Pans, they're incredibly I Oppenheimer's one of my26700:19:55,599 --> 00:19:59,279top ten favorite films, and Barbiewas amazing. However, you know,26800:19:59,359 --> 00:20:02,759those are kind of of lightning anda bottle sort of thing. But I26900:20:02,880 --> 00:20:06,799think that's I think that I thinkyou're phrasing is actually really on. Flash27000:20:07,519 --> 00:20:11,759did not do so well with myfriends after all, the Ezra Miller's scandals27100:20:11,160 --> 00:20:15,880after basically like a film that isis a cameo fest. And I'm not27200:20:15,920 --> 00:20:19,319gonna give any spoilers, but ifyou've ever seen anyone who's ever been associated27300:20:19,319 --> 00:20:22,599with a DC hero movie, youmight be seeing them in this movie.27400:20:25,440 --> 00:20:29,039And it's no spoiler to say.The amazing Michael Keaton, the first of27500:20:29,160 --> 00:20:33,480the the the the contemporary big screenBatman's shows up. In fact, almost27600:20:33,480 --> 00:20:38,119every Batman shows up except Christian Baleand Valcomer. You know, I think,27700:20:38,640 --> 00:20:44,000uh, Shazam sequel, Yeah,so much. You know, I27800:20:44,119 --> 00:20:47,720think that there there were a lotof these that kind of flamed out.27900:20:48,359 --> 00:20:49,799And so I think, at thesame time as what you're saying, you're28000:20:49,839 --> 00:20:55,119the last Fast and the Furious moviedid okay? All right again, incredibly28100:20:55,400 --> 00:21:00,279big name, heavy, cop heavy. I'm wondering if amidst all all this,28200:21:00,599 --> 00:21:03,200with the strikes and the changes inour viewership, and let's admit,28300:21:03,440 --> 00:21:07,839as you said earlier, streaming hasbecome the predominant medium, and it has,28400:21:07,920 --> 00:21:11,200and whether or not you want toargue if it ruins our collective experience,28500:21:11,400 --> 00:21:14,960or you want to be honest withyourself and say, hey, studio28600:21:15,000 --> 00:21:15,799executive, I don't know about you, but the last time I was in28700:21:15,839 --> 00:21:18,559a movie theater, there were threeguys like on their phone the whole time.28800:21:18,759 --> 00:21:22,519There was popcorn on the bottom ofmy shoe. I couldn't hear the28900:21:22,599 --> 00:21:25,599thing half the time. You knowwhatever, There's some realities, and you29000:21:25,720 --> 00:21:29,880actually think that's a whole other argumentthat needs had about the future of cinema,29100:21:30,000 --> 00:21:34,559Like why aren't the cinemas cathedrals ofart as opposed to like, you29200:21:34,640 --> 00:21:40,880know, seemingly closets and shopping malls. You know, I think that you29300:21:40,960 --> 00:21:44,200might see something interesting happen with TheEqualizer three, which of course has the29400:21:44,279 --> 00:21:48,640amazing Denzel Washington in it, whois a multi generational star. And you29500:21:48,680 --> 00:21:51,279know, you just have to seea picture of Denzel smiling and you're you're29600:21:51,359 --> 00:21:53,960pretty much going to be promoted intothat movie. But I think that all29700:21:55,039 --> 00:22:00,160these changing habits are occurring. Onething when you look at movies, at29800:22:00,240 --> 00:22:06,200least you know, and this isa pithy analysis of it, but franchises29900:22:06,200 --> 00:22:08,440are failing. Brother, Yeah,they really are Barians of the Galaxy three30000:22:08,599 --> 00:22:11,480Bowing three and it didn't made it. It made it. But like if30100:22:11,480 --> 00:22:15,119you really look at what made itthis summer, and you know, if30200:22:15,119 --> 00:22:18,160you want to call Barbie a flashin the pan or Oppenheimer lightning in a30300:22:18,200 --> 00:22:22,599bottle, but these were original things. You know, what Greta gerd would30400:22:22,599 --> 00:22:26,519did with with with Barbie, whatChristopher Nolan did with Oppenheimer. You can30500:22:26,599 --> 00:22:30,519have legitimate discussions about the values ofthat, the pros and cons, but30600:22:30,599 --> 00:22:37,119you are talking about a form ofartistry. I feel like we might come30700:22:37,160 --> 00:22:40,400out of this with a very differentlandscape for the big screen as well.30800:22:40,839 --> 00:22:44,200And it might be one that isnot so superhero friendly anymore. Yeah,30900:22:44,440 --> 00:22:48,400yeah, I find that, youknow, what you're saying extremely interesting,31000:22:48,359 --> 00:22:53,440Barbie. You know, n Oppenheimerare such original besides, you know,31100:22:53,519 --> 00:23:00,559besides the fact that they are firstmeaning it's not a franchise per se.31200:23:02,599 --> 00:23:07,720They are extremely original films from youknow, the cinematography, I mean,31300:23:07,839 --> 00:23:12,799everything about them is amazing. AndI hope that Hollywood does take notice to31400:23:12,920 --> 00:23:19,119that because I hear all the timefrom listeners and readers and stuff that you31500:23:19,200 --> 00:23:22,799know, they're getting fatigue. AndI know people have been saying about superhero31600:23:22,920 --> 00:23:29,200fatigue forever, but but it's Ifeel like what they're really saying is it's31700:23:29,799 --> 00:23:33,359they want more original stuff. Theywant more creative stuff. They don't want31800:23:33,440 --> 00:23:40,640cookie cutter stuff all the time.And I hope that that I hope,31900:23:40,759 --> 00:23:45,960you know, executives take note ofthat because it has been a very interesting32000:23:45,039 --> 00:23:48,680time this summer with what's worked andwhat has it. But I mean,32100:23:48,759 --> 00:23:52,359here part of the question is,though, can they You know, Hollywood32200:23:52,480 --> 00:23:56,759is built on many things, butstability and longevity are one of them.32300:23:56,079 --> 00:24:00,160To make a film is a threeyear process, often at best, and32400:24:00,240 --> 00:24:03,440that's the fast tracking right, Soyou've got this stuff. I mean,32500:24:03,480 --> 00:24:07,880The Flash is a great example.Ezra Miller was involved in so many scandals32600:24:07,920 --> 00:24:11,880that by any other definition it wasa career killer. Yeah, but he32700:24:12,079 --> 00:24:18,160is literally often twice no spoiler meant. But you know the film has been32800:24:18,160 --> 00:24:22,079out for a bit, so youknow, often twice in every scene of32900:24:22,119 --> 00:24:26,400the movie. So at a twohundred plus million dollars budget, what are33000:24:26,440 --> 00:24:32,240you gonna do? Like, thisisn't Kevin Spacey in playing John Paul Getty,33100:24:32,559 --> 00:24:33,799you know, pull him out andbring Christopher Plummer in. Right,33200:24:34,240 --> 00:24:37,519This is Ezra Miller is the Flash. The movie is called The Flash.33300:24:37,599 --> 00:24:41,880He's in it all the time.So you're kind of you're kind of stuck.33400:24:42,319 --> 00:24:45,720You gotta go with it, likeyou can't pivot fast enough to change33500:24:45,799 --> 00:24:49,920this. So I think that that'salso part of it is there's still gonna33600:24:49,960 --> 00:24:57,200be at least another year of thisodd, uncomfortable and perhaps unprecedented friction in33700:24:57,319 --> 00:25:00,279terms of what's actually getting people intheaters. You know, the Last Mission33800:25:00,319 --> 00:25:04,960Impossible did not save cinema like theway the Top Gun sequel did with Tom33900:25:06,000 --> 00:25:11,400Cruise. Ever before, to seehow something like Napoleon or Killer Moon does,34000:25:11,759 --> 00:25:15,000which are if you use the criteriathat we're talking about, you know34100:25:15,240 --> 00:25:18,599they are original. I mean,I know there's been other movies about Napoleon34200:25:18,680 --> 00:25:22,559and what have you, but let'sbe honestly. I mean this is basically,34300:25:22,839 --> 00:25:26,599you know, this is eighteenth centuryGladiator. You know, even with34400:25:26,720 --> 00:25:30,000one of those same actors from Gladiator, so you know he's playing, he's34500:25:30,039 --> 00:25:33,400playing to his strengths. But wherethe original content whether or not you know34600:25:33,480 --> 00:25:37,799you're interested in the Emperor Napoleon ornot. But will that work? Or34700:25:38,440 --> 00:25:44,599was Oppenheimer like well that just Oppenheimerwas the counter programming to Barbie. There34800:25:44,759 --> 00:25:48,559was this great symmetry where you saw, you know, Greta Gerwig and Margot34900:25:48,599 --> 00:25:51,880Robbie holding up Oppenheimer tickets as well, like people are kind of like,35000:25:52,000 --> 00:25:55,839just get the cinemas open, getpeople in. Is that going to continue?35100:25:56,039 --> 00:26:00,119I mean, Napoleon and Killer Moonare are both Apple properties. Ultimately,35200:26:02,000 --> 00:26:04,599how does Apple promote that? Andalso then to a certain degree,35300:26:04,880 --> 00:26:10,480how much does Apple really care?Yes, they want an oscar for Coda.35400:26:10,920 --> 00:26:15,079Yes, they have a pretty muscularstreaming service with some really great shows,35500:26:15,119 --> 00:26:18,960some of which everybody knows. TedLasso some of which people forget about,35600:26:19,000 --> 00:26:23,319like for all Man time, butnow ay where they make their box35700:26:23,440 --> 00:26:26,000buddy, Yeah, you know,I people like, you know, if35800:26:26,039 --> 00:26:29,599you buy a new Apple phone,you get Apple TV for like I know,35900:26:29,640 --> 00:26:32,720a year for free or something likethat. Like they're about products,36000:26:32,920 --> 00:26:36,680you know, And they're now movingobviously into into a VR range that might36100:26:36,799 --> 00:26:40,920leave Facebook slash Meta in the dust. So that's a whole new landscape.36200:26:41,400 --> 00:26:45,079And then you got to consider thatwith all these talks and all these negotiations.36300:26:45,440 --> 00:26:47,960One thing that was very interesting abouttwo thousand and seven two thousand and36400:26:47,960 --> 00:26:52,400eight, the writers and feels likeancient times if you think about it.36500:26:52,559 --> 00:26:56,640But if you remember back then,you could go onto iTunes and download a36600:26:56,680 --> 00:26:59,920movie. It took like five hoursto do it, or five days.36700:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,920We could download a TV show,right, I remember once downloading I don't36800:27:03,079 --> 00:27:07,200people remember it Studio sixty on theSunset strip. Oh yeah, yeah,36900:27:08,160 --> 00:27:12,000after West Wing And I was inEurope with family in the summer of two37000:27:12,039 --> 00:27:14,920thousand and eight, and so beforeI left New York too, that I37100:27:15,039 --> 00:27:18,559downloaded like most of that season ofthat why I bought it and downloaded of37200:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,839Apple right again, I left mycomputer, went away for a day,37300:27:21,920 --> 00:27:25,279came back. It was there.So but in two thousand seven, two37400:27:25,279 --> 00:27:29,200thousand and eight, the Writer's Guild, one of their major sticking points was37500:27:29,279 --> 00:27:33,319this notion of what's all that goingto turn into? Like, clearly,37600:27:33,400 --> 00:27:37,079it's not gonna stop with someone buyinga show for four ninety nine. There's37700:27:37,119 --> 00:27:40,200more to this. And of coursethe more to this was Netflix and then37800:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,799Amazon and then everybody else with streamingand streaming. But coming where you're at,37900:27:42,880 --> 00:27:47,960so I wonder with a lot oftalk about AI and how that is38000:27:48,279 --> 00:27:52,759planting seeds for another revolution, whichit may or may not. It's always38100:27:52,759 --> 00:27:56,400hard to tell with new technologies.But the other element of this is what38200:27:56,599 --> 00:28:00,680about things like virtual reality and themetaverse and what have you? Like,38300:28:02,319 --> 00:28:06,160are you let's say, the cinemaspick up on what we're putting down,38400:28:06,200 --> 00:28:07,559they say, you know what,Donnic and Kyla, Right, we gotta38500:28:07,599 --> 00:28:11,880fix these up. We gotta havegrown ups in there, not teenagers who38600:28:11,920 --> 00:28:14,759don't care. We got to makesure these are beautiful places. The food's38700:28:14,759 --> 00:28:17,240got to improve, the quality ofimprove. We got to make sure no38800:28:17,279 --> 00:28:19,400one's on their phone, watch outfor acts of violence. Blah blah,38900:28:19,400 --> 00:28:22,839blah blah blah. Right, theydo all that, and then you and39000:28:22,920 --> 00:28:26,799I get these little lie sets anda headphone we put on and we just39100:28:26,960 --> 00:28:30,519experienced Star Wars for real in theback of a tie Fighter in our own39200:28:30,559 --> 00:28:34,759living room. Yeah, you know, yeah, And suddenly all those extubuters39300:28:34,799 --> 00:28:40,160are like, we can't give thisstuff away. Yeah. Yeah, It's39400:28:40,200 --> 00:28:45,599a very very interesting time. Andactually thinking about the future, not as39500:28:45,720 --> 00:28:51,200far as that, but the fall. What do we have to look forward39600:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,319to to the fall? I know, I'm looking forward to some of the39700:28:53,440 --> 00:28:57,880horror films that are coming out,and American Horror Stories, you mean,39800:28:57,960 --> 00:29:03,480like I mean like Saw X.I'm looking forward to the Nun too.39900:29:03,640 --> 00:29:07,880I'm a huge Conjuring Universe fan.I love any horror and of course I'm40000:29:07,920 --> 00:29:11,000looking forward to the new installment ofAmerican Horror Story, which see how that40100:29:11,160 --> 00:29:17,319turns out, and and uh,the both of the Apple Films movie.40200:29:18,240 --> 00:29:22,160Yes, yes, that those I'mexcited about that. What do what do40300:29:22,279 --> 00:29:25,960people have? You know? Whatare we What are the big things you're40400:29:26,240 --> 00:29:30,440you're thinking is going to hit thisthis fall? Well, I'll start on40500:29:30,519 --> 00:29:33,480the big screen. I'll move tothe small big screen. Killers of the40600:29:33,480 --> 00:29:38,240Flower Moon, Indo DiCaprio, Robertde Niro, Monin Scorsese, Holy Trinity40700:29:38,319 --> 00:29:44,640of American Cinema. I would sayThe Exorcist Believer because I love the Exorcist40800:29:44,640 --> 00:29:48,759movie. Yeah, Ordinary Angels withthat Hillary Swink, I think it is40900:29:48,759 --> 00:29:52,559going to be very interesting. Remember, Killers of the Flower Moon will be41000:29:52,599 --> 00:29:56,160in theaters and then it will beon Apple. Napoleon from Ridley Scott with41100:29:56,240 --> 00:30:00,000Joaquin Phoenix and Vanessa Kirby. Reallylooking forward to that. Never really understood41200:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,680why people are into Napoleon, butalways understand why people are into Ridley Scott.41300:30:03,400 --> 00:30:06,359And that again is also gonna bein theaters. It's gonna be on41400:30:06,400 --> 00:30:11,640a small screen. I think thenew Ava da Verne film based on the41500:30:11,680 --> 00:30:15,640Isabella Wilkinson movie cast doesn't have adate yet, doesn't have a distributor,41600:30:15,759 --> 00:30:18,720debuting at the Venice Film Festival.But Ava is always an interesting, groundbreaking41700:30:18,759 --> 00:30:22,359filmmaker. This is her first returnto the big screen in several years,41800:30:22,640 --> 00:30:26,799having moved mamily into the television.I mean winning shows like When They See41900:30:26,880 --> 00:30:30,240Us, So that should be veryinteresting to see. Sofia Coppla's Priscilla,42000:30:30,519 --> 00:30:33,079I mean, I know we gotElvis last year. But I gotta tell42100:30:33,160 --> 00:30:37,440you, I think the Priscilla's storyslightly they also based on tragic current events42200:30:37,519 --> 00:30:41,799in her life and her family's life, could be the more interesting one.42300:30:41,119 --> 00:30:45,079I think that, as I saidbefore Equalizer three, because it's Denzel dude.42400:30:45,119 --> 00:30:51,240Absolutely, I think those are somereally really interesting ones, interesting to42500:30:51,359 --> 00:30:53,839see. You know, we talka lot at Deadline, especially our box42600:30:53,920 --> 00:31:00,359office maestro Anthony dallas Sandro, aboutyou know, where is the tipping point42700:31:00,440 --> 00:31:04,039that the labor strife could bring.For instance, if the Dunes sequel is42800:31:04,160 --> 00:31:08,359moved, if Aquaman and the LostKingdom are moved again, that's gonna show.42900:31:08,720 --> 00:31:11,960Okay, this is a write offthis year, you know. So43000:31:11,400 --> 00:31:15,759I think things like that are reallyout there. So those are ones I'm43100:31:15,799 --> 00:31:18,519really looking to. There. There'sa new version of The Color Purple obviously43200:31:18,680 --> 00:31:22,640well you know, coming out onChristmas, musical version hopefully. I think43300:31:22,680 --> 00:31:26,559those are good. You know,we talked a little bit about some stuff.43400:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,920I'm I'm a big Walking Dead fan, so I'm into Walking Dead,43500:31:30,000 --> 00:31:33,039Darryl Dixon. I'm basically like,what took you so long? I'm also43600:31:33,200 --> 00:31:37,480into We Don't you know when itcomes out? The one The Machine and43700:31:38,240 --> 00:31:41,559Rick Rimes want a mini series thatis gonna be Yeah, yeah, is43800:31:41,599 --> 00:31:47,400that this fall? I think so. I think I think that one's also43900:31:47,720 --> 00:31:49,759or maybe early next year. Butyou know, again, these are also44000:31:49,839 --> 00:31:53,319movable feasts. Yeah, American horrorstory always interests me, you know,44100:31:53,359 --> 00:31:56,640even if it's even if it's justa hate watch. Yes, I think44200:31:56,720 --> 00:32:00,720I think those are those Some ofthose are fun. I think. You44300:32:00,799 --> 00:32:04,720know, there's gonna be a newseason of Top Boy on Netflix, season44400:32:04,799 --> 00:32:07,640three, which is the final season, so I'm into that. So there's44500:32:07,720 --> 00:32:12,319The Boys spin off gen V,which is coming I believe at the end44600:32:12,359 --> 00:32:15,480of September on Amazon. You know, I love the Boys. I just44700:32:15,559 --> 00:32:17,240think they're amazing. So let's seewhere that goes. So I think there's44800:32:17,240 --> 00:32:22,720a lot of stuff out there.The question is is you know, is44900:32:22,759 --> 00:32:25,799it you know there's another yet anotherone of the Power franchises coming out,45000:32:25,920 --> 00:32:31,440Power Force. The question is,like anything in this era, and we're45100:32:31,480 --> 00:32:34,839still in the era of PETTV.But if it doesn't seem like it right45200:32:34,880 --> 00:32:38,119now, it's finding all this yeah, you know. Yeah, recently we45300:32:38,200 --> 00:32:43,240had the third and final season ofReservation Dogs, which isn't quite over yet,45400:32:43,240 --> 00:32:45,799but almost. Reservation Dogs one ofthose acclaimed shows around, though snubbed45500:32:45,880 --> 00:32:50,559endlessly at the Emmy's. But amidstall this, with the labor strife,45600:32:50,920 --> 00:32:54,039with the industry shifts and change andstuff like that, it felt like,45700:32:54,200 --> 00:32:59,759unfortunately, this incredibly original show gotoverlooked because we're just trying to all figure45800:32:59,799 --> 00:33:00,960out where this goes. Yeah,you know, I like to use my45900:33:01,319 --> 00:33:05,039uncle Steve and my Auntie Rose,who are in their eighties now. I46000:33:05,160 --> 00:33:07,599often use them as a barometer becausethey don't know anything. They maybe they46100:33:07,680 --> 00:33:10,200know who Ted Serrando's is, butthey don't really know any of these guys46200:33:10,240 --> 00:33:13,720are right. They know some guyruns Disney, but they don't know who46300:33:13,759 --> 00:33:16,680these people are we talked about allthe time. But for them, there's46400:33:16,720 --> 00:33:21,119some real stuff at real shows theylove, like Blue Blood's right, and46500:33:21,240 --> 00:33:23,599when to them when that's not on, when when their man Tom Saleck is46600:33:23,640 --> 00:33:28,079not coming back. That feels likea disruption to them, and not the46700:33:28,160 --> 00:33:30,720type of disruption that corporate types loveto brag about. So then you find46800:33:30,799 --> 00:33:35,279yourself, I think, in asituation and this is the greatest unknown of46900:33:35,319 --> 00:33:39,440all of this. At what pointdo you lose people. Yea, at47000:33:39,519 --> 00:33:45,640what point does TV or cinema becomea CD? And you're just like,47100:33:46,119 --> 00:33:50,319I don't do CDs, dude,They're not even good coasters anymore. I47200:33:50,400 --> 00:33:53,799got Spotify, I got Amazon,I got Apple Music, I got five47300:33:53,960 --> 00:33:59,039hundred million songs in my phone.Why would I buy a CD? Yeah?47400:33:59,119 --> 00:34:01,039You know, someone go go withsound quality and you're like, I47500:34:01,119 --> 00:34:04,240listen to it on my adphones.Dude, it's compressed. I don't care,47600:34:04,559 --> 00:34:07,119you know, Like, if that'swhat you're worried about, you clearly47700:34:07,160 --> 00:34:10,559have never heard of the entire historyof radio, you know. So it's47800:34:12,159 --> 00:34:19,079it's the Chinese have that expression,you know, I hope you live in47900:34:19,199 --> 00:34:22,239interesting times. But interesting times doesn'talways mean interesting in the good way.48000:34:22,400 --> 00:34:27,280Yeah, it also means interesting inthe unsteady way. And I think that48100:34:27,360 --> 00:34:30,119that's where we're at here. Whetheror not these technologies end up being used48200:34:30,159 --> 00:34:31,079for what they think they're going tobe used for, etcetera, etcetera,48300:34:31,760 --> 00:34:36,639I don't know. But what Ido know is that there are a lot48400:34:36,800 --> 00:34:40,519of storm clouds from the strikes,to the change in technology to AI to48500:34:40,679 --> 00:34:45,599viewing habits, to the monetization becausepeople aren't making the money they want to.48600:34:45,639 --> 00:34:47,800I mean, now, the streamersare so expensive. I did some48700:34:47,880 --> 00:34:52,920maths recently. They've all hyped theirprices so much. If you have the48800:34:52,960 --> 00:34:55,599majority of the streamers now it's likeyou're paying for cabling. It's like a48900:34:55,679 --> 00:34:59,679lot one hundred bucks, right,So what's funny You're like, why don't49000:35:00,039 --> 00:35:01,639Hey, this is like we gotcord cutting and we're gonna have We're gonna49100:35:01,679 --> 00:35:06,880have broadband cutting soon. People arejust gonna like, look, I want49200:35:06,880 --> 00:35:08,079my Netflix and my Disney for mykid, and that's it. I'm done.49300:35:08,239 --> 00:35:14,719Yeah, yeah, yeah. Andthat that's actually another episode I want49400:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,159to talk to you about in thefuture is how much you know, when49500:35:17,199 --> 00:35:22,800do we cut it off? Becauseof how much everything's going up? Thank49600:35:22,880 --> 00:35:27,920you so much for speaking with me. I as always, and as I49700:35:28,000 --> 00:35:31,000say this all the time, I'mchecking deadline dot com multiple times a day49800:35:31,239 --> 00:35:35,239because it's breaking news twenty four hoursa day, seven days a week.49900:35:36,119 --> 00:35:40,920When do you rest? I sleepwhen I'm dead? There you go a50000:35:42,039 --> 00:35:46,000dominic Patton, Thank you so much. And of course, uh Deadline is50100:35:46,760 --> 00:35:52,960the destination for everything that is goingon in uh in you know, entertainment50200:35:53,199 --> 00:35:57,840Hollywood, behind the scenes, infront of the scenes, everything. It50300:35:58,000 --> 00:36:01,599is the one stop destination and Ican't thank you enough for speaking with me.50400:36:02,679 --> 00:36:09,280Thank you my friend Dom Patton.Love having him on the show always.50500:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,679I mean, he is just awealth of knowledge. That's why he50600:36:12,880 --> 00:36:17,719is senior editor Deadline Hollywood Deadline dotCom. Once again, Thanks to Tom50700:36:17,880 --> 00:36:22,639for joining me, Thank you forlistening. Get like I said, look50800:36:22,760 --> 00:36:28,840pop culture weekly. You know,I am one person and I do the50900:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,559content myself. You know, I'mlucky enough to have people that help me51000:36:31,920 --> 00:36:36,039get it out there and all thatstuff. But I'm a one man show51100:36:36,199 --> 00:36:39,800in that regard, and so there'sno way I can cover even a fraction51200:36:39,920 --> 00:36:44,559of the stuff that a Deadline does. And that's why they are my go51300:36:44,760 --> 00:36:50,119to source. I love Deadline,always have. I use them, like51400:36:50,239 --> 00:36:52,480I said, throughout the day,multiple times a day to see what is51500:36:52,519 --> 00:36:57,760going on, because they're breaking thenews of you know, pop culture,51600:36:58,119 --> 00:37:00,679what's going on in Hollywood. Sodead dot com. Thank you. Thank51700:37:00,719 --> 00:37:05,519you to Dom once again. We'llhave him on again, of course,51800:37:06,159 --> 00:37:10,679and I thank you for hanging outwith me once again. Please, if51900:37:10,719 --> 00:37:15,039you enjoy this episode, share it, hit me up. Let me know52000:37:15,159 --> 00:37:16,679what you think. What do youthink about the strike? Let's talk on52100:37:16,880 --> 00:37:24,119social I'm at KMAC music on Twitterand Instagram and threads. 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