Dave Franco & Alison Brie (Together); Anthony Mackie & the cast of Twisted Metal

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In this episode of pop Culture Weekly, Benny Panelo returns

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to discuss video game adaptations, and I speak with Anthony

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Mackie and the cast of Twisted Metal Season two, and

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Dave Franco and Alison Bree join me to discuss their

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horror film together. Let's go.

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Welcome to pop Culture Weekly with Kyle McMahon from my

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U Crave Weekly. Here's Kyle McMahon.

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Nit n no no niitt. Hello, Welcome the pop Culture

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Weekly with Kyle McMahon. I of course, I'm Kyle McMahon,

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and I thank you for joining me on another episode

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of pop Culture Weekly. Today's episode is a great one.

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We're talking video game adaptations, horror movies, flaming clown cars,

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and married people being spooky, so basically a regular Tuesday

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in this business. We're gonna kick things off with my boy,

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the Hysterical, the amazing, hilarious Benny Panella for a chat

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about the best and worst video game adaptations ever made.

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Spoiler one of us thinks Mortal Kombat is cinema. Then

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we hit the gas and barrel into the chaos of

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Twisted Metal season two with Anthony Mackie, Stephanie Beatriz, Anthony Caragan,

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Michael Jonathan Smith, Tianna o'coe, and the incredible cast. And

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finally we go out with a bang as Dave Franco

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and Alison Bree joined me to talk about their new

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horror film together, Real life married couple, Fake Life Terrified People.

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So it's perfect. So all right, let's get into it.

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I grabbed a controller of Red Bull and Benny Panella,

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so let's jump into the video game adaptation multiverse. We

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were diving into the wild, pixolated world of video game adaptations,

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because who hasn't dreamed of turning an eight bit plumber

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into a billion dollar movie franchise? Am I right? Benny Panella?

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Oh wow, look at this. I found my way back

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to the studio after how many years.

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I know, like in three years.

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Yeah, yeah, my GPS wasn't working. You make one wrong

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turn in the studio and it's just you're down a

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completely different hallway. But yeah, I'm excited that we're talking

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about video games becoming movies, the egg becoming the chicken,

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not the chicken becoming the egg.

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Exactly because you know why we're doing that. Why because

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I have Anthony Mackie and the cast of Twisted Metal

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Season two.

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Oh yeah, show looks awesome. Yeah, I remember playing that

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game when I was a kid.

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Did you watch the first season?

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I've not watched the first really great, but I've I

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played the first ever Twisted Metal back of my PlayStation one. Gosh, ah, man,

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this is like we're going back to like the late

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nineties when I was like a kid. I had a

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demo CD that Twisted Metal on it and I played

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that and I'm like, I got to get this game.

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And then I played that and I remember just loving

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that game so much.

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If you were in the demolition, yeah, what would your

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car be and what would it do?

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My car would probably be like the mild Annoyance car.

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It would just walk up, you know, drive up to

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your car and just like mildly annoy you like a

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lot of like low damage attacks.

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Yeah, so it'd be like a two thousand and one

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Onto Civic.

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It'd be like a Ford Tourus like that. Yeah.

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I am going to ask some of our guests that today.

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I'm just curious if they were in a real demolition,

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what would their car.

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Be demolition derby.

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Yeah, I don't know what mine would be. I think

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it would be an electric scooter.

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Oh okay, with a side car, a sidecar that has

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a cannon exactly. Yeah, there you go.

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And that's not a sexual reference, not.

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A sexual reference whatsoever. My Ford Tours would have a

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gun that fires pringles cans. I mean like again, it

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would like shoot like towards your tires. So it's not

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going to do much damage.

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But it could get caught in the tires.

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Yeah, there you go, could get caught in the gears exactly.

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And that you know.

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So quickly. How have you been the last three years?

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I've been great. I'm married now, I have a house. Now,

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I'm still living in Wilmington and uh, you know I

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I've Delaware, Wilmington, Delaware, yes, not Wilmington, North Carolina or Delaware, Ohio.

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I am also doing a fantasy football podcast, the LFG podcast.

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We can get the LFG oh Spotify wherever you get

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your podcast.

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Heart radio, iHeartRadio app YEP which it's free, which is free.

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But yeah, now I've just been you know, doing house

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stuff like being in an old man. I don't know.

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You you get more successful, and I just become an older,

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older man, I know.

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And you left you were like thirty and now you're

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like ninety. Yes, you're like you were talking earlier about

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I found this great show. Two great shows, House and Seinfelm,

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Like they haven't been around since last century.

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So in the next three years, when you have me

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on again, I'll be telling you the wonderful uh discovery

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of Survivor.

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Yeah.

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Roots, Okay, there's a show called Roots.

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So video game adaptations, yes, So first of all, just

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in general, how do you feel about them?

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It can be tricky when you take a like here's

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the thing. The beautiful things about video games, obviously, depending

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on the game, is you you are the main character.

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You know, while there is a main character, there's a

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story in the game, you are effectively the player. You

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are the main character. Right with a movie, you're just

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kind of along for the ride. And I think that's

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the challenge when you take a video game and move

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it to the big screen. You know, it can be

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very tricky to do that. You know. There and we'll

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talk about good and bad like there there are some

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that I think did a really great job of doing it,

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and there's others where I think, you know, maybe you

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should have just not done it. You have to understand

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how to be able to take a story that the

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player controls and move that into a realm where the

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viewer still feels like they're in control while they're also

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watching it unfold.

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Yeah, I think that's a really good assessment. I also

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think you're a big fan of like Red Dead Redemption, right,

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and so you love that, you play that, you've played

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multiple games, like you're in the lore with something a

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project that you've loved so much and have spent so

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many hours in. Then seeing it in a new medium,

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you're like, you're gonna have high expectations for that, Like

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you've spent a lot of time and investment in this

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world and you want it to like representative of that

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world that you've lived in.

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Exactly.

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Yeah, and really quickly. There is no movie or show, right.

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No, but I will say this, the Red Dead Redemption

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games are the closest you'll get to a video game movie,

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like to me, like both happening at the same time,

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like you literally playing a movie. They are beautiful, they're well,

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well they're they're graphically beautiful and they're visually gorgeous number two.

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The stories are just so engaging because you feel like

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you are this character. They do a great job of that.

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I think that's what they're a great template for. If

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you're gonna do this, you know, follow this a little bit.

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And that's a good segue into taking a video game

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that's like a like Mario for example, being able to

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take that applying a little bit of the Red Dead

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formula to it and making it into a movie. I

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think that's a really good kind of segue into it.

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But I love those games. They're they're outstanding. Why And uh, well,

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I mean obviously I've talked about like how engaging the

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story is, but like there's something to this is like

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I'm trying to condense a really big thought into a

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couple of sentences here. But I think there's something that

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is so fascinating about the wild West, Like we like when,

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like when I was a kid watching old Western movies,

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even if they were stupid, that even that fascinating because like, man,

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was it really like that? You know, we see it

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on film, we read it about it in books, but

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we don't know if it was actually like that or not.

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But it's kind of cool to see. You know, maybe

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not that crazy of a spaghetti western playout, but it's

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kind of cool to be and be a part of that,

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you know. I just I'm mystified by that. I love that.

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I knew you would be the perfect person for this,

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because one, you know, my video game experience is primarily

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I mean, when I was a kid, I did all

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the marios and all that, but my big stuff was

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Call of Duty and Fortnite. Yeah, and so, and I

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spent hours and hours and hours and hours and hours.

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You know, God knows how much time I spent playing

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Fortnite and Call of Duty. So that's kind of except

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when I was a kid with like Super Mario Kart

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and all those. That's kind of the extent of my

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video game stuff. So I thought you'd be a great counterpoint,

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or not counterpoint, but a counterpart to this. All right,

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let's start with kind of the origins of video game adaptations.

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I would argue that Super Mario Brothers in nineteen ninety

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three was probably the first one.

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Do you think if I would think the Super Mario

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Brothers movie from that early on. Now, whether that movie

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was great or not, people can debate.

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But yeah, and quickly just started to interrupt, so I

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just googled it. Super Mario Brothers is the first live

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action film based on a video game, released May twenty eighth,

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nineteen ninety three, to both critical and commercial failure.

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Remember that one it was that was so ridiculous.

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I look back on it fondly now though, like as

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like a cheesy, campy disaster.

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Yeah, I can appreciate practical effects in the movie. If

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your movie's gonna flop, but they used practical effects, I'll

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take it. I'll take you tried. There's effort there, there's

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heart there. I think there's a charm to it. Definitely

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not great, I wouldn't, you know, if it's on if

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it's on the TV, I'll watch it for a little

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bit that I'm switching to something else. But a good

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like four out of ten movie, you know, like a

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could have been a little better.

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Yeah, I think it could have been a lot better.

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And then came what a couple of years later, Straight

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Fighter in Mortal Kombat. Yes, Mortal Kombat, which like they

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were camp be cheesy, but they had some like cool,

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technoish dance soundtracks.

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I might get this fact completely wrong, and it really

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doesn't have much to do with our conversation, but that

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because those one of those. I think they came around

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around the same time. Street Fighter in Mortal Kombat. The

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nineties for video game adaptations was interesting. It was very interesting.

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It was a camp fest. Yeah, just one campy thing

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after the next.

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That's a great way to put it, which is interesting

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because those games weren't necessarily campy. I mean, I guess

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if you think about it, Super Mario Brothers, the original games,

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like you have two Italian brothers in what suspended? What

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do you call those?

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Or overalls overall overalls, color coordinated, ye go, riding on

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turtles for like superpower or is.

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It a stat they're plumbers? Like are we were? You

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stab the plumbers? So there were two Italian plumbers. They

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they fixed the pipe.

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Right, you know it kind of wait, is that a stereotype?

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That's very Probably I'm Italian. I don't think it's I

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don't think. I don't care half what I mean.

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I don't care either.

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But if you're offended by Italian plumbers, I mean, oh

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my god, like, don't go on the internet ever, You're good.

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But uh, I mean, I guess, so, I guess if

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you look at it in that way. Now they're kind

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of campy, yeah, like if you look at Redemption versus

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Super Mario Mario Brothers, like but it was also of

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the time too, you know what I mean. Like I

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feel like the eighties was kind of campy and big

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hair and big like sparkles and stuff like.

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Poppy colors and like yeah, like Neon and all that stuff,

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and the early nineties was like trying to exist that

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until what it became its own thing.

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Yeah, and then then you have Super Mario Brothers the movie,

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which was not at all like that.

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No, it was like dark and it was very much

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like like Who Framed Roger Rabbit? Like one like ghost

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The Ghostbusters move like very practical, very dark, very set up.

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It's very of its time. You can tell a movie

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from the night like this is from the nineties like that. Yeah,

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especially now where you know you have all this CGI

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and stuff and even to a degree you're you're seeing

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AI starting to get involved in the movies a little bit.

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But I think I think maybe people need to watch

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a little bit of that first movie just to kind

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of see what we're talking about. But it is very campy.

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Bowser and I thought we can I don't think we're

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spoiling anything here. The movie's out set for like thirty

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two years. The movie's been out for seventy five that

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he just saw it, by the way, he just learned

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about it as Wow. I was like, wow, this is

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a new movie. Like Bowser is like a real person

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for some reason. Yeah, I don't know. There's some weird

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visions in that movie.

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I wonder if that came down to budget. I mean,

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I don't I dropped my cane.

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But maybe it was a budget thing. Maybe it was

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just like a because the I forget the actor they

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got to play Bowser, but it's not like a nobody.

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Yeah, yeah it was. He was kind of so looking

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at this. They had Bob Haskins. Yes, it was like

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like a Shakespearean actor at the time. John Leguizamo, Yeah,

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he's great.

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Dennis Hopper was Bowser.

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Dennis. Yeah, you're not putting a mask on Dennis Hopper.

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Like they had some like pretty Good Tale mentioned booking

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Dennis Hopper and saying all right, we're gonna put a

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giant Bowser head on. Yeah, I'm not doing that.

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Oh Fisher Stevens was in that too.

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Yeah, No, I was that. Those are my thoughts on

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the first, uh, the first video game to become a movie.

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And it's almost like after a Super Mario Brothers Street Fighter,

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Immortal Kombat all kind of bombed, why did Hollywood keep

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trying to make I mean, obviously the answer is money.

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It's kind of fascinating now that they didn't take a

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beat and be like, all right, let's go back and

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think things out for a couple of years.

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Because if that happened now, they would take a beat.

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They would immediately be like, oh right, we're not doing that,

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you know, like well they just try every they just

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they just keep they keep plowing forward, you know.

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God love them all right. So it's interesting to me

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that the TV adaptations really, i would say, only happened

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more recently.

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Yeah, it's it's kind of interesting. Like obviously, the big

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one that we'll talk about is going to be Last

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of Us, that video game a TV show, and there's

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probably there's plenty of debate about what they've done so

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far with that TV show. But it is interesting because

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when you think of like Saturday Morning cartoons, like at

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some point you would think, like, man, they would have

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to have even in like the eighties or nineties, thought

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like Hey, pac Man, or hey, let's do like a

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even a Space Invaders cartoon for kids on Sunday morning.

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Cartoons like that would have been perfect. Yeah, but they

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just you know, they want to they I think that

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era of Hollywood was all about taking big swings, and

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that eventually led to some of the great things we

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saw in the nineties, some of the great practical, you know,

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small movies in the nineties. But you know, like you said,

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after the bombs that you had in like the late

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eighties early nineties, of all these movies they try to

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do from video games, they kind of they kind of

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chilled out a little bit. And then I think TV

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did the same thing. I think TV's TV's even more

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reactionary than Hollywood, where you know, if you're not making

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money quick in TV, yeah, you're in for a rough one.

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Yeah. And I guess it wasn't really until video game

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adaptations and movies became more successful that then they started

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venturing into TV where you get things like the Witcher,

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Arcane from Legal Legends, yep, the Last of Us, even Hey,

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I remember Halo, which, by the way, we had Pablo

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Schreiber has been on the show Halo. I remember everybody

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looking forward to when they announced the Halo series like

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five years before it came out, because that was just

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such a big game. And then you have, like you said,

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Last of Us was I would say the biggest TV adaptation,

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wouldn't you.

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I would say for Last of Us in terms of hype,

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that was probably the one video game getting a TV

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show that was like, Okay, this is big. That like

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Last of Us to people that have played that video

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game is the way I think of like Red Dead,

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Redemption like this, getting a video game like a higher

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love this video game getting a TV show is going

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to be amazing. Now we need debate obviously the way

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they've handled it. I don't think they've handled it too well.

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But I still think like taking a game like that

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and moving it to TV really set the tone for

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other games to get at their opportunity to even if

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even if there's flop after flop after flop. Now it's

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a thing like now that this. I mean, Last of

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Us was sold millions, millions, millions millions of copies, and

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that's another game' I've beaten, I've played, I've played through

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the game at least seven times, Like I will go

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back and just play. I'll go back and just watch

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on YouTube. When I'm working, I'll just listen to people

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playing the game because it's it's a fascinating game. It

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is just such an interesting story. It's also another situation

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where we're talking about a world that you live in

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a little bit different, you know obviously, like you know,

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we don't there's no threat of a zombie apocalypse in

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our world right now, but there right now there could be,

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you know, you never know, and it's it's just interesting

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to like experience that, you know. Yeah, and it was

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see that's a video game. That is that is a

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great video game to turn into a movie, to turn

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into a TV show because there's plenty of story there.

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But you know, it's open world ish. Yeah, and I

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think that's the that's the per type of game to

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be made into a movie I and TV show in

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this case.

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Uh.

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And it's a huge hit and then it's up for noms. Yeah,

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you know what I mean, that's pretty You can't get

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more legit, at least in regards to legitimacy as a

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TV show than an Emmy nomination.

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Yeah, you know what I mean, it's it's done it's

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done very well. I think if you asked a lot

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of like hardcore people that have played the video game,

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they probably would have some other opinions on it. But yeah, no,

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I mean it's it's been so successful. And again, this

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is that, this is the this is the this is

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the same thing as video game. Like the one video

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game that became a great successful movie. This is the

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one video game that became a great successful TV show.

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Now that they've seen that they can make money off

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of this and it can be profitable and it can

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be successful also critically successful, there will continue to be

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video games made into TV shows. There will continue to

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be video games made into movies because of Last of Us,

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because you know the other successful adaptations in the movie

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The Witcher.

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Did you ever play the game?

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Never got a chance to play The Witcher, But I'm

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very familiar with the game.

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Did you watch the show?

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I've watched the show. My thing is like I would

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I would watch a show made after a video game,

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Like if they made a Red Dead Redemption TV show,

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I probably would actually watch that because I love that

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game to the end of my life. But I Witcher.

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I'm very familiar with the story. I have no idea

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how you can make a TV show out of that

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and not incorporate a lot of the stuff that was

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in that video game. But I'm fascinating, why, what do

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you mean it's the video there's a lot of nudity.

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There's a lot of well, apparently there.

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Was a lot of nudity in the Witcher. Wasn't it

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that there was a big controversy over Harry Henry Cavill's

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dong or something.

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Yeah, I do remember that. I do remember that. Yeah, Okay,

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I guess they didn't pull any punches.

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It was what HBO or something I think, or Netflix.

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I was gonna Netflix if.

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It was on, Like, if it was only Hulu, I

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think I'd probably be like, oh yeah, Hulu. Okay, Paramount

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plus Henry Cavill's thing, and I heard it was super Superman.

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I heard Henry Cavill's dong was super It was a

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bad jo.

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It's a great joke.

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I got it has the s on it.

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And as a okay, big screen hits and misses. So

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let's talk about should we talk about the bad or

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the good first?

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I always like to get the bad out of the way.

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I think we've talked about a lot of the good.

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I think it's time for a little dip in conversation

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and let's let's get into the bad.

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Okay, so you want to talk about Assassin's Creed, which

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is on the list. Anyway, What the hell did they do?

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I've never seen it. Explain it to me.

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Okay. So well, I've played the video games, and I

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am a second to Red Dead Redemption. Assassin's Creed is

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some of my favorite video games ever. My favorite is

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obvious is Black Flag. That is that is the closest

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thing you'll get to like playing it. Playing Pirates of

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the Caribbean's a fantastic game. Really. Oh yeah, do you

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ever played Black Flag?

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No?

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Oh my god, I love you so Okay, open world

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in the Caribbean. We're talking about like a borderline GTA

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sized map and you're just you're there's islands you can

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go to.

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Oh that's cool.

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Oh, it's so cool.

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And this is Assassin's Creed Black Flag.

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This is the fourth assassins Okay, in terms of the sequence,

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this is the fourth Assassin's Creed game, because there was

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obviously the first one, which was in the Middle East.

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First game is difficult because it's like it's like borders

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Turkey and Jerusalem and that kind of area. But it's

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it's like in the it's like the one thousands, uh,

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the second one, and the second one is in Italy.

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And then there's Brotherhood, and there's two games that came

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off that Brotherhood's one of them, and I forget the

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other one, but I played both of those. I just

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forget the other one. And then the third one was

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based in America. The fourth one was Black Flag. So

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in terms of the big marquee games, and they would

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make little small ones after that.

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So really quickly give me the gist of Assassin's creed,

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like what is it about?

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Sure? There, so effectively you play history, so you you

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know major events in history, the assassination of Julius Caesar,

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the like the rise of the American Revolution, the downfall

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of the Roman Empire. With the newer games you're playing

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like in Egypt and stuff, and you know, the the

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death of one of the pharaohs.

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And so are you the assassin?

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You are the assassins, So you're the villain trying to

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kill those not not necessarily so they their interpretation of

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history is very different from what we've been taught.

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It's it's very it's very interesting in that sense. There's

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no short way to describe Assassin's Creed aside from like

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you run around jumping off stuff and killing people, like

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that's that's what. That's what like people that have bones

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for brains would say, but like people like me would say, like,

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you're it's impossible just kind of consolidate. But I will

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say this, there's the main part of it, which is

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kind of our history and how their game fits into

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our history. And then there's a bigger over arching story

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about the end of time and the end of civilization

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and how there was a pre civilization before ours. It's

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this big giant story that being said. When they made

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it into a movie, oh my god, it looked horrible.

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It was a CG I was like CGI slop. It

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was in that awkward era of movies. I want to say.

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It came out in like twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen, the

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Assassin's Creed movie. I might be completely wrong on that,

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but it was like CGI crap. I've I was so

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disappointed in it. Twenty sixteen.

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So Michael Fassbender was in it.

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He's a great actor.

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Yeah. Marion Cotillard, who was in another great actor. Jeremy Irons.

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Jeremy Irons is a great actor.

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Wow.

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I think this is a case of like all the

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kings horses and all the King's men couldn't put Humpty

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Dumpty back together again. Yeah, because you could have gotten

483
00:23:54.079 --> 00:23:57.200
Martin Scorsese to direct this movie and it's still probably

484
00:23:57.200 --> 00:24:00.000
would have been terrible. Like it just it's a difficult

485
00:24:00.079 --> 00:24:04.079
thing to move to a movie because you are, like

486
00:24:04.160 --> 00:24:08.279
you are the assassin. You make, like you make the missions,

487
00:24:08.319 --> 00:24:11.079
you make the story. The actions you do actually kind

488
00:24:11.119 --> 00:24:12.920
of impact the way the game's played. So it's very

489
00:24:12.920 --> 00:24:15.200
difficult to turn that into a movie. That being said,

490
00:24:15.680 --> 00:24:17.720
I think it could be done. It could be done

491
00:24:17.720 --> 00:24:19.920
a whole lot better than what they did. You know,

492
00:24:20.039 --> 00:24:22.920
you can't just like hire people that don't care about

493
00:24:22.920 --> 00:24:24.279
the game to make this game.

494
00:24:24.440 --> 00:24:25.920
So did you see the movie?

495
00:24:26.079 --> 00:24:26.400
I did?

496
00:24:26.720 --> 00:24:30.119
And as a fan, because you're a fan of the games,

497
00:24:30.720 --> 00:24:33.039
what did you not like about it? As a fan

498
00:24:33.240 --> 00:24:33.880
of the games?

499
00:24:33.920 --> 00:24:37.200
As a fan of the games, did not at all

500
00:24:37.359 --> 00:24:40.920
come close to what you get from the game, like.

501
00:24:40.400 --> 00:24:42.000
Even the essence of the game.

502
00:24:42.079 --> 00:24:44.599
Yeah, you just like you fee after you play that

503
00:24:44.640 --> 00:24:46.640
game for like that first forty five minutes, you get

504
00:24:46.640 --> 00:24:49.799
into a point where you're like, man, like I'm an assassin,

505
00:24:49.920 --> 00:24:53.039
like like you like you're stealthily trying to get through

506
00:24:53.079 --> 00:24:54.400
missions and stuff. It's kind of like if you ever

507
00:24:54.400 --> 00:24:57.359
played Hitman. Yes, yeah, so Hitman's a good example, and

508
00:24:57.400 --> 00:25:01.160
I think another situation where video game became moving very bad.

509
00:25:01.279 --> 00:25:04.319
But like when you play Hitman, after the first mission

510
00:25:04.400 --> 00:25:05.720
or so, you get into a point where you're like,

511
00:25:05.759 --> 00:25:07.279
all right, I gotta do this, I gotta do that,51200:25:07.279 --> 00:25:09.279



I gotta do all these intricate things just to get51300:25:09.319 --> 00:25:12.480



into this position. Some people play Assassin's Creed. They just51400:25:12.559 --> 00:25:15.519



bowl through each mission, you know, killing as many people51500:25:15.519 --> 00:25:17.200



as possible. But after a while you get to a51600:25:17.200 --> 00:25:19.880



point where like, how can I beat this mission as51700:25:19.920 --> 00:25:23.240



stealthily as possible? And they didn't really capture that essence51800:25:23.240 --> 00:25:28.279



of strategy and like thought and you know, like the51900:25:28.279 --> 00:25:31.640



Assassin's character from that movie is he's not a dumb52000:25:31.839 --> 00:25:35.279



like guy. He's like really intelligent, very insightful, And I52100:25:35.400 --> 00:25:37.599



just felt like they didn't do the character justice, and52200:25:37.640 --> 00:25:40.720



like you're watching this and you're just like this is52300:25:41.079 --> 00:25:43.599



I felt like that was their interpretation of the game,52400:25:43.880 --> 00:25:47.160



not the game's interpret being interpretated into him the game52500:25:47.200 --> 00:25:48.920



being turned into a movie. It was just a movie52600:25:48.920 --> 00:25:51.279



interpretating the game. That's a great way to describe it.52700:25:51.319 --> 00:26:02.400



Okay, all right, I like that Take Doom. Okay, I52800:26:02.440 --> 00:26:03.839



did forget that. I used to play do Him as52900:26:03.880 --> 00:26:06.240



a kid, played it a little bit. Jason, my best friend,53000:26:06.720 --> 00:26:08.559



him and I used to play it and then we53100:26:08.599 --> 00:26:10.920



would play each other so like see how far you53200:26:10.920 --> 00:26:12.480



can get, then see how far I could get them,53300:26:12.480 --> 00:26:14.640



blah blah, and then we would argue about it. Then53400:26:14.680 --> 00:26:17.799



that movie came out with the rock YEP, which was53500:26:17.920 --> 00:26:21.440



like it might was it maybe the first time it53600:26:21.480 --> 00:26:24.640



was like a first person movie, like they had sections53700:26:24.680 --> 00:26:25.119



remember that.53800:26:26.119 --> 00:26:28.519



There was something funky about that movie, like.53900:26:28.559 --> 00:26:30.440



Remember it was like like you were playing the game54000:26:30.440 --> 00:26:31.839



where it was like you were in the helmet.54100:26:32.759 --> 00:26:35.079



There were I think there were spurts of the movie54200:26:35.119 --> 00:26:37.720



that were like that. Okay, there there was a because54300:26:37.720 --> 00:26:39.599



there was another movie that was like that that was54400:26:39.680 --> 00:26:42.119



like a stuntman movie or something. Yeah, where like you54500:26:42.160 --> 00:26:44.240



played as like you or didn't play you watched it54600:26:44.279 --> 00:26:45.599



from the position of the stunt man.54700:26:45.720 --> 00:26:48.519



Yeah. Hardcore, Henry, hardcore Henry, That's what it was.54800:26:48.680 --> 00:26:52.240



Sorry, the moment I saw the Rock was gonna be54900:26:52.279 --> 00:26:54.720



the main character. Nothing against the Rock. I love him.55000:26:55.000 --> 00:26:56.319



I love him as a wrestler, I love him as55100:26:56.359 --> 00:26:56.720



an actor.55200:26:56.799 --> 00:27:02.519



Doom was pretty much universally panned. Was Doomed, and it55300:27:03.279 --> 00:27:07.799



made the budget. Was budget was seventy million. It made55400:27:07.839 --> 00:27:10.000



fifty eight million at the box office. It didn't even55500:27:10.039 --> 00:27:10.960



make its budget back.55600:27:11.160 --> 00:27:14.599



Oh wow, Yeah, I hope the studio was able to55700:27:14.599 --> 00:27:18.319



recover all the money they've lost. What I'll say is55800:27:18.319 --> 00:27:21.680



this tough material to make a movie out of. Yeah, Like,55900:27:21.960 --> 00:27:25.359



I I don't know what you do. Like, if someone56000:27:25.400 --> 00:27:27.000



came to you and said, hey, I want to make56100:27:27.000 --> 00:27:32.640



a movie about just the zombie vert mode of Call56200:27:32.680 --> 00:27:35.480



of Duty, you'd probably tell them, how about we don't like,56300:27:35.519 --> 00:27:37.880



how about you don't do that, because there's there's a56400:27:37.920 --> 00:27:40.640



story there. But like, I not enough to make a56500:27:40.680 --> 00:27:41.319



movie out of.56600:27:41.640 --> 00:27:44.119



You know, actually, now that you bring it up, there56700:27:44.200 --> 00:27:48.119



was a recent movie adaptation of a game that was56800:27:48.160 --> 00:27:49.039



a horror game.56900:27:49.400 --> 00:27:52.279



Oh, I know what you're talking about. I think horror57000:27:52.319 --> 00:27:55.319



games are pretty solid in terms of being able to57100:27:55.359 --> 00:27:57.680



take and make into a movie because it just they57200:27:57.759 --> 00:28:02.000



just slide so well into the framework of what a57300:28:02.039 --> 00:28:04.480



of what a horror movie needs to be a horror57400:28:04.519 --> 00:28:05.640



video game that moves into it.57500:28:05.680 --> 00:28:07.680



But what was the game until Dawn?57600:28:08.119 --> 00:28:08.839



Until Dawn?57700:28:09.000 --> 00:28:12.119



I left the movie theater.57800:28:12.400 --> 00:28:16.279



Just it's it's tough. You can't when you when you're57900:28:16.319 --> 00:28:20.240



dealing with a game that's just waves and waves and58000:28:20.279 --> 00:28:24.519



waves and there's of waves of enemies to defeat and58100:28:24.559 --> 00:28:30.319



there's no real story to it. Like again, like this58200:28:30.400 --> 00:28:32.480



is like stop, like Hollywood, don't look at that. Don't58300:28:32.480 --> 00:28:35.039



look at that. Look at like look at like Red Dead, Redemption,58400:28:35.799 --> 00:28:38.079



like look at like like Grand Theft Auto, like look58500:28:38.119 --> 00:28:40.920



at those video games like those are the ones like58600:28:40.960 --> 00:28:43.240



you go to Rockstar and you're like, could we do58700:28:43.319 --> 00:28:45.079



a TV show? Like could we do something like that?58800:28:45.119 --> 00:28:48.160



And they probably would be like no.58900:28:47.920 --> 00:28:51.440



Yeah, Until Dawn was horrendous. They did have a few59000:28:51.519 --> 00:28:55.559



clever things that I saw before I left. And you know,59100:28:55.640 --> 00:28:57.440



it takes a lot for me not to like a movie.59200:28:57.480 --> 00:28:59.640



It takes even more for me to leave. But I'm like,59300:28:59.680 --> 00:29:03.359



I live really could be washing my hair or something59400:29:03.440 --> 00:29:03.880



right now.59500:29:03.920 --> 00:29:06.119



Well, you get to a point watching a movie where like, man,59600:29:06.119 --> 00:29:08.079



I could be doing other things. I could be doing chores.59700:29:08.400 --> 00:29:12.039



Yeah, that's bad. So one of the clever things that59800:29:12.079 --> 00:29:15.920



I thought though, was they said something about, you know59900:29:15.960 --> 00:29:18.599



how like sometimes in games it'll be like raining here60000:29:18.720 --> 00:29:21.039



but not over there or whatever, Like they made a60100:29:21.079 --> 00:29:23.319



reference to that. They were like, why does it keep60200:29:23.400 --> 00:29:25.480



raining here or not over there or something like that.60300:29:25.519 --> 00:29:28.119



It was like kind of cringey, but also kind of60400:29:28.200 --> 00:29:31.359



clever and the fact that they're at least acknowledging it. Yeah,60500:29:31.400 --> 00:29:34.359



but it didn't fit the tone of the rest of60600:29:34.400 --> 00:29:36.000



the movie, which was supposed to be like a horror60700:29:36.000 --> 00:29:38.039



so it was it was not great.60800:29:38.240 --> 00:29:40.400



Yeah, I like I like my I like comedy in60900:29:40.440 --> 00:29:44.680



my horror that actually makes sense and not like, hey,61000:29:44.720 --> 00:29:47.039



we're gonna get meta, Like don't get meta.61100:29:46.720 --> 00:29:48.519



Exactly unless the game is meta.61200:29:48.640 --> 00:29:51.759



Yeah, unless the game is meta. But like, don't get meta.61300:29:52.000 --> 00:29:55.599



Just let a zombie eat you. I'd do that, Yeah,61400:29:55.799 --> 00:29:58.960



zomb is like, but if we want to start transitioning61500:29:59.000 --> 00:30:01.519



into the good stuff, like, there are a lot of61600:30:01.599 --> 00:30:04.599



horror games that make perfect.61700:30:04.079 --> 00:30:05.960



Movies, but are they movies?61800:30:06.200 --> 00:30:09.720



Silent Hill? I think Silent Hill was fantastic game and61900:30:09.759 --> 00:30:10.880



a fantastic movie.62000:30:10.960 --> 00:30:11.160



Yeah.62100:30:11.160 --> 00:30:12.359



I did a really good job with that.62200:30:12.599 --> 00:30:14.279



What about Five Nights of Freddy's.62300:30:14.799 --> 00:30:17.279



That's tough again, Like we're talking about like way like62400:30:17.400 --> 00:30:20.480



when you play Five Nights of Freddy's like waves and62500:30:20.599 --> 00:30:24.079



waves and waves. I know there's a story there. I62600:30:24.160 --> 00:30:25.079



just think it's too tough.62700:30:25.160 --> 00:30:26.720



Did you see the film?62800:30:27.079 --> 00:30:28.640



I haven't seen I played the game. I haven't seen62900:30:28.680 --> 00:30:28.960



the film.63000:30:29.000 --> 00:30:31.680



Okay, I have not played the game, but I've seen63100:30:31.759 --> 00:30:32.200



the film.63200:30:32.279 --> 00:30:33.119



Oh this is interesting.63300:30:33.240 --> 00:30:35.559



Yeah, and I really enjoyed it.63400:30:35.799 --> 00:30:36.119



Okay.63500:30:36.480 --> 00:30:42.720



It was genuinely, genuinely creepy. It reminded me. It reminded63600:30:42.759 --> 00:30:45.519



me of Chuck E. Cheese like when I was a kid.63700:30:45.839 --> 00:30:48.039



It's like every nightmare that I had as a kid63800:30:48.079 --> 00:30:50.799



with Chuck E. Cheese come to life. So it was63900:30:51.000 --> 00:30:53.720



genuinely pretty creepy, you know.64000:30:53.720 --> 00:30:54.119



What I mean.64100:30:54.240 --> 00:30:54.799



I liked it.64200:30:55.000 --> 00:30:58.519



The the atmosphere of Five Nights and Freddy's is very creepy.64300:30:59.079 --> 00:31:01.000



It gets to a point where you like, it's genuine64400:31:01.039 --> 00:31:04.319



horror like it's it's very close to like a Jason64500:31:04.880 --> 00:31:07.680



what is it like Friday the Thirteenth with Jason Vorhees64600:31:07.720 --> 00:31:13.200



and whatnot, or Michael Myers Halloween type stuff. But I64700:31:13.319 --> 00:31:14.799



just I'm playing the video game.64800:31:15.240 --> 00:31:15.440



Uh.64900:31:15.480 --> 00:31:16.599



And then when I heard it was gonna be made65000:31:16.599 --> 00:31:20.000



in a movie. I'm like, how, like, how, how are65100:31:20.000 --> 00:31:22.960



you gonna do this? Because it's just like it's five65200:31:23.079 --> 00:31:25.200



nights of you trying to survive in this you know,65300:31:25.359 --> 00:31:28.279



haunted pizza place. You know. I don't know how you65400:31:28.319 --> 00:31:29.640



turn that into a movie. I don't know how you get65500:31:29.759 --> 00:31:31.319



enough out of that to be a movie.65600:31:31.480 --> 00:31:33.519



You should check you should check it out. I'm curious.65700:31:33.599 --> 00:31:37.400



Okay, I'll definitely we'll make a we'll make a night65800:31:37.440 --> 00:31:37.640



of it.65900:31:37.759 --> 00:31:39.279



Yeah night. Oh yeah, we'll watch it together.66000:31:39.400 --> 00:31:40.559



Yes, we were holding hands.66100:31:41.839 --> 00:31:45.079



Sonic the Hedgehog, Oh God, did you like that? I66200:31:45.119 --> 00:31:46.720



didn't see it the look.66300:31:47.039 --> 00:31:49.640



I just remember watching the previews for it, which, by66400:31:49.640 --> 00:31:51.880



the way, I will say, uh a side note. I66500:31:51.880 --> 00:31:54.839



saw the previews for Together. I think that looks awesome.66600:31:55.119 --> 00:31:58.839



I can't but Sonic the Hedgehog. When I saw the66700:31:58.839 --> 00:32:01.960



previews for that, I said, oh my god, why does66800:32:01.960 --> 00:32:04.200



he like? I remember what was there? Was the drama66900:32:04.240 --> 00:32:06.880



about the first was it the first one where they67000:32:07.200 --> 00:32:09.079



botched his face so bad?67100:32:09.160 --> 00:32:12.119



And before they even released the first one they redid67200:32:12.160 --> 00:32:15.240



all the CGI for her, you know, their ephics for it.67300:32:15.240 --> 00:32:16.359



I don't know if they made their money. I mean,67400:32:16.359 --> 00:32:18.039



they obviously made enough money to make another one.67500:32:18.079 --> 00:32:20.599



They've been huge. They're on three and a spinoff.67600:32:20.640 --> 00:32:20.799



Now.67700:32:21.839 --> 00:32:25.480



I have no desire to watch any of that. I67800:32:25.480 --> 00:32:28.079



I don't know. Like that one, I think is a67900:32:28.200 --> 00:32:32.240



little there's a little more to it then, Like obviously68000:32:32.279 --> 00:32:35.400



the game I've played, there's enough of the story of68100:32:35.440 --> 00:32:38.039



the game. There's more. There's more than enough of the68200:32:38.039 --> 00:32:39.799



game you can turn into a movie. I just have68300:32:39.880 --> 00:32:44.359



no desire to see cgi Hedgehogs run fast. I'm good.68400:32:45.079 --> 00:32:48.880



So the sound like the Hedgehog franchise. So far, the68500:32:48.880 --> 00:32:55.440



film franchise has grossed over a billion dollars worldwide through68600:32:55.559 --> 00:33:01.319



the first three films and the television show Knuckles and Sonach.68700:33:01.400 --> 00:33:03.720



The Sonic the Hedgehog four is coming out in twenty68800:33:03.759 --> 00:33:04.359



twenty seven.68900:33:04.559 --> 00:33:06.559



Oh my god. Yeah, this is going to turn the69000:33:06.640 --> 00:33:09.519



like Avatar, where they're planning movies until twenty thirty eleven.69100:33:09.680 --> 00:33:14.000



I think so, But I just I don't know. It69200:33:14.160 --> 00:33:15.480



just looked too corny to me.69300:33:15.759 --> 00:33:17.960



I think that's what turns me off, is like, if69400:33:17.960 --> 00:33:23.519



it looks corny and ridiculous, I'm good. There's there's a69500:33:23.559 --> 00:33:24.559



lot to see in this world.69600:33:24.960 --> 00:33:28.119



You know, unless it's purposefully like, unless it's in on69700:33:28.200 --> 00:33:29.559



the joke, you know what I'm saying.69800:33:29.799 --> 00:33:32.200



Like, Okay, I think I think I probably have to69900:33:32.200 --> 00:33:35.319



give one of the movies a try. But to me,70000:33:35.440 --> 00:33:38.480



I just, at least from the outside looking in, I'm good.70100:33:38.559 --> 00:33:39.279



Yeah, me too.70200:33:39.799 --> 00:33:43.240



Yeah, but they were big hits, and you know, so70300:33:43.319 --> 00:33:44.039



I got hits.70400:33:44.119 --> 00:33:45.880



Yeah, Detective Pikachu.70500:33:46.319 --> 00:33:50.200



So yeah, Pokemon getting a movie. Well, Pokemon has their70600:33:50.240 --> 00:33:53.160



own movies obviously, right, Getting Detective Pikachu. I've heard that70700:33:53.160 --> 00:33:54.640



one was great. I haven't seen it, but I heard70800:33:54.640 --> 00:33:59.079



it was hilarious. Ryan Reynolds's Pikachu. Yeah, yeah, great movie,70900:33:59.119 --> 00:34:01.160



a great, great success.71000:34:01.400 --> 00:34:05.559



Yeah, half a billion dollars and was critically liked as well.71100:34:05.680 --> 00:34:08.760



Yes, are that one's one where I think they probably71200:34:08.840 --> 00:34:10.519



might make more of them.71300:34:10.400 --> 00:34:12.239



In the future. I'm sure sure they will.71400:34:12.320 --> 00:34:14.639



Yeah, I don't know if they are planning on doing71500:34:14.639 --> 00:34:17.719



that or not. What other horror games I'm trying to71600:34:17.719 --> 00:34:20.679



think of? Is it Resident Evil that had a video71700:34:20.679 --> 00:34:21.639



game became a movie.71800:34:22.079 --> 00:34:23.840



Resident Evil became like twelve.71900:34:23.559 --> 00:34:27.519



Movie, twelve movies, Yeah, and then a TV show and72000:34:27.559 --> 00:34:29.480



then now we're starting the movies over it.72100:34:29.599 --> 00:34:32.119



Yeah, like a great that's one's a huge success.72200:34:32.280 --> 00:34:39.320



Yes again that also I really liked the first bunch,72300:34:39.880 --> 00:34:41.199



but then they got progressively.72400:34:41.960 --> 00:34:44.599



Yeah, they you know what I mean, that's what if72500:34:44.639 --> 00:34:47.159



you do too many movies, you kind of oversaturated a72600:34:47.159 --> 00:34:50.000



little bit often often.72700:34:49.760 --> 00:34:52.800



Yeah, so yeah, I mean those were good. And like72800:34:52.840 --> 00:34:55.519



you said, the Silent Hill ones, those movies are freaking I.72900:34:55.559 --> 00:34:58.880



Love Silent Hill. The video game is outstanding, one of73000:34:58.920 --> 00:35:02.280



the greatest video games they've ever created. The movies are73100:35:02.320 --> 00:35:05.920



spectacular and they capture the essence. I think that's what73200:35:06.360 --> 00:35:08.119



that might to me if we were to rank, like73300:35:08.840 --> 00:35:11.400



all of the video games to become a movie or73400:35:11.440 --> 00:35:14.559



and all the like those movies, Silent Hill is probably73500:35:14.599 --> 00:35:18.960



the best because in terms of capturing the video game73600:35:19.039 --> 00:35:23.039



staying true to what the video game was. Plus, I mean, god,73700:35:23.079 --> 00:35:26.519



that movie put pyramid Head like on the map as73800:35:26.639 --> 00:35:30.599



one of the scariest characters ever. And he is, Yeah73900:35:30.960 --> 00:35:34.119



it is he is, And I don't know, I don't74000:35:34.119 --> 00:35:35.239



know his pronounce either.74100:35:36.159 --> 00:35:42.840



All right, Finally, why why do you we think they74200:35:42.880 --> 00:35:48.920



fail or work? You know? One thing to think about74300:35:49.119 --> 00:35:53.920



is the common adaptation traps, like an over reliance on74400:35:54.000 --> 00:35:56.000



fan service or easter eggs, to the point where the74500:35:56.079 --> 00:35:57.280



story doesn't make sense.74600:35:57.840 --> 00:36:01.000



That can happen. Honestly, to me, I think goes back74700:36:01.039 --> 00:36:04.559



to this if you take a video game and you like,74800:36:04.599 --> 00:36:06.360



if you go up to a video game and you say,74900:36:06.360 --> 00:36:08.119



I want to make a movie out of this video game,75000:36:08.760 --> 00:36:10.840



well you need to kind of look at the game.75100:36:11.159 --> 00:36:16.079



If the game, like, for example, like Doom, there is75200:36:16.280 --> 00:36:19.199



kind of a story to Doom, I more think of75300:36:19.239 --> 00:36:21.639



it as like a hey, you just kind of want75400:36:21.719 --> 00:36:25.559



Like the core purpose of Doom is just violence. It's75500:36:25.719 --> 00:36:30.360



just like crazy violence, crazy creatures and you're just shooting them,75600:36:30.400 --> 00:36:33.360



you're cutting them in half, You're doing crazy shit like75700:36:34.000 --> 00:36:37.440



that's the purpose of that game. That's not a movie.75800:36:37.800 --> 00:36:41.199



Like that's just an hour or two of you and75900:36:41.239 --> 00:36:44.480



the basement just enjoying blowing the head off demons. That's76000:36:44.519 --> 00:36:48.239



not really much of a movie. However, you know a76100:36:48.320 --> 00:36:51.280



game like Assassin's Creed there is a story there. You76200:36:51.320 --> 00:36:55.000



could turn that into a movie. And honestly, I think76300:36:55.079 --> 00:36:58.480



the best type of movie that's done something Assassin's Creed76400:36:58.559 --> 00:37:01.159



ish like a mystery in the background is like the76500:37:01.239 --> 00:37:05.039



Da Vinci movies. Like movies like that really is to76600:37:05.119 --> 00:37:07.760



me like that's kind of like Assassin's Creed is very76700:37:07.800 --> 00:37:11.360



like puzzles. It's very like deep codes. It's going up76800:37:11.360 --> 00:37:16.800



to like these amazing structures and finding like ancient technology76900:37:16.840 --> 00:37:19.119



in them. Like that's what makes a great movie. I77000:37:19.159 --> 00:37:22.840



think it's honestly goes down to subject matter of the game.77100:37:22.920 --> 00:37:26.119



If there's enough there, the enough meat on the bone,77200:37:26.280 --> 00:37:27.599



you can make a good movie out of it.77300:37:28.000 --> 00:37:31.280



Also, like you said, ignoring what made the game good77400:37:31.320 --> 00:37:32.920



in the first place, the essence of the game, like77500:37:32.960 --> 00:37:35.880



we were talking about, which, like you said, is it's77600:37:35.920 --> 00:37:39.159



a kind of a you have to be. You have77700:37:39.199 --> 00:37:42.960



to balance very carefully over relying on fan service to77800:37:43.000 --> 00:37:46.119



the point you don't have the actual story for the77900:37:46.159 --> 00:37:51.199



general public, but ignoring what made the game loved in78000:37:51.239 --> 00:37:53.440



the first place to the point where you turn off78100:37:53.480 --> 00:37:56.480



the fans of the game, and then trying to cram78200:37:56.599 --> 00:38:00.559



forty hours of gameplay and you know, ninety minutes to hours,78300:38:01.000 --> 00:38:04.440



which you don't if you have a good self contained story,78400:38:04.480 --> 00:38:08.079



I guess it depends on if you're literally adapting by78500:38:08.159 --> 00:38:14.119



this particular game, we're adapt adapting, adapting that movie into78600:38:14.400 --> 00:38:17.400



a film. Yeah, you're gonna be cutting out a lot78700:38:17.440 --> 00:38:17.760



of stuff.78800:38:17.760 --> 00:38:19.320



If you do it that way, the only people that78900:38:19.360 --> 00:38:21.920



want to watch fan service the movie are Star Trek79000:38:21.960 --> 00:38:23.840



and Star Wars fans. Those are the only people that79100:38:23.880 --> 00:38:24.480



want to watch that.79200:38:25.639 --> 00:38:28.599



And then what works now? I mean respecting the source79300:38:28.679 --> 00:38:33.079



material and adapting it for a new medium, bringing in79400:38:33.239 --> 00:38:36.119



fans and creators. You know, they brought in the old79500:38:36.199 --> 00:38:39.079



Truckman for the Last of Us who you know obviously79600:38:39.719 --> 00:38:42.960



behind the game. You know from people that played the game,79700:38:43.840 --> 00:38:47.199



they seem to like it, So that seems like a79800:38:47.199 --> 00:38:47.960



no brainer to me.79900:38:48.159 --> 00:38:50.800



Yeah, definitely, at least for an advisory position. It's good.80000:38:50.920 --> 00:38:54.039



It's good to have, like that's perspective. Obviously, you don't80100:38:54.079 --> 00:38:56.199



want to do way too much of that. You don't80200:38:56.199 --> 00:38:58.400



want a fan there to say that's say, like, well80300:38:58.440 --> 00:39:01.239



the zombies got to look like, No, you don't need that,80400:39:01.400 --> 00:39:05.559



Like I'll I'm willing to micro manage. Yeah, I'm willing80500:39:05.599 --> 00:39:07.480



to push a lot to the side. I think the80600:39:07.559 --> 00:39:09.679



average movie movie Garver was willing to put push a80700:39:09.679 --> 00:39:12.840



lot to the side. If the movie's good, if the80800:39:13.000 --> 00:39:16.280



if the movie at least keeps the core principles of80900:39:16.320 --> 00:39:19.679



the game in thought, if it's really nice to see81000:39:19.679 --> 00:39:22.039



like those little tiny details, those little tiny there's little81100:39:22.039 --> 00:39:24.159



sprinkling of Oh I remember that in the game. Oh81200:39:24.239 --> 00:39:26.280



I remember that in the game. You know, it's nice81300:39:26.280 --> 00:39:28.280



to have that in there. But like for the most part,81400:39:28.679 --> 00:39:32.079



I appreciate sometimes when a director gets the opportunity to81500:39:32.119 --> 00:39:35.400



take it, take a piece of subject matter and apply81600:39:35.760 --> 00:39:37.719



a little bit of their own vision to it while81700:39:37.760 --> 00:39:40.639



also staying true to the core material. That's that's honestly81800:39:40.639 --> 00:39:44.840



the great best recipe for taking something that already exists81900:39:44.880 --> 00:39:46.920



and is already successful and making it into something else82000:39:46.960 --> 00:39:48.280



that can can be successful.82100:39:48.440 --> 00:39:51.880



Okay, Benjamin, it is always a pleasure having you.82200:39:52.519 --> 00:39:53.519



It's a pleasure to be had.82300:39:56.880 --> 00:39:58.599



The name of your podcast, the.82400:39:58.559 --> 00:40:00.920



LFG podcast lega fan, gentlemen.82500:40:01.039 --> 00:40:03.400



And you can get that wherever you get your podcast.82600:40:03.519 --> 00:40:04.880



Just look on the free iHeart Radio app.82700:40:04.880 --> 00:40:06.440



Oh yeah, free iHeart Radio app.82800:40:06.800 --> 00:40:10.280



Benny, thank you for coming. It's always a pleasure having82900:40:10.280 --> 00:40:13.119



you on. And uh, we're going to take a quick83000:40:13.159 --> 00:40:16.880



break before we get in to interviews. Take sixty second83100:40:17.079 --> 00:40:25.360



break to pay the bills. See you in sixty all right.83200:40:25.920 --> 00:40:28.920



Thank you for hanging in and supporting our sponsors. They83300:40:28.960 --> 00:40:32.119



help this show come to you every single week. So83400:40:32.199 --> 00:40:35.239



I appreciate them and you. We are going to jump83500:40:35.280 --> 00:40:40.400



into right into the Twisted Metal season two interviews. I83600:40:40.440 --> 00:40:43.119



sat down with the cast and the showrunner and let83700:40:43.159 --> 00:40:46.519



me tell you, Twisted Metal season two it's like Mad Max,83800:40:46.599 --> 00:40:49.719



Meta Monster energy drink and they had a TV show.83900:40:49.960 --> 00:40:52.559



First up, we're going to talk with the brain behind84000:40:52.679 --> 00:40:57.719



the mayhem. Michael Jonathan Smith joins us. We're going to84100:40:57.800 --> 00:41:01.039



talk about expanding the Twisted Metal universe, what to expect84200:41:01.039 --> 00:41:05.079



in season two and beyond, and how somehow it's still84300:41:05.480 --> 00:41:14.239



good and hilarious. So here he is, Michael Jonathan Smith. Awesome.84400:41:14.360 --> 00:41:16.840



First of all, thank you so much for speaking with me.84500:41:16.920 --> 00:41:19.440



I really appreciate it. Glad to have you on. Thank84600:41:19.480 --> 00:41:22.280



k Thank you, Kyle. Happy to be here. Thank you. So.84700:41:22.480 --> 00:41:25.719



First of all, congrats on the success of the show.84800:41:26.239 --> 00:41:31.519



It has such a crazy tone, I would say, you know,84900:41:31.559 --> 00:41:34.920



and it kind of pulls from your post apocalyptic and85000:41:35.039 --> 00:41:39.400



horror and comedy and action and sci fi. How did85100:41:39.440 --> 00:41:42.440



you come up with this version? You know, how do85200:41:42.559 --> 00:41:45.400



you pull from all of that to bring this version85300:41:45.440 --> 00:41:46.159



onto the screen?85400:41:46.639 --> 00:41:49.000



I mean, honestly, I'm a humongous fan of the game.85500:41:49.159 --> 00:41:50.800



I love Twista Metal, I played it when I was85600:41:50.800 --> 00:41:54.400



a teenager, and I just really wanted to adapt that85700:41:55.039 --> 00:41:57.400



feeling I had playing the game. I wanted to adapt85800:41:57.440 --> 00:42:01.159



the feeling of how much fun I had playing Twisted Metal.85900:42:01.199 --> 00:42:03.880



I wanted to capture the feeling of dodging a missile86000:42:04.000 --> 00:42:07.440



and blood friends and just capture.86100:42:07.039 --> 00:42:07.800



The feeling of fun.86200:42:07.840 --> 00:42:09.679



I just want you to have fun playing the show,86300:42:10.360 --> 00:42:13.079



watching the show, and I think ultimately that's that's what86400:42:13.079 --> 00:42:14.000



I'm trying to capture.86500:42:14.400 --> 00:42:18.159



I think you've done that beautifully. Did you, especially as86600:42:18.280 --> 00:42:21.599



as a big fan of the games, did you feel86700:42:21.960 --> 00:42:25.119



a pressure to kind of live up to that legacy?86800:42:25.800 --> 00:42:25.960



Oh?86900:42:26.039 --> 00:42:26.519



Of course.87000:42:26.599 --> 00:42:28.719



I mean you want, you want the fans to have87100:42:28.800 --> 00:42:31.360



a good time, and especially with any of these any87200:42:31.400 --> 00:42:34.000



of these ips and video games, you know you have87300:42:34.039 --> 00:42:39.199



an expectation. And I think you know, ultimately, if our87400:42:39.440 --> 00:42:41.639



writer's room in the cast are not having a good time,87500:42:41.719 --> 00:42:43.599



I know the audience isn't having a good time. And87600:42:43.840 --> 00:42:45.719



we have these moments in the writer's room when we're87700:42:45.840 --> 00:42:47.960



jumping up being like, oh my god, yes, yes that87800:42:48.079 --> 00:42:51.280



feels great, and I feel like if we're not experiencing that,87900:42:51.480 --> 00:42:53.119



then the audience isn't experiencing that.88000:42:53.440 --> 00:42:57.559



Okay, And you know, there has been a long in88100:42:57.719 --> 00:43:01.239



pop culture and media, there has been a long string88200:43:01.440 --> 00:43:09.480



of not successful transitions from game to screen. What do88300:43:09.519 --> 00:43:12.599



you think that Twisted Metal has done right that some88400:43:12.679 --> 00:43:15.800



of the other these others hasn't. I mean, this has88500:43:15.840 --> 00:43:19.679



clicked with critics and fans, and that's something that I88600:43:19.719 --> 00:43:26.440



think many, you know, previous attempts at bringing a game88700:43:26.559 --> 00:43:29.519



over didn't click with either one.88800:43:29.679 --> 00:43:32.880



I mean, that's such a good question. I think for us,88900:43:33.360 --> 00:43:37.920



we're just trying to be We're trying to do only89000:43:37.960 --> 00:43:41.239



what Twist Metal can do, and and we're leaning into89100:43:41.800 --> 00:43:46.000



the craziness of what's fun. And you know, only our89200:43:46.039 --> 00:43:48.000



show can have a clown that lights his hair on89300:43:48.079 --> 00:43:50.639



fire and his best friends of paper Bag. But we're89400:43:50.679 --> 00:43:54.760



also really making sure that you love these characters, you89500:43:54.840 --> 00:43:56.280



know what I mean, Like, the heart of it is89600:43:56.440 --> 00:43:59.800



John Is, Anthony Mackie and Stephanie Beatrice's characters relationship. So89700:44:00.159 --> 00:44:02.719



at the heart of it, you're following them, You're loving89800:44:02.719 --> 00:44:05.400



what they're doing. Every character, no matter how insane they89900:44:05.440 --> 00:44:09.280



are or how unhinged they are, you love them. You90000:44:09.320 --> 00:44:11.880



love sweet tooth relationship with his paper Bag you love,90100:44:12.280 --> 00:44:15.440



you know, Mike Mitchell Stew's relationship with Sweet Tooth, Like90200:44:15.480 --> 00:44:17.719



you just really care about these characters and you root90300:44:17.760 --> 00:44:20.199



for them regardless of what they're doing. And at the90400:44:20.239 --> 00:44:22.079



heart of it, that's what kind of matters to me,90500:44:22.199 --> 00:44:24.280



is you just love all of these characters and root90600:44:24.320 --> 00:44:27.480



for them no matter the craziness that's surrounding it.90700:44:28.280 --> 00:44:33.039



Are there easter eggs that fans from season one that90800:44:33.159 --> 00:44:35.599



fans haven't discovered yet?90900:44:36.920 --> 00:44:40.119



Honestly, I think pretty much everyone caught them all. Like,91000:44:40.199 --> 00:44:46.039



I was really impressed at how excuse me, how with91100:44:46.159 --> 00:44:49.199



a fine tooth comb everyone seemed to catch them, which91200:44:49.199 --> 00:44:52.039



is really impressive. And hats off to the fans for91300:44:52.159 --> 00:44:55.079



really catching every single one. I really can't think of91400:44:55.119 --> 00:44:55.719



anyone that.91500:44:55.719 --> 00:44:59.480



They didn't catch, But that's awesome. Yeah, and it's a91600:44:59.519 --> 00:45:03.440



testament to both you and the fan base. And I91700:45:03.519 --> 00:45:06.440



thank you so much for speaking with me. I can't91800:45:06.440 --> 00:45:09.320



wait for everybody to see Twisted Metal season two exclusively91900:45:09.719 --> 00:45:15.199



on Peacock. Thanks Kyle, Thank you. Have a great day,92000:45:16.039 --> 00:45:24.119



Michael Jonathan Smith. All right, Next up Tianna Okoye, Patty Guggenheim,92100:45:24.280 --> 00:45:28.039



and Sailor Bell Curda bring the energy, the fun, and92200:45:28.079 --> 00:45:31.840



some truly epic fashion choices. Trust me, you'll want to92300:45:31.840 --> 00:45:36.599



be in their crew. Here they are Tianna Okoa, Patty Gugenheim,92400:45:36.719 --> 00:45:42.280



and Sailor Bell Curda. Thank you, ladies for joining me.92500:45:42.360 --> 00:45:47.559



I really appreciate it. Thank you us so. First of all,92600:45:47.599 --> 00:45:52.719



congratulations on the series. It's so much fun and it's92700:45:52.800 --> 00:45:56.440



kind of a crazy mix of all kinds of genres.92800:45:56.840 --> 00:45:59.000



I wonder for each one of you, is that kind92900:45:59.000 --> 00:46:02.920



of what attracted you you to you know, to the series,93000:46:03.079 --> 00:46:07.639



like this kind of crazy post apocalyptic, part comedy, park action,93100:46:07.800 --> 00:46:10.400



part horror, Like what was it for each of you?93200:46:11.840 --> 00:46:13.119



I mean definitely.93300:46:13.360 --> 00:46:15.760



I watched the first season and it was just I93400:46:15.800 --> 00:46:18.400



was like, this is a cool ass show, Like it93500:46:18.480 --> 00:46:20.159



was way cooler.93600:46:19.760 --> 00:46:21.840



Than I could have imagined.93700:46:21.920 --> 00:46:25.800



And then it does like pull so many like nostalgic93800:46:25.920 --> 00:46:30.840



things and like fun pulp culture, but then it has93900:46:30.920 --> 00:46:32.719



like this gritty nature.94000:46:32.960 --> 00:46:35.239



I was just like, this is a cool world.94100:46:35.559 --> 00:46:36.960



So I was stoked.94200:46:37.320 --> 00:46:40.599



Yeah, absolutely, I loved all the characters, and as you said,94300:46:40.639 --> 00:46:43.760



the mixture of the genres is like so fun to94400:46:43.800 --> 00:46:46.039



play with. It really feels like you're in a video game.94500:46:47.199 --> 00:46:49.320



So that first season was just so wild, but the94600:46:49.360 --> 00:46:52.800



second season is going to be even crazier, and the94700:46:52.920 --> 00:46:57.000



characters are just out of this world so literally.94800:46:57.079 --> 00:46:59.280



I feel like that's what was the most what I94900:46:59.360 --> 00:47:02.039



was the most acted to, Like all of our own95000:47:02.079 --> 00:47:06.800



individual characters. I feel like all I'm ever looking for95100:47:06.880 --> 00:47:09.440



is something really challenging and fun to take on. And95200:47:09.480 --> 00:47:11.559



I feel like each and every one of us, who95300:47:11.599 --> 00:47:14.679



we were and who we were playing, were so complex95400:47:14.760 --> 00:47:19.639



in and of themselves, and it was like the biggest,95500:47:19.760 --> 00:47:23.960



most beautiful challenge I ever had filming that season, and95600:47:24.039 --> 00:47:28.039



I've maybe never felt more proud about like a piece95700:47:28.079 --> 00:47:29.480



of work being released.95800:47:29.239 --> 00:47:33.320



Chrlie, Yeah, I love that. And Twisted Metal is you know,95900:47:33.599 --> 00:47:38.599



it is so beloved by so many people for the games.96000:47:39.320 --> 00:47:43.519



And then there's the I don't want to say added96100:47:43.559 --> 00:47:46.280



pressure as an actor, because you know, I'm not an actor,96200:47:46.400 --> 00:47:49.400



but is there an added pressure when you have, first96300:47:49.440 --> 00:47:54.639



of all, this huge franchise outside of a series, but96400:47:54.760 --> 00:48:00.440



then you have a successful, widely loved first season. Is96500:48:00.440 --> 00:48:04.960



there pressure you know, coming into both of those things?96600:48:05.599 --> 00:48:05.920



Yeah?96700:48:05.960 --> 00:48:08.199



Absolutely, I mean for me, I felt that. I feel96800:48:08.280 --> 00:48:11.079



like the fans are the heartbeat of the show. They96900:48:11.199 --> 00:48:13.880



keep it alive and they love it so much.97000:48:13.920 --> 00:48:16.119



It is that nostalgic piece, right, like.97100:48:16.039 --> 00:48:19.480



They've played the game, they love it, they love the characters,97200:48:19.480 --> 00:48:22.039



they love the cars, and so there is that added97300:48:22.039 --> 00:48:24.639



pressure absolutely that you want to do it justice. And97400:48:24.920 --> 00:48:28.519



so I mean luckily we had MJ who is also97500:48:28.679 --> 00:48:30.880



just the biggest fan of the game and loves the97600:48:30.920 --> 00:48:34.159



show so dearly. So I think we were in good97700:48:34.199 --> 00:48:38.000



hands as far as any details and really.97800:48:39.159 --> 00:48:40.880



Paying homage to the game.97900:48:41.079 --> 00:48:41.280



You know.98000:48:41.719 --> 00:48:44.719



Yeah, he was like a bible for the world absolutely,98100:48:45.639 --> 00:48:49.159



I mean quite literally. He just knows it in and out,98200:48:49.239 --> 00:48:51.760



and so we could He was so much fun to98300:48:51.880 --> 00:48:55.000



like talk to about the world because he's he just98400:48:55.039 --> 00:48:56.920



had it all like in his head, and we just98500:48:56.920 --> 00:49:00.519



were like, give us, give us more. But there is98600:49:00.559 --> 00:49:04.519



like you you really want to honor what's there, Like98700:49:04.599 --> 00:49:06.519



you want to honor the world, You want to honor98800:49:06.559 --> 00:49:09.599



the characters, and like fight for these characters.98900:49:09.960 --> 00:49:10.480



And then.99000:49:12.440 --> 00:49:15.239



Yeah, I mean that's one of the cool parts about99100:49:15.440 --> 00:49:17.480



I think being an actor and getting to jump into99200:49:17.559 --> 00:49:20.880



a project like this where you're getting to just, like99300:49:21.320 --> 00:49:24.119



Steven issues that already exist, but then like make.99400:49:24.039 --> 00:49:24.639



Them your own.99500:49:25.039 --> 00:49:30.440



You know, how about for your Sailor I was.99600:49:31.480 --> 00:49:35.440



I feel like it was so intimidating to enter a99700:49:35.519 --> 00:49:38.639



world where I knew there was just this already very99800:49:38.719 --> 00:49:42.719



large fan base for dedicated people I certainly know, like99900:49:43.719 --> 00:49:46.079



the type of person I become when I'm watching something100000:49:46.119 --> 00:49:49.039



that I feel like I know everything about. Like another100100:49:49.079 --> 00:49:51.239



Scooby Doo movie ever comes out, I'm going to be100200:49:51.360 --> 00:49:54.199



on it, and I'm going to be judging because I100300:49:54.320 --> 00:49:55.239



know Scooby Doo.100400:49:55.840 --> 00:49:57.519



But you know, I think.100500:49:57.320 --> 00:50:04.079



There's also just like something really beautiful to how I think.100600:50:04.119 --> 00:50:08.320



No matter what, it does, just feel so authentic everything100700:50:08.360 --> 00:50:11.760



that we've done with all the help of MJ and100800:50:11.840 --> 00:50:15.079



everybody on that show who like truly just knows the game,100900:50:15.800 --> 00:50:22.679



this show itself through and through, and it just felt comfortable,101000:50:23.119 --> 00:50:26.039



Like it almost never feels scary now because it just101100:50:26.199 --> 00:50:29.639



I'm surrounded by these people who make me feel so101200:50:29.760 --> 00:50:31.280



confident in what we've done.101300:50:31.920 --> 00:50:35.599



That's awesome. Thank you all so much. I can't wait101400:50:35.599 --> 00:50:39.039



for everybody to see Twisted Metal season two exclusively. Oh101500:50:39.079 --> 00:50:47.000



thank you, Thank you, Kyle, Siana Okoway, Patty Guggenheim, and101600:50:47.039 --> 00:50:51.280



Sailor Beltcurta. Thank you to them. It was a great conversation.101700:50:52.119 --> 00:50:57.000



Moving right along, Lisa Gilroy and Richard de Clerk continue101800:50:57.039 --> 00:51:00.840



on with our Twisted Metal takeover with la sindsight and101900:51:01.119 --> 00:51:03.800



maybe a couple of secrets about what's coming next in102000:51:03.880 --> 00:51:07.760



season two and beyond. Here they are, Lisa Gilroy and102100:51:07.880 --> 00:51:13.000



Richard de Claire, thank you both for joining me. I102200:51:13.039 --> 00:51:14.880



really appreciate it. Thanks for having us.102300:51:15.079 --> 00:51:17.039



Hi, Kyle, Sorry you just wopped it. I was getting102400:51:17.079 --> 00:51:18.840



all I was all flustered because I was like telling Richard.102500:51:18.840 --> 00:51:20.000



I was like, oh, we should talk about this, and102600:51:20.000 --> 00:51:21.519



he was like, you can't see.102700:51:23.920 --> 00:51:28.360



I did a job. Well. I mean that brings up102800:51:28.400 --> 00:51:30.920



a great point when you're dealing with the project like102900:51:31.000 --> 00:51:34.800



this and you you know, it's so there's so many103000:51:34.840 --> 00:51:38.679



spoilers that can be spoiled. How do you you know?103100:51:39.199 --> 00:51:42.039



I obviously am in different from you guys in the103200:51:42.079 --> 00:51:44.039



fact that I'm not on the show, but when I103300:51:44.079 --> 00:51:46.800



watch these things, I can't talk about it with anybody103400:51:46.880 --> 00:51:49.039



until it comes out. You know what I mean? You103500:51:49.079 --> 00:51:51.679



guys have to be ten times worse. Is that does103600:51:51.719 --> 00:51:53.639



that hit you? Does that register with you? Or are103700:51:53.679 --> 00:51:56.559



you like, like you just did, Lisa.103800:51:57.760 --> 00:51:59.360



The good news about me is I'm kind of like103900:51:59.400 --> 00:52:03.599



the stupidest woman alive. So I like, I forget, I104000:52:03.639 --> 00:52:06.639



forget everything that we did, mostly so I would be104100:52:06.960 --> 00:52:08.639



it would be very difficult for me to provide a104200:52:08.679 --> 00:52:09.679



spoiler to someone else.104300:52:09.960 --> 00:52:10.960



But yeah, the.104400:52:10.920 --> 00:52:12.880



Little things that I do remember some of them. I104500:52:13.000 --> 00:52:15.760



then I forget that it is a spoiler. I'm not doing.104600:52:16.519 --> 00:52:17.880



I remember everything.104700:52:17.960 --> 00:52:21.599



But also I like, for myself, I don't care about spoilers.104800:52:21.599 --> 00:52:23.719



I'm still going to watch a show. It doesn't matter104900:52:23.760 --> 00:52:25.519



to me, but I don't want to mess it up105000:52:25.559 --> 00:52:26.480



for anybody else.105100:52:26.760 --> 00:52:30.239



Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I see. It's interesting because I'm105200:52:30.239 --> 00:52:32.960



the type of person who like, when I watch a trailer,105300:52:33.280 --> 00:52:34.760



if I already know I'm going to see the movie,105400:52:34.760 --> 00:52:37.599



I won't watch the trailer. I say, yeah, I don't.105500:52:37.480 --> 00:52:38.559



Even like to read a logline.105600:52:38.559 --> 00:52:40.559



I don't want to know exactly. Like if it's a105700:52:40.559 --> 00:52:42.280



Marvel movie, I know I'm going to see it, I105800:52:42.280 --> 00:52:44.639



don't even watch the trailer. But if it's something that105900:52:44.719 --> 00:52:47.480



I don't know, I'll watch it until I decide that.106000:52:47.599 --> 00:52:49.360



I'll watch the trailer until I decide I want to106100:52:49.400 --> 00:52:52.119



see it, and then I'm done, Like because I don't106200:52:52.119 --> 00:52:54.159



want to see anymore. So I'll be in the movie theater,106300:52:54.239 --> 00:52:58.159



like you know, like so I so it doesn't get spoiled.106400:52:59.400 --> 00:53:02.119



So I can't imagine doing this in a show. But106500:53:02.159 --> 00:53:04.000



I love your take on it, Richard too. Lisa. I106600:53:04.039 --> 00:53:05.639



would be more like you. I'd be like, I don't106700:53:05.679 --> 00:53:08.840



remember what I did yesterday. There's a taco in my106800:53:08.920 --> 00:53:12.599



pocket and have no idea how it got there. But106900:53:12.719 --> 00:53:19.519



in any it's chaotic. Hell was it coming into this107000:53:19.639 --> 00:53:22.800



world that has, you know, really a legacy behind it107100:53:23.159 --> 00:53:26.320



with the franchise of the game, but then you know,107200:53:26.400 --> 00:53:28.400



you know, a beloved series as well.107300:53:29.039 --> 00:53:32.000



I mean for me, it was it was a dream107400:53:32.000 --> 00:53:34.119



come true to come in and play this character and107500:53:34.199 --> 00:53:36.079



be a part of this world. Because I feel like107600:53:36.119 --> 00:53:38.280



it's a show, like I'm a huge fan of the show,107700:53:39.159 --> 00:53:43.039



Like the first season had me cackling, it had me107800:53:43.199 --> 00:53:48.400



weeping oddly, and and it's just a deeply approachable show.107900:53:48.440 --> 00:53:51.519



There's something in it for everyone, Like people who played108000:53:51.559 --> 00:53:54.519



the games, there's there's enough tie backs to the games.108100:53:54.679 --> 00:53:56.679



People who have never played the games.108200:53:56.400 --> 00:53:57.000



There's enough.108300:53:57.119 --> 00:54:01.000



There's enough emotional truth and grounded reality and all these108400:54:01.079 --> 00:54:03.519



characters and how they interact, Like I feel like that's108500:54:03.559 --> 00:54:07.599



something that interplay between the characters that informs the action108600:54:08.480 --> 00:54:09.719



is really.108700:54:11.000 --> 00:54:11.400



Yummy.108800:54:13.039 --> 00:54:13.239



You know.108900:54:13.559 --> 00:54:15.639



I never a part of anything that has this kind109000:54:15.639 --> 00:54:18.760



of like fan following or this history. So the thing109100:54:18.760 --> 00:54:20.360



that I found most interesting about it is I kept109200:54:20.360 --> 00:54:23.400



getting tagged on things online that were like Lisa Giller's109300:54:23.400 --> 00:54:27.599



in the new season. She's probably playing like Big Milky Jumbos,109400:54:27.760 --> 00:54:31.039



Milk Maiden number one, like characters that I don't know109500:54:31.079 --> 00:54:34.199



about what they sounded a lot, and so it was109600:54:34.440 --> 00:54:36.599



I was so excited to be Vermin and like have109700:54:36.719 --> 00:54:37.400



the news draw.109800:54:38.159 --> 00:54:41.639



Yeah, yeah, that is exciting. And both of your characters,109900:54:41.639 --> 00:54:45.800



mister Grimm and Vermin are so just such rich in110000:54:45.880 --> 00:54:51.159



this crazy rich world. You know quickly, if you in110100:54:51.199 --> 00:54:55.119



real life were put into this kind of demolition, what110200:54:55.199 --> 00:54:57.480



would your car's name be?110300:54:57.719 --> 00:55:01.760



And do I think my my favorite car that I've110400:55:01.800 --> 00:55:04.280



ever had was my grandma's old buckless saber, and its110500:55:04.360 --> 00:55:06.280



name would be Couch and it would go so slow110600:55:06.360 --> 00:55:09.280



and it would die on the way my eight am110700:55:09.320 --> 00:55:10.800



class in college, and that would be it's like a110800:55:11.199 --> 00:55:11.840



move than it does.110900:55:13.760 --> 00:55:14.719



You said same, Richard.111000:55:16.119 --> 00:55:18.440



The mine would be what I learned on it was111100:55:18.480 --> 00:55:21.440



a nineteen eighty nine Ford Ranger was my grandpa's car.111200:55:21.480 --> 00:55:25.159



It smelled like his dog and the idol was really111300:55:25.679 --> 00:55:26.840



fast on it.111400:55:27.039 --> 00:55:29.320



I never adjusted the idol on it. So that's that's111500:55:29.360 --> 00:55:32.119



what my car would do, okay, and what would what111600:55:32.159 --> 00:55:32.880



would its name be?111700:55:34.639 --> 00:55:35.000



Ranger?111800:55:35.639 --> 00:55:39.800



Ranger, Ranger. Thank you both so much. I can't wait111900:55:39.800 --> 00:55:42.679



for everybody to see season two of Twisted Metal. You112000:55:42.719 --> 00:55:48.639



guys are awesome. Thanks Kyl, thank you, he said, go112100:55:48.840 --> 00:55:53.920



Roun Richard the Clerk, love them all right. Next up,112200:55:53.960 --> 00:55:59.039



I sit down with Joe Sinoa aka Samoa Joe and112300:55:59.199 --> 00:56:01.679



Mike Mitchell and if you ever wanted a wrestler and112400:56:01.719 --> 00:56:04.960



a comedian to co pilot a murder truck, this interview112500:56:05.119 --> 00:56:11.960



is for you. Let's speak to Joe Cnoa and Mike Mitchell.112600:56:12.000 --> 00:56:14.719



Thanks you both so much for joining me. I'm glad112700:56:14.719 --> 00:56:15.280



to have you on.112800:56:16.119 --> 00:56:16.760



Good to be here.112900:56:17.599 --> 00:56:20.679



So first of all, congrats on the show. It's so113000:56:20.800 --> 00:56:24.159



much fun. It's chaotic, it's crazy, it's wild, and I113100:56:24.519 --> 00:56:27.960



love it. And I got to ask Joe, how is113200:56:28.079 --> 00:56:32.880



doing Twisted Metal different than you know? You have been113300:56:33.119 --> 00:56:37.840



very big in the wrestling world. Are they two different projects?113400:56:38.000 --> 00:56:39.760



I mean, obviously they are, but you know what I'm saying.113500:56:40.280 --> 00:56:42.280



Yeah, No, it's it's two very different worlds.113600:56:42.280 --> 00:56:44.159



And it was funny because, like, you know, going back113700:56:44.159 --> 00:56:46.280



to wrestling and just talking to those guys and asking113800:56:46.320 --> 00:56:49.639



me the same question, and you know, wrestling's very one113900:56:49.679 --> 00:56:52.840



take live. You're in the moment, you got one shot114000:56:52.880 --> 00:56:55.199



to do it, and once you get it done, hey114100:56:55.199 --> 00:56:55.760



you're good to go.114200:56:55.800 --> 00:56:56.679



You go onto the next thing.114300:56:56.679 --> 00:56:59.280



If you mess it up, hey, there's no uh, there's114400:56:59.280 --> 00:57:02.079



no cut and go again. Whereas you know, in the114500:57:02.119 --> 00:57:05.760



acting world, it's a much more of an exercise and stamina.114600:57:06.199 --> 00:57:10.000



It's giving that same great performance twenty times over thirty114700:57:10.039 --> 00:57:12.440



takes over. However many times it needs to be a114800:57:12.440 --> 00:57:16.400



shot in filmed properly that you know. It's just that114900:57:16.400 --> 00:57:17.920



that's something that's very new for a lot of people115000:57:17.960 --> 00:57:19.559



that come from my world and go into the world115100:57:19.639 --> 00:57:21.760



of acting, where it's it's like they realize, oh, wow,115200:57:21.800 --> 00:57:23.000



you know, I don't have to be just ready for115300:57:23.039 --> 00:57:25.239



one shot, I have to be ready for thirty shots115400:57:25.280 --> 00:57:27.079



and for them to all be good as that one115500:57:27.079 --> 00:57:29.360



shot would be that I would do live normally on television.115600:57:29.440 --> 00:57:33.280



So yeah, it's just it's it's it's stamina versus pressure.115700:57:33.360 --> 00:57:37.000



You know, it's it's it's an interesting uh contrast.115800:57:37.320 --> 00:57:39.840



And and for you, Mike, you've you know, I mean115900:57:39.880 --> 00:57:42.440



you've done a lot as well, but you've done a116000:57:42.480 --> 00:57:47.159



lot with uh, sketch comedy, live comedy. Is that similar116100:57:47.360 --> 00:57:49.039



for you? Does that kind of ring true for you116200:57:49.079 --> 00:57:49.480



as well?116300:57:50.320 --> 00:57:50.559



Sure?116400:57:50.639 --> 00:57:52.440



Yeah, And you know it definitely helps with you know,116500:57:52.760 --> 00:57:56.159



exercising some muscles and you know, like being on stage116600:57:56.239 --> 00:57:58.480



and trying to get everything right. The first time I116700:57:58.559 --> 00:58:00.599



got to say this about Joe, he's you know, his116800:58:00.760 --> 00:58:04.199



character is masked, but Joe is nailing at every single116900:58:04.280 --> 00:58:06.719



take even with that mask on, and giving a great117000:58:06.719 --> 00:58:09.800



performance for me, which is so helpful, you know as117100:58:09.840 --> 00:58:13.000



an actor to be acting with guy, this guy who's117200:58:13.039 --> 00:58:15.559



knocking out of the park every single take, and you know,117300:58:16.239 --> 00:58:19.239



it's scary as hell in some of those scenes. There's117400:58:19.280 --> 00:58:21.440



not a lot of acting for me. When you see uh,117500:58:21.480 --> 00:58:23.480



sweet Tooth throw me up against the car or whatever,117600:58:23.559 --> 00:58:26.159



because it's real, it feels real, and I get the117700:58:26.199 --> 00:58:28.920



real power of Joe and Sweet Tooth at the same time,117800:58:28.960 --> 00:58:29.800



it's terrifying.117900:58:31.159 --> 00:58:32.440



All right, I'll send you one hundred Do.118000:58:38.159 --> 00:58:40.400



You mean this? This?118100:58:40.400 --> 00:58:42.159



This show also you know, there's there's a ton of118200:58:42.159 --> 00:58:45.280



comedy elements and and uh so that that, you know,118300:58:45.480 --> 00:58:48.159



my my background of comedy is super helpful. We're we're118400:58:48.480 --> 00:58:50.320



and I have a blast. Every scene I have with118500:58:50.320 --> 00:58:52.079



with Joe is always such a blast.118600:58:52.079 --> 00:58:55.400



It's a highlight for me. Do you feel you know,118700:58:55.480 --> 00:58:57.960



this does have a big legacy behind it with the118800:58:58.519 --> 00:59:04.320



game franchise and now a successful you know series. Do118900:59:04.360 --> 00:59:08.719



you feel any of that pressure coming into that for119000:59:08.960 --> 00:59:10.440



something that's so beloved?119100:59:11.440 --> 00:59:11.639



Oh?119200:59:11.679 --> 00:59:14.280



I do, because like you know, all my friends they game,119300:59:14.360 --> 00:59:15.679



you know, they know this game. I mean they were119400:59:15.679 --> 00:59:17.280



the guys that were all my couch playing it with me,119500:59:17.360 --> 00:59:19.199



so you know, like they were waiting for me to119600:59:19.239 --> 00:59:21.119



mess it up. You know, I'm like, oh you blow this,119700:59:21.960 --> 00:59:23.000



you blow this one dog?119800:59:23.159 --> 00:59:25.280



Oh you know. So it's like yeah, yeah, you know119900:59:25.360 --> 00:59:26.199



you feel the pressure.120000:59:26.760 --> 00:59:26.960



You know.120100:59:27.039 --> 00:59:29.039



It's cool though you know they ain't saying much now,120200:59:29.159 --> 00:59:34.039



so no, yeah, I mean yeah, And honestly, like just120300:59:34.039 --> 00:59:36.719



for me personally, man, like you know, Twisted Metals a120400:59:36.760 --> 00:59:38.280



series that I enjoyed playing growing up.120500:59:38.599 --> 00:59:39.159



I dug it.120600:59:39.639 --> 00:59:41.639



You know, the characters are all iconic to me, Like,120700:59:41.679 --> 00:59:43.239



you know, all my friends and all the people that120800:59:43.280 --> 00:59:45.440



I knew growing up. You know, anytime when I mentioned120900:59:45.480 --> 00:59:47.679



the show, you know, five or six characters roll off121000:59:47.719 --> 00:59:48.920



their tongue. Oh it's so and so in it, and121100:59:49.000 --> 00:59:51.639



so and so in it, and yeah, man, I just121200:59:51.719 --> 00:59:53.960



I wanted to make sure that, you know, those people121300:59:54.000 --> 00:59:56.679



that have those memories, credence was paid to them. I121400:59:56.679 --> 00:59:59.039



think MJ does an amazing job as well. There's our121500:59:59.199 --> 01:00:02.039



entire writing staff paying that credence to to that time121601:00:02.079 --> 01:00:04.440



period and the game and the and the legacy that121701:00:04.480 --> 01:00:06.599



it had, and and the feeling and the vibe that121801:00:06.599 --> 01:00:10.039



it has. So yeah, man, I just uh, yeah, it's pressure,121901:00:10.039 --> 01:00:11.559



but uh, I think we're bearing it.122001:00:11.599 --> 01:00:11.840



Well.122101:00:12.639 --> 01:00:14.320



That's that's the one that gets me in trouble. That's122201:00:14.360 --> 01:00:16.039



the quote that it gets played. I think we're bearing it.122301:00:16.079 --> 01:00:16.239



Well.122401:00:18.840 --> 01:00:19.679



I gotta say this too.122501:00:19.719 --> 01:00:21.880



Joe has the pressure of playing you know, Joe has122601:00:21.880 --> 01:00:25.119



the pressure of playing this. You know, a Mickey Mouse122701:00:25.239 --> 01:00:28.199



type character. You know, there's there's people love Sweet Tooth122801:00:28.280 --> 01:00:30.400



and fans of the game and just video games in general.122901:00:30.440 --> 01:00:32.519



In the video game world, this is like one of123001:00:32.559 --> 01:00:35.960



the huge characters. Stu is, you know, Mike and Stu Are,123101:00:36.400 --> 01:00:39.760



They're beloved and people loved Hammerhead, you know. But but123201:00:40.000 --> 01:00:42.119



Sweet tooth Is is a big deal and Joe knocks123301:00:42.119 --> 01:00:44.679



it out of the park of course. But like Joe said,123401:00:44.760 --> 01:00:45.719



Michael Johnny.123501:00:45.559 --> 01:00:48.360



I've had enough, dude, Okay, listen, Mike saves orphans on123601:00:48.400 --> 01:00:49.840



the weekends. I don't know if you know that. He123701:00:50.159 --> 01:00:52.960



scoops them up off the streets and finds them homes123801:00:53.159 --> 01:00:54.000



safe ones at that.123901:00:54.079 --> 01:00:56.400



It's really really so. I hope you all know that.124001:00:56.760 --> 01:00:57.079



I got.124101:00:59.119 --> 01:01:01.119



And I think goes the Red Cross.124201:01:01.119 --> 01:01:02.960



Also, he's that type of guy, so just don't let124301:01:02.960 --> 01:01:04.519



them tell you different no matter what he says.124401:01:06.039 --> 01:01:09.000



I heard he saves nuns too, so yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.124501:01:09.000 --> 01:01:11.079



If you're a nun in a bus and something's about124601:01:11.079 --> 01:01:14.920



to hit you, list Michael, be there, don't worry.124701:01:15.480 --> 01:01:17.880



Thank you both so much for speaking with me. I124801:01:17.920 --> 01:01:20.239



really appreciate it. I can't wait for everybody to see124901:01:20.360 --> 01:01:23.440



Twisted Metal Season two exclusively on Peacock.125001:01:23.559 --> 01:01:25.840



Thank you, guys, Thank you, thank you.125101:01:25.920 --> 01:01:32.440



Have a great day, Samoa, Joe and Mike Mitchell. They125201:01:32.519 --> 01:01:36.360



are great and I love their characters in Twisted Metal,125301:01:36.480 --> 01:01:39.239



like just they're awesome. All Right, we're gonna take a125401:01:39.320 --> 01:01:42.960



quick break. When we come back, we're gonna talk with125501:01:43.320 --> 01:01:48.480



Anthony Mackie and Stephanie Beatriz, and then later Dave Franco125601:01:48.679 --> 01:01:52.519



and Alison Bree join us to discuss together be back125701:01:52.599 --> 01:02:02.000



in sixty all right, Thank you so much for supporting125801:02:02.119 --> 01:02:05.199



our sponsors, who bring our show, who helped bring our125901:02:05.239 --> 01:02:09.000



show to you every single week. All right. Next up,126001:02:09.079 --> 01:02:13.679



our last set of interviews for season two of Twisted Metal.126101:02:14.440 --> 01:02:20.000



Stephanie Beatriz and Anthony Mackie give me some chaotic minutes126201:02:20.000 --> 01:02:24.159



of behind the scenes, some fun and rtal action, and126301:02:24.280 --> 01:02:28.320



i'd say some very questionable driving advice. Here they are,126401:02:28.559 --> 01:02:35.320



Stephanie Beatriz and Anthony Mackie, Thank you both so much126501:02:35.320 --> 01:02:37.480



for speaking with me. Welcome to the show. I really126601:02:37.480 --> 01:02:43.880



appreciate it. So first of all, congratulations. It's Twisted Metal126701:02:43.960 --> 01:02:47.920



is like this crazy amalgam of this post apocalyptic world.126801:02:47.960 --> 01:02:51.719



It's like part horror, part sci fi, part action, part comedy.126901:02:52.639 --> 01:02:54.760



Is that what drew you both to.127001:02:56.280 --> 01:02:56.360



This?127101:02:56.840 --> 01:02:57.039



You know?127201:02:57.119 --> 01:02:58.760



I mean, it's it's so many things.127301:02:59.599 --> 01:02:59.639



Me.127401:03:00.039 --> 01:03:02.320



Yes, I don't know about you. Media.127501:03:03.400 --> 01:03:06.440



Sometimes yes, I love the idea of cutting somebody's head127601:03:06.480 --> 01:03:10.119



off and laughing about it at the same time. There's127701:03:10.119 --> 01:03:15.480



something really cool about funny gore that works really well127801:03:15.639 --> 01:03:18.480



with the common person and being able to relate to it.127901:03:19.840 --> 01:03:21.920



And I'm sorry, no, please.128001:03:21.960 --> 01:03:25.440



I just really like silly, stupid comedy, you know, And128101:03:25.480 --> 01:03:28.400



I wanted so badly to do more action. And I128201:03:28.400 --> 01:03:31.480



think once I read those scripts the first season, I128301:03:31.519 --> 01:03:35.199



was like, Oh, this is so smart and silly and wild,128401:03:35.239 --> 01:03:38.000



and I've never seen anything like it is totally unhinged,128501:03:38.000 --> 01:03:41.199



and I think the second season is even more unhinged128601:03:41.239 --> 01:03:44.119



than the first. So I'm very very thrilled that we128701:03:44.199 --> 01:03:44.800



got to do it.128801:03:45.599 --> 01:03:49.320



Did you feel, you know, this is a beloved franchise128901:03:49.400 --> 01:03:52.920



and there is a long history I think in entertainment129001:03:53.039 --> 01:03:58.039



where not every I think we're most game franchises that129101:03:58.360 --> 01:04:04.679



tried to translate over to screen weren't successful. This one129201:04:05.159 --> 01:04:10.159



was obviously. Did you feel going into season one and129301:04:10.239 --> 01:04:13.800



now you know that season one was so beloved and129401:04:15.159 --> 01:04:18.199



you know, critically a success and success with the fans,129501:04:18.840 --> 01:04:23.039



to even do it bigger for season two? I think129601:04:23.079 --> 01:04:23.400



with the.129701:04:23.360 --> 01:04:27.719



Tournament alone, that just kind of sets up it being129801:04:27.760 --> 01:04:30.440



a bigger and more ridiculous season. I think if you129901:04:30.480 --> 01:04:33.119



look at the list of actors, you know, with getting130001:04:33.320 --> 01:04:37.239



you know, Anthony Kerrigan and the other actors that were130101:04:37.280 --> 01:04:42.320



able to join the cast this season. Is it's really130201:04:42.440 --> 01:04:46.320



just a melee of destruction and character. And that's what's130301:04:46.360 --> 01:04:48.719



so fun. You get these new characters, and you get130401:04:48.719 --> 01:04:52.639



these characters backstories. So now everyone has a favorite character,130501:04:52.880 --> 01:04:56.320



you know, and everybody has somebody to cheer for going130601:04:56.320 --> 01:04:59.280



through the tournament. So episode by episode you get to130701:04:59.280 --> 01:05:03.280



see how you're character, you know, works through this you130801:05:03.320 --> 01:05:06.280



know gauntlet that Calypso has put together.130901:05:07.480 --> 01:05:09.159



I've got to ask both of you, and this might131001:05:09.159 --> 01:05:12.440



be weird, but did you if you were in your131101:05:12.480 --> 01:05:17.599



own kind of demolition, what car would you have? And131201:05:17.599 --> 01:05:18.239



what would it do?131301:05:19.599 --> 01:05:20.000



Oh?131401:05:20.280 --> 01:05:23.119



I would go with a I mean it would have131501:05:23.159 --> 01:05:26.719



to be new like Mint to Mint nineteen eighty three131601:05:27.159 --> 01:05:33.480



Bronco because it's tough, big, a bit of a gas guzzler,131701:05:33.519 --> 01:05:35.679



so the whole back of it, the Bronco's got to131801:05:35.679 --> 01:05:38.000



be filled with extra gas, which might be liability if131901:05:38.000 --> 01:05:42.880



I get smashed into. However, in this world we're pretending132001:05:42.920 --> 01:05:47.920



this is playper can maybe at my bulletproof windows and132101:05:47.920 --> 01:05:50.199



and what do you call it?132201:05:50.239 --> 01:05:55.079



Like reinforce? Okay, reinforce reinforcement. Okay in the tail, extra132301:05:55.119 --> 01:05:56.599



extra weight on the chassis.132401:05:56.719 --> 01:05:59.480



It's a little it's gonna be heavy. But man, she's132501:05:59.559 --> 01:06:01.280



gonna she's gonna last.132601:06:00.760 --> 01:06:03.000



She's true, She's gonna make you well.132701:06:03.119 --> 01:06:08.280



In true uh and in true tournament fashion, I would132801:06:08.280 --> 01:06:12.400



have a nineteen eighty six Delta eighty eight four door132901:06:12.679 --> 01:06:16.119



because I want to be in there with my belor seats.133001:06:16.480 --> 01:06:19.239



You know, American cars we never figured out how to133101:06:19.280 --> 01:06:21.559



keep the vloor on the ceiling, so it would always133201:06:21.559 --> 01:06:24.599



fall down droop. So yeah, so I would take thumb133301:06:24.639 --> 01:06:26.920



tacks and put it up there, right, So each thumb133401:06:26.920 --> 01:06:29.639



tack would be a different missile or something. Right, But133501:06:29.800 --> 01:06:32.320



I gotta be in there, ice out, you know, with133601:06:32.360 --> 01:06:35.559



the with the dice in the window, got the knock,133701:06:35.960 --> 01:06:38.559



you know, the longlong right player.133801:06:39.000 --> 01:06:40.960



But if that reminds me of when we would be133901:06:41.000 --> 01:06:44.039



on set, they'd be like Anthony, sit up, can sit134001:06:44.199 --> 01:06:44.719



up a little bit?134101:06:44.880 --> 01:06:46.599



Like nah, were in the tournament.134201:06:46.920 --> 01:06:50.800



But you know, but that Delta eighty eight man or134301:06:51.159 --> 01:06:54.239



eighty six Cadillac El Dorado, you get a deuce in134401:06:54.320 --> 01:06:57.000



a quarter, you get one of those mother ships. Yo,134501:06:57.280 --> 01:07:00.559



there's there's nobody can beat you. Nobody can beat you.134601:07:01.159 --> 01:07:04.119



I love that, I love the show. I love season134701:07:04.159 --> 01:07:06.159



two and I can't wait to freaking talk about it134801:07:06.199 --> 01:07:08.119



because I can't yet, so as soon as it comes out,134901:07:08.280 --> 01:07:10.840



I can't wait. Thank you both so much. I really135001:07:10.880 --> 01:07:11.519



appreciate it.135101:07:11.840 --> 01:07:12.400



Thanks so lot.135201:07:12.480 --> 01:07:18.239



I appreciate it. Stephanie beadser Is and Anthony McKey.135301:07:19.719 --> 01:07:20.960



Love, love, love.135401:07:21.079 --> 01:07:24.840



Those guys love Twisted Metal season two. I think you135501:07:24.920 --> 01:07:27.840



will too, so make sure you hit me up and135601:07:28.079 --> 01:07:30.719



let's talk about it. I'm at real Kyle McMahon pretty135701:07:30.760 --> 01:07:34.039



much all the platforms, so hit me up and you know,135801:07:34.199 --> 01:07:37.320



let's discuss Twisted Metal or anything else you want to discuss.135901:07:37.599 --> 01:07:42.599



All right, So that was our Twisted Metal Season two takeover.136001:07:43.119 --> 01:07:47.360



We've talked games, We've talked flaming cars. Now it's time136101:07:47.400 --> 01:07:50.800



to talk about a real life couple making fake life136201:07:51.039 --> 01:07:54.599



horror magic. Dave Franco and Alison Brie are here to136301:07:54.639 --> 01:07:58.119



talk about their new horror movie. That's creepy, clever, and136401:07:58.280 --> 01:08:02.239



it makes me scared of both love, commitment and lake houses.136501:08:02.559 --> 01:08:09.079



Let's get into it. Dave Franco and Alison Brie, thank136601:08:09.119 --> 01:08:11.159



you both so much for speaking with me. I love136701:08:11.280 --> 01:08:17.119



together it's a great film, Kyle, So I gotta ask136801:08:17.319 --> 01:08:21.760



you have both joked about being kind of codependent in136901:08:21.800 --> 01:08:25.680



the past. Did that get a little too real during137001:08:25.800 --> 01:08:27.119



filming of Together?137101:08:27.800 --> 01:08:31.199



You know, I didn't really think about it much while137201:08:31.239 --> 01:08:34.359



we were shooting the movie. I think that we were137301:08:34.359 --> 01:08:37.079



really happy to be working together. We work really well together.137401:08:37.439 --> 01:08:39.880



It was right after we finished shooting the movie and137501:08:40.000 --> 01:08:42.640



had some time a part that I suddenly realized we137601:08:42.720 --> 01:08:45.760



had become more codependent over the course of.137701:08:45.720 --> 01:08:47.520



The shoot we did. We did kind of go into137801:08:47.560 --> 01:08:51.159



this whole experience knowing that it would end in either137901:08:51.239 --> 01:08:54.640



divorce or being more codependent, and luckily it's the latter.138001:08:55.079 --> 01:08:57.319



I think it's the better of the two.138101:08:57.560 --> 01:08:58.439



Ejectively better.138201:08:58.640 --> 01:09:01.079



But we're you know, the movie's not so codependency is138301:09:01.079 --> 01:09:03.520



good or bad. It's you know, take what you want138401:09:03.560 --> 01:09:05.800



from it. There's healthy versions of it.138501:09:07.079 --> 01:09:09.479



Michael Shanks, I'm trying to be a spoiler for as possible.138601:09:09.520 --> 01:09:12.079



Michael Shanks was telling me that there you guys worked138701:09:12.199 --> 01:09:16.279



so well together that there was one sequence where you138801:09:16.359 --> 01:09:19.239



were in a position that you wouldn't have been able138901:09:19.239 --> 01:09:22.720



to go to the facilities by yourself, and you guys139001:09:22.720 --> 01:09:27.359



were both troopers, which I find that like insane. There's139101:09:27.439 --> 01:09:29.359



nobody that I love that much that I could do139201:09:29.399 --> 01:09:29.600



that for.139301:09:29.760 --> 01:09:32.680



Oh wow. Yeah, there was a day on set where139401:09:32.720 --> 01:09:36.560



we were literally attached to each other with a prosthetic139501:09:37.079 --> 01:09:40.119



for about ten hours, and you know, we were both139601:09:40.239 --> 01:09:43.479



trying to be conscious about not drinking too much water,139701:09:43.520 --> 01:09:45.039



so we weren't taking those frequent trips.139801:09:45.520 --> 01:09:49.159



I peeped seven times before we started doing the prosthetic,139901:09:49.239 --> 01:09:50.880



just to try to get it all out.140001:09:50.920 --> 01:09:54.800



But Alas, yeah, you know, Alas, one of us would140101:09:54.840 --> 01:09:56.239



have to go and we would drag the other one140201:09:56.279 --> 01:09:58.720



with us. And I remember a moment standing over Allison140301:09:58.760 --> 01:10:02.399



while she was peeing, and you know, thinking we could140401:10:02.399 --> 01:10:04.039



not have made this movie with anyone else.140501:10:04.239 --> 01:10:09.720



Yeah, Dave, you've said that Alison has seen you, you know,140601:10:09.800 --> 01:10:13.960



at your best and at your worst. How does you140701:10:14.000 --> 01:10:19.000



know kind of literally and figurative figure literally now and figuratively,140801:10:19.960 --> 01:10:23.439



how did that deep trust between you two? You know,140901:10:23.479 --> 01:10:26.439



I feel like this there's some creative risks here, I141001:10:26.479 --> 01:10:29.199



really do. You know. I love the film, and but141101:10:29.279 --> 01:10:31.399



it's not you know, it's not black and white. It's141201:10:31.520 --> 01:10:34.960



very much a thinking person's kind of film. I believe.141301:10:36.319 --> 01:10:41.760



So how did that lend itself to that risk, that141401:10:41.840 --> 01:10:42.439



creative risk.141501:10:43.000 --> 01:10:45.479



Yeah, I mean obviously I feel more comfortable with her141601:10:45.720 --> 01:10:48.920



than anyone in the world. And when you feel that141701:10:48.960 --> 01:10:52.720



way on set, you just you also feel liberated to141801:10:52.880 --> 01:10:55.920



just take those risks and to really put yourself out there.141901:10:56.319 --> 01:10:58.119



And that was very important with this one because this142001:10:58.199 --> 01:11:02.800



movie is extremely into it. We're doing very vulnerable things142101:11:02.800 --> 01:11:07.960



throughout the entire film. Throughout the entire film, and uh,142201:11:08.239 --> 01:11:08.920



I don't.142301:11:08.640 --> 01:11:13.399



Know, I just oh yeah, I mean not just emotionally142401:11:13.479 --> 01:11:16.760



vulnerable or like physically vulnerable. We talk about nudity and142501:11:16.800 --> 01:11:19.399



being attached and things like that, but also just point142601:11:19.399 --> 01:11:22.800



blank like we could just look stupid if it didn't142701:11:22.840 --> 01:11:25.359



all cut together well, you know, like really putting ourselves142801:11:25.399 --> 01:11:29.119



out on a limb, taking big swings in these performances.142901:11:29.159 --> 01:11:30.880



And why we were excited about the project in the143001:11:30.920 --> 01:11:34.439



first place is because it's trying so many things that143101:11:34.479 --> 01:11:37.680



you've never seen before, and part of that is blending143201:11:37.720 --> 01:11:40.760



these different tones like, yes, this movie is a horror film,143301:11:40.760 --> 01:11:44.119



but it's also very romantic and it's funny and it's sweet.143401:11:44.800 --> 01:11:47.560



And we give our writer, director Michael Shake so much143501:11:47.600 --> 01:11:50.439



credit for blending all those tones in a really seamless way.143601:11:50.520 --> 01:11:53.159



But having each other on set and having that given143701:11:53.199 --> 01:11:56.000



trust definitely made it so much easier for us to143801:11:56.199 --> 01:11:59.479



just rip the band aid dive right into every scene.143901:12:00.279 --> 01:12:04.000



I love that. And finally, what is a red flag144001:12:04.199 --> 01:12:07.039



and that you know you would give somebody in a relationship.144101:12:08.279 --> 01:12:11.000



The first thing that comes to mind is if you're144201:12:11.039 --> 01:12:15.399



not laughing with your partner. Yeah, that's not great because144301:12:15.439 --> 01:12:17.640



this is the person you're gonna spend most of your144401:12:17.680 --> 01:12:18.159



time with.144501:12:18.279 --> 01:12:19.840



You gotta have fun with them.144601:12:19.920 --> 01:12:24.359



Yeah, definitely, I would say not cuddling.144701:12:24.600 --> 01:12:28.960



Interesting them, not cuddling them, not wanting to cuddle.144801:12:29.119 --> 01:12:30.840



Yeah, I think it's a red flag.144901:12:31.920 --> 01:12:34.560



We're cuddlers, we are, just to just to put that145001:12:34.600 --> 01:12:38.880



out there. I didn't say you were not, you were145101:12:39.720 --> 01:12:40.399



back and forth.145201:12:42.520 --> 01:12:47.039



Yeah, thank you both so much. Your joy to talk to,145301:12:47.119 --> 01:12:48.960



your joy in the film. I can't wait for everybody145401:12:49.000 --> 01:12:55.159



to see Together. Thank you, Thank you guys, Dave Franko145501:12:55.239 --> 01:12:59.399



and Allison b. Together is out right now. I highly145601:12:59.439 --> 01:13:01.960



suggest you watch it if you're a horror fan. It145701:13:02.039 --> 01:13:05.880



is really good. You will love it and there will145801:13:05.920 --> 01:13:08.319



be so much to talk about after you see it.145901:13:08.840 --> 01:13:11.000



So I want to know what you think of it146001:13:11.039 --> 01:13:13.520



after you see it. All right, and that's a wrap146101:13:13.520 --> 01:13:16.359



on pop Culture Weekly. Huge thanks to my friend Benny146201:13:16.399 --> 01:13:20.359



Panela for nerding out with me, the incredible Twisted Metal cast,146301:13:20.520 --> 01:13:24.720



and the terrifyingly talented duo Dave Franco and Alison Brie.146401:13:24.960 --> 01:13:28.239



If you dug the episode, don't forget to subscribe if146501:13:28.239 --> 01:13:30.640



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