Bryce Hall talks going Horror, Ben Barnes talks Stephen King Series & Embeth Davidtz Directs

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In this episode of pop Culture Weekly, I talk with

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m Beth David's all about her brand new film Don't

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Let's Go to the Dogs. Tonight, I speak with Ben

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Barnes and Joe Freeman about their new Stephen King Limited series,

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The Institute. And then it's all about the new horror

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movie Skillhouse as I talk with director Josh Stolberg, and

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then the controversial The lovem or Hate Him? I happen

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to like him, Bryce Hall. Let's go.

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Welcome to pop Culture Weekly with Kyle McMahon from iHeartRadio

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your pop culture news, views, reviews and celebrity interviews on

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all the movies, TV music, and pomp culture U Crab Weekly.

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Here's Kyle McMahon.

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NTT non No Net, Hello, and welcome to pop Culture

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Weekly with Kyle McMahon. I of course am Kyle McMahon,

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and this is the show that's basically like your group Chat,

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if your group Chat had much better lighting, way better guess,

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and zero patients for basic stuff. This episode is so

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stacked I had to cancel plans with my dog Blue

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just to record it. That's how stacked it is. I'm

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joined by the One and Only and Beth David's to

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talk about her powerful new film Don't Let's Go to

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the Dogs Tonight, a story that's emotional, raw, and one

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hundred percent oscar bait in the best way. I also

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speak with Ben Barnes and Joe Freeman, who star in

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the chilling new limited series The Institute, and yes it's

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based on that Stephen King novel from twenty nineteen, and

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yes it's creepy, and yes, Ben Barnes drawline still somehow

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defines science. Then we go into full horror influencer spiral

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with Bryce Hall, who's out here proving that he's more

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than just a TikTok brawler, and Joss Stolberg, the twisted

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mind behind Saw and now Skillhouse, a movie that asks

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what if influencer culture was actually deadly and spoiler alerted

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already kind of is. So let's get right into it.

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Let's buckle up, grab your ring light, and hop in.

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This is Pop Culture Weekly, all right. My first guest

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is a powerhouse of an actress whose performances have been haunting, graceful,

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and a wordworthy for decades, whether she's surviving Shindler's List,

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shaking up madmen, or calling the shots in the morning show.

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Now m Beth David's stars and directs Don't Let's Go

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to the Dogs Tonight, a moving new film based on

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Alexandra Fuller's best selling memoir about growing up during Civil

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War in nineteen seventies Rhodesia. Don't Let's Go to the

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Dogs Tonight is raw, is beautifully shot, It gives one

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of her most powerful roles to date. End she directed

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and co wrote it. Get ready for a deep dive

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into memory and identity and one family's attempt to hold

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it all together through really just absolute chaos. Please welcome

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to Pop Culture Weekly. The incredible and Beth Davis. Thank

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you so much, MS for speaking with me. I really

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appreciate it.

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Thank you for having me.

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Of course, So first of all, congratulations in the film.

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It's absolutely incredible. I want to start out by saying that,

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of course, you've had an incredible career. You have an

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incredible career that, at least to me, seems like you've

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had very thoughtful choices in the roles you've played or chosen.

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And I feel like that's not always the case for everybody.

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Some people need to take a job for money, or

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they have a period where, you know, they got to

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do what they have to do. All of yours, at

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least from the outside, have seen very carefully and thoughtfully chosen.

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Is that accurate, Yes, it's accurate. And I think I've

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also done that to a fault at times. You know,

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my agents would go, let's not even talk about the

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things she said no to. So I think in my

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career I said no, probably much too much. In the beginning.

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I think I was too thoughtful. I was too careful.

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But particularly as I've been you know, as I've been older,

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as an older actor, I think the choices were very

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much made around material, around directors, and around where in

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the world that would take me in for how long

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when my children were little. Now i'm free of that

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because they're out of the house, and that enabled me

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to be able to make the film.

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Hm. I love that. And speaking of don't let the

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don't Let's go to the dog, Don't Let's go to

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the dogs tonight it is your directorial debut. What was

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it about this story that made you say that's the

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one I want to tell.

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So it was the memoir. It was what Alexandra Fuller

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wrote in memoir. And I've spoken to many people who

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have lived in Zimbabwe, Southern Africa, Kenya, anyone who's lived

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in Africa, and not just because I think it was

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the New York Times bestseller people all over the world.

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The way that she.

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saw characters that were so multi dimensional, fully fleshed out, original, eccentric,

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you know, wildly crazy stories. But she wrote it so

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her writing is so gripping and so beautiful. But the

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characters were really the thing that called to me, and

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I thought, gosh, this setting so so similar, so reflects

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a lot of what I experienced in South Africa. I

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really think I know how to tell the story's.

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I can see that come through, you know watching the film,

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that passion behind it and the connection. So you know,

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it's beautifully done in my opinion. And of course, and

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there are so many complex themes, you know, colonialism and

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loss and coming of age in a kind of around chaos.

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What how do you as the director, how do you

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translate those themes that are so wonderfully you know and

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authentically stated in the book, How do you translate that

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to the screen?

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Listen? It was very hard, many many drafts, many many

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layers literally and a lot of that again came from

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the author. Because the author had the book as a template.

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The characters, they were there, they were fully fleshed out.

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I knew what the characters were. Then I had to

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figure out what's the narrative. Because the book spans twenty

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something years, I needed to tell it in a much

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shorter space of time. And during the time that I

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was writing, so much was given to me by Alexandra

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Fuller in terms of this is what you need to

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understand about Zimbabwe, This is what you need to understand about,

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what her family went through, This is what you need

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to understand about I could observe her and see her

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at this moment in her life. What are the things

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that later come up? So loss and the fracturing of family,

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and mental illness and alcoholism and a child who how

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does a child survive this? How did what happened with race?

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What happened with you know, colonialism? What was left? What

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was done to the indigenous people by the colonialism? So

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every one of those threads got woven in and I

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was very slow with writing it. But the time that

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I took to educate myself and the time that Alexandra

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gave me to educate me. Really helped me flesh that out,

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and that's how I could actually address it in the filming,

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because I think it was Guillermo del Toro that said

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a film is made up of twenty thousand accidents or something.

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Literally every day was an accident. What can I get

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the child to do? Can she focus? Can she concentrate?

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You know, what are the mistakes she made? She's got hiccups,

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she's yawning. Oh, I can take the yawn where the

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camera was rolling and when she finished yawning, her eyes

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were watering. I'm going to take grab that little piece

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and put that into an emotional sequence that I need.

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So the script was solid, the story was solid. I

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knew that I wanted the mythology as well of the

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Shawna people. I wanted that to sort of be the

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heavens under which the whole thing rested. So it was

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the six years of writing that I think got me

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ready to make the film.

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And how do you walk that line between honoring Alexandra's

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voice and your own as a filmmaker, Like, how do

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you find that balance?

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It's sort of a precarious razor's edge that I walked

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because imagine you know, on many levels, I feel like

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I'm I've appropriated her story and merged it with my

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own and a lot of discussion, you know, a lot

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of and there were ways, you know, things in the

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ultimate end of the film, one or two scenes that

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she said, you didn't need to have that there, but

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I felt I needed it there. So there's a certain

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point at which you have to separate from the book.

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But I think doing the due diligence of really listening

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to her, really reading all of her books, everything I

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could lay my hands on that she ever wrote, every

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interview that she ever gave to understand the person behind

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the writing, gave me really deep roots into her world.

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And then you have to pivot. And so there's the

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extra ten percent where you then go, now, this is

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the story that I'm going to tell and with it

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bringing my own experience to it. Yeah, and even what

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I wanted to show, what is it that I wanted

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to show? You know, where could I shoot it? I

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couldn't shoot it in Zimbabwe because it doesn't have the infrastructure,

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they don't have the cruise and financial I wouldn't get

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the tax break that I got in South Africa. So

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again I'm sure she would have preferred that I had

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it shot really in the exact place that it all

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took place. But you have to have you have to

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take license with certain things.

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And do you feel you know you've done in your career,

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you know, acting, you've done completely fictional things, You've done

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things based in history and real life. Miss Honey. I

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love Miss Honey. By the way, Thank you. Do you

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feel a sense, especially when you're working with Alexander, do

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you feel a sense of responsibility in telling a story

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that is true or are you able to.

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Actually no, hugely because think about the elements of the story.

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There's a massive family tragedy. There's a huge sort of

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scar of racism and white supremacy, and it's a real thing.

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So if I, if I, you know, tripped carelessly over

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those things, I'm not honoring the story. There's mental illness,

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there's alcoholism, there's damage done within a family. So I

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think I just, yeah, it's a massive responsibility, much like

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portraying what we needed to in Shindler's List was you know,

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you're not You can't take that stuff on lightly. You

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can get criticized too for taking it on at all.

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That was a precarious thing for me. A lot of

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people said, well, who wants to hear the white point

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of view or white woman telling a story? And I thought,

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for myself, I know that I had a the end

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of the film, for instance, that was me, and I

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broke that into the screenplay and I thought, there is

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that that I have to put my own DNA into

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this in how what do I see when I look

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back at Africa? I see that woman. I see what

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Bobo sees when she turns around at the end of

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the film and looks out the back when that is

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what influenced me in my life. I know it influenced

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Alexander in her life because she's talked about it a lot.

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of gotten this film under your belt, is there something

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that you would.

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Say today to you on day one of shooting?

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Yes, I would say you know how to do this.

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So the first week or so, where I think I

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was tentative, tentative about directing, you know, tentative about some

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of the technical stuff, I would just say you absolutely

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know how to do this. Because probably about a week

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in I had to say to a couple of departments,

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I know how to do this please. You have to

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listen to me. And I think as a as a

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woman sort of raised at a certain time in the world,

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I didn't have that voice necessarily. I didn't feel It's

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like Matilda, I don't have a voice. I don't know

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how to speak up for myself. And I learned it quickly,

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and I'm glad I learned it in time. But that's

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what I would say, is you know how to do it.

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You know enough, You've been on enough film sets and

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you know how to do it.

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Basically.

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I love that, and I think that's a good reminder

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for anybody that kind of gets into that imposter syndrome

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almost is you know you are here for a reason

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to do this now that now that the project is out,

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do you see your next project being directing or do

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you want to take a break and go into acting,

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Like what are you thinking now?

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If a fantastic director comes along, one of the directors

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that I love, or a fantastic part, absolutely I would

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loved the ease, Oh my god, the ease of just

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acting now would be so wonderful to not have the

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responsibility of everything. But really, what I want to do

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after all of this is done is. I've got a

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few ideas. I want to sit down and start writing

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again because I'm slow at it, and I have a

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couple of ideas of things that I think could make

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you know, something interesting, But it's a long process for me.

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I'd love to direct again again. I know I have

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to love the story as much as I love this,

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and I think this is my this is my most

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beloved child. I just can't imagine loving a story as

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much as I love this. I fell in love with

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the book. The book sort of entered my bloodstream, and

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so I could draw from that. I wonder that I'll

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ever have that kind of rich source material again, but

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do it again because the act of creating that in

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its entirety was a wonderful thing for me.

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And you've worked with some of the you know, most

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amazing directors of all time. You know it, Tim Burton,

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Steven Spielberg, Sam Ray. I mean, did you along the

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way pick up anything that you now using in your

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own directing.

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Spielberg influenced me much more than I thought so. First

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of all, watching him very decisive very, very visual. But

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it's his films, not so much my experience of working

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with him, although that I learned a lot about how

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you run a set, how you move quickly, how you

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of his films. That idea of sort of going into

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the world of the child and that being the entry

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way by which the audience comes into your story is

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so powerful and resonated for me over and over again

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in his films. And Bob Altman had a way of

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just being an incredibly fluid on the ball, you know

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that let it evolve the way that it evolves. So

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that moving camera. I had to do that because I

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had a seven year old in the lead. I had

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to be on my toes, have two cameras, and I

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always said to the camera that was closest. You've got

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to grab everything. Get her, pulling her shorts out of

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her you know she'd have a wedgie, or you know,

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get her when she has her hiccups, get a close

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up of her filthy feet, and be on that magnificent

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face as much as you can, because that's the way

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that we would tell the story, and Bob Altman just

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had a very casual rhythm that wasn't a stressed, wasn't

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a contracted, strident way. He was very loose, and especially

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working with a child, you kind of had to be

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that way to keep it playful, keep it light even

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I love that so much, And Beth, thank you. I

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can't wait for everybody to see the film. It is

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so powerful and you have done such an incredible job

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with it. Thank you, thank you, thank you. Em Beth David,

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She's truly phenomenonal, truly one of the greats, and you

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can catch her, and don't Let's go to the Dogs tonight,

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which is out right now in select theaters and POV

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and it's absolutely worth the emotional damage. So bring tissues

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and line or you know water. All right, we're going

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to take a quick sixty second break to pay the bills,

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and we'll be going from childhood traumas to supernatural trauma

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when we return, with Ben Barnes and Joe Freeman discussing

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their new limited series, The Institute. Be back in sixty

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all right, Thank you for supporting our sponsors that support

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this show that lets me bring it to you every week,

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So thank you for that. Let's keep the vibes, but

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now let's make them weird with my next guess. All right,

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Stephen King fans, don't freak out. We're due because this

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one's for you and me because I'm a Stephen kingfan.

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The Institute is the chilling new limited series on MGM

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Plus based on Stephen King's twenty nineteen novel about a

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mysterious government facility that abducts gifted children with psychic abilities

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and then puts them through like crazy experiments, think like

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stranger things if it was written by someone who definitely

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doesn't believe in happy endings. Starring the always suave Ben

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Barnes and rising star Joe Freeman, the Institute really dives

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deep into the themes of control, power, and childhood lost

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in like the creepiest way possible. So here to talk

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about the series and how they survived shooting this psychological

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nightmare are Ben Barnes and Joe Freeman.

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Thank Zyl thanks for having us.

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Of course, First of all, congratulations on The Institute. I

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really love it. It's such a great series. Tell me

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for both of you, you know, Stephen King is such

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a legendary talent. You know, what is it like doing,

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you know, a version of one of his books? Ben?

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How about for you?

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I mean, I've always been such a huge Stephen King.

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Fanny's probably the most successfully adapted writer, maybe of all time.

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I don't know.

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I mean I've loved so many of his movies, from

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Shaw Shang to The Green mar to Stand By Me

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to The Running Man. I'm not a massive horror guy,

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which is interesting when you think about Stephen King, you

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associating with that, But actually he writes in all these

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different genres, and he writes about hope and humanity and

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toppling systems of oppression and banning together and friendship and love,

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and he writes about all the most important things, and

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all of those things I think are very neatly contained

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in this Institute story. Really two stories tim story and

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Luke's story that then kind of combined into one story

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as we go. And it's got a really slow burned,

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kind of simmering, horrifying tension to it as well. So

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it's really really cool to be able to, yeah, say

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that you play a character in the Stephen King cinematic universe.

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Yeah, how about for you, Joe.

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Yeah, I mean it's just you forget how much he

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has has done so the amount of classics that are

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out there, and and then you find out that it's

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Stephen King, You're like, well, of course it is like

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he's just Yeah, to be a part of that is amazing.

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And also for my personal family, my granddad, he could

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not believe it, Like he is the biggest Stephen King fan.

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I know he's got every book and yeah, it was

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special to be able to tell my family that, oh,

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I've got this this cool job when.

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They're like and to be so brilliant in it as well,

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thank you.

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And and running with that. Joe, do you did you

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feel some kind of responsibility first of all, you know,

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or pressure to do something from Stephen King? And then

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with you, you know, you're you're a great father. I

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believe you said, like, then you have that on top

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of it. Do you did you feel like extra pressure

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with that? Yeah?

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I mean, you know, I with with my granddad, he's

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one of those people that's just like, oh, I love

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it no matter what it is like, but if it's

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the worst thing in the world, it's just still right.

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But Stephen King you've.

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Got to be more on it nor more judicious Smith.

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Yeah, yeah, I don't think I have the same relationship

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with him as I do with my granddad.

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If you spend more time in possibly you know.

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But he's like, you want to try, and we talked

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about this is you want you don't want to distance

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it too much from what Stephen King originally wrote for

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the characters, because you want to be able to bring

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his book to life in the way that he imagined

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it as much as possible, while also incorporating your own

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stuff into the into the role.

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And for you, Ben, you know, you've done all kinds

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of work. Do you do you feel, you know, when

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you're doing an adapt adaptation of a Stephen King project,

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do you feel pressure or or anything or are you

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like be able to are you able to kind of

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like chill?

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And I think there is a bit more pressure when

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there's a novel because people have preconceived ideas. When they've

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read a story about they've imagined the character, They've pictured them,

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they pictured them walking around, They've pictured them doing these

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having these sort of dynamic adventures, saying the things that

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you say. So I think when it's just a script

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you're that you're the you're the the author of that character,

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you're you know, whereas there's always a bit more pressure

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when there's expectation on it, I think. But because it's

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a more recent book, I don't know if every every

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Stephen King found has found their way to this story.

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And I think we've got a really compelling version of it,

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and the characters are truthful enough to the story, but

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a little bit different enough for the people who've watched

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the story to to feel that there's still some suspense

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in it. But yeah, I've I've been very lucky to

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work on different adaptations. I could never ask like Oscar

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Wilde what he thought of my Dorian Gray.

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But but you know, Stephen King coming.

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On board as a as a as a producer on

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this show after he watched some certainly felt like a

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like a really valuable stamp of approval for us.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, and you know, going going with that Ben it

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is And he tends to write emotionally heavy characters that

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you know, not just sometimes the situations that are in

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that are scary, but the emotional things that are that

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they're facing are scary as well. Is that one of

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the things that attracted you to the project.

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Yeah, I mean, I'm always keen to get involved with

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projects that I feel like have subtext to them which

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can connect with the world that we're living in. You know,

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the kind of chaos of the world that the nastiness

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of it, the heaviness of it, even the best of

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men living with, you know, questioning their conscience. But people

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always say that if you you know, you wouldn't. Oh,

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I'm wrestling with this. I wondered if I did the

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right thing. And the fact that you're wrestling with something

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shows what a good person that you are in the

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first place, that you're not one of the psychopaths. And

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I think it connects with those kind of themes, but

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it also connects with what Stephen King writes about a lot,

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which is the vulnerable kind of banding together and using

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their collective powers to kind of topple systems that seem

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to be working unregulated, unchecked, to kind of retain their

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power and to you know, just to kind of behave

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however they want to behave. And so I think he

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is a very thoughtful person about the world that we

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live in, and he engages with that through his storytelling and.

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Joe what is the thing that you have found doing,

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you know, doing the series, that something that you could

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take from either your character or one of the other characters.

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Is there is there anything that you have kind of

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taken personally home with you?

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Well, I mean from the get go, it was like

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I wanted to try and incorporate some of who I

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am into Luke anyway, just to make it because you know,

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why would you want to make it more difficult for yourself?

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And also it's the most honest.

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Yeah, so I suppose not I haven't taken anything from

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Luke pers but sort of given Luke and I suppose

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take it anywhere, like you know, you know what I mean, Like, yeah.

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You've contributed some of Joe Toto into Luke. Yeah, I

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like to think.

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So.

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Yeah, and how about for you, Ben? I'm interested in

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that for you as well, Like you know, do you

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as you do every project that you do, do you

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is there something that you take from it? Or are

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you more like Joe or you want to give it,

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give part of Ben and then move on to the

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next one.

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Yeah, I think, I mean, I think you look for

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the qualities, certainly for this character. Having played a bunch

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of baddies in a row. To have a character who's

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gripping so firmly to their moral compass, and you know,

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playing character for whom it's important to be a good

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man in the world, to be a man and full

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of decency, to be someone who's fueled by protection and

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love rather than by ambition, which I've played a few

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of those in a row. It's always nice to kind

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of feel like you're like, you admire the characters that

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you're playing, and you're you're looking to represent something in

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even in a fictional world, because I think this stuff translates.

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Is important the stories that we tell, and it's important

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the messages we put out there.

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Awesome. I love that. Thank you both so much. I

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can't wait for everybody to see the Institute. They're going

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to enjoy it as much as I did. I know it.

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Thank you man, Thank you so much.

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Thank you guys. Have a great day. Ben Bonds and

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Joe Freeman, big thanks to them for creeping us out

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in the best way possible. The Institute of Streaming right

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now on MGM Plus. And trust me, you will never

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look at a government facility or a gifted child in

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the same way again. Now if you're thinking that show

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as wild, but what if someone made a horror movie

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about influencers. Well, don't you worry, my beautifuls. The next

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guy already did. So let's bring in Josh Stolberg. Josh

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00:27:10.640 --> 00:27:15.240
is the twisted genius who's written multiple Saw films like

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00:27:15.480 --> 00:27:20.079
Spiral Saw ten Saw X, Piranha three D and now

487
00:27:20.119 --> 00:27:22.720
brings us the horror movie we all knew was coming.

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00:27:23.079 --> 00:27:25.920
It's called skill House and it is a razor sharp,

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00:27:26.200 --> 00:27:31.240
glory as hell satire horror that follows a group of

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00:27:31.319 --> 00:27:35.079
influencers that are like competing for fame in a reality

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00:27:35.119 --> 00:27:39.400
show where your follower count just might determine whether you

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00:27:39.559 --> 00:27:44.480
live or die. And yes, it is just as gloriously

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unhinged as it sounds. So we're gonna talk blood, fame

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00:27:49.359 --> 00:27:54.279
and cancel culture because director writer Josh Staalberg is here

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00:27:54.279 --> 00:27:59.160
to talk about killing clout chasers, working with actual TikTok stars,

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00:27:59.640 --> 00:28:04.079
and why horror is still the best genre to hold

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00:28:04.160 --> 00:28:07.000
up a mirror to our culture. I truly believe that

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here he is Josh Stallberry. First of all, Josh, welcome.

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00:28:13.799 --> 00:28:15.160
I appreciate you speaking with me.

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I'm so happy to be here. I love iHeartRadio. I

501
00:28:19.799 --> 00:28:22.400
listened to it daily, so to what it's where, it's

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00:28:22.440 --> 00:28:24.799
my podcast streaming of choice.

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00:28:24.799 --> 00:28:30.960
So yeah, awesome, awesome, thank you. So congrats on the film.

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00:28:31.079 --> 00:28:33.000
I want to go back a little bit though, on

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00:28:33.119 --> 00:28:38.880
your career. First, you've had an awesome career writer and director.

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00:28:40.400 --> 00:28:43.680
You didn't necessarily start out with horror, but then you

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00:28:43.799 --> 00:28:44.279
kind of.

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00:28:45.680 --> 00:28:50.079
Yeah, here are my first credits, honey, I shrunk the kids,

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the TV show Sabrina, the animated series Avatar, The Last

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00:28:55.720 --> 00:28:58.359
Airbender on Nick, Like, all of my stuff is all

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00:28:58.720 --> 00:29:01.720
like when I started, was all kid stuff. And then51200:29:01.720 --> 00:29:04.440



at some point I was sitting in a room writing51300:29:05.000 --> 00:29:07.640



dumb jokes about getting kicked in the balls, you know,51400:29:07.799 --> 00:29:10.000



and and and kids laughing at it, and I was51500:29:10.039 --> 00:29:12.039



just like, I got it. I gotta find something else.51600:29:13.160 --> 00:29:16.079



And my first horror script was actually I couldn't. I51700:29:16.079 --> 00:29:18.720



couldn't get hired to write a horror film because I51800:29:18.799 --> 00:29:21.119



was known in the in the kids' space. And I51900:29:21.160 --> 00:29:25.000



had a friend who owned the rights to Piranha, Piranha.52000:29:24.559 --> 00:29:25.559



The old Piranha movie.52100:29:25.839 --> 00:29:28.200



Yeah, And I called him up one day I heard52200:29:28.240 --> 00:29:29.480



he had the rights. I was like, look, I know52300:29:29.519 --> 00:29:31.599



you're not gonna hire me to do it. Give me52400:29:32.119 --> 00:29:35.519



three weeks. Give me three weeks. Don't sell it, don't52500:29:35.680 --> 00:29:38.000



hire somebody else, Just give me three weeks. I'm gonna52600:29:38.039 --> 00:29:41.359



write a script called killer Fish, and if you like it,52700:29:41.440 --> 00:29:43.480



you can turn it into Piranha three D. And if52800:29:43.480 --> 00:29:45.799



you hate it, you can throw it away and I'll52900:29:45.799 --> 00:29:47.559



wait till after your movie gets made, and I'll try53000:29:47.559 --> 00:29:50.680



to make killer Fish someplace else. And that's when Pete53100:29:50.680 --> 00:29:52.960



and I wrote Piranha three D. And it was our53200:29:53.000 --> 00:29:56.799



first horror script sold, and it led down the path53300:29:56.960 --> 00:30:00.200



of me pursuing horror movies, which has always been I53400:30:00.240 --> 00:30:03.960



love like Halloween changed my life as a kid, so53500:30:04.599 --> 00:30:07.680



and then being able to like I even got to chance.53600:30:07.759 --> 00:30:10.480



Pete and I wrote on did a rewrite of of53700:30:10.799 --> 00:30:13.880



a of a Halloween movie. And being able to write53800:30:13.920 --> 00:30:17.200



kills for the Michael Myers after having a poster of53900:30:17.240 --> 00:30:20.000



him up in my wall growing up was just it.54000:30:20.000 --> 00:30:20.759



Blew my mind.54100:30:21.240 --> 00:30:23.720



Yeah, And that's actually I was going to ask you54200:30:23.759 --> 00:30:26.640



about horror. I'm a huge horror fan and and I54300:30:26.680 --> 00:30:30.079



love your horror work. First of all, Piranha was such54400:30:30.200 --> 00:30:35.319



a fun horror movie that kind of you know, across54500:30:35.400 --> 00:30:39.200



different boundaries genres. This is the word I was thinking.54600:30:39.720 --> 00:30:44.920



I mean, maybe some boundaries too roughily some boundaries. But uh,54700:30:45.000 --> 00:30:48.279



but then you're the three Saw films you did are54800:30:48.920 --> 00:30:51.960



I would say they're they're my three favorite, but I54900:30:52.000 --> 00:30:58.240



would say generally in the Saw fandom are probably the55000:30:58.319 --> 00:31:02.319



three most beloved FI films as well. Were you a55100:31:02.359 --> 00:31:07.039



fan before that or were you like become a student55200:31:07.119 --> 00:31:09.599



and then you know, jump into it. No?55300:31:09.599 --> 00:31:09.799



No.55400:31:09.920 --> 00:31:13.480



I saw the original Saw in Westwood the night it55500:31:13.599 --> 00:31:17.319



opened Friday night showing at midnight. I was standing in55600:31:17.359 --> 00:31:20.160



line in a huge line because the word amouth had55700:31:20.160 --> 00:31:23.400



already gotten out, and it blew. When when Tobin Bell55800:31:23.480 --> 00:31:26.359



stands up at the end, it just blew my mind.55900:31:27.200 --> 00:31:30.839



I became addicted with the franchise. But again, like I said,56000:31:30.880 --> 00:31:34.039



I was writing for Sabrina, so nobody would have ever56100:31:34.119 --> 00:31:37.240



brought me in. So it took writing Sorority Row in56200:31:37.279 --> 00:31:40.319



Pirana three D and those films in order to get56300:31:40.319 --> 00:31:43.079



the attention of the studio. So walking in to do56400:31:43.599 --> 00:31:47.039



Saw was really kind of a dream come true. It's56500:31:47.079 --> 00:31:50.480



one of my favorite franchises. Tobin Bell, I think is56600:31:51.079 --> 00:31:54.960



the most iconic car because of how layered.56700:31:54.640 --> 00:31:55.440



The character is.56800:31:56.200 --> 00:31:59.119



And while I really appreciate you Kyle for saying how56900:31:59.160 --> 00:32:02.119



beloved all three are, the.57000:32:02.079 --> 00:32:03.079



First two were tough.57100:32:03.200 --> 00:32:03.400



You know.57200:32:03.839 --> 00:32:07.559



Jigsaw was kind of trying to come back to something57300:32:07.759 --> 00:32:09.680



after it had been dormant for such a long time57400:32:09.720 --> 00:32:12.240



and trying to find a way to make it new57500:32:12.400 --> 00:32:15.880



and old at the same time. And then spiral going57600:32:15.920 --> 00:32:19.240



so far out into left field with with Chris Rock.57700:32:20.240 --> 00:32:24.079



I think while we brought in some fans that were57800:32:24.480 --> 00:32:28.240



that became friends of the franchise, because of the of Rock,57900:32:29.519 --> 00:32:33.359



the the film I think disappointed a lot of the58000:32:34.039 --> 00:32:35.880



Saw fans because he didn't have Tobin Bell in it.58100:32:35.960 --> 00:32:39.319



So when we started with ten, I said to them58200:32:39.480 --> 00:32:42.599



from the very very get that this should be a58300:32:42.680 --> 00:32:45.079



John Kramer movie. This should be all about John Kramer.58400:32:45.319 --> 00:32:47.559



Don't want to see a frame of the movie that58500:32:47.599 --> 00:32:51.319



he's not in. And I'm very thankful that they said yes.58600:32:52.799 --> 00:32:56.000



The the Twisted Pictured producers were both totally on board58700:32:56.400 --> 00:32:58.039



and uh and it was.58800:32:58.240 --> 00:32:58.559



It was.58900:32:59.279 --> 00:33:01.599



I am very very proud of that movie and and59000:33:01.720 --> 00:33:04.759



happy that it it was so well received both critically59100:33:04.799 --> 00:33:05.640



and by the fans.59200:33:06.119 --> 00:33:09.400



Yeah. Yeah, especially for a franchise that has been around59300:33:09.480 --> 00:33:12.920



for a long time, you know, Number ten, dude, Number ten, Kyle.59400:33:13.319 --> 00:33:15.720



Yeah, you're not supposed to get a good review on59500:33:15.839 --> 00:33:17.319



number ten, exactly.59600:33:17.440 --> 00:33:20.279



They're supposed to be in space or something by that exactly.59700:33:22.160 --> 00:33:27.559



So for Skillhouse, you, you know, it really kind of exposes59800:33:27.680 --> 00:33:33.240



the dark side of of influencer culture and clout chasing59900:33:33.279 --> 00:33:36.720



and that sort of thing. Do you do you is60000:33:36.799 --> 00:33:42.680



this like a love letter or a warning about kind60100:33:42.720 --> 00:33:44.559



of you know, this cunture.60200:33:44.920 --> 00:33:46.960



I'm hoping it's a bit of a love letter for60300:33:47.000 --> 00:33:51.000



the kids because we're seeing them, you know, where we're60400:33:51.400 --> 00:33:54.640



we're we're taking them in and trying to show, you know,60500:33:54.839 --> 00:33:57.200



show a little bit of their lives, and you know,60600:33:57.240 --> 00:34:00.599



we really also try to create an interact to feel60700:34:00.640 --> 00:34:02.720



with the way we shot the movie. The screen language60800:34:02.720 --> 00:34:05.240



of the film, you know, with the vertical phone frames60900:34:05.319 --> 00:34:08.960



and the comment overlays and the deep fake videos, they're61000:34:09.000 --> 00:34:12.920



all woven into the cinematography, and we're kind of hoping61100:34:12.960 --> 00:34:16.239



that mirrors a little bit about how gen Z consumes media.61200:34:17.920 --> 00:34:20.679



So there's that, but me coming at it and looking61300:34:20.679 --> 00:34:22.519



at it and getting angry at my kids all the61400:34:22.519 --> 00:34:25.400



time for how much time they're scrolling on on TikTok61500:34:25.440 --> 00:34:27.360



and why they're now go out and play with their friends.61600:34:27.880 --> 00:34:30.000



You know, I really look at this movie as less61700:34:30.039 --> 00:34:32.599



of a horror film and more of a horror satire.61800:34:33.519 --> 00:34:39.079



You know, we're we're skewering the influencer culture a little61900:34:39.119 --> 00:34:42.519



bit about the idea of that the way that they62000:34:42.639 --> 00:34:46.559



look at being seen is all about getting likes. It's62100:34:46.599 --> 00:34:51.480



all about getting clicks, getting subscribes, getting likes, and likes62200:34:51.519 --> 00:34:54.719



are like life for them, and in we decided to62300:34:54.760 --> 00:34:57.760



make a movie where you know, they actually are life.62400:34:57.800 --> 00:35:01.199



If you don't get the likes, then you die, so62500:35:01.199 --> 00:35:05.800



so that was really important and also thematically.62600:35:06.679 --> 00:35:07.199



Thematic.62700:35:07.239 --> 00:35:11.360



Look, I love these kids, I absolutely love them, just62800:35:11.400 --> 00:35:12.960



like I love my own kids. But I can I62900:35:13.679 --> 00:35:16.039



can be disappointed in the way that they behave sometimes,63000:35:16.280 --> 00:35:18.400



I can. I can I can critique the way they63100:35:18.440 --> 00:35:22.199



behave sometimes and and and and I am not just63200:35:22.280 --> 00:35:24.239



laying it on their feet. I'm also laying it on63300:35:24.280 --> 00:35:27.920



the audience's feet as well. You know this this film63400:35:27.960 --> 00:35:31.599



thematically is about spectacle for profit, but it's also about63500:35:31.639 --> 00:35:37.039



the audience's complicity in what's happening. Uh, these kids would63600:35:37.039 --> 00:35:40.280



not be jumping from a run rooftop onto another rooftop63700:35:40.679 --> 00:35:44.599



and accidentally killing themselves. If they weren't doing it for likes,63800:35:44.639 --> 00:35:48.159



if they weren't doing it, and if when the kid63900:35:48.239 --> 00:35:51.320



does die and it goes all spreads all over social64000:35:51.320 --> 00:35:55.239



media and goes viral, it just makes more kids see that,64100:35:55.559 --> 00:35:58.039



Oh that kid got famous. I can do the same thing.64200:35:58.760 --> 00:36:02.400



It's crazy, It absolutely crazy. And and and I And64300:36:02.440 --> 00:36:06.000



what we tried to do is the film literally packages64400:36:06.760 --> 00:36:08.920



violence for the viewers in the same way that the64500:36:09.239 --> 00:36:10.920



the the influencer culture does.64600:36:11.440 --> 00:36:15.679



M I love that. Do you think gen Z in64700:36:15.719 --> 00:36:21.559



particular is uh desensitized to violence? Like, do you have64800:36:21.639 --> 00:36:26.639



to up the stakes more in film because of what64900:36:26.679 --> 00:36:29.360



they expose themselves all the time on their phones.65000:36:30.280 --> 00:36:33.280



That's a really really good point. And the truth is65100:36:33.280 --> 00:36:37.039



that I've been scrolling and seeing so much real life65200:36:37.119 --> 00:36:40.440



violence on on online, you know, especially with the Wars65300:36:40.480 --> 00:36:43.639



going on, and seeing just so many just horrific images,65400:36:44.199 --> 00:36:46.000



whether it's from the wars or with from the floods65500:36:46.079 --> 00:36:49.880



or like whatever it is. I do think that there65600:36:49.960 --> 00:36:54.400



is a separation between real violence and and and art violence,65700:36:54.440 --> 00:36:56.719



you know, Like I there's nothing I like more than65800:36:56.760 --> 00:36:58.800



coming up with a cool way to kill somebody. But65900:36:58.960 --> 00:37:01.559



I'm doing it with the idea that it's a roller66000:37:01.559 --> 00:37:04.599



coaster ride for the audience. It's you know, I want66100:37:04.639 --> 00:37:09.679



them to experience the thrill and the panic. But you know,66200:37:09.800 --> 00:37:13.519



I'm a big I'm a big believer in that horror films,66300:37:13.559 --> 00:37:15.360



you should also be able to eat your popcorn at66400:37:15.360 --> 00:37:17.639



the same time and not throw up into the bucket.66500:37:18.840 --> 00:37:22.280



That said, as you just kind of commented on, I66600:37:22.280 --> 00:37:25.599



think horror movies are taking like going up, and you know,66700:37:25.639 --> 00:37:29.199



the The Terrifier franchise. I just I've got my own66800:37:29.400 --> 00:37:33.639



podcast on that's on iHeartRadio. I'll plug it right now.66900:37:33.719 --> 00:37:35.440



Darren and Josh make a movie. We just talked to67000:37:35.519 --> 00:37:38.639



Lauren Levera, who's the star of The Terrifier, and that67100:37:38.719 --> 00:37:43.639



episode dropped today and the idea, you know, we were67200:37:43.719 --> 00:37:47.920



fighting the MPAA on every single you know, we couldn't67300:37:47.960 --> 00:37:51.400



show things in Saw because the NPA said no. But67400:37:51.480 --> 00:37:55.960



then to see Damien put out Terrifier and just say,67500:37:56.159 --> 00:37:58.719



fuck the MPAA, we don't need you. We're gonna go67600:37:58.760 --> 00:38:03.679



out at seventeen unrated and it kills, it destroys, it67700:38:03.719 --> 00:38:06.679



makes it. I think it might have made more money67800:38:06.679 --> 00:38:10.639



than Jigsaw did in the opening weekend. So so you know,67900:38:11.039 --> 00:38:14.039



f the gatekeepers, you know, we need to we need to,68000:38:14.840 --> 00:38:17.639



you know, let the audience enjoy what they want to enjoy.68100:38:18.360 --> 00:38:20.760



I love that, Josh. Thank you so much. It's a68200:38:20.800 --> 00:38:22.719



pleasure speaking to you, and I can't wait for everybody68300:38:22.719 --> 00:38:23.480



to see Skillhouse.68400:38:23.679 --> 00:38:25.800



Thanks Lockle, I really appreciate it was really nice talking68500:38:25.840 --> 00:38:26.039



to you.68600:38:26.440 --> 00:38:32.760



It was well, thank you you too, man Josh Stallberg,68700:38:33.639 --> 00:38:39.360



the brilliantly twisted man who took influencer culture, added blood,68800:38:39.519 --> 00:38:42.920



added satire and called it Skillhouse. I'm telling you the68900:38:42.960 --> 00:38:46.039



film is a total ride and it just might make69000:38:46.119 --> 00:38:51.119



you rethink your next TikTok. Love Josh, such a pleasure69100:38:51.199 --> 00:38:54.119



talking him, and speaking of TikTok. When we come back,69200:38:54.400 --> 00:38:56.960



we're gonna speak with the man who stars in all69300:38:57.000 --> 00:38:59.960



of this madness. You know him, You've seen the head69400:39:00.119 --> 00:39:04.639



lines and yes he's still standing. Bryce Hall joins us69500:39:04.760 --> 00:39:13.480



right here in sixty seconds. All right, as always, thank69600:39:13.519 --> 00:39:17.239



you for supporting our sponsors because they allow me to69700:39:17.280 --> 00:39:20.920



bring this show to you. All right, whether you know69800:39:21.079 --> 00:39:26.199



him from TikTok, from throwing hands in influencer boxing rings,69900:39:26.360 --> 00:39:30.400



or from being on every gen Z mood board marked70000:39:30.559 --> 00:39:36.039



chaotic neutral. My next guest has officially entered his horror70100:39:36.079 --> 00:39:41.519



movie era. Bryce Hall, stars and Skillhouse blood Soaked No70200:39:41.679 --> 00:39:46.360



Filter satire that asked what if Chasing Klout literally killed you? And,70300:39:46.519 --> 00:39:49.039



as I said earlier spoiler alert, we kind of know70400:39:49.119 --> 00:39:52.119



that it already does, but in this case there's way70500:39:52.159 --> 00:39:56.519



more gore and slightly fewer brand deals. Speaking of killer70600:39:56.599 --> 00:40:00.480



brand deals, I am dying to support your business. Hit70700:40:00.599 --> 00:40:04.719



us up if you're interested. I'm only partly kidding. All right,70800:40:04.840 --> 00:40:11.280



let's get into it with Bryce Saw. How you doing, man?70900:40:11.800 --> 00:40:14.719



Oh, I'm vibing. I'm having a great time. Yeah.71000:40:14.800 --> 00:40:15.360



You loving this?71100:40:15.960 --> 00:40:16.719



Yeah?71200:40:17.039 --> 00:40:19.599



So what's the excitement like for you? I mean, you71300:40:19.599 --> 00:40:22.679



have a movie coming out this week? Like, tell me71400:40:22.719 --> 00:40:23.840



about that. What are you thinking?71500:40:24.360 --> 00:40:26.199



You know? I thought it was gonna be smooth sailing,71600:40:26.559 --> 00:40:31.440



just posting my videos and people were just gonna go71700:40:31.559 --> 00:40:33.119



in there, and then people were telling me I have71800:40:33.119 --> 00:40:36.079



to do press things, and I'm like, what does that mean?71900:40:36.719 --> 00:40:39.119



So now here doing an interview with a bunch of people,72000:40:39.519 --> 00:40:42.760



and everyone that sees multiple interviews is gonna see I'm72100:40:42.760 --> 00:40:45.599



were in the same exact outfit in every interview. So72200:40:46.360 --> 00:40:51.800



I think it's great though, besides you know that, So72300:40:52.039 --> 00:40:52.719



what was it like?72400:40:52.840 --> 00:40:54.960



I mean, this is you know, you've made a movie.72500:40:55.159 --> 00:40:59.880



You've crossed that bridge, so to speak. You know, what's72600:41:00.719 --> 00:41:03.920



how has this been for you? Is it different from72700:41:04.280 --> 00:41:07.760



is it fundamentally different from what you have typically done72800:41:07.760 --> 00:41:08.360



in your career?72900:41:09.440 --> 00:41:12.599



Filmed this three years ago, and it felt like I73000:41:12.679 --> 00:41:18.000



was filming a higher production YouTube skit. That's what it73100:41:18.159 --> 00:41:21.119



genuinely felt like. It was. It was a great experience,73200:41:21.199 --> 00:41:23.960



that was really fun, and I saw some clips and73300:41:24.000 --> 00:41:27.519



some final cuts of everything. It's it turned out great,73400:41:27.559 --> 00:41:28.159



way better than I.73500:41:28.159 --> 00:41:32.440



Thought it was gonna be. Really Yeah, And so skillels73600:41:32.639 --> 00:41:36.639



it kind of dives into the darker side of influencer culture.73700:41:36.800 --> 00:41:41.760



You know how much of that obviously this isn't a documentary,73800:41:41.800 --> 00:41:44.559



but how much of that is taken from your own life?73900:41:44.639 --> 00:41:47.320



For you know, your character in the film in general?74000:41:48.000 --> 00:41:52.960



Oh, it's extremely similar except the fact that I don't die,74100:41:53.920 --> 00:41:56.039



and no other social media creators die if they don't74200:41:56.079 --> 00:41:58.960



reach a certain amount of views. But the culture of74300:42:00.119 --> 00:42:03.639



wanting as much as many eyeballs on you as possible74400:42:03.679 --> 00:42:07.119



and doing anything to do that. The message was there,74500:42:07.119 --> 00:42:08.760



it's just a little deeper in the film.74600:42:09.000 --> 00:42:12.440



And do you feel that there is this pressure? You know,74700:42:12.480 --> 00:42:15.199



you've been creating a long time, you know, do you74800:42:15.280 --> 00:42:18.239



feel even today that there is this pressure to be74900:42:18.360 --> 00:42:21.639



bigger and better and get more eyes on it? And75000:42:22.199 --> 00:42:26.280



you know, is it this constant struggle today? Still?75100:42:26.840 --> 00:42:31.320



For me, I don't do the crazy things that I75200:42:31.360 --> 00:42:34.440



was doing when I first started to get eyeballs. Now75300:42:34.480 --> 00:42:37.079



it's just it's it's like, I'm the most authentic version75400:42:37.119 --> 00:42:39.840



of myself online and I feel like this is a way.75500:42:40.079 --> 00:42:42.360



This is my lane, Like the lane that I'm doing75600:42:42.440 --> 00:42:45.440



right now is what I want. But social media creators75700:42:45.440 --> 00:42:48.360



that are just starting, the live streamers, those guys have75800:42:48.400 --> 00:42:50.360



to think of something every single day that's going to75900:42:50.440 --> 00:42:52.719



get eyeballs, and I can see how that can be76000:42:53.760 --> 00:42:55.280



a lot.76100:42:55.679 --> 00:42:58.519



What's your advice for those guys? And you know those76200:42:58.559 --> 00:42:59.719



people starting out.76300:43:00.079 --> 00:43:04.199



Don't take it too far? Actually, I mean even if76400:43:04.239 --> 00:43:05.920



I say don't take it too far, they're gonna be like, oh,76500:43:05.920 --> 00:43:08.320



that's easy. But you never know when you take it76600:43:08.360 --> 00:43:13.280



too far until you get the backlash. So just maybe76700:43:13.880 --> 00:43:17.159



ask your peers around you if you're taking it too far.76800:43:18.119 --> 00:43:22.039



Okay, and you know, you have been known for being76900:43:22.159 --> 00:43:26.360



pretty unfiltered in your content. Was there ever a time77000:43:26.599 --> 00:43:30.039



making this where you kind of had to hold back77100:43:30.360 --> 00:43:35.079



some of you, either in actual production or the film itself.77200:43:36.039 --> 00:43:39.280



My character's based off of a more exaggerated version of myself,77300:43:39.320 --> 00:43:42.199



so if I did have like a outburst like that,77400:43:42.199 --> 00:43:44.159



they kept it in the film. There were some weird77500:43:44.199 --> 00:43:47.480



moments where the producer who I'm close with, one of77600:43:47.519 --> 00:43:50.480



the producers, Ryan Kavanaugh and Brad Baskin, like I'm close77700:43:50.519 --> 00:43:54.079



with them. They would get me angry or pay on77800:43:54.199 --> 00:43:56.840



set and I would be ranting about something else and77900:43:56.840 --> 00:43:59.960



they would put it in that in a scene that78000:44:00.199 --> 00:44:02.920



matched that vibe. It was so weird, like how they78100:44:03.079 --> 00:44:05.199



how movie creation works. Like they used some of the78200:44:05.239 --> 00:44:07.480



clips where I was arguing and they were putting it78300:44:07.519 --> 00:44:10.480



in the film and it looked great. I was like,78400:44:10.519 --> 00:44:13.960



what how did you guys do that? They were like78500:44:14.039 --> 00:44:18.480



my phone at it. I'm like, what, you know?78600:44:19.079 --> 00:44:24.639



Skillhouse is a horror film, quite obviously, what is the78700:44:24.679 --> 00:44:29.280



realist horror moment that you've had? You know, You've had78800:44:29.280 --> 00:44:34.559



a long career in your influencing career. I guess it78900:44:34.639 --> 00:44:38.679



was the best way to say, you know, ever had79000:44:38.679 --> 00:44:40.280



any scary thing?79100:44:40.440 --> 00:44:40.639



Never.79200:44:40.840 --> 00:44:43.880



I never had a scary moment. But I think if79300:44:43.920 --> 00:44:46.840



you look at it deeper, some of the comments that79400:44:46.880 --> 00:44:50.800



are extremely negative, you could say that that could be79500:44:52.440 --> 00:44:55.199



horror related. But honestly, I never really cared for eight79600:44:55.880 --> 00:44:57.679



I never really cared if people hated me.79700:44:58.880 --> 00:45:01.840



How did you? How did you like just let that79800:45:01.960 --> 00:45:02.440



roll off.79900:45:03.239 --> 00:45:05.039



I think it's the way I grew up shout out80000:45:05.119 --> 00:45:08.079



to my mom. I don't know. I just was bullied80100:45:08.159 --> 00:45:11.960



throughout my entire high school, middle school, so like I80200:45:12.039 --> 00:45:14.320



kind of was just used to people taking shots at80300:45:14.360 --> 00:45:16.519



main and then just being like, I don't even care.80400:45:18.119 --> 00:45:20.599



And it's kind of funny, like, you know, thinking about80500:45:20.599 --> 00:45:24.079



it in under the lens of your career that you know,80600:45:24.239 --> 00:45:28.599



you have had these haters that like, yeah, bro, you're80700:45:28.760 --> 00:45:31.360



you're one of tens of thousands of comments on a80800:45:31.480 --> 00:45:32.599



video with tens of millions of.80900:45:32.599 --> 00:45:36.119



Views, Like cool, you know what I mean? Yeah? No. Also,81000:45:36.159 --> 00:45:38.599



I use it as like great, I respond to some81100:45:38.639 --> 00:45:42.480



of the hate comments because it's great video content. I81200:45:42.480 --> 00:45:45.599



can make it into like a comedy, like a comic81300:45:45.599 --> 00:45:48.159



coal video just based off of like some of their81400:45:48.199 --> 00:45:50.119



hate comments. It's it's actually really fun to do.81500:45:50.599 --> 00:45:54.679



I love that. So some critics and I don't consider,81600:45:55.159 --> 00:45:57.920



you know, myself a critic. I'm a huge movie buff obviously,81700:45:57.960 --> 00:46:00.599



but I review movies, but I don't like I'm not81800:46:00.679 --> 00:46:04.679



like a critic. But some critics say that influencers don't81900:46:04.719 --> 00:46:08.280



belong in cinema. Do you feel that skill house and82000:46:08.360 --> 00:46:10.559



especially you, you know, now that you have a film82100:46:10.639 --> 00:46:14.039



under your belt, presumably more to come in your career,82200:46:14.320 --> 00:46:17.079



do you feel that that is like an old style,82300:46:17.679 --> 00:46:18.599



old way of thinking.82400:46:19.199 --> 00:46:20.760



I think that is an old way of thinking. I82500:46:20.760 --> 00:46:24.280



didn't think. I don't think anyone thought social media creators82600:46:24.320 --> 00:46:26.360



would be as big as they are today or as82700:46:26.480 --> 00:46:30.880



influential in modern day culture as they are today. Like82800:46:30.880 --> 00:46:34.920



they're already being in put in random movies like Family82900:46:34.960 --> 00:46:39.000



Guys addressed some social media creators. They're they're putting social83000:46:39.000 --> 00:46:44.760



media creators everywhere now because it's so hip, it's so new,83100:46:44.880 --> 00:46:46.840



Like live streamers are the biggest thing in the world.83200:46:46.880 --> 00:46:50.199



Some of these, these these influencers, some of these creators83300:46:50.239 --> 00:46:53.679



are getting more views than a less celebrities now, you know,83400:46:54.119 --> 00:46:58.400



like it's it's it's new world and social media has83500:46:58.440 --> 00:47:01.920



a way bigger impact than people or as Hollywood. Thanks.83600:47:01.920 --> 00:47:04.039



I guess this is I guess this is the first one.83700:47:04.880 --> 00:47:06.440



This is going to be the first test, like or83800:47:06.480 --> 00:47:10.320



the stepping stone to maybe potentially like a new world83900:47:10.360 --> 00:47:11.000



of Hollywood.84000:47:12.239 --> 00:47:16.800



Do you think Hollywood fears influencers take kind of taking84100:47:16.840 --> 00:47:19.159



over the traditional system.84200:47:20.000 --> 00:47:23.639



I think I can see how it would be scary84300:47:23.880 --> 00:47:28.119



because it's a bunch of people who have no pr training,84400:47:28.280 --> 00:47:31.960



a bunch of people who have just like experience with84500:47:32.000 --> 00:47:34.559



a camera that's on them and they say whatever they want,84600:47:34.840 --> 00:47:40.320



like they're they're like a walking time bomb for Hollywood.84700:47:40.400 --> 00:47:45.239



Yeah, do what do you see in your future?84800:47:45.320 --> 00:47:45.559



Now?84900:47:45.639 --> 00:47:48.679



You know, now now that you've you've been expanding your85000:47:49.039 --> 00:47:51.920



creative outlets, you know, do you did you get the85100:47:51.960 --> 00:47:55.480



taste for film and now like you want to double85200:47:55.559 --> 00:47:58.280



down on that or you know what? What are you thinking?85300:47:58.679 --> 00:48:04.039



We're already working on really awesome movie. Uh not skillhouse related,85400:48:04.119 --> 00:48:07.559



Like it's it's a pretty sick concept and the budget85500:48:07.719 --> 00:48:11.559



is pretty high. This this film should be great. Okay,85600:48:12.000 --> 00:48:13.880



So yeah, I'm gonna be dipping my toes in every85700:48:13.880 --> 00:48:15.960



form of entertainment and acting is one of those things.85800:48:15.960 --> 00:48:21.280



So yeah, that's like the Teaser of the Century. Are85900:48:21.320 --> 00:48:22.800



you a horror fan in general?86000:48:23.599 --> 00:48:24.639



I love horror films.86100:48:24.719 --> 00:48:27.880



Yeah, So what are your you know, as you're a86200:48:27.920 --> 00:48:31.719



few years ago, as you started into this project, was86300:48:31.760 --> 00:48:35.920



there anything that you took binge through whatever to kind86400:48:35.920 --> 00:48:40.559



of hype yourself up to be in a horror film.86500:48:41.159 --> 00:48:43.760



I just watched a bunch of horror films. I watched86600:48:43.800 --> 00:48:47.320



horror films like every single night. It's the only only86700:48:47.360 --> 00:48:49.400



thing I watched. So there's no like real studying for it.86800:48:49.400 --> 00:48:50.880



It was just kind of like, oh, this is gonna86900:48:50.880 --> 00:48:52.880



be awesome, and some of the things that we were87000:48:52.880 --> 00:48:56.239



shooting on set, I didn't think we're gonna look as good.87100:48:56.400 --> 00:48:58.159



And then they showed me what it was gonna look87200:48:58.199 --> 00:49:00.440



like and what it looked like after it was I87300:49:00.480 --> 00:49:04.239



was like, oh my wow. The movie creation behind the87400:49:04.239 --> 00:49:05.119



scenes is insane.87500:49:06.920 --> 00:49:08.360



What is some of your favorites?87600:49:10.719 --> 00:49:14.280



Dude? You could ask that, like, for I mean, is87700:49:14.559 --> 00:49:18.360



Final Destination considered a horror I would say so. I87800:49:18.400 --> 00:49:22.039



think that that whole thing, all the Final Destinations were87900:49:22.079 --> 00:49:26.320



one of my favorites. Hereditary, Oh, that is one of88000:49:26.400 --> 00:49:28.760



my absolute favorites. Hereditary was a great film.88100:49:29.199 --> 00:49:31.599



Have you seen bring Her Back, Bring Her Back?88200:49:31.639 --> 00:49:32.960



Which one is that? Is that newer?88300:49:33.440 --> 00:49:38.119



It's the Philipower Brothers that did Talk to Me? Oh yes, yeah.88400:49:38.039 --> 00:49:39.239



Like talk to Me was really good.88500:49:39.519 --> 00:49:42.639



Yeah, so that's their latest film. Oh, I have to88600:49:42.639 --> 00:49:45.199



watch I've Been It's really dope. If you like to88700:49:45.199 --> 00:49:47.159



talk to Me, it's like talk to Me times ten.88800:49:47.599 --> 00:49:50.079



Talk to Me was awesome. Yeah, yeah, that was a88900:49:50.119 --> 00:49:50.800



really good one.89000:49:51.000 --> 00:49:54.360



Do you like those kind of artsy you know they89100:49:54.360 --> 00:49:57.559



call them elevated horrors or like, I don't care, I'll89200:49:57.599 --> 00:49:59.400



watch I like the I.89300:49:59.400 --> 00:50:04.360



Like paranorm horrors okay, yeah, like the kill the serial89400:50:04.440 --> 00:50:09.400



killer horrors are not my go to picks, but like89500:50:09.599 --> 00:50:13.000



paranormal horrors is like I watch those all the time.89600:50:13.880 --> 00:50:16.880



I love that. Where do you see you know for89700:50:17.039 --> 00:50:19.800



your next film? For instance, is that in the horror genre?89800:50:21.079 --> 00:50:24.840



No, this is action and this is an action film. Yeah.89900:50:24.920 --> 00:50:28.960



Okay, so you're totally like just branching out everywhere.90000:50:29.360 --> 00:50:32.639



Yeah, yeah, this this one's awesome. Like I'm excited for90100:50:32.679 --> 00:50:33.159



this one.90200:50:33.880 --> 00:50:37.360



What do you hope for people to take from Skillhouse?90300:50:39.239 --> 00:50:44.119



Just the underlying message of stay grounded, don't do things90400:50:44.119 --> 00:50:47.960



for views like that, that that whole thing like just90500:50:48.039 --> 00:50:53.079



don't don't go out and do stupid things or not90600:50:53.199 --> 00:50:55.440



morally correct things for views.90700:50:56.000 --> 00:50:58.639



Okay, And I got on my way here. I was90800:50:58.960 --> 00:51:01.159



stuck in behind an accident and I got there was90900:51:01.199 --> 00:51:03.559



a notification on my news that said you have challenged91000:51:03.599 --> 00:51:06.960



fifty cent to a boxing match or something. Is that truth?91100:51:07.000 --> 00:51:11.559



That was a joke that TMZ asked. TMZ said, uh,91200:51:12.039 --> 00:51:14.159



you're doing the Baron uncle thing. That's awesome. I'm like,91300:51:14.239 --> 00:51:17.440



when's your next fight? And I basically answered. I was like, oh, yeah,91400:51:17.440 --> 00:51:19.400



I have a fight coming up, actually really soon. And91500:51:19.440 --> 00:51:22.679



they go, really, it's awesome. Can we know? And I91600:51:22.719 --> 00:51:27.079



said fifty because of the whole lawsuit thing, yeah yeah,91700:51:27.159 --> 00:51:28.880



I thought what I mean, I just gave him clickbait.91800:51:28.920 --> 00:51:31.440



I was just like, yeah, here's your clickbait. I love91900:51:31.440 --> 00:51:33.239



that because it worked for me. And since I was92000:51:33.519 --> 00:51:37.000



like driving, I was like, okay, I can't click THROUGHCHL says,92100:51:37.000 --> 00:51:39.960



this's Leonard Olman. Yeah exactly so, and then I came92200:51:40.039 --> 00:51:41.760



right here, so I'm like, okay, I'll just ask him92300:51:41.760 --> 00:51:45.760



about it. Fifty cent. I interviewed him one time for92400:51:46.159 --> 00:51:49.960



the one of the power shows, and he I love92500:51:50.039 --> 00:51:52.679



him so much, and I was so nervous meeting him,92600:51:52.719 --> 00:51:56.679



and I said, because the power series that we were92700:51:56.719 --> 00:51:59.639



talking about was about kind of loosely based on fifties92800:51:59.719 --> 00:52:02.400



life when he was younger. So I said something like92900:52:02.480 --> 00:52:05.760



so like cringey, Like I was like, so, this is93000:52:05.840 --> 00:52:07.559



kind of a story about when you were twenty five93100:52:07.639 --> 00:52:10.280



cent and like then I'm like, wait, why did I93200:52:10.320 --> 00:52:14.519



say that? And he like stopped like this, and then93300:52:14.679 --> 00:52:17.920



it felt like it was forty eight minutes before he93400:52:18.079 --> 00:52:22.280



was like and then started cracking up. And then then93500:52:22.400 --> 00:52:24.239



I started cracking up because I was like, oh my god,93600:52:24.239 --> 00:52:25.159



I thought I was gonna.93700:52:24.920 --> 00:52:26.880



Get beat up or something that went through. Now he was.93800:52:27.000 --> 00:52:29.119



He was really cool on set when we were when93900:52:29.159 --> 00:52:31.880



we were filming this this film, he was extremely cool.94000:52:31.920 --> 00:52:35.000



I don't know what happened with that whole lawsuit thing.94100:52:35.079 --> 00:52:40.400



I know he he lost a few days ago, but yeah, yeah,94200:52:40.400 --> 00:52:42.199



I don't I don't know what that whole thing was about.94300:52:42.639 --> 00:52:45.000



So he was involved in the production.94400:52:45.280 --> 00:52:45.880



Yes, he was.94500:52:45.920 --> 00:52:46.159



He was.94600:52:47.039 --> 00:52:48.719



He was a huge involvement.94700:52:49.639 --> 00:52:51.880



Which is awesome because a lot of times, you know,94800:52:51.719 --> 00:52:54.880



you you see films that have a producer credit from94900:52:55.039 --> 00:52:57.760



for some from somebody, and you know, they never went95000:52:57.800 --> 00:52:58.920



to set or anything.95100:52:58.960 --> 00:53:01.360



I mean, yeah, no, he he was involved. He was95200:53:01.400 --> 00:53:05.000



in a ton of scenes like he was in there.95300:53:06.199 --> 00:53:08.880



I love that, Bro, Thank you so much for speaking95400:53:08.880 --> 00:53:11.599



with me. Skillhouse is awesome. I can't wait for everybody95500:53:11.639 --> 00:53:15.239



to see it. As I yeah, of course, I'm a95600:53:15.280 --> 00:53:17.920



big as I said, I'm a big horror buff and95700:53:18.199 --> 00:53:21.800



I don't care if something was made with twelve dollars camera.95800:53:22.199 --> 00:53:24.199



If it's horror, I'm in and this one just I95900:53:24.639 --> 00:53:27.679



love like the message behind it, you know what I mean. Yeah, Like,96000:53:27.719 --> 00:53:30.679



it's it's cool that it that it delves into influencer96100:53:30.760 --> 00:53:34.400



culture and plays with our kind of fears on the96200:53:34.480 --> 00:53:38.920



you know sometimes the seediness behind people and that sort96300:53:38.920 --> 00:53:40.639



of thing. So I'm hyped.96400:53:41.320 --> 00:53:44.159



Yep, July eleventh, it's gonna be insane awesome.96500:53:44.280 --> 00:53:46.599



Bryce, Thank you so much, brother, I really appreciate it.96600:53:46.920 --> 00:53:47.280



Thank you.96700:53:49.920 --> 00:53:57.360



Bryce Hall, actor, creator, Boxer and now horror movie anti Hero.96800:53:57.639 --> 00:53:59.880



You can watch him and maybe root for him or96900:54:00.000 --> 00:54:05.320



maybe not in Skillhouse, which is out in theaters right now.97000:54:05.639 --> 00:54:08.280



And with that, that wraps up this episode of Pop97100:54:08.320 --> 00:54:15.320



Culture Weekly. We had influencers, icons, trauma, horror, Stephen King97200:54:16.039 --> 00:54:20.239



basically a group therapy session with much better lighting. Don't97300:54:20.239 --> 00:54:24.159



forget to subscribe and review. Please leave me a five97400:54:24.199 --> 00:54:26.840



star review if that's what you feel, or not unless97500:54:26.840 --> 00:54:28.920



you're still mad about that one thing I said in97600:54:28.960 --> 00:54:33.039



twenty twenty one. All right, see your next episode. I97700:54:33.119 --> 00:54:34.440



love you well.97800:54:34.519 --> 00:54:37.639



Thank you for listening to pop Culture Weekly. You're all97900:54:37.679 --> 00:54:48.719



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