Sept. 5, 2025

Bailey Zimmerman; Vera Farmiga & Patrick Wilson (The Conjuring: Last Rites)

Bailey Zimmerman; Vera Farmiga & Patrick Wilson (The Conjuring: Last Rites)

In this episode of http://podcast.popcultureweekly.com, we dive deep into the worlds of horror cinema and country music as Bailey Zimmerman sits down for a retrospective of his meteoric career from his humble beginnings to his current #1 hit. And The...

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In this episode of Pop Culture Weekly with Kyle McMahon, we dive deep into the worlds of horror cinema and country music as Bailey Zimmerman sits down for a retrospective of his meteoric career from his humble beginnings to his current #1 hit. And The Conjuring: Last Rites stars Patrick Wilson & Vera Farmiga discuss the chilling final chapter in The Conjuring Universe. And horror legend and franchise creator James Wan joins, along with director Michael Chavez.

First, we explore the emotional depth of "The Conjuring: Last Rites" with director Michael Chavez. Chavez discusses his inspiration from films like "Logan" to create a poignant farewell to the beloved horror franchise, emphasizing themes of maternal bonds and the symbolic use of mirrors. We also gain insights from horror legend James Wan, who reflects on the journey of the Conjuring universe and hints at if there is the potential for future stories.

Next, we delve into the cinematic chemistry of Ed and Lorraine Warren, brought to life by actors Vera Farmiga and Patrick Wilson. They share their experiences of portraying these iconic characters and the emotional journey of concluding this chapter in the franchise.

Switching gears, country music sensation Bailey Zimmerman shares his inspiring journey from construction work to the top of the country music charts. He opens up about his viral TikTok moment, the leap of faith that led to his music career, and the pivotal support from his mother. Zimmerman also discusses the thrill of unexpected collaborations with artists like Luke Combs, The Kid Laroi, and Diplo, and the excitement of live performances influenced by his life experiences and artists like Morgan Wallen.

Join us as we explore these captivating stories of creativity, perseverance, and the transformative power of art in both film and music.

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In this episode of pop Culture Weekly, I talk with

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the cast and crew of The Conjuring Last Rights, and

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I sit down for a long talk with the amazing

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Balley Zimmerman. Let's go. Welcome to pop Culture Weekly with

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Kyle McMahon from iHeartRadio.

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Your pop culture news, views, reviews and celebrity interviews on all.

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The movies, TV, music and pop culture u Crabe Weekly.

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Here's Kyle McMahon.

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Nick, No, no, no, Nick.

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What's up my pop culture people, It's your boy, Kyle

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McMahon And Welcome to pop Culture Weekly with Kyle McMahon,

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the show where I get to talk with some of

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the biggest names in entertainment while you sit and relax

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and judge me for fangirling too hard. Today's episode, I'm

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stoked because it's really stacked. We're talking about The Conjuring

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Last Rights, the terrifying, demon filled jump scare franchise that

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always keeps me coming back even though I sleep with

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the lights on for like a week after. I've got

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director Michael Chavez, franchise mastermind and horror legend James Wand

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and the ultimate ghost busting power couple Patrick Wilson and

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Vera Farmiga. And then we switched gears in a big

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way with country superstar Bailey Zimmerman, who currently has the

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number one song in country music with Backup Plan featuring

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Luke Combs. This man and I talked for almost an hour,

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his life, his career, and yes, that live incident. So

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grab your popcorn or your holy water, because here we go. First, up,

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the man and the director's share for the Conjuring Last Rites,

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Michael Chavez. He is the brave soul responsible for actually

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wrangling demons and ghosts and actors who have to scream

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on c Honestly, directing a conjuring movie sounds like my

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personal nightmare, but also kind of awesome anyway. Michael is

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no stranger to the Conjuring franchise. He directed The Curse

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of La Larona, the Conjuring, The Devil Made Me do It,

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the Nun too, and now, of course the Conjuring Last Rights.

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All right here he is Michael Chavez. Thank you so much,

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Michael for speaking with me. I really appreciate it. I

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love Last Rights. I mean, I love the whole franchise,

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but Last Rights is such a beautiful full circle moment

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for the franchise. Did you feel that going into you know,

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to working on this, like this is kind of heavy

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for fans of you know, nearly what a decade and

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a half. Totally.

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I thanks for saying that. I honestly, the full Circle

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thing is something I really wanted to get. It was

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something that it was like when we would test it

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with audiences, they would say that, and I was like,

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oh my god, thank god, who we landed and we

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landed the plane. It was you know, kind of a great, amazing,

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big responsibility of just you know, this is a series

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that so many people love, and you know, telling a

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final chapter is is great opportunity and also like really challenging.

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And I honestly with this, like one of the big

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references that I would use as we were developing it

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is is Logan.

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I you know, because.

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you know movies, there's so many kind of great references

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and you know, is it like an endgame sort of

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thing where we throw all the demons at them?

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Or what do we do?

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And what I loved about Logan and that kind of

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became the North Stars is it didn't have that. It

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wasn't like they're throwing Sabertooth and Magneto in it's like

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they're they're telling an emotional story and then it's going

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to bring us to the to the finish line. And

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you know, people love the Warrens so much that I

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think it was just important to really bring their story

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and their family story.

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To a c and it was beautifully done. There was

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a lot of mirrors, both kind of you know, prominently

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present and more subtly was that obviously everything you've done

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is intentional, but what was the representation behind that?

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You know that the mirror is actually within the film,

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real mirror, and I would encourage fans to stay to

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the very end after the credits. There's like, it's not

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a tease for another movie, but there is something that

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is just this kind of great find that we wanted

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to put in in the film. Obviously, there's a lot

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of you know, mirroring within the story. It's like, you know,

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mirroring the past and the present, and you know Lorraine

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as a young woman to Lorraine as she is now

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in the present, or the president of the story, and

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then also between just mother and daughter and just how

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our children are reflections of ourselves. And I think that

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that was the Richard and Ian are our writers. They

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they did a pass write after Dave Leslie Johnson. They're

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the ones who actually introduced the idea of the mirror,

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and I just thought it was such a a smart

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addition and it just I think complimented the whole mother

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daughter story so beautifully.

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I've got to ask you, you did the Curse of

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La Larona? Is that it can we get definitively? Is

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that in the Conjuring Universe or not?

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That's what's so funny, you know, that is such like

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you know, the real technically it is it has kind

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of become adopted. It's the adopted child of the Conjuring Universe.

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It's technically not because Peter Saffron isn't the producer on it,

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and Peter, you know, this is Peter's baby as much

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as it is James's. And but it was when we

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made it, it was Walt to Matta, who was an

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executive at New Line, was like basically asked a favor

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to to include like a little glimpse of Annabel, which

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kind of like introduced it almost as if it was

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part of the universe. And and so then there's there's

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and you know, if you know, in respect to Peter,

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ask me, yes, it definitely is.

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Thank you. I can't wait for everybody to see the

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Conjuring last rotes. It is so awesome. And I hope

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that I get to talk to you again for I

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hope for more Conjuring somehow, some way in the future.

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Thank you, Michael, Thanks so much. I appreciate the time.

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Thank you, Michael Chevies. All right, now, if horror had

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a Mount Rushmore, James Wand's face would definitely be up there,

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right next to Freddy Jason and probably Annabel just glaring

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at us. He co created the Conjuring universe, and somehow

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he keeps finding new ways to make us jump out

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of our seats, and his resume is basically a greatest

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hits list of like modern horror. He co created It Saw, Yes,

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That Saw, which redefined the kind of you know, gore

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porn genre in the early two thousands and has kept

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it going. Then he gave us Insidious of course the Conjuring,

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and he turned a creepy porcelain doll into a household

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name with Annabelle and because he's apparently allergic to sleep.

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He also directed Aquaman and it's sequel, Aquaman and the

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Lost Kingdom. So basically, James Wan has either terrified you,

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thrilled you, or made you cheer in a movie theater,

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sometimes all three in the same year, and even in

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the same movie. Here he is James Wan. Thank you

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so much, James for joining me. I really appreciate it.

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Thanks Kyl.

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Great to be speaking with you.

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So, first of all, I'm a huge fan of your work, Malignant,

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the Conjuring Universe, Insidious Saw. I mean just love your work,

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and of course and the Conjuring franchise is one of

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my favorites of all time. Why was this chapter important

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for you to tell here?

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Well, I mean, this chapter is the final chapter, and

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so so it was one that we felt, you know,

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after more than a decade, that it was finally time

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to kind of wrap it up. Uh, you know, we've

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we've been through this, you know, on many, many movies,

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like within the Conjuring Universe. You know, we've had a

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lot of very We've been very fortunate to have a

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lot of successful movies within this universe. And uh and

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so you know, we've we felt like, you know, uh,

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you know, we want to go out.

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On a high.

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You know, we feel like now is the time.

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You know, we don't want to be going.

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Out as the movie is degrading, right, and so we

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felt like this was a good time. But yeah, needless

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to say, it's really bittersweet for all of us involved.

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best movie we can. That really justifies the franchise, and

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that is warranted and you know, worthy for the fans.

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I think, you know, as a huge fan, I think

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it does just that. Now. David Zaslav, I believe at

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one point said that this is kind of the closing

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of phase one and there may be a phase two

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with potentially a TV series or whatever. Is any of

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that still in the works.

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I mean, I guess, you know, from the studio side

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of things, everything is a possibility, you know, I guess. Yeah,

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it's interesting that we're pulling a page from the Marvel

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playbook here, right, I guess Phase one is a way

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to look at it, and so there's possibilities of phase

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two just purely from a creative standpoint, you know. The

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warrants have so many stories, so many different cases, and

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it's not crazy that they are other stories that we

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could be looking into. But I do think it's a

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bit early to be talking about any other phases. Yeah,

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for me, I just want to focus on this one

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and getting this one right and getting this one out

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there to your audiences.

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Absolutely. And you know what for me, I think has

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been so important to why these films have been so

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good is the relationship between the warrants, you know, Vira

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and Patrick and how well they do that. How key

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was that for you after doing the first film? You

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know now that you're doing potentially the last film. You know,

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did you watch that develop did you change anything based

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on their chemistry? And you know that sort of thing.

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more than anything, right that That's pretty much what I

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discovered in the first film. You know, we all knew

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collectively going into the first Conjuring because it's based on

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real characters, real events. We wanted to ground the movie

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as much as we can, right And and what I

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learned from Insidious when I meet the first Insidious film

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was that people really loved the more realistic aspect of it.

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And so what I learned from in Sylia's I parlate

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that into the conjuring and I knew that if I

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can create real people with real emotions and real issues

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and real traumas right that they're dealing with, then then

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the scars would actually play better. They'll be a lot scary, right.

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I was able to get Patrick Wilson and very for

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me to come play with me on the first movie.

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And then seeing how great they were together, just their

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chemistry just did the way they they they they riff

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off each other and uh, and just watching that really

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did push me as I was shooting it, because filmmaking

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is a very organic process, and so so I just started,

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you know, just like shifting and pushing things and navigetting

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things towards more about their relationship, the family dynamic and uh.

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to finish leaning into the whole family aspect everything. We

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knew that the family aspect really lends itself to the

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emotion of this wall and it was the right thing

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to do, you know, to bring in the daughter Judy

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and to bring in the Tony Sperrit character into this

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as well, and just really, you know, really play into

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all of that.

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I think you've done it masterfully. I love the film.

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I can't wait till comes out so I can talk

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to people about it. But thank you so much, James,

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I really appreciate it. Awesome Kyle, Thank you, sir, have

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a good day. Thank you, Thank you our legend James one.

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And now the first couple of ghost Hunting, Patrick Wilson

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and Vera Farmiga. These two, as Ed and Lorraine Warren,

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have really been the heart of the Conjuring movies since

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the very beginning. They are amazingly charming, They've got a

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spooky side, and they somehow make fighting demons look like

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couples therapy. Let's get into it. Patrick Wilson and Vera Farmiga. Wow.

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I love the whole franchise. But this film is so great,

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you know, I think it's such a powerful way to potentially,

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you know, close this chapter on the story. You guys

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have lived with these characters for over a decade. What

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was that like to step on, you know, set, knowing

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this maybe the final old chapter here?

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Well and not maybe it is the final chapter.

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I just hate hearing that.

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I know, but that's it. That's it, the end of

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the road for these two. And they are the ultimate team,

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aren't they. I mean, there's their bond is a testament

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to like almost two decades of love, you know, all

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served up in iconic polyester pants and skirts and weird

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ass up dues and you know, it's been a it's

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been a trip, a beautiful trip. But this one took

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the This one took a lot out of us. Man,

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it is that last time and we had the stakes

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are higher than ever on this one.

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How about for you, Patrick, did you sense that weight

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you know, going for this one?

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I think because the you know, I think in order

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to kind of feel the weight of something, you have

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to be disconnected as an actor and be able to

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embrace it as a as a person. And that doesn't

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happen on these films because the work is so full off.

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Like so by the time we ended the film and

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you're you wish you could have that great goodbye and

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just an easy day of work and get to hug

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everybody and you have a cake or whatever and go,

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oh my god, it's over and you cry and you

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say thank you. I mean, this was like if you've

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seen the movie, the is like the climax to end

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all climaxes of a film. I mean, it's brutal. And

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we did that for what seemed like a week straight,

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and we knew because there were wind machines and everything

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else and testing that they would do later we'd probably

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come back and revisit it, which we did, so there

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was never like a proper goodbye. It was just this

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this train of emotion and raw energy kind of going

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towards the end. So we didn't really have that moment

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of feeling the weight of the series because also there's shooting,

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there's additional photography, and then there's this like we're doing now,

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and then there's the movie coming out and sitting back

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and going gosh, did it land with an audience? So

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it comes in phases.

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So we're still not done, but you know, I think

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it's probably gonna take another it'll probably take it. For me,

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it'll probably be like an like like a year and

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a half where I'll go, should I grow my cybrids

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out for to play ed?

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Like, Nope, not happen. So that's what it'll hit me.

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These films for me are very much besides about family,

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there's there's a faith versus kind of this supernatural you

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know element. Did did it change either of your belief

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in you know, supernatural or faith or affected at all?

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To me, it's a reminder of the power of love.

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Like it's I just love love, love, portraying, portraying the

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dynamic between Ed and Lorraine, and so it is about

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so much a focus on like sacrifice and resilience and

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finding strength through weakness and perseverance and commitment to each other.

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And and I I it's now I've forgotten the question.

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Faith versus yeah faith?

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Yeah, well yeah, so it's just like playing all those

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hitting those and coming back time and time again and

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saying like, oh, like what this is another opportunity to

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delve into their love, into sacrifice, and like it always

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is that that I don't know, just focusing on that

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statement of you know, fear is this like this crazy

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ass storm in our lives and love is that umbrella

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that's going to shield us from it? Right, And just

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tapping into that very simple notion and concept has been

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in It's been beautiful.

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Yeah, thank you both so much. I really love the

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film and congratulations on it. Take care. Patrick Wilson and

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Verra for Mega love Love love them, love them as

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the Warrens, and I love the Conjuring Last Rites. I mean,

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I love the whole Conjuring franchise. But I really hope

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this isn't the end of this franchise. It's too good

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to just stop, and they have so many things to do,

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and you know, Vera and Patrick are young. They could

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be doing this for another thirty years if they want.

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I have a whole guide to the Conjuring Universe. I

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put it in the I put a link in the

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show notes so you can check out my guide and

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my review of The Conjuring Last Rites, and check out

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my guide to the Conjuring Franchise universe. The Conjuring Universe franchise.

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I guess all right, we're gonna take a quick break

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to pay the bills. But when we come back, I

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sit down for nearly an hour with one of the

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biggest names in country music, Bailey Zimmerman. You don't want

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to miss this one. Stick around. I'll see in sixty

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all right, we are back, and this is one I've

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been so excited about. Bailly Zimmerman currently has the number

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one country song in America with Luke Combe's backup plan.

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It's off his brand new album, Different Night, Same Rodeo,

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which is awesome and I have a react coming to

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that for when I listened to the album the first time.

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That'll be on the YouTube channel. In any event, Bailly

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and I sat down for nearly an hour and nothing

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was off the table. We talked about his life story,

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what he'd be doing if he which and his life

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story is pretty incredible. We talked about what he'd be

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doing if he wasn't making music. That live incident that

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went viral. Bailey kept it real and it's honestly one

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of my favorite conversations I've ever had on this show.

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Here he is, Bailey Zimmerman, brow what up? How are

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you going on?

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Amazing? Dude? Are you thanks for having me?

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Thank you for coming on. I really appreciate it. I'm

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excited to talk to you.

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Yeah.

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So, I'm sorry.

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It was cool here and your story man, that's crazy.

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Yeah, yeah, it's it's wild.

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It's a weird industry, man, it is it is.

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Yeah, and then here I am now doing this so.

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God has play all of us man absolutely yeah.

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So well, first of all, bro, welcome Bailey zimmer Man.

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I really appreciate you speaking with me.

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Brother, Oh yeah, I did. Thanks for having me on

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This is.

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Sick, of course, and we're gonna talk about your new

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album different nights, saying rodeo. But I want to go

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back for a moment, if you would. You were working

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on you know, construction, pipeline things like that, and then

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you started uploading to TikTok uh was being an artist

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back then? Ever, like in your kind of life plan?

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No, man, I had never even thought about doing music

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at all. I'd always like kind of dreamed of being

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like famous and stuff. I think every kid does, I guess,

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you know, like watching Justin Bieber do it and then

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watching just all these people I've watched, you know, Kane

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Brown on Facebook type thing. Yeah, so it was like, man,

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how cool would that be if that was my life?

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But it's not.

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So I'm going to go to work today, right, So, No, man,

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it was never in the cards. I I never you know,

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I didn't come from a musical family. I didn't sing

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in church. I had never sang in my life before.

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Wow, TikTok Yeah that's incredible. And what was the moment

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that you were like, Okay, this isn't just a hobby anymore,

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like this, this is becoming something. This is something now, dude.

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It was such a weird thing for me because so

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I started on TikTok doing lifted trucks, Like I grew

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up loving lifted trucks and fast cars, and I'd always

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wanted to lift a truck. So when I turned eighteen,

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I when I went to go pipeline, I was making

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enough money to build a truck.

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So I built a truck with my family.

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My uncle Brent helped me, My brother John helped me

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build a truck, and I started posting that on TikTok.

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And that's what kind of got me a bunch of

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followers at first, was like my truck went kind of

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viral in the truck talk space, I guess, on TikTok.

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And so I started actually going around to all of

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these like truck shows all around the US, and I

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would travel in my truck and go and meet up

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with these buddies that I would, you know, get to

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know on TikTok first and then I would meet them

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in real life. And so I was just trying to

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like I was like trying to like growing a following.

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Meeting new friends in the truck scene.

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And then one night we were drinking beer around a

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campfire and I started singing, just you know.

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Buzzed up, having a great time with your buddies.

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A good song comes on, you know, and I started

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singing and they were like, man, you got a voice, dude.

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And I'm like, nah, I just you know, like what

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are you talking about? And You're like no, like your

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voice was really cool. And that kind of like inspired me,

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I guess, just a little bit.

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Like I was like, oh, that's cool. Like I've never

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had anybody tell me I've got a cool voice, you know.

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And so that's when.

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I I started just singing a little more at the campfires,

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and I had a couple more people tell me like, man,

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your voice was really cool, and that kind of got

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my brain like hmm, like what does that mean, Like my.

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I don't know.

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So I just thought it was cool that people thought

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my voice was cool. So I kind of, in secret,

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like secrecy, started singing a little bit more on my own.

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And from the time somebody told me, hey, your voice

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is cool, to the time I released my first song

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was probably like two months.

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Wow.

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So and this is why I'm like, man, I'm just

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so thankful for God man, because I really feel like

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it's my path. So when I started singing, I didn't

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post anything on TikTok yet I posted something on Snapchat

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because I thought, oh, maybe this will give me some

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girls or something. Me singing on Snapchat, right, So I

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put it up and it didn't get any girls. But

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this guy from my hometown named Gavin Lucas split up

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and was like, hey, man, I didn't know you like

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sang and I'm like, dude, I don't. I just had,

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like I tried singing the other day around a campfire.

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Somebody told me my voice was good, and I just

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put it on Snapchat. I honestly thought I was trying

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to get some girls, but what's up? And he was like, well, dude,

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I've been like secretively writing songs for like years. But

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I didn't really want to like show him anybody because

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I don't know, you know, I just have been writing.

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And I'm like, well, dude, we should get together, and

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he was like, yeah, I would love to hear you

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sing some of my songs.

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And I'm like okay.

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So then when we got together, that was about a

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month into being like, man, do I have a cool

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voice and then man. Three weeks later, two weeks later,

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me and Gavin got together, like maybe our tenth time

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getting together, and he was like, man, we should try

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to write.

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A real song. And I was like, you know what,

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I'll try it.

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Let's do it.

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And so we sat down that night and we wrote

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my first song, never Coming Home, And after.

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I wrote the first verse, and then it was like

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two am and we were going to go home, and

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he was like, hey, let's record this so we remember

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where we're at. Because, like I said, at this point,

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I had never written songs before. I never sang really before.

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I have no idea how to play guitar, I have

455
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no idea what I'm doing. And this song was just like, man,

456
00:25:12.839 --> 00:25:15.319
this is really cool, Like I really liked this song,

457
00:25:15.400 --> 00:25:17.680
and it was the first time I had ever after

458
00:25:17.720 --> 00:25:19.559
I recorded it was the first time I had ever

459
00:25:19.599 --> 00:25:23.720
heard my voice over like truck speakers, like through bluetooth, right,

460
00:25:24.160 --> 00:25:25.759
So I was trying to get hyped up, and I

461
00:25:25.799 --> 00:25:28.440
was like, man, this is pretty fire, Like I love this.

462
00:25:28.559 --> 00:25:30.519
I love this song. I've never heard my voice like this.

463
00:25:30.519 --> 00:25:31.119
This is cool.

464
00:25:31.480 --> 00:25:34.000
So I got home and I was like man, I

465
00:25:34.039 --> 00:25:35.960
think I'm gonna post this on TikTok. I had like

466
00:25:36.039 --> 00:25:39.279
seventy thousand followers at the time from the Truck Lifted

467
00:25:39.319 --> 00:25:43.000
Truck Space, and I called Gavin. I was like, hey, man,

468
00:25:43.000 --> 00:25:44.880
you care if I post this video because you're in it,

469
00:25:44.920 --> 00:25:47.440
And he was like, oh, dude, that'd be cool.

470
00:25:47.440 --> 00:25:50.599
Man post it and see if anybody likes it.

471
00:25:50.640 --> 00:25:52.640
And he's like, man, I'll make you a deal if

472
00:25:52.880 --> 00:25:56.519
it gets some views. Tomorrow, let's figure out, like when

473
00:25:56.559 --> 00:25:59.039
it gets some views, we'll figure out how to record it.

474
00:25:59.079 --> 00:26:01.759
Because we had never we thought people recorded in their

475
00:26:02.640 --> 00:26:05.559
houses right away. We thought we didn't know you could

476
00:26:05.559 --> 00:26:06.920
just go to a studio and pay them and they

477
00:26:06.920 --> 00:26:10.200
would record your songs. So get up the next morning

478
00:26:10.839 --> 00:26:15.920
and my phone is like exploding and I turn over

479
00:26:16.240 --> 00:26:18.720
and it's got like, dude, the video has like a

480
00:26:18.759 --> 00:26:21.440
million views that like in the morning it did, and

481
00:26:21.559 --> 00:26:23.920
there was like so many comments, and it was cool

482
00:26:23.920 --> 00:26:27.880
because people were like, yo, we didn't know you, saying man,

483
00:26:27.880 --> 00:26:29.960
we thought you did trucks, and I was like, I don't.

484
00:26:30.079 --> 00:26:33.759
I just I'm just here, man, But like I will

485
00:26:33.799 --> 00:26:35.240
if you guys want me to. I'm trying to, like

486
00:26:35.279 --> 00:26:37.480
I literally remember, like I'm trying to figure this out.

487
00:26:37.480 --> 00:26:39.680
I have no idea what's going on, Like I don't know.

488
00:26:40.160 --> 00:26:43.720
And from that point forward, that morning is when I

489
00:26:43.799 --> 00:26:47.359
was like, I'm gonna figure this out. Like I had

490
00:26:47.400 --> 00:26:51.039
been praying a lot about what my purpose was and

491
00:26:51.279 --> 00:26:54.640
praying for God to give me something to chase, and

492
00:26:54.839 --> 00:26:57.039
I really thought that was the truck stuff because it

493
00:26:57.079 --> 00:26:59.160
was going really well and there was brands reaching out

494
00:26:59.200 --> 00:27:01.279
and it was give me some a little bit of money,

495
00:27:01.279 --> 00:27:03.720
and it was just kind of like maybe I do this.

496
00:27:04.000 --> 00:27:06.720
And then all of a sudden, like what I was

497
00:27:06.759 --> 00:27:09.039
praying for just like kind of came to life and

498
00:27:09.079 --> 00:27:13.400
he gave me this massive opportunity of like, yo, here's

499
00:27:13.440 --> 00:27:14.039
some views.

500
00:27:14.200 --> 00:27:17.119
Go chase this. And since then I have not let up.

501
00:27:17.440 --> 00:27:20.119
It was like, yo, I'm gonna figure out, like okay,

502
00:27:20.640 --> 00:27:22.599
like to go in a little bit more death man.

503
00:27:22.720 --> 00:27:25.039
Like I remember that day.

504
00:27:25.240 --> 00:27:27.599
I looked up, okay, all right, if I got if

505
00:27:27.599 --> 00:27:31.200
I'm getting a million views on this video, how can

506
00:27:31.240 --> 00:27:33.400
I turn that into like streams and how can I

507
00:27:33.400 --> 00:27:35.759
get people to listen to this song? And I was like, okay,

508
00:27:35.759 --> 00:27:38.720
what is streaming? How much is so a million streams?

509
00:27:38.720 --> 00:27:41.279
At that time was seven thousand dollars. I'm like, okay,

510
00:27:41.440 --> 00:27:43.240
a million views I could, I could try to get

511
00:27:43.240 --> 00:27:45.559
a million streams. And we went to the studio and

512
00:27:45.599 --> 00:27:48.720
it was thirty five hundred bucks or three thousand dollars

513
00:27:48.759 --> 00:27:50.640
to record the song. And I didn't have no money.

514
00:27:51.200 --> 00:27:53.119
So I remember that day I went back to my

515
00:27:53.200 --> 00:27:56.880
mom after after waking up quitting my job.

516
00:27:57.400 --> 00:27:58.480
I went to Gavin's.

517
00:27:58.920 --> 00:28:02.480
We started trying to figure out what is going on,

518
00:28:02.599 --> 00:28:04.559
and we found a recording studio that would do it.

519
00:28:05.039 --> 00:28:08.720
And I went to my mom and I was like, Okay,

520
00:28:08.839 --> 00:28:10.839
this is gonna be a shock, but I quit my

521
00:28:10.960 --> 00:28:13.839
job and I'm gonna do music.

522
00:28:13.920 --> 00:28:15.880
And she was like music, what are you talking about?

523
00:28:15.920 --> 00:28:17.160
And I'm like, look at this video.

524
00:28:17.200 --> 00:28:18.759
And I showed her the video and it was like,

525
00:28:18.960 --> 00:28:21.039
this was a song I wrote, like I wrote this

526
00:28:21.119 --> 00:28:22.920
with Gavin, like we wrote this last night, and it

527
00:28:22.960 --> 00:28:26.359
got like almost two million views already, and she was

528
00:28:26.400 --> 00:28:28.319
like okay, and I was like, and I need fifteen

529
00:28:28.359 --> 00:28:30.559
hundred bucks to record this song. And at the time,

530
00:28:30.880 --> 00:28:34.279
we didn't have any money. Like we grew up, you know,

531
00:28:34.440 --> 00:28:37.519
just like everybody else in the world, and so we

532
00:28:37.559 --> 00:28:39.759
didn't have any money, but she scraped together fifty hundred

533
00:28:39.799 --> 00:28:41.799
bucks and I was like, Mom, if you can give

534
00:28:41.799 --> 00:28:44.559
me fifteen hundred dollars to go record this song and

535
00:28:44.680 --> 00:28:47.359
I get a million streams, that's seven thousand. I can

536
00:28:47.400 --> 00:28:50.160
pay you back double if you just help me do

537
00:28:50.240 --> 00:28:51.079
this because I really.

538
00:28:50.960 --> 00:28:51.599
Want to chase this.

539
00:28:51.759 --> 00:28:54.720
And you know, it's crazy to look back now on

540
00:28:54.799 --> 00:28:58.160
all that because it's like, dang, all this stuff happened,

541
00:28:58.319 --> 00:29:02.480
and my I'm investing fifteen hundred into me and like,

542
00:29:03.079 --> 00:29:05.960
just that part of life was so much fun because

543
00:29:06.559 --> 00:29:09.440
it was like that moment where I was like, I'm

544
00:29:09.480 --> 00:29:12.039
gonna chase this and there's nobody gonna change my mind.

545
00:29:12.400 --> 00:29:14.559
I'm not doing anything else. I'm gonna do this.

546
00:29:14.880 --> 00:29:16.240
Yeah, that's beautiful.

547
00:29:16.599 --> 00:29:17.880
It was a little different, man.

548
00:29:18.079 --> 00:29:20.720
It was like wake up one day, Oh my gosh,

549
00:29:20.799 --> 00:29:23.319
everybody loves my song. I'm gonna try to record it.

550
00:29:23.359 --> 00:29:25.240
And now dude, here we are. We got a freaking

551
00:29:25.559 --> 00:29:29.039
another number one. It's like, it's so crazy, man, Yeah,

552
00:29:29.079 --> 00:29:32.640
it's it's that. That was the craziest ride cause you're

553
00:29:32.720 --> 00:29:36.720
just like you're off like faith. You're like, I'm quitting

554
00:29:36.720 --> 00:29:39.000
this job that pays me really good, and I'm gonna

555
00:29:39.039 --> 00:29:41.119
go chase something that I feel like God's telling me

556
00:29:41.160 --> 00:29:41.400
to do.

557
00:29:41.480 --> 00:29:43.759
And man, I'm so glad I listened, you know.

558
00:29:43.799 --> 00:29:48.319
But yeah, that was the moment that I was like, yo,

559
00:29:48.759 --> 00:29:50.920
I only started this a month ago, two months ago,

560
00:29:50.920 --> 00:29:51.559
three months ago.

561
00:29:52.680 --> 00:29:53.640
This song's going big.

562
00:29:53.640 --> 00:29:57.119
I'm quitting my job like I'm doing it, like I like,

563
00:29:57.640 --> 00:30:01.039
if He's telling me to chase anything, this is definitely it,

564
00:30:01.079 --> 00:30:01.319
you know.

565
00:30:01.599 --> 00:30:03.440
Yeah, he had a different plan for you, for sure

566
00:30:03.480 --> 00:30:04.519
than you have for yourself.

567
00:30:05.039 --> 00:30:05.599
Yeah.

568
00:30:05.799 --> 00:30:11.519
If you you know, alternate timeline, multiverse, if you hadn't

569
00:30:11.599 --> 00:30:13.640
stepped out on your faith there, where do you think

570
00:30:13.680 --> 00:30:14.400
you would be today?

571
00:30:15.480 --> 00:30:15.599
Uh?

572
00:30:17.759 --> 00:30:21.240
Only God knows, truly. I have no idea because at

573
00:30:21.240 --> 00:30:25.039
that time, man, I was I didn't like my job

574
00:30:25.079 --> 00:30:28.680
that I had because it was so scattered. It was like, oh,

575
00:30:28.720 --> 00:30:31.119
you would have work like these months, and then you

576
00:30:31.160 --> 00:30:34.119
wouldn't have worked these months, but then sometimes you would

577
00:30:34.160 --> 00:30:38.599
have work like it was just too not like it

578
00:30:38.880 --> 00:30:41.640
just like wasn't enough, I guess. And I didn't really

579
00:30:41.680 --> 00:30:45.480
like the job anyways. And I so like at the

580
00:30:45.519 --> 00:30:48.519
time before I started music, I was like behind on

581
00:30:48.640 --> 00:30:54.079
my truck payment, I had no money. My job wasn't

582
00:30:54.079 --> 00:30:57.160
really existing anymore at the time. So I was kind

583
00:30:57.160 --> 00:31:00.519
of like, God, I don't know what to do, you know.

584
00:31:00.599 --> 00:31:02.559
I thought I was chasing the right thing, and I

585
00:31:02.599 --> 00:31:04.119
thought this is what I was gonna do, But I

586
00:31:04.160 --> 00:31:06.200
don't know what to do, and I'm giving it to you, Like,

587
00:31:06.720 --> 00:31:10.720
give me something to chase, give me something to anything,

588
00:31:11.000 --> 00:31:13.680
you know. So I was I was really in a

589
00:31:13.720 --> 00:31:18.599
bad spot before music, so like, yeah, God knows where

590
00:31:18.640 --> 00:31:19.160
i'd be there.

591
00:31:19.599 --> 00:31:22.039
Yeah, now, a lot of people, you know, you have

592
00:31:22.279 --> 00:31:27.000
had such a meteoric rise in a relatively short amount

593
00:31:27.039 --> 00:31:30.240
of time. Do you ever feel that people may underestimate

594
00:31:30.279 --> 00:31:32.400
that there still was a struggle and all that there

595
00:31:32.440 --> 00:31:36.240
still was a hustle and you know, hard times that

596
00:31:36.279 --> 00:31:39.079
you had to go through. Do you ever feel that

597
00:31:39.119 --> 00:31:41.119
people underestimate that aspect of it.

598
00:31:42.039 --> 00:31:46.799
M you know, it's as much hard work as this

599
00:31:47.240 --> 00:31:48.799
is and has been, and.

600
00:31:50.640 --> 00:31:53.359
Like you said, there is a grind to it. You know.

601
00:31:53.599 --> 00:31:55.680
I have had to grind every single day for the

602
00:31:55.759 --> 00:31:57.720
last five years since I had that opportunity.

603
00:31:58.000 --> 00:32:00.839
I have not slept. I'm kind of working.

604
00:32:01.839 --> 00:32:05.680
But at the same time, I'm so blessed and I'm

605
00:32:05.759 --> 00:32:09.880
so fortunate to have a dream to chase have opportunity

606
00:32:09.920 --> 00:32:14.480
every single day. It's just like, I know that people

607
00:32:14.480 --> 00:32:17.400
would die and kill to be in my position. And

608
00:32:17.960 --> 00:32:21.240
that's where I'm like, if you underestimate it, that's okay,

609
00:32:21.359 --> 00:32:23.319
because I'm so blessed that I'm not.

610
00:32:23.680 --> 00:32:24.119
I don't.

611
00:32:24.240 --> 00:32:28.240
I don't care if you think I work harder, don't

612
00:32:28.480 --> 00:32:33.200
because I'm like, dude, I'm so blessed that I there

613
00:32:33.279 --> 00:32:36.880
is a grind, but I know what the real grind is.

614
00:32:37.480 --> 00:32:41.559
The real grind is, you know, digging ditches and setting

615
00:32:41.599 --> 00:32:45.200
cones out for construction and going and working, you know,

616
00:32:45.279 --> 00:32:48.720
twenty hours straight and not like that is true, and

617
00:32:48.839 --> 00:32:50.119
doing it when you hate it.

618
00:32:50.240 --> 00:32:50.519
Right.

619
00:32:50.720 --> 00:32:54.000
So I had a job that I hated and I

620
00:32:54.160 --> 00:32:57.599
was grinding, working my ass off every single day and

621
00:32:57.680 --> 00:33:00.559
the heat and it just so now every single day

622
00:33:00.599 --> 00:33:02.079
I wake up, dude, and I get to go into

623
00:33:02.079 --> 00:33:05.680
an air conditioned room and write songs and get to

624
00:33:05.720 --> 00:33:06.200
do what I do.

625
00:33:06.240 --> 00:33:08.359
I'm like, yo, I'm blessed. Man.

626
00:33:08.480 --> 00:33:11.279
So there is a grind, but I know there's people

627
00:33:11.279 --> 00:33:13.720
out there that are working ten times harder than me

628
00:33:13.759 --> 00:33:14.200
every day.

629
00:33:14.279 --> 00:33:17.200
So it's like, hey, I'm blessed. I'm grateful just to

630
00:33:17.200 --> 00:33:17.519
be here.

631
00:33:17.920 --> 00:33:21.920
Yeah, I love that attitude and speaking of writing, you know,

632
00:33:22.400 --> 00:33:25.000
so I was telling your manager before we started that

633
00:33:25.599 --> 00:33:30.200
I'm not a giant fan of country and you I saw,

634
00:33:30.480 --> 00:33:32.799
you know, one of your videos on Insta or TikTok

635
00:33:32.920 --> 00:33:36.799
or something early on, and I was like, what who

636
00:33:36.960 --> 00:33:41.160
is this? Like his voice is is incredible? And then

637
00:33:41.240 --> 00:33:44.680
when Religiously the album came out Religiously the song, I

638
00:33:44.759 --> 00:33:49.039
was like, oh okay, and I was hooked from then

639
00:33:49.079 --> 00:33:53.759
on out. You know, I also your voice, your showmanship,

640
00:33:53.799 --> 00:33:56.440
the whole package. I just you know, fell in love

641
00:33:56.519 --> 00:33:59.119
with with that and the rawness that you have. You

642
00:33:59.160 --> 00:34:03.799
know that you're you are humble, and you are acknowledging

643
00:34:04.000 --> 00:34:07.240
of of where you came from and and you know,

644
00:34:07.559 --> 00:34:11.679
and I just love all of that. Thanks, of course,

645
00:34:11.880 --> 00:34:14.400
thank you for sharing, you know, for sharing that and

646
00:34:14.400 --> 00:34:18.079
and sharing your vulnerability, which was is my question is,

647
00:34:18.440 --> 00:34:21.199
you know, as you've been writing, was there ever a

648
00:34:21.320 --> 00:34:24.360
time you know, you you obviously talk about real life

649
00:34:24.400 --> 00:34:28.239
and heartbreak and all. Is there ever something so far

650
00:34:28.480 --> 00:34:31.440
that you've been like that's a little too vulnerable for me,

651
00:34:32.079 --> 00:34:36.239
you know, or that we've ended up hurting hearing, or

652
00:34:36.239 --> 00:34:39.119
that we've ended up not hearing, like has there been

653
00:34:39.159 --> 00:34:43.039
that for you in this process, No, and that.

654
00:34:43.239 --> 00:34:49.039
You know it's so it's music has always been vulnerability.

655
00:34:49.159 --> 00:34:52.559
That's what music is to me, like, and that's what

656
00:34:52.679 --> 00:34:56.239
it's so fun is I've always been such a deep person,

657
00:34:56.360 --> 00:34:59.559
but nobody ever wants to talk deep. So when I

658
00:34:59.599 --> 00:35:02.400
got into music and everybody always wants to talk so

659
00:35:02.519 --> 00:35:05.400
deep about things and write all these really vulnerable things,

660
00:35:05.440 --> 00:35:08.159
that's like, I just I'm such an open book that

661
00:35:08.239 --> 00:35:10.960
I love it. Like I'm the quickest person to just

662
00:35:11.039 --> 00:35:13.119
meet you and tell you exactly what I got going

663
00:35:13.119 --> 00:35:17.880
on in life, like and that's where it's just I

664
00:35:17.960 --> 00:35:20.360
get it. Some artists and some writers are like, oh,

665
00:35:20.440 --> 00:35:22.119
I don't know if I could tell people that, but

666
00:35:22.159 --> 00:35:24.920
I'm like getting it off my chest has always been

667
00:35:24.920 --> 00:35:27.920
the best for me. So that's how it started. When

668
00:35:27.920 --> 00:35:30.719
I started writing music, was I was just I say

669
00:35:30.760 --> 00:35:32.079
it in a lot A lot of a lot of

670
00:35:32.079 --> 00:35:38.480
the shows vulnerability and like being vulnerable and like therapeutic

671
00:35:38.559 --> 00:35:42.039
is writing to me, Like when I was sitting there

672
00:35:42.079 --> 00:35:44.360
and like trying to write that my first song, I'll

673
00:35:44.360 --> 00:35:46.599
never forget it. I just started writing from what I

674
00:35:46.639 --> 00:35:50.239
had been through, things that had happened. That was really

675
00:35:50.320 --> 00:35:54.159
recent back then, and that's what I've always done is

676
00:35:54.239 --> 00:35:57.639
just try to be like so open and treat it

677
00:35:57.719 --> 00:35:58.280
like therapy.

678
00:35:58.639 --> 00:35:58.920
Guys.

679
00:35:59.000 --> 00:36:03.039
Then I write this song and I'm it's like, man,

680
00:36:03.679 --> 00:36:07.320
I get paid to talk about my problems in a

681
00:36:07.440 --> 00:36:10.039
song and write about my problems, and then it gets

682
00:36:10.039 --> 00:36:12.320
to go and help so many other people that are

683
00:36:12.360 --> 00:36:13.400
going through the same thing.

684
00:36:14.039 --> 00:36:16.079
So I think it goes back to like, man, I'm just.

685
00:36:17.679 --> 00:36:20.440
Like, it's like God's plan for me, man, because I

686
00:36:20.519 --> 00:36:24.920
love I love talking about my problems and people love

687
00:36:24.960 --> 00:36:27.079
hearing about it because it feels so relatable, I guess

688
00:36:27.199 --> 00:36:30.800
or they can just like they heal from it. So nah, man,

689
00:36:30.960 --> 00:36:33.760
I kind of put everything out there. And I really

690
00:36:33.840 --> 00:36:37.400
think that's that was my motto in the beginning on

691
00:36:37.519 --> 00:36:40.960
social media writing songs. Everything was like be all out there,

692
00:36:41.360 --> 00:36:44.440
be exactly who you are, and never hold anything back

693
00:36:44.480 --> 00:36:47.079
because that was an opportunity if you hold it back,

694
00:36:47.119 --> 00:36:50.360
that was an opportunity for somebody to relate to what

695
00:36:50.400 --> 00:36:52.280
you're going through, what you've been through. And it's like,

696
00:36:53.360 --> 00:36:57.199
that's just the motto for me. So it's been awesome

697
00:36:57.280 --> 00:36:59.679
being so vulnerable and so being able to just throw

698
00:36:59.679 --> 00:37:03.360
everything out there. Because like, yeah, it's good life, right,

699
00:37:03.400 --> 00:37:05.239
It's like absolutely therapy.

700
00:37:05.519 --> 00:37:08.880
And I imagine it's freeing, right, like because then you

701
00:37:08.880 --> 00:37:12.599
don't have to worry about you know, I can't expose this,

702
00:37:12.920 --> 00:37:14.119
You've already exposed it all.

703
00:37:14.559 --> 00:37:16.559
Yeah, oh yeah, I'm out there. Man.

704
00:37:17.400 --> 00:37:21.159
Oh yeah, what has been you know, you've been under

705
00:37:21.239 --> 00:37:24.519
this microscope obviously for the last four five years. What

706
00:37:24.639 --> 00:37:28.960
has been the hardest aspect for you to adjust to?

707
00:37:29.480 --> 00:37:32.079
You know, because you went from one life to a

708
00:37:32.159 --> 00:37:34.679
whole different life.

709
00:37:34.840 --> 00:37:40.920
Man, I'm still the same me that started. I'm still

710
00:37:40.960 --> 00:37:45.559
the same twenty year old. But I would say navigate

711
00:37:45.639 --> 00:37:47.159
I had. I would say I just had to like

712
00:37:47.199 --> 00:37:50.440
grow up quicker and like I call it getting my

713
00:37:50.480 --> 00:37:54.199
shit together quicker to where I just I feel like

714
00:37:54.599 --> 00:37:58.039
because I was so like, because there is a lot

715
00:37:58.079 --> 00:38:02.199
of people watching me, I guess I was like, hey, man,

716
00:38:02.480 --> 00:38:05.199
you're gonna have to have the self awareness to not

717
00:38:05.960 --> 00:38:09.679
go out and make the mistakes that others have. You're

718
00:38:09.679 --> 00:38:11.519
gonna have to really learn from that before you do them.

719
00:38:11.519 --> 00:38:15.360
And I've made my fair share of mistakes. But as

720
00:38:15.400 --> 00:38:19.719
far as like touring and girls touring and girls do

721
00:38:19.840 --> 00:38:22.239
not mix, I can't you know that just gets you

722
00:38:22.280 --> 00:38:24.000
in trouble. I had to like really learn that, and

723
00:38:24.440 --> 00:38:27.599
you know, any any other I feel like any other

724
00:38:28.960 --> 00:38:31.360
man twenty year old.

725
00:38:31.159 --> 00:38:33.159
That you put on a tour with Morgan Wallen.

726
00:38:34.480 --> 00:38:37.360
It was crazy out there, you know, and like, you know,

727
00:38:37.519 --> 00:38:40.039
so I would say, like that aspect of it, you know,

728
00:38:40.119 --> 00:38:44.039
learning like, hey, man, you can't, like don't the temptation

729
00:38:44.320 --> 00:38:47.719
was crazy. So like it was like the temptation of

730
00:38:47.840 --> 00:38:50.440
drinking too much, the temptation of going out with girls,

731
00:38:50.440 --> 00:38:51.960
the temptation of just.

732
00:38:52.199 --> 00:38:54.639
Not being who I really am.

733
00:38:55.280 --> 00:38:58.639
That was like that was like a weird thing to

734
00:38:58.719 --> 00:39:01.320
go through and like, Okay, I'm gonna have to figure

735
00:39:01.320 --> 00:39:04.000
out how to like act like I've already made the

736
00:39:04.039 --> 00:39:08.239
mistake and I've learned, like but I haven't. But so yeah,

737
00:39:08.280 --> 00:39:11.679
I would say that was like, man, I went from

738
00:39:11.679 --> 00:39:14.159
nobody watching me and I was still a great person,

739
00:39:14.199 --> 00:39:16.159
but I was just like any other sixteen year old.

740
00:39:16.159 --> 00:39:18.599
I was out there drinking beer and hooking girls and

741
00:39:19.079 --> 00:39:22.400
you know, same thing, just like anybody else. But I

742
00:39:22.400 --> 00:39:25.519
guess not everybody else, but you know where I come from,

743
00:39:25.559 --> 00:39:29.760
that's the thing I guess. So growing up really quick,

744
00:39:29.920 --> 00:39:33.199
that was like, Okay, you had your fun, dude, but

745
00:39:33.239 --> 00:39:34.920
now you have an opportunity and you can't.

746
00:39:34.760 --> 00:39:37.239
Mess it up and good luck.

747
00:39:37.639 --> 00:39:41.840
Yeah, soh yeah, growing up figuring it out really quick.

748
00:39:42.000 --> 00:39:44.239
We're gonna take a quick break to pay the bills

749
00:39:44.280 --> 00:39:48.000
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750
00:39:48.039 --> 00:39:56.599
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751
00:39:56.599 --> 00:40:02.639
for supporting our sponsors and the show. Let's go. Let's go. Well,

752
00:40:02.679 --> 00:40:04.760
And you know, one thing that I've learned from talking

753
00:40:04.800 --> 00:40:07.480
to so many people like yourself at a high level

754
00:40:07.679 --> 00:40:12.400
is you really have to know who you are because

755
00:40:12.440 --> 00:40:15.760
the temptation is so strong in so many different directions

756
00:40:15.760 --> 00:40:18.199
and you have access to pretty much anything you want

757
00:40:18.480 --> 00:40:22.199
at any time, that if you're not truly in tune

758
00:40:22.239 --> 00:40:25.159
with who you are, you can get lost really quick,

759
00:40:25.400 --> 00:40:25.599
you know.

760
00:40:25.840 --> 00:40:28.400
Oh yeah, yeah, dude. And I would even say, I'm

761
00:40:28.679 --> 00:40:31.119
I'm definitely not perfect. I got lost along the way

762
00:40:31.159 --> 00:40:33.199
the last couple of years. I've definitely had some like

763
00:40:33.840 --> 00:40:35.119
ups and downs and stuff.

764
00:40:35.559 --> 00:40:38.400
That's life. You're gonna have that you're gonna learn, gonna grow.

765
00:40:39.920 --> 00:40:43.599
But exactly what you just said is like man being

766
00:40:43.679 --> 00:40:46.199
able to drink so much and have so much fun

767
00:40:46.239 --> 00:40:48.639
and nobody really cares and it's kind of part of

768
00:40:48.639 --> 00:40:51.840
the job. Everybody's just like having so much fun and

769
00:40:51.880 --> 00:40:55.119
that can get carried away really quick. And I had

770
00:40:55.119 --> 00:40:58.559
to learn that, like, hey, whoa, you got to chill out, man,

771
00:40:58.599 --> 00:41:02.599
you can't be doing this with that. So I mean, definitely,

772
00:41:03.719 --> 00:41:05.400
you got to know who you are for sure. And

773
00:41:05.440 --> 00:41:08.400
that's where I think I'm at now, is like I'm

774
00:41:08.400 --> 00:41:13.639
totally grounded again and I'm like, Okay, I'm ready.

775
00:41:13.800 --> 00:41:15.880
I'm ready to write more songs. I'm ready.

776
00:41:15.880 --> 00:41:18.559
I've actually experienced so much the last two or three years,

777
00:41:18.960 --> 00:41:20.360
you know, I just put out this album, but I'm

778
00:41:20.400 --> 00:41:22.880
ready to write songs again. And I'm like, I'm back

779
00:41:22.920 --> 00:41:25.000
to who I truly, truly am. I don't drink that

780
00:41:25.079 --> 00:41:28.719
much anymore. I have really got off just like partying

781
00:41:28.760 --> 00:41:33.280
in general. I'm super focused on like family and making

782
00:41:33.320 --> 00:41:35.320
sure that my people are taking care of just kind

783
00:41:35.360 --> 00:41:38.000
of like the things you should be, yeah, really focused on.

784
00:41:38.199 --> 00:41:41.880
I feel like I'm back there, and yeah, but they're

785
00:41:41.920 --> 00:41:43.559
for you know, it got a little wonky for a

786
00:41:43.599 --> 00:41:46.000
little while. We got a little roller coastry, but we

787
00:41:46.239 --> 00:41:48.440
made it. But yeah, it's crazy.

788
00:41:48.199 --> 00:41:51.800
And you were you know, if you're talking about the

789
00:41:52.559 --> 00:41:54.599
an incident that I think you're talking about. You were

790
00:41:54.679 --> 00:41:57.519
very open about that as well, you know, if you're

791
00:41:57.559 --> 00:42:02.320
talking about, you know, the incident with the old on exactly,

792
00:42:02.400 --> 00:42:06.000
you came out and did a video and was like, hey,

793
00:42:07.199 --> 00:42:07.760
messed up.

794
00:42:08.159 --> 00:42:08.920
Sorry about that.

795
00:42:09.480 --> 00:42:11.679
You know, I'm gonna do better next time. A lot

796
00:42:11.719 --> 00:42:13.960
of people would be terrified to do that, you know.

797
00:42:14.800 --> 00:42:16.280
Yeah, And I think that goes back to what we

798
00:42:16.280 --> 00:42:18.320
were talking about earlier, is just like the vulnerability of

799
00:42:18.440 --> 00:42:22.559
like I am, I am totally okay with everybody watching

800
00:42:22.599 --> 00:42:23.960
me all the time rock.

801
00:42:24.239 --> 00:42:28.039
I love it, but also understand I'm still.

802
00:42:27.760 --> 00:42:30.239
A human, Yeah, and I'm definitely gonna mess up it

803
00:42:30.320 --> 00:42:31.880
from time to time on certain things.

804
00:42:32.800 --> 00:42:33.000
You know.

805
00:42:33.519 --> 00:42:37.199
I'm twenty five, right, so I'm like, yeah, and that's

806
00:42:37.239 --> 00:42:40.280
where you know when I when I'm dude, it was bad.

807
00:42:40.320 --> 00:42:40.920
It was so bad.

808
00:42:41.360 --> 00:42:43.360
And now I can laugh about it because it's been

809
00:42:43.480 --> 00:42:47.519
long enough. But man, at you know, I the reason

810
00:42:47.559 --> 00:42:49.760
I made the video too in the first place was

811
00:42:50.360 --> 00:42:52.679
I really just felt bad for the fans that support

812
00:42:52.760 --> 00:42:55.840
me and for the people that know that's like not

813
00:42:55.920 --> 00:42:57.159
who I am, right.

814
00:42:57.639 --> 00:42:58.559
I just felt so bad.

815
00:42:58.599 --> 00:43:01.199
I was like, honestly, I'm not apologizing to get anybody

816
00:43:01.239 --> 00:43:03.320
that's hating on it. I'm kind of just apologizing to

817
00:43:03.480 --> 00:43:05.559
like all these people that have supported me and I

818
00:43:05.639 --> 00:43:08.440
let down, because that's that's over the last five years,

819
00:43:08.440 --> 00:43:11.320
I feel like I've built a family across the world, man,

820
00:43:11.480 --> 00:43:14.320
just everywhere I know all these people and they've just

821
00:43:14.320 --> 00:43:16.920
supported me. And when you make a mistake like that

822
00:43:16.920 --> 00:43:20.079
that goes viral like that, you just like, yep, I

823
00:43:20.119 --> 00:43:22.679
got a man up. I gotta take accountability for my

824
00:43:22.760 --> 00:43:26.239
actions and nobody can be mad at the guy that's like, yeah,

825
00:43:26.280 --> 00:43:29.840
I messed up, like I messed up, and I'm gonna

826
00:43:29.880 --> 00:43:32.320
do better next time for sure. And that's also a

827
00:43:32.360 --> 00:43:34.440
thing too, is like my dad always telling me like, hey,

828
00:43:34.760 --> 00:43:37.039
you can apologize, but if you do it again, that

829
00:43:37.119 --> 00:43:39.760
apology doesn't matter at all because you didn't learn anything.

830
00:43:40.320 --> 00:43:43.320
So that's where I'm at now, is like since then, man,

831
00:43:43.360 --> 00:43:47.559
I've really been just like grinding, Like Okay, I'm like

832
00:43:47.559 --> 00:43:50.760
I said, I'm not drinking barely any that much anymore,

833
00:43:51.719 --> 00:43:55.079
especially not on like show days or whatever we've got going.

834
00:43:55.519 --> 00:43:59.320
But yeah, just like taking accountability and being like I

835
00:43:59.360 --> 00:44:01.519
will be next better next time, because there's not going

836
00:44:01.599 --> 00:44:03.760
to be this next time, Like, I'm not going to

837
00:44:03.840 --> 00:44:06.719
ever let this happen again because I value my career

838
00:44:06.760 --> 00:44:10.039
too much and I value the love of everybody's that's

839
00:44:10.039 --> 00:44:18.519
helped me build this career too much where it's like, okay, yeah.

840
00:44:16.039 --> 00:44:18.039
And like you said, we all make mistakes. It's all

841
00:44:18.039 --> 00:44:20.639
about accountability, and you did that, you know, and I

842
00:44:20.679 --> 00:44:24.199
think I think fans respected and appreciated.

843
00:44:23.519 --> 00:44:27.159
That, so hopefully right, I'm like, hey, that's all.

844
00:44:27.000 --> 00:44:30.000
I got, absolutely, and that's all you can do. So

845
00:44:30.280 --> 00:44:32.199
one of the things that I love about you is

846
00:44:32.239 --> 00:44:36.880
that you have done all these different collabs, one of which,

847
00:44:37.159 --> 00:44:40.719
you know, just hit number four on the Billboard Hot

848
00:44:40.719 --> 00:44:43.559
one hundred. You know, You've done stuff with Diplow, who

849
00:44:43.599 --> 00:44:48.079
I love, Jonas brother, Like, why has that been important

850
00:44:48.360 --> 00:44:48.800
to you?

851
00:44:49.719 --> 00:44:50.119
Oh?

852
00:44:50.239 --> 00:44:53.239
Man, I would I would say that it's not like

853
00:44:53.440 --> 00:44:57.440
always been like important, I guess to me. But at

854
00:44:57.480 --> 00:45:01.760
first I didn't do any collabs at all, and I

855
00:45:01.920 --> 00:45:04.920
kind of I there was one I did that I

856
00:45:05.039 --> 00:45:07.360
just I didn't really know the people at all I

857
00:45:07.360 --> 00:45:10.519
did it with, and it kind of like was just

858
00:45:10.559 --> 00:45:12.920
a weird thing and it was really cool and it

859
00:45:12.960 --> 00:45:16.039
was like, yeah, this is awesome, But I kind of

860
00:45:16.119 --> 00:45:18.679
realized I want to know who I'm collabing with, and

861
00:45:18.760 --> 00:45:20.199
like I want to know and that's what kind of

862
00:45:20.239 --> 00:45:23.840
sent me on like collabs. I was like, man, who

863
00:45:23.840 --> 00:45:26.159
could I reach out to? That's just like crazy, like

864
00:45:26.440 --> 00:45:26.960
who could I.

865
00:45:26.880 --> 00:45:28.920
Reach out to? And like see if they you know?

866
00:45:29.440 --> 00:45:34.079
And I think they just kind of randomly became a

867
00:45:34.119 --> 00:45:37.760
part of my music. Like I would say I didn't.

868
00:45:37.880 --> 00:45:40.079
I wasn't like I want a lot of collabs on

869
00:45:40.079 --> 00:45:42.119
this record. I want to do all this stuff. It

870
00:45:42.159 --> 00:45:45.800
was kind of like like the big ex collab. He

871
00:45:46.000 --> 00:45:47.800
just I was sitting in the same spot I'm sitting

872
00:45:47.880 --> 00:45:50.840
right now and he just texted me randomly and it

873
00:45:50.880 --> 00:45:52.920
was the song and he was like, hey, man, do

874
00:45:53.000 --> 00:45:53.639
you like this song?

875
00:45:53.679 --> 00:45:56.119
And I'm like, bro, I like this song.

876
00:45:56.239 --> 00:46:01.320
Dude's freaking fast, this sick so same thing with like

877
00:46:01.480 --> 00:46:03.519
Luke Combs, I remember.

878
00:46:03.719 --> 00:46:07.440
Which by the way, congratulations it is number one right now.

879
00:46:07.639 --> 00:46:08.760
Thanks so much dude.

880
00:46:08.880 --> 00:46:09.800
Thanks.

881
00:46:09.840 --> 00:46:13.719
Oh it's crazy even talking about this because I posted

882
00:46:13.719 --> 00:46:17.639
it on social media. But I took a selfie with

883
00:46:17.719 --> 00:46:21.559
Luke in October of twenty twenty four, and it's not

884
00:46:21.599 --> 00:46:23.519
even October twenty twenty five and we have.

885
00:46:24.039 --> 00:46:26.920
The number one song on radio. It's so crazy man.

886
00:46:26.960 --> 00:46:28.199
And same thing.

887
00:46:28.719 --> 00:46:33.360
I got this demo through text and it was backup

888
00:46:33.360 --> 00:46:40.679
plan acoustic from these Tucker Bether, Jimmy Bell and I.

889
00:46:40.599 --> 00:46:43.639
Think it's John Sherwood. I think it's Sherwood. I'm pretty sure.

890
00:46:44.320 --> 00:46:47.360
Anyways, they sent me a text Tucker Beller did and

891
00:46:47.400 --> 00:46:48.920
he was like, hey man, do you like this song?

892
00:46:49.119 --> 00:46:51.440
And I was like, dude, I freaking loved this song.

893
00:46:51.920 --> 00:46:52.880
And I remember listening.

894
00:46:53.239 --> 00:46:55.360
My producer Austin was there and he was like, hey man,

895
00:46:56.280 --> 00:46:57.960
this song's sick, and I'm like, dude, you know who

896
00:46:57.960 --> 00:47:02.079
would crush this? Luke Combs, Like truly, like this isn't like,

897
00:47:02.119 --> 00:47:03.320
oh I want to do a song with Luke comb.

898
00:47:03.360 --> 00:47:06.039
This is like Luke would crush this song. And he

899
00:47:06.119 --> 00:47:08.000
was like yeah, but we don't know Luke Combs. And

900
00:47:08.039 --> 00:47:10.559
I'm like, yeah, you're right, we don't, so so that

901
00:47:10.679 --> 00:47:12.559
I just like kind of you know whatever. I'm like, okay,

902
00:47:12.639 --> 00:47:15.559
I'm definitely putting that on my album. And then he

903
00:47:15.639 --> 00:47:18.800
invited me to do concert for Carolina and then we

904
00:47:18.880 --> 00:47:20.960
became like we just kind of started cutting up that

905
00:47:21.039 --> 00:47:24.119
day and it was just like, man, like I really

906
00:47:24.199 --> 00:47:26.360
like this dude, it seems like we're like really getting along.

907
00:47:26.440 --> 00:47:28.280
And at the end of the night he gave me

908
00:47:28.320 --> 00:47:32.280
his phone number and I was like, man, is this

909
00:47:32.480 --> 00:47:34.679
like is this like God telling me I should just

910
00:47:34.719 --> 00:47:35.920
shoot my shot right now?

911
00:47:35.960 --> 00:47:36.400
Like yeah.

912
00:47:36.840 --> 00:47:40.000
So I waited a little while because I was nervous.

913
00:47:40.000 --> 00:47:42.000
I'd wake up and I'd be like, oh, I don't know,

914
00:47:42.039 --> 00:47:44.920
I don't know. But then finally one morning I sent

915
00:47:44.960 --> 00:47:47.280
the text and I was like, basically like, dude, I've

916
00:47:47.320 --> 00:47:50.079
had this song forever. I don't know what you're doing,

917
00:47:50.119 --> 00:47:51.880
but man, I think you would crush it. I think

918
00:47:51.880 --> 00:47:54.639
the song smash. And he texted me back a month

919
00:47:54.719 --> 00:47:59.440
later and he was like, dude, I'm in let's do

920
00:47:59.519 --> 00:48:02.840
this song and then fast forwards. Now it's number one

921
00:48:02.840 --> 00:48:06.159
on country radio, so it's like, wow, it kind of

922
00:48:06.320 --> 00:48:08.760
just oh dude, it's it's literally mind blowing. I have

923
00:48:08.760 --> 00:48:11.280
no idea what's going on. I always just saying I

924
00:48:11.360 --> 00:48:14.400
just work here. I'm like, dude, I have no idea,

925
00:48:14.440 --> 00:48:15.360
what's happening right now?

926
00:48:15.559 --> 00:48:16.159
Same thing, dode.

927
00:48:16.199 --> 00:48:19.199
I got a song with the kid Larroy. Yeah, right,

928
00:48:19.960 --> 00:48:21.079
how does that even happen?

929
00:48:21.159 --> 00:48:21.320
Man?

930
00:48:21.480 --> 00:48:26.719
Like I've I've listened to kids since man almost since

931
00:48:26.719 --> 00:48:29.159
he started like singing and stuff when he was like

932
00:48:29.880 --> 00:48:33.320
fourteen fifteen years old. Like I remember watching him and

933
00:48:33.360 --> 00:48:35.840
being like, man, I love this kid. And then he

934
00:48:35.920 --> 00:48:37.599
went and went on to do like a song with

935
00:48:37.800 --> 00:48:39.639
Justin that Stay, you know Stay, and he had a

936
00:48:39.719 --> 00:48:42.719
massive hits himself, and I was just like already just

937
00:48:42.760 --> 00:48:47.920
a massive fan. And then his agent, Mike g hit

938
00:48:47.960 --> 00:48:50.119
me up and was like, hey, do you want to

939
00:48:50.159 --> 00:48:53.199
go to dinner with kid Larroy? And I'm like, oh

940
00:48:53.280 --> 00:48:56.440
my god, freaking heck, yeah I do. I'll go.

941
00:48:56.599 --> 00:48:57.159
Yeah.

942
00:48:57.280 --> 00:48:59.800
So then when he when we got to dinner, it

943
00:48:59.880 --> 00:49:01.840
was it's just the same thing. We just started cutting

944
00:49:01.920 --> 00:49:04.320
up and realized like man, we're we're one and the

945
00:49:04.360 --> 00:49:07.039
same here, like we were what almost the same person?

946
00:49:07.079 --> 00:49:07.719
This is crazy.

947
00:49:08.239 --> 00:49:11.280
And he actually asked me, he said, hey, man, do

948
00:49:11.360 --> 00:49:13.840
you wanna do you want to make music sometime? Like

949
00:49:13.920 --> 00:49:16.400
I really like just love your vibe and you know,

950
00:49:16.480 --> 00:49:18.400
we've having so much fun tonight, like we should make

951
00:49:18.480 --> 00:49:22.599
music sometimes, and I'm like yeah. So that night after dinner,

952
00:49:22.639 --> 00:49:24.199
he had a show and then he was like, man,

953
00:49:24.679 --> 00:49:27.239
you got to take me on Broadway and you got

954
00:49:27.239 --> 00:49:27.840
to take me out.

955
00:49:27.880 --> 00:49:29.000
And I was like, all right, let's go.

956
00:49:29.079 --> 00:49:30.639
So we ended up having a night, but on the

957
00:49:30.679 --> 00:49:33.599
way to the too, we actually went to Morgan's. On

958
00:49:33.639 --> 00:49:38.400
the way to Morgan's, he was like, man, you got

959
00:49:38.400 --> 00:49:40.480
any songs, And I'm like, dude, I actually wanted to

960
00:49:40.480 --> 00:49:42.920
play this earlier. It's it's a song that I feel

961
00:49:42.960 --> 00:49:44.920
like is sonically really close.

962
00:49:44.639 --> 00:49:45.960
To what me and you could do.

963
00:49:46.559 --> 00:49:49.199
It's going on my album, but check this vibe out,

964
00:49:49.239 --> 00:49:50.920
just check the vibe. It's like I'm like, maybe not

965
00:49:50.960 --> 00:49:53.760
the song, but what about the vibe. And after the

966
00:49:53.800 --> 00:49:57.920
song was done, it was lost. He was like, dude,

967
00:49:58.440 --> 00:50:03.079
I love just that song, like that is like a smash. Dude,

968
00:50:03.119 --> 00:50:06.320
like that's a that's a really big song. I'm like, dude, thanks,

969
00:50:06.360 --> 00:50:08.519
And he kept saying that all night. He's like, dude,

970
00:50:08.719 --> 00:50:11.920
play that song. Give Bailey Ox play that song. And

971
00:50:12.320 --> 00:50:14.760
so finally I just was like, dude, you just want

972
00:50:14.760 --> 00:50:16.159
to get on this thing, Like you just want to

973
00:50:16.159 --> 00:50:18.159
get on the song. And he was like, bro, I'd

974
00:50:18.159 --> 00:50:19.840
be honored to get on the song. So it's kind

975
00:50:19.880 --> 00:50:22.360
of like staying with Diplo. Diplo just showed up at

976
00:50:22.360 --> 00:50:23.079
my house one day.

977
00:50:24.400 --> 00:50:24.840
He just like.

978
00:50:26.840 --> 00:50:28.880
No, literally, he was like, hey, I'm on my way

979
00:50:28.880 --> 00:50:30.800
and I'm like, holy crap, Diplo's on the way.

980
00:50:30.639 --> 00:50:31.800
To the house. This is crazy.

981
00:50:32.159 --> 00:50:34.400
And uh he just sat right here in the same

982
00:50:34.519 --> 00:50:36.360
same position as we are sitting right now, and he

983
00:50:36.440 --> 00:50:39.000
played me ashes and he was like, dude, I got

984
00:50:39.000 --> 00:50:44.039
this song listen boom and I was like, dude, ah,

985
00:50:44.199 --> 00:50:46.519
I love this, I love I love I love like

986
00:50:46.840 --> 00:50:48.840
the story of it's pretty cool. It's not something I

987
00:50:49.000 --> 00:50:51.639
usually talk about, but I like that it's different. The

988
00:50:52.599 --> 00:50:55.800
production was just different. I was like, this is so cool.

989
00:50:55.800 --> 00:50:59.679
And so yeah, all these new collabs, they just happened

990
00:50:59.800 --> 00:51:01.760
like kind of buy coincidence.

991
00:51:01.800 --> 00:51:02.000
Man.

992
00:51:02.039 --> 00:51:03.360
I always that's what I've been saying.

993
00:51:03.400 --> 00:51:05.440
I'm like, dude, God is just taking care of me, man,

994
00:51:05.440 --> 00:51:08.000
because I've been meeting so many people that I'm so

995
00:51:08.159 --> 00:51:10.320
inspired by and have looked up to for a long time,

996
00:51:10.400 --> 00:51:12.440
and the fact that they want to do music with

997
00:51:12.519 --> 00:51:15.119
me is like, dude, crazy.

998
00:51:15.360 --> 00:51:18.039
And it's a testament to your talent and you as

999
00:51:18.079 --> 00:51:20.679
a person. You know, I really truly believe that I

1000
00:51:20.679 --> 00:51:23.079
would love you just selfishly. I would love to see

1001
00:51:23.119 --> 00:51:25.679
you do like a full on just your voice on,

1002
00:51:25.760 --> 00:51:28.239
like a dance song. I think will be so cool,

1003
00:51:28.280 --> 00:51:31.800
so left field. But I just I just just in

1004
00:51:31.840 --> 00:51:32.920
your head for the future.

1005
00:51:33.119 --> 00:51:36.199
Hey, I am not opposed to anything, you know. That's

1006
00:51:36.239 --> 00:51:38.840
what I've said since I started music, was like, I

1007
00:51:38.880 --> 00:51:42.800
grew up in country. I'm rooted in country. I like,

1008
00:51:42.960 --> 00:51:46.159
you know, I lived that life. But in the world,

1009
00:51:46.559 --> 00:51:48.239
I don't care what it is. If I love it,

1010
00:51:48.360 --> 00:51:52.679
I'm doing it. So I'm down there. Dz X dance

1011
00:51:53.199 --> 00:51:53.599
there you go.

1012
00:51:53.920 --> 00:51:56.960
Imagine I pop out with some like crazy dance and stuff.

1013
00:51:57.679 --> 00:51:58.719
That'd be so dope.

1014
00:51:59.000 --> 00:51:59.719
I'm mad at it.

1015
00:52:00.000 --> 00:52:00.840
I'm rooting for it.

1016
00:52:00.960 --> 00:52:02.519
I'm calling you though, I'm calling you.

1017
00:52:03.320 --> 00:52:06.639
I'll be hey, I'm there for you, all right, for

1018
00:52:06.639 --> 00:52:09.119
for for the album. You know, we've talked a lot

1019
00:52:09.159 --> 00:52:12.440
about the collabse and the single, how well it's done.

1020
00:52:12.519 --> 00:52:16.599
You're you're on the road right now and you are

1021
00:52:16.679 --> 00:52:19.360
such a showman. Where did that come from? Dude?

1022
00:52:19.400 --> 00:52:23.360
Thanks? I like, God, give it. I have no idea.

1023
00:52:23.719 --> 00:52:28.079
I I there's all these little things that people have said.

1024
00:52:28.079 --> 00:52:31.320
They're like, you run around so much like you're not.

1025
00:52:31.400 --> 00:52:33.920
You don't get nervous. I'm like, no, I get nervous standing.

1026
00:52:34.960 --> 00:52:37.039
So if I'm standing in a mic, I'm nervous.

1027
00:52:37.960 --> 00:52:39.920
But if I'm running around, I can't be that nervous

1028
00:52:39.920 --> 00:52:42.119
because my energy can't keep up, I guess, or the

1029
00:52:42.119 --> 00:52:44.639
nervousness can't keep up with like the energy. I don't know,

1030
00:52:45.320 --> 00:52:52.280
but I would say like ADHD helps me, So dude,

1031
00:52:52.400 --> 00:52:58.199
I would say ADHD. And then also Morgan Wallen because

1032
00:52:58.960 --> 00:53:02.920
getting getting to be on tour with Morgan so at first, okay,

1033
00:53:03.000 --> 00:53:07.199
so at first, when I started playing, it was like

1034
00:53:07.760 --> 00:53:11.000
I had watched YouTube videos of like my favorite band,

1035
00:53:11.000 --> 00:53:16.760
Tesla and Nickelback and all these just big artists watching

1036
00:53:16.800 --> 00:53:18.679
what they do and how they do it, and I

1037
00:53:18.719 --> 00:53:21.519
was like, okay, like okay, this is okay, this is

1038
00:53:21.599 --> 00:53:24.199
live music. Okay, I gotta like this is what I do.

1039
00:53:24.280 --> 00:53:28.280
And then I would say I kind of found my groove,

1040
00:53:29.199 --> 00:53:31.639
you know, in the two o'clock spot on a festival, right,

1041
00:53:31.800 --> 00:53:34.719
like get started finding my groove and finding what I

1042
00:53:34.760 --> 00:53:37.199
wanted to do. And then being on tour with Morgan

1043
00:53:37.320 --> 00:53:40.000
really opened my eyes to like I want to do that,

1044
00:53:40.159 --> 00:53:42.599
and I want to do that like that's sick and

1045
00:53:42.719 --> 00:53:44.280
that blow up thing is sick.

1046
00:53:44.400 --> 00:53:46.280
Like so I just learned a lot.

1047
00:53:46.360 --> 00:53:48.320
Being on tour with him for two years was just

1048
00:53:48.360 --> 00:53:53.039
like whoa very I learned a lot. So then when

1049
00:53:53.039 --> 00:53:55.039
I went to go do my tour, it was kind

1050
00:53:55.039 --> 00:53:57.360
of like, Okay, I want to do that, but I

1051
00:53:57.400 --> 00:53:58.679
want to do it my way, and I want to

1052
00:53:58.679 --> 00:54:00.239
do this, but I want to do it like this

1053
00:54:00.360 --> 00:54:04.280
instead of that. And like what I love, dude, creating

1054
00:54:04.280 --> 00:54:07.679
my live show, finding moments to make it more awesome

1055
00:54:07.679 --> 00:54:11.039
and impactful and just the that is so fun to me.

1056
00:54:11.239 --> 00:54:15.440
I have a blast creating that. So I would say

1057
00:54:15.480 --> 00:54:17.519
I'm like not to where I want to be, but like,

1058
00:54:17.800 --> 00:54:20.519
it's been so much fun learning like trying new dance

1059
00:54:20.559 --> 00:54:23.519
moves and trying what works and what doesn't. And yeah,

1060
00:54:23.559 --> 00:54:26.360
so it's been fun. But God given, dude, I have

1061
00:54:26.360 --> 00:54:28.039
no idea. I don't know how I'm here.

1062
00:54:30.880 --> 00:54:34.800
I I you know, I am bummed because I broke

1063
00:54:34.840 --> 00:54:38.960
my kneecap in February, so and I couldn't even get crush. Yeah,

1064
00:54:39.159 --> 00:54:41.480
I was trying to. I'm five seven and I was

1065
00:54:41.480 --> 00:54:43.920
wearing crocs and my best friend is six' four who

1066
00:54:44.119 --> 00:54:46.480
has been a basketball player all of his. LIFE i was,

1067
00:54:46.519 --> 00:54:47.800
like you THINK i could dunk and he was, like,

1068
00:54:47.840 --> 00:54:51.199
no absolutely. Not and then we had his son's fifth

1069
00:54:51.239 --> 00:54:53.920
birthday party at a like a sports complex and there

1070
00:54:53.920 --> 00:54:55.320
was an indoor court AND i was, like remember you

1071
00:54:55.320 --> 00:54:57.320
said a can? Dunk he was like, yeah And i'm,

1072
00:54:57.320 --> 00:55:00.800
like watch this. Man when, DIDN'T i was like feet

1073
00:55:00.840 --> 00:55:03.239
away from the hoop ten foot hoop went right down

1074
00:55:03.280 --> 00:55:06.440
on my kneecap on the. Hardwood couldn't drive for three.

1075
00:55:06.480 --> 00:55:10.880
Months it's been a. Mess BUT i missed training that

1076
00:55:11.079 --> 00:55:13.440
WILD i should, say LIKE i was like saving nuns

1077
00:55:13.480 --> 00:55:17.559
from a tiger attack or. Something but, yeah but, uh

1078
00:55:17.960 --> 00:55:21.599
BUT i missed your, show you, know BECAUSE i couldn't

1079
00:55:21.599 --> 00:55:24.360
go to any. Shows SO i need to know as

1080
00:55:24.400 --> 00:55:27.519
you're this kind of LEG i Hopefully leg one is

1081
00:55:27.599 --> 00:55:29.440
kind of winding. Down is there going to be A

1082
00:55:29.519 --> 00:55:30.960
leg two to support the?

1083
00:55:31.000 --> 00:55:35.440
ALBUM i THINK i think we're gonna have, hopefully we're

1084
00:55:35.480 --> 00:55:39.079
working on it right. Now But i'm hoping to have another.

1085
00:55:39.119 --> 00:55:43.679
Tour so, honestly, Bro i'm never quitting. Touring, Yeah i'm never.

1086
00:55:43.760 --> 00:55:45.840
Quitting this is like ALL i want to. DO i

1087
00:55:45.880 --> 00:55:48.760
just love touring so. Much so of course there's gonna

1088
00:55:48.800 --> 00:55:52.920
be another tour next, year and probably the year after

1089
00:55:52.960 --> 00:55:54.840
that and the year after, That god, willing of.

1090
00:55:54.880 --> 00:55:57.920
Course but uh, yeah oh, yeah.

1091
00:55:57.960 --> 00:56:00.360
AWESOME i can't wait to come see you for my

1092
00:56:00.519 --> 00:56:05.960
First bailey. SHOW i will be. THERE i can't wait.

1093
00:56:06.440 --> 00:56:11.559
Hopefully, honestly you know, WHAT i would say that your

1094
00:56:11.599 --> 00:56:16.000
injury has probably saved me all tour BECAUSE i swing

1095
00:56:16.039 --> 00:56:19.679
in on a rope. Swing SO i bet he was, Like,

1096
00:56:19.679 --> 00:56:21.840
Okay i'm gonna have him break his knees so he'll be.

1097
00:56:21.920 --> 00:56:25.840
Good you, know, Hey i'll take it for, you, Man

1098
00:56:25.880 --> 00:56:26.280
i'll take.

1099
00:56:26.320 --> 00:56:28.559
It so basically What i'm saying is thank.

1100
00:56:28.599 --> 00:56:31.880
YOU i got, YOU i got. You how's the?

1101
00:56:31.960 --> 00:56:32.199
Knee?

1102
00:56:32.199 --> 00:56:35.199
NOW i was on crutches for like five months and

1103
00:56:35.239 --> 00:56:37.719
a full full brace from like my hip to my.

1104
00:56:38.719 --> 00:56:42.079
Ankle Now i'm on Like i'm supposed to be using a,

1105
00:56:42.119 --> 00:56:45.440
cane But i'm kind of hard. Headed so NOW i

1106
00:56:45.480 --> 00:56:50.760
have like a, small you, know sleeve or. Whatever and

1107
00:56:50.800 --> 00:56:52.960
But i'm you, Know i'm an active. PERSON i normally

1108
00:56:53.000 --> 00:56:55.840
am traveling a lot for my show and all and

1109
00:56:55.880 --> 00:56:59.280
that all just, stopped which. Sucked SO i ended. Up

1110
00:56:59.280 --> 00:57:02.639
i'm a Huge heart movie, fan AND i ended up

1111
00:57:02.679 --> 00:57:04.760
writing this book BECAUSE i had three MONTHS i couldn't.

1112
00:57:04.800 --> 00:57:07.079
DRIVE i was relying on other, People SO i wrote

1113
00:57:07.119 --> 00:57:09.320
this book called thirty One days of, horror which is

1114
00:57:09.360 --> 00:57:12.679
like it's like a challenge for my listeners and. Viewers

1115
00:57:12.920 --> 00:57:16.480
each day In, October i've chosen a different horror movie

1116
00:57:16.519 --> 00:57:18.880
and there's like interactive elements and like behind the scenes,

1117
00:57:18.960 --> 00:57:22.119
stuff and SO i tried to do something productive BECAUSE

1118
00:57:22.119 --> 00:57:24.159
i feel like you AND i are similar in that

1119
00:57:24.199 --> 00:57:28.000
way that LIKE i can't be still and so you,

1120
00:57:28.039 --> 00:57:30.360
Know i'm kind of forced to be stuck in my

1121
00:57:30.480 --> 00:57:32.800
house And i'm, Like, okay what CAN i? Do what

1122
00:57:32.840 --> 00:57:34.760
CAN i do that's? Creative all, Right i'm gonna write a.

1123
00:57:34.760 --> 00:57:36.960
Book i'm gonna do. This i'm gonna do. That i'm

1124
00:57:37.000 --> 00:57:39.800
gonna to be, like, DUDE i broke my.

1125
00:57:39.880 --> 00:57:41.199
KNEE i Think i'm gonna write a. Book.

1126
00:57:41.400 --> 00:57:49.559
YEAH i was, like my house is the cleanest it's

1127
00:57:49.599 --> 00:57:52.320
ever been in my, life because you, KNOW i was

1128
00:57:52.360 --> 00:57:55.000
like using my crutches AND i would sit down on

1129
00:57:55.039 --> 00:57:57.079
the floor and then just like hand do. It i'm

1130
00:57:57.119 --> 00:58:00.719
LIKE i was after like the third or fourth, DAY

1131
00:58:00.760 --> 00:58:02.760
i had run out of things to, do you, know

1132
00:58:02.800 --> 00:58:05.079
And i'm, like what AM i gonna do? Now so

1133
00:58:05.119 --> 00:58:08.119
THEN i just started getting, creative you, know finding that.

1134
00:58:08.239 --> 00:58:11.960
Outlet so write a, book, yes, sir, yes, Sir.

1135
00:58:13.639 --> 00:58:15.519
Well, dude it seems like you're on the home stretch.

1136
00:58:15.559 --> 00:58:15.719
Then.

1137
00:58:15.800 --> 00:58:19.719
Cool, yeah, Yeah i'm getting. There i'm absolutely getting, There.

1138
00:58:20.039 --> 00:58:25.519
Bailey the album is, incredible the song again number one

1139
00:58:26.000 --> 00:58:30.599
another number one as we, speak and, uh and you

1140
00:58:30.639 --> 00:58:32.440
know you got what a couple of shows left right

1141
00:58:32.480 --> 00:58:33.239
on this this.

1142
00:58:33.280 --> 00:58:36.159
STORE i think we have one show.

1143
00:58:36.000 --> 00:58:40.199
Left one show, okay and they they'll be able to

1144
00:58:40.360 --> 00:58:43.119
follow you for tour dates for next year AND i

1145
00:58:43.199 --> 00:58:46.519
will be there. Myself. BRO i can't. WAIT i can't. Wait,

1146
00:58:46.559 --> 00:58:48.920
Bro please come on your come on whenever you. Want

1147
00:58:48.920 --> 00:58:51.639
but your next, album your next, project let's do it.

1148
00:58:51.719 --> 00:58:53.679
Up, yeah, Dude we've got a lot more to talk.

1149
00:58:53.719 --> 00:58:55.599
ABOUT i CAN i can feel. It i'm LIKE i

1150
00:58:55.679 --> 00:58:59.480
want to talk. More so, yeah absolutely Absolutely thanks for

1151
00:58:59.480 --> 00:59:00.880
having me on this, one. Dude this is so.

1152
00:59:00.960 --> 00:59:05.280
COOL i once again never thought i'd ever be Where i'm,

1153
00:59:05.320 --> 00:59:07.719
At so this is really cool getting to talk to

1154
00:59:07.760 --> 00:59:08.480
you and talk about.

1155
00:59:08.559 --> 00:59:08.679
That.

1156
00:59:08.800 --> 00:59:11.320
Thanks, oh thank you, Man thank you for being such

1157
00:59:11.360 --> 00:59:13.119
a great. Artist thank you for being such a great,

1158
00:59:13.159 --> 00:59:15.760
guy being open and. VULNERABLE i appreciate. It.

1159
00:59:15.800 --> 00:59:22.960
Bro oh yeah much love, Always bro and, lady it's.

1160
00:59:22.880 --> 00:59:26.599
My, Boy Bailly. ZIMMERMAN i love, that. Dude so. Much

1161
00:59:26.679 --> 00:59:31.719
he's just like a genuinely amazing soul and such a

1162
00:59:31.760 --> 00:59:34.360
talented guy AND i just love. HIM i can't say

1163
00:59:34.440 --> 00:59:38.239
enough good stuff about. Him All, right that's another episode

1164
00:59:38.320 --> 00:59:41.719
of Pop Culture. Weekly huge thanks To Michael, Chavez James,

1165
00:59:41.719 --> 00:59:45.280
Wan Patrick wilson via From, meiga and the Homie Bailey

1166
00:59:45.440 --> 00:59:49.199
zimmerman for joining. Me if you liked today's, episode please

1167
00:59:49.440 --> 00:59:53.079
hit that follow subscribe button so you never miss WHEN

1168
00:59:53.199 --> 00:59:56.679
i embarrass myself in front of. Celebrities and, hey leave

1169
00:59:56.719 --> 00:59:59.199
a review unless it's, bad in which case just write

1170
00:59:59.239 --> 01:00:02.119
it down in your. Diar. Sorry I'm kyle McMahon and

1171
01:00:02.239 --> 01:00:06.599
just like the, Conjuring i'll probably haunt your speakers. Again All,

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